Yanis Varoufakis & Slavoj Zizek | Festival INDIGO 2021

Official video Yanis Varoufakis & Slavoj Zizek | Indigo Festival 2021
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FESTIVAL INDIGO 2021
www.indigo.ooo
Cukrarna Gallery (Museum and Galleries of Ljubljana)
Poljanski nasip 40
Slovenia
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All rights reserved, 2021.
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Museum and Galleries of Ljubljana & Marsh Creative Production
Online event by
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Video by
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[@lucca2c]

This is the first time I see Slavoj so quiet and careful, amazing talk!

[@concernedcitizen1382]

He admires Varoufakis

[@nah8845]

I can't believe how quiet Zizek can be during this discussion. Truly, remarkable! Also, just amazing discussion. Love these two SO MUCH.

[@bozdra]

bro is the best philosopher of our generation and you're surprised he can listen to people lol

[@nah8845]

@@bozdra clearly you've not taken in a lot of Žižek 😆 he himself often remarks in many talks and interviews about how he cannot stay silent.

[@sayhellojordan2671]

@@nah8845 yeah I was just gonna say I’ve been into Zizek videos for years and this is the first time I’ve seen him this quiet and attentive. Refreshing to see.

[@dimitriosfromgreece4227]

Yes yes AMAZING 🙏❤️

[@hectorgarcia3675]

fake rebel, he sold Greece to Germany and FMI

[@BringYouDaPain]

It^s so weird watching Zizek just sitting and listening so eager without readying himself to jump in lol. And Varoufakis reminds me of Voldemort lmao

[@alexstrixner1156]

Funnily enough Zizek is also friends with Ralph Fines who played Voldemort.

[@concernedcitizen1382]

Fiennes@@alexstrixner1156

[@grigorismath3852]

And Varoufakis said here Fiennes was initially supposed to play him in the Gavras film

[@franciscoc1144]

Slavoj is an excellent interviewer,

[@kazkk2321]

Yanis would be a great friend.

[@concernedcitizen1382]

Ο Γιάνης Βαρουφάκης είναι πραγματικά ένας λαμπρός άνθρωπος και ήταν πάντα έτσι. ΔΕΝ είναι κυνικός. Ο Gid σώσε τον για πάντα. Ανθρώπινος διανοούμενος Δίας!

[@bardoface]

Fascinating inside glimpse provided by Yanis. He has a quiet nice voice as well.

[@stkouts]

First time seeing Zizek being so quiet.

[@bilallerouge]

Funniest thing on earth is to put automatic subtitles on slavoj zizek

[@trogloditoito]

No se puede!!

[@malaclypse4059]

Funny to see Slavoj to listening to someone without interrupting after a few seconds 😆

[@DRS659]

this is a buddy comedy waiting to happen

[@GabrielConstantinides]

I think the event hosts quickly letting Yanis and Slavoj start the conversation was salutary. Maybe appreciation and respect for authority if they provide us with stuff like this is vital for the 'good society'

[@GabrielConstantinides]

when I say 'good society', it is a reference to what I have heard Yanis say at least once I think

[@alulaish]

This is the product when beautiful minds are exposed!

[@terriblepeanuts9476]

Just a side note: 3:55 Yanis would make a WICKED Dr. X. :D

[@LukaXMan]

Luka Mesec at the end really killed the vibe of an excellent disccusion.

[@alecandermoraou1297]

Yanis is incredible

[@nickolasgaspar9660]

tell that to the Huns...occupants of modern Greece

[@JinnDante]

He is smart but he is a con artist unfortuantely

[@pascalg16]

​​@@JinnDanteThe Greek prime minister is also a conman, but less intelligent and less competent.

[@CelticKnight]

@@JinnDante You must be Greek.

[@andrew_eglinton]

@@JinnDante In what sense?

[@hellomrball]

Yanis - "use the technology against those who provide them to you" Thats pretty simple & you can do thst RIGHT NOW" - Like, share and leave a brief comment on this video & others with a similar message & let the algorithm spread Democracy 👍

[@fawnifyy]

As if this works. It will just be deleted if it creates any meaningful impact.

[@oedipamaas2067]

i also am a moron

[@ADogNamedElmo]

​@@fawnifyyfatalist

[@ne-fala]

" I have an ideological objection, to giving a shit " 17:34

[@manolispapadeas1870]

This is pure gold

[@nelsoncheetube]

Love the show thank you

[@angelomicallef3916]

Every country must have their own social media

[@fassek]

Thanks so much to cukrarna for this meeting of Yanis & Slavoj real, and then made it online 👍👌

[@MM-fl9sb]

Hvala za objavo!

[@Xestra37490]

🙏🏼

[@mariettestabel275]

What a Story....

[@rotbisaufdieknochen8719]

wow! intense

[@sogehtdasnicht]

Very interesting! Thank you very much!

[@cacurazi]

Enlightening discussion. Thanks

[@specialmoviestar]

That's a brilliant talk.

[@belava82]

Insanely good panel. Thank you for publishing it!

[@IzabelParis]

If everyone knew what is actually going on there would be so much blood in the streets.

[@santosturmio8189]

Word

[@edplunk600]

Blood in the streets comes from the anti social media like KZbin, the corporate news - TV, newspapers, radio and all online corporate own carp that Tell us who to hate and attack. Get off of it and stop being brainwashed.

[@Baczkowa78]

They know what is going on; there’s no time to do anything about it. Most people are busy surviving, while others are under the narcosis of some media.

[@sarumadaki]

@@Baczkowa78 exactly.

[@Facerip]

Everyone knows whats going on.

[@superguiller]

This video is amazing. Best thing I have seen online this year. Love these two guys.

[@AndrejPSkraba]

Thank you for publishing this talk! :) Hopefuly we will see more interesting talks in Cukrarna!

[@nicoletanour8568]

hahaha ker simp jaooo

[@martinbatagelj4274]

Odlična oba! Hvala za objavo! p.s. Drugič naj se izreže del s psevdosocialistom lukcem... ;)

[@happycanine]

Everyone should see and hear this discussion

[@laluna5548]

2 genija našeg vremena

[@AndreasAltermann]

Wow hier about Wolfgang Shäuble about one half hour in. I am stunned 2023

[@gv1lle]

What an absolutely amazing exchange!

[@xanathem7]

Beep boop

[@lostsoul2184]

This video should be saved at all costs

[@paspolc]

Please add subtitles. Thanks

[@siavashsafari3795]

I'm more enlightened than yesterday by this debate.

[@nickolasgaspar9660]

Yeap. People who watched this debate know far more than the citizens of Greece who this summer threw Yanis out of the Greek Parliament believing (due to Main stream media lies) that "He closed our banks". We get what we deserve .

[@janvusnic]

Wow

[@prasantadatta5151]

Unbelievable conversation, great minds - great results.

[@har8397]

2:06:20 sick burn

[@benjamineisenhofer8174]

Funny that I watch this on Black Friday when I just got calls for Make Amazon Pay.

[@GabrielConstantinides]

did Zizek play humble devil's advocate here?

[@tilhon]

Hell of an ending. A guy steps in front of the scen and says "Thank you and see you next time".

[@jennykielblock965]

😊😊😊

[@_victorhdezp]

SUBTITLES, PLEASE

[@LeoM7b5]

1:10:50 : Zizek y Suslov

[@mariettestabel275]

GREEKS-THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. 💫

[@nickolasgaspar9660]

only in comic books..... Don't forget that this summer the Greeks threw Yanis out from the Greek Parliament.

[@concernedcitizen1382]

NAY! VIVA HELLAS! Ο Γιάνης Βαρουφάκης είναι πραγματικά ένας λαμπρός άνθρωπος και ήταν πάντα έτσι. ΔΕΝ είναι κυνικός. Ο Gid σώσε τον για πάντα. Ανθρώπινος διανοούμενος Δίας!

[@mariettestabel275]

​@@nickolasgaspar9660 Yes because of his Brilliant Mind.... Very Brave Man

[@elAimar10]

Subtitles pls

[@gabrieldonl2311]

not so public use of reason when they disable the automatic subtitles

[@vivalaleta]

Slavoj Zizek and no CC?

[@user-nq8em3jo3n]

it looks like one of them sparing the detes

[@Rodrigoooous]

55 min ~~

[@mohamedaboelenein7727]

China is colonizing East Turkmenistan and Tibet though. Internal Colonization.

[@yoyozavesky]

Yanis is being way too much on the Chinese side in this talk. there is well verified research against some of his statements.PS: it's not just a business for China, it is strategic planning and steps to spread the control and influence. But please correct me if I'm wrong or if I misunderstood here. Thank you for sharing this though. (-:

[@riyanthonididi]

why the subtitle option doesn't work? :(

[@angelfernandez167]

Translation please!!!

[@kimiaowsia8484]

can somebody explain how you just "write down" 29 billion dollars of bonds? or write down/"expunge" any national debt? Aren't you liable in some way?

[@Hadoken.]

A bit late of a reply but I’ll tell you. Varoufakis himself explained that the agreements were in Greek law, not British law as the later ones were. As such they are subject to Greek rule and anyone trying to sue the government for the money owed would have to go though Greek courts... how do you think that would have gone? Then there is the other portion he explained a bit. If he wrote off the debt unilaterally Greece exits the Euro and prints its own money. The money owed was in Euro, Greece doesn’t have Euro so the creditors either take the D or they take the Drachmas you give them, either way they are kinda screwed. Then there are also other ways. The government can come in and say they don’t recognize the debt as signed by other governments because for example they had no right to sell the future labor of Greeks or future wealth etc etc. It’s been done before. Argentina told the IMF to piss off. The IMF left, Argentina didnt pay back a cent, nothing happened. Iceland, same thing. These jackals even do it themselves. Iraq or Afghanistan I can’t recall, owed a bunch of money. When the US entered 20 years ago, the debt was waved away magically and that’s it. Of course huge manufacturers were brought in to make roads and buildings in the middle of the desert that were never used but the people didn’t pay anything. The only reason to say there is accountability for fake money is if you believe the story of those printing it and selling it to you.

[@ink7761]

Those 29 billion were treasury bonds created under greek law. So yanis had 2 things. 1) Greek law says the finance minister can control the date those bonds mature, even after they've been issued. When he says "write down" he means pushing the maturation date (the day the government has to pay back the bonds) backwards by perhaps 50, 70, 100 years. 2) As they were held under greek law, any challenge to this date changing would be heard in a greek court, who would have ruled in his favour even if they didn't have this first power.

[@madaygaleanafigueroa5234]

Does someone remember the futurist movie they mention? it was a year, like 1984 or some other year... :S

[@genolopez6127]

'2049'

[@manuelstanimirov5741]

it is a festival of accents, however, great minds!

[@Armankey]

Great conversation! It's incredible how short-sided an intellectual & successful politician like Yanis Varoufakis can be when it comes to being opportunistic with the EU. He also completely ignores the ideological tie between Germans and their Greek "ancestors" who are nothing but burdens anymore. Can anyone else spot the danger in this short-sided interest? Like when he frames the innocence of the Chinese investment in Eastern Europe and Africa? I guess this is the unescapable politician trait we've created.

[@manchesterunited9576]

What short-sightedness are you referring to?

[@jimbob-robob]

That doesn't sound like anything that was said here...and "ideological ties and burdens to the Germans" with their "ancestor" Greeks!?? What utter fantastical rubbish!

[@fawnifyy]

He is just sharing his deficiency in spotting human bias. @@manchesterunited9576

[@banzara327]

Put subtitle

[@stinkmonger]

the only thing I really disagree with yanis on is that china isn't imperialist at all. I understand that their foreign economic policy is much more hands-off than the west, but what else would you call their treatment of the uyghurs but imperial? they are literally rounding them up if they show any signs of their culture and throwing then in cultural re-education camps or outright replacing them with han-chinese people. if that isn't imperialism, then imperialism doesn't exist.

[@CelticKnight]

It's not imperial if it's your own country. I'm not defending what China is doing to Uyghurs, but it's not semantically accurate to call it imperialism, when imperialism is the theory or attitude of maintaining or extending power over foreign nations, particularly through expansionism.

[@joshbaino3087]

Just because imperialism is often done with racist justification does not mean all racist policies are imperialist. Japanese-American internment in WW2 was not imperialist, for example, but racist. Maybe "imperious" is the word you mean.

[@vebdaklu]

Since the current trend of imperialism was set by the west (who colonized most of the world and have done little to reverse it), it doesn't seem fair to lump in the treatment of a minority group in such a large country with it. It deserves condemnation, but calling it imperialism is way too much. It's like calling a single rape case equivalent to genocide.

[@DadeMurphy666]

51:50

[@DadeMurphy666]

Apple has $210B of savings!

[@veravivi03]

getting used to his English, even enjoy it lol

[@lenberry6721]

Bookmark 43:28

[@NobuhikuObayashi]

9:58

[@NobuhikuObayashi]

12:46

[@elshazlio]

Please enable auto-generated English captions.

[@bernatsanroma4037]

Yanis look quite like Beckett.

[@QubitVector]

Jesus christ what are we gonna do

[@igorfilipovic6531]

Nobody knows. Even the govermenents or Jeff Bezos, curently is status qwo, till something explodes

[@QubitVector]

@@igorfilipovic6531 let’s go

[@griffinsdad9820]

Interesting, depressing, and in aome ways outright scary in the everyday "matter of factness"

[@Updater1.0]

To the point that all we do on social media is create the perfect image for our future employer, isn't this rather natural and basically the same as it always was? Humans always cater to the ideals and expectations of the powerful, for only they can guarantee a desirable place in the hierarchy.

[@simonschreyer4559]

39:39

[@WojtekSwieca]

after a moment, clearly describing what Deleuze wrote about in Postscript on the Societies of Control. Nice one.

[@angelomicallef3916]

Now the opposite is happening to Europe with the people from Africa

[@thanostriantaf]

Εξαιρετικά ενδιαφέρων διάλογος.

[@concernedcitizen1382]

Άντε Γιάννη πήγαινε!!! Είσαι τόσο απίστευτα έξυπνος!

[@paolomontesel]

He lost me at 5G. Telecommunications infrastructure is a strategic asset and Huawei is pretty much the Chinese government. I don't want the network infra of my Country (nevermind smart cameras and that stuff) to be controlled by the Chinese.

[@nickolasgaspar9660]

but you are ok to be controlled by the American lobby. Its all about who you identify as us and them. Both will use them for their own gain.

[@paolomontesel]

@@nickolasgaspar9660 you can take your straw man back 🥰

[@simulacrum.ad.nauseam]

Of course you don't want that! But, what you want is to be controlled and to be unaware of it. Pure enjoyment.

[@SL18085]

The Chinese is not about control. It's business! So compete and not play dirty.

[@paolomontesel]

@@SL18085 haha yeah sure

[@AncientRylanor69]

eo

[@cidercik]

China builds infrastructure in Africa like the english did in India. It's infrastructure that serves chinese business. They aren't there building schools or paying teachers. China is leaching Africa dry, and going to leave the Africans with having to deal with serious climate change and no natural resources to mitigate them. BTW, I also don't think a cold war with china is the answer either. As far as the Eu protecting you from your own govt: just ask someone in the UK. If Janis thinks the EU is mostly evil, there is much, much worse out there.

[@trotro80]

Just yesterday, i observed a road construction site in Ghana. Lead workers were Chinese, all other construction workers (including skilled machinery operators) where locals. It hurt my soul, that i don't see European or US citizens there doing business and by thus transferring knowledge to Ghanaians!

[@gelinrefira]

They are building schools and hospitals and infrastructure that actually will uplift a coubtry economically and socially, you brainwashed dimwit.

[@Natsukashii-Records]

In other news water is wet. Of course when a foreign country helps you they have vested interest.

[@gelinrefira]

@@Natsukashii-Records Yes, they are buying influence but they are not exploiting the Africans. Only capitalist psychopaths naturally gravitate to such a sociopathic mentality. It has been shown numerous times that China's BRI is far more developing and equitable than western schemes from IMF. You people are just projecting your own evil intentions onto others.

[@jimbob-robob]

Awesome people, and look at the pathetic lickspittles we have fronting our politics instead. As he said, they wouldn't be allowed to be there if they did and said anything like we heard here...

[@Lastrevio]

1:31:00 on antisemitism

[@booniesblues7310]

What intellectual is he talking about from china? Van Koining?

[@yawnathanlin7080]

Wang Huning

[@booniesblues7310]

@@yawnathanlin7080 Thank you!

[@joshbaino3087]

German immigrant Van Koining who is serving in the internal chamber of the Chinese communist politburo

[@Life_Of_Mine_]

Slavoj zizek is God himself... I worship you Mr. Slavoj... you are everything to me... you are my true father... your books are my religion...

[@concernedcitizen1382]

Yannis is as smart

[@edwardlitrenta5730]

Zizek needs to lay off the tootski.

[@kavorka8855]

Two ideological marxists comforting each other 😂

[@lyomon9981]

China is basically like North Korea but a bit better

[@hazelwray4184]

Don't be ridiculous.

[@lyomon9981]

@@hazelwray4184 they even deport people back to n korea lmao.. your the one being ridiculous

[@citadelo5ricks]

Interesting stuff from Yanis...end of capitalism...feudal capitalism...no stock trading...until the ideology kicks in..."China not an empire", Are you joking? Comparing European slavery from >150 years ago to current Chinese activity in Africa, really? China building infra in Africa for "better trade deals in the future"...sure. All of these ridiculous statements completely discounted the earlier part of what was an excellent conversaton.

[@gelinrefira]

For such a smart man, Yanis actually believe the lies about HK, Xinjiang and Tibet.

[@har8397]

I like yanis, but he's too smart to be this blind about China, which tells me he's in ccps pocket... which is sad

[@exocet8834]

Thank god Varoufakis' party failed.

[@frfras7]

Why

[@mariettestabel275]

Maybe you can read his Book " Adults in the Room " Eye opener. 🌍

[@gamer-jw3ui]

can you or any of the 4 people that liked this comment tell me why?

[@exocet8834]

@@gamer-jw3ui Well I guess because they realize that he's deeply totalitarian in his views and intentions. Plus the fact that he was already in charge but failed miserably. But I know, that wasnt real Socialism, right? 🤣🤡🤡

[@gamer-jw3ui]

@@exocet8834 well then what do you think about the european union?

[@tomasdesouza2847]

sounds like a bad chineses spy but ok.....

[@ekesandras1481]

If you want to stop being a debt colony you have to produce/export more and import/consume less ... not some financial tricks and power games behind closed doors.

[@silotx]

The problem is that in order to do that you need investments and a healthy economy but when you have to pay a huge debt you don't have much breathing room and your economy suffers. Of course you also need to avoid corrupt politicians who pocket the money of the investments, don't care about justice being served , having healthy competition in the private sector, having a healthy pubic sector, investing in your people so they can be productive, hunt down the local mafias instead of joining them etc . But poor uneducated people who are desperate tend to eat the propaganda of those politicians so it's an endless cycle , someone could help break that cycle if they actually cared and had a real role to play like the EU.

[@LevisH21]

​@@silotx the problem is with the people that trust political parties. I would rather trust a single independent politician that isn't part of any political party and only cares about his/her constituents at the local level. and key here is also giving people more power at the local level instead of large federal government and establishment to take care of something. I believe that people that pay taxes at the local level should only be invested in the same local region. what some of the taxes people pay to the government of course should go for national defense(military) or for a national construction project like a railway system or roads. again, abolish political parties. trust your politicians at the local level only. and if they aren't good, replace them.

[@Shitgotmegeekin]

That’s extremely naive

[@TalwinderDhillonTravels]

Great philosopher for tech illiterates. Idk much about his EU and Greek economy expertise but he’s kind of out of his depth when talking about tech, china, etc.

[@korpen2858]

How so?

[@concernedcitizen1382]

Εξαιρετικά ενδιαφέρων διάλογος.

[@susannereichert1635]

Whats a pity, I could not follow the discussion after the misogynistic comment of Mr. Zizek, that masochism is a feminine characteristic.

[@jimbob-robob]

If you think of it in terms of what women have to put up with from men, even just to keep the peace sometimes, then it appears masochistic in order that relationships with men can function at all. It is probably more self loathing misandrist if anything. You can now go back and watch the rest. It was worth it and Zizek didn't contribute much more...👍

[@gamer-jw3ui]

?

[@ctscan2801]

You are fried

[@justLeito]

Discusting jokes about gulags... These are public intellectuals 👏 Flirting with Marx and making jokes out of almost direct outcome of Marx ideas 💡 Something is horribly wrong here.

[@bongwater_]

five years gulag for you

[@justLeito]

@@bongwater_ With that kind of people you will get 5 years as well.

[@vebdaklu]

Making jokes about concept of prison: disguisting Making rape jokes about prison: hillarious Beibg serious about black people and immigrants being more violent and deserving prison (and rape inside): serious political discussion Making women not have access to basic medical care: Law. The above sums up the western hypocrisy quite nicely.

[@MarkHoover-dv7mf]

A failed economist and a failed ideological "philosopher". I lose brain cells listening to bad ideas like these

[@vebdaklu]

In what way are they failed, exactly? They have a huge global audience. Doesn't sound like failing.

[@MarkHoover-dv7mf]

@vebdaklu his ideas are of central global planning. How well do you think ANY central planning has gone? Why doesn't he actually pose real concrete plans, ever? Just a bunch of fantasy babble.

[@HappySlapperKid]

Zizek should just write letters and books. No one wants to hear or see him in public.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Imagine how many people WANT to read your moronic comments, and yet here you are.

[@brnpeter6]

are you CIA?

[@TheCappucine]

Many people do actually! I.wonder why you say that? If you disagree with him thats ok, not necessary to say he shouldn't speak

[@wll6777]

Well I do, you know who I really don’t want to see? People like you

[@totalmentezsana1187]

Add subtitles plz