YBA's Ultimate Cheese Stand! (Stand Review)

[@diamondscar5818]

My friend plays hierophant regularly with an FPS unlocker, his pilot moves faster than time acceleration. The amount of accusations of hacking is absurd, I’m glad you’re bringing this info to light, no one believes us when we say it’s frame rate based. Should hopefully get fixed anyway though.

[@Lilies151]

Why tho

[@dizluanimated1170]

@@Lilies151 why not, I guess.

[@jasonchen9982]

@@Lilies151 you’re willing to play with a measly 60 frames when you can go higher?

[@prze4214]

its not fps booster its fps unlocker

[@randomsaltacountimback3044]

Some person:How many fps do you want Me: YES

[@halalibrahim1801]

get the yellow hieorophant green skin so you can use ACTUAL cheese

[@Spacebaryonyx]

I saw the thumbnail and thought that was the joke before reading this comment even

[@george-zv2dn]

i have yellow and purple B)

[@El_sepuIturero]

Heirophant piss

[@Jpdavett]

@@El_sepuIturero heirophant piss

[@Melarkie]

@@Jpdavett hierophant piss

[@Therat921]

As a HG vamp main for the last 5 months can confirm that almost 60% of my matches end with someone saying “trash” “bs” and some form of “go kys” before they log

[@kettothespymain8955]

I used Spin HG and it was absolute BS since HG easily gets around blocking

[@clownlicensegiver1313]

What bs means

[@Vyxar1717]

@@clownlicensegiver1313 bullshit

[@vivelespatat2670]

@@kkensaa Till you realise HG has his own pocket timestop that can be used twice in a row.

[@xadok]

this is so true, i use very obscure stands with vampire (hg, white album, GE, cream, PH etc.) and people consistently do that to me too, it's sad and they are just making a fool out of themself, instead of just insulting me they should figure out how to counter my stand

[@Caragoner]

I appreciate that they made emerald splash unlockable because "No one can deflect the Emerald Splash"

[@gsvijaykumar5085]

lol

[@That_One_Fool]

What about white album

[@crazyfriend50]

Unblockable*

[@EughProductionsTM]

But star platinum blocked emerald splash

[@FreakyfellaMm2]

NANI!

[@mist2961]

I know you're curious, thanks for doing the review but i'm not quite done yet. After two months of using Hierophant + Vampire, this stuff never gets old. And yes, it's a little predictable to skilled players, so be every so slightly on guard. HOWEVER, that being said, there are very few who have beaten this, even less than my 6P + Vampire cheese, which was (and still is) ridiculous. Anyways, for your next build or bust, why not keep the hierophant train rolling? Next BOB: Hierophant Green + Vampirism. You won't regret it.

[@Meri637]

he only ever does build or busts from the last build or bust vid's most liked comment

[@miss.floppa1637]

You need to comment this on his lastest build or bust, although, the next build or bust has probably been already chosen

[@talenspear3028]

@@miss.floppa1637 yeah im pretty sure its the world vamp

[@ilikecheese4692]

I have used every type of hg

[@ilikecheese4692]

Boxing berige is the best move for hg

[@CyberYGO1]

I’m happy that you could do a stand review on the stand you use in tournaments 😌

[@Leg785]

"you fish for one move and if you land it your opponent takes all their health" i though this was a hg review, not a the hand review.I thought he already did that one.

[@spellbound8253]

I've seen a few HG's in 1v1s already, and indeed if you get caught in the barrier ur a goner. You MUST NOT GET BARRIERED, you have to bait it out then just wait. For me, I main vamp, so space ripper stingy eyes is an excellent tool, as its a ranged, basically unavoidable ragdoll, so if they hide in the barrier they get kablooie'd. (one HG player complained about me running because i basically wasnt entering the barrier, rip) I want to add that the triggers for the barrier to stun and shoot you ARE the ACTUAL green lines you see, so its possible to jump and maneuver out of the barrier like the classic security lazers trope

[@MiregoThe100th]

Or you know, just use love train or scr. When I played hg, most of the time my counters were reflect stands rather then counters. The barrier also stuns the user with the reflect so they can just combo off of your OWN barrier. Don't know why this wasn't mentioned but reflect stands seriously counter hg to the point its impossible to fight an scr with it if they spam yos. The best you can do is attempt a marionette control but that's essentially all your options with fighting an scr or lt.

[@ScarlettSkycat]

ultimate counter to your thing, hg vamp, gg i main that XD

[@glacialblast2588]

@@MiregoThe100th is it a good idea to use yos then cw immediately after?

[@bigdaddy7798]

I made an eldritch hg complain about kc hamon cheese it was fun

[@MiregoThe100th]

@Pearl Maguma most of the time I find them using it way more often like hence when I put up a barrier or use emerald splash to try start a combo. Yos lasts for a really long time and has a pretty spammable cool down especially if they max yos out. I tend to be under pressure from scr since they can just do over 50% of my hp with like no effort thanks to conq will. Even a bad scr could just yos into the barrier or a splash and get a combo off of that using your projectiles to add onto the damage. Again its still impossible to put pressure on the scr if they have a passive playstyle since spec moves dont do anything.

[@egaming1071]

as a old HG main, I am glad it is fixed and it being my favorite stand in Jojo, I'd say they did him justice

[@DarkMatter987]

Now ppl talk Hg is broken with box or vamp

[@arthurisagoat]

hell yeah, it was my first stand im glad they did it right

[@tgfuture]

im a old HG main too, its quite fun to use and its my favorite stand in Jojo too

[@DarkMatter987]

@@arthurisagoat u already figth a Hg with vamp?

[@sketchz2967]

Joe Kujoe: *Ho, a new challenger?* Eclipse and C-moon: Awh shit, here we go again.

[@fishman5597]

r/didntask moment

[@hodgepodgejim]

Sometimes I’m tired of fighting

[@moyairockstone]

c moon?

[@sketchz2967]

@@fishman5597 haha so funny :|

[@fishman5597]

@@sketchz2967 didnt say i was funny but ok

[@rayyanrahman8115]

Tip: Eclipse I’m not sure if you know this already but you can block love trains damage reflecting on you if you hold block and damage reflects it will show that you blocked the damage

[@thehimagedidntfitinmypfp6562]

i remember when the marionette control has a lower cooldown

[@bluechezzwithsocks9117]

It still has an inf combo

[@jotarosans7540]

Next Bob: HG vamp It absolutely melts the opponent's hp Any stun you do makes room for life drain, and since HG can stun like there's no tomorrow, you are never going to die

[@Henry-dn2xb]

I remember before hg got super long barrier cooldown and when there was a square when you did vaporisation There was this one guy with hg vamp and he did a combo with atleast 5 barriers and there was life drain into barrier and vaporisation into barrier and marionette control into barrier and it did nearly my whole health and he couldve kept extending it

[@vivelespatat2670]

@@Henry-dn2xb HFTF Kakyoin be like

[@toes.6311]

Most hierophant green players get very close up when they do emerald splash for the most damage, so you can try to use any uncancellable ragdoll moves (except for platinum slam, it doesn't hit pilot stands). It's pretty hard to do if you're slow though, but it is still a way to counter the barrier into pilot emerald splash.

[@Patrick-wc8lt]

That one hg that can pb u: Also u: :////

[@Master_vp101]

15:55 rare footage of Eclipse not hating on road roller

[@astonker2314]

Road roller never stop su...

[@sewerwater7388]

0:16 this is an off topic comment but goddamn that dude went flying lol

[@TheAlmightyGream]

He even paused before went flying

[@pleasedontbedumbincomments6192]

He got punched like in an actual anime

[@waffle4478]

here's a tip to eclipse and anyone else who might not know this, but im pretty sure the boxing gloves m1 is the same a HG m1 dmg so you should just keep the boxing gloves on but don't listen to me I might be wrong I have not played in months

[@TheNerd4565]

Youre right

[@Meri637]

It’s better to use hg m1s, they have more range

[@OneTheNumber1]

@@Meri637 boxing gloves m1s are faster, but yeah youre right

[@bootafly4493]

You know it’s cheese when it kills a D4C:LT Hamon

[@Duckshark]

Emerald barried: i have no weakness but time skips and counters! Aereal ace: well hello there!

[@speedial223]

Not funny, didn't laugh!

[@Am0ri]

😩

[@pang5948]

I mean above all te can also get out

[@Duckshark]

@@Am0ri 😳

[@priyaarun5626]

@@speedial223 who asked if u laughed or not

[@jerryma9779]

I used to main hierophent green and I’ll tell you this much : if u land marionette, u can jaw breaker then eye gouge, so you can follow up with a barrage

[@HooeyMagooes]

I personally feel like Hierophant Green is kinda like the "Ness" of this game. Pretty good, but painfully obnoxious.

[@vivelespatat2670]

PK Fire Emerald Splash I see a pattern here

[@doge9455]

No no that is def 6p aero or hp

[@gimme_eliter4k720]

I used to have hierophant black boxing on my alt while trying to get the heart for mih and it was broken and so fun, unfortunately I had to roka but it was still awesome to use

[@VoxelsOfficial]

I have an interesting idea for a vid: Hide somewhere in the castle where diavolo is and get scr and put it on the bridge then say in chat there is new scr boss on bridge then wait for ppl to come then kill them pretending to be a bot then when u kill them press z to remove your stand to seem like it tp back to spawn (I did this once and it was very funny)

[@schizophrenic1735]

as a HG pluck main I can confirm that instant slash into marionette is actually true and guarantee you a 68% win

[@hoggersow5992]

The pilot being tied to frame rate makes so much sense I thought I was going crazy when I saw a super fast hg pilot

[@AliceTheBestWaifu]

I recommend using boxing gloves m1s when u hit marionette control since they are faster, while still deal same dmg. It does not apply to usual combat since the hitbox is not that long as stand m1s, but once again, when u hit mc it is better since enemy basically moves towards you, right into it It is a small thing that will save a little bit of even smaller thing but still deserve to be told about

[@kastoridesbobur]

Untill you get hamon, it's really good combo

[@ilyes3300]

most cheesy stand is mrpresident vamp if it hit u with kidnap u dead no matter what u do exept some exeption like te stand or d4c, also instead of alot of ppl think its not a glitch at all 100% legit true combo no pbable tested on awakned sptw

[@nicksixty559]

The reason for the emerald barrier projectiles being tied to FPS is because the FPS of your game can, from what I’ve seen, screw with your hitbox. That would mean if someone playing on like 5 FPS walks into an emerald barrier, it most definitely will have trouble shooting the emerald projectiles due to their hitbox being completely out of place due to it being delayed.

[@cliveowensia]

Tip when fighting an hg if they do pilot emerald splash and barrier at their user you can use certain moves like kcr scythe and vamp eye beams to cancel emerald splash and if they pose on barrier to heal pressure them with a bunch of projectiles and if they get you in a barrier and ur time skip is on cooldown barraging first isnt a bad option as hg does like no dmg with its barrage and sure they are going to jaw breaker right after but taking that 29 dmg is alot better than taking 80+ from their barrier combo and even if they land the marrionette control while u try to barrage first odds are you are probably still negating dmg from taking a jaw breaker into a hg combo and their barrage does no dmg so in the end you are winning those barrage trades and stands with a 2nd barrage such as tw, sp and sptw kick barrages also work for stalling out their barrier if you get caught in it without time skip available

[@potato1725]

HG spin is a really good build. you should try it some day

[@CatalystC2]

It used to dominate when spin didnt get nerfed

[@IamPepe1234SMGOAT]

spin got nerfed to dust

[@LeftCaptain]

what's the point, spin does no damage, shit defence passive, the stun, which is basically non existent doesn't matter, since you have zero projectiles that profit from the stun, emerald splash isn't true from spin balls, just use emerald splash outright, Boxing and vampire are the elite for hierophant green, and at that point standless is better, since you can upgrade better things, it is GAAAARBAGE, the spin balls in emerald barrier only do 15 damage, and jaw breaker does 34, Over double that amount, it has good defence passives, it has a long stun, and does big damage, there's no point Of Spin Hierophant green, and even if you wanted him to see this, you'd have to go to the latest build or bust, but you cant, since it's already been picked.

[@zephyr2561]

5:58 That was the best joke I have ever hear in my entire life

[@Meri637]

420 views, this is hilarious i am laughing so hard the comedic value in this number is through the roof i am doubling over with pure hysterical laughter im suffocating because i cant stop laughing u am convulsing on the ground because i cannot stop laughing this is absolutely hilarious

[@iamgreenlol6496]

Marionette control: *I fear no one,but that thing,it scares me* Mobile players: *continues to walk out of marionette control*

[@gbbgbla]

**laughs in mobile**

[@vihaanshah9398]

Laughs in very high quality ipad

[@siiashr]

now do purple haze, its seriously underrated imo

[@khalifrhodes9503]

I forgot that was even in the game lol

[@BruhDot]

Going against purple haze SUCKS even if you have a good stand, watching your health drop by the second is very obnoxious, plus if you get hit by a bulb your stand unsummons

[@toes.6311]

Purple Haze is so fucking annoying to fight against, your stand crashes every time you get hit by a bulb, and poison doesn't allow you to pose during it. (to prevent people from posing in the zone of SBR)

[@SoulBro12]

I tried every spec for Purple Haze and I gotta say either Boxing or Vamp are really busted on it. The bleed and burn stacking plus the fact that your poison cloud punch STILL activates even if you block or are ragdoll makes this absurd, I don't recommend Pluck imo because you're very fragile but you can do some crazy stuff on the cloud instead of barraging

[@kkumarkkumar3184]

@@toes.6311 Block their bulbs and if they are not in rage take them in poision

[@GabrielFelipe-yx6wy]

"crac head" the best eclipse line

[@indra2740]

You always post videos that make sense people that decline you are like whaaa you post videos and they make sence you earn my repect

[@izory4289]

Sleep? What? No, Eclipse just uploaded.

[@asiangamerchairs]

Fun fact: HG’s literal worst matchup is GER If the HG decides to emerald splash? The GER can just rtz out and spam lifeforms. And since they’re projectiles, you don’t have to be near them to hit lifeforms, it’s free damage! It makes their camp in barrier and pilot emerald splash the most useless strategy, like trying to throw out timestop against a neutral GER.

[@ethanlawrence6864]

yo we should do breaking 2v2's with either TWOH TA4 or double HG. like imagine not tanking one emerald splash, but two. poj

[@MiregoThe100th]

Double hg is a bad idea since the barrier affects the team mate as well. Plus you can't even combo with your team mate, its a horrible idea.

[@bah-fv2ec]

flashback to when sbr was filled with the hg emerald splash hack

[@Beelover9000]

heres a tip, if you fight hg in main game and get hit by marionette control u can do /e sit and u wont be moved

[@xeler8360]

"cheesiest stands in the game" D4C LT/Za Hando: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@destroidhak2556]

As a SM main i proudly announce im immune to HG cheese. Emerald splash is same as vola barrage, just use jump while they're on the windup and/or head charge Let my minion deal with the barrier and/or jump if needed And my stand is on after jaw breaker (thanks, passives) so they can't do the barrage in the combos and finnaly head charge is a total save from combos (you know, usual head charge stuff). And also i should mention that thanks to hamon, i have a lead of .2 damage per attack and more speed on barrage then the HG so if i wanted i could barrage first (but i wouldn't since that'd be mean and also too aggressive. If you play way too aggressive, you can get a rest from your agression in hell). Another day of thanking God for SM existing only as my stand, and for his awesome no stand knockout feature

[@thegiftlucas4480]

I've been playing a lot of 2v2s and when there is a hierophant green on their side, I know I'm screwed, especially when their ally is a ts stand (which tend to have high destructive power.) when they get comboed, the other instantly cancels it out with m1s or a ts, if the ts stand gets comboed, well then we get emerald splashed into a very, very long combo.

[@OneTheNumber1]

Im a hierophant green man, and i dont regret becoming one. It is so much fun You should also buy boxing barrage , even if you dont upgrade it you can do massive dmg while using marionette control

[@swolzer]

upgraded sunlight yellow overdrive hehehe

[@mrpizsa9023]

Finally someone’s using my main stand in a video

[@chocolatechip2641]

Oh cool u actually main hierophant green. I also have the shiny. I'm glad someone went over this stand for once

[@TimelostGamer]

How did you have time to upload this whilst streaming bf6 all day

[@Meri637]

because he records his videos a couple days before uploading them, hence him getting candy from wins in the background footage

[@TimelostGamer]

@@Meri637 I mean yah... that’s obvious. The joke was that he was streaming bf6 all day took a small break, then started streaming again. Idk if he’s even still streaming now.

[@Meri637]

@@TimelostGamer joke? that wasn’t a joke, also i didn’t even know he was streaming bf6 today

[@thehek4915]

I've been waiting for this video for a long time, keep on it!

[@chocolatey99]

I personally think that the marionette control balances out the other weaknesses it has, however this is still outrageous

[@BuggyDYonko-nk2gl]

Well, I guess all the Hierophant Green skins I got from the free lucky arrow code is usable now...

[@catz1720]

4:07 the first thug to mess eclipse up

[@AyuKasioy_]

Eclipse: "You try to fish for one more for the entire game and if you land it, your opponents takes almost all their health" Me: "That sounds like another stand" *Six Pistol noises*

[@Joe-ym5xg]

No One Can Deflect The Emerald Splash

[@pang5948]

Yea, literally

[@colourman2126]

But in anime star platinum can

[@Zanais]

@@colourman2126 Nobody can deflect the emerald splash.

[@splobby]

but in anime dio can

[@spina7729]

@@splobby Nobody can deflect the emerald splash.

[@coldcutz9504]

some BoB: TWAU + Pluck GER + Vamp 6P + Spin SF + Pluck Aerosmith + Vamp BB + Spin HP + Vamp i enjoy your content hope your channel continues to grow :)

[@duck7835]

Is it ironic that I got a cheez it ad for a review with a cheese stand?

[@PanicAttack445]

How to beat HG… just use TWAU lol, you can spam them with projectiles while they’re in the barrier, you can do the time-skip-heavy-punch thing, your M1s hurt decently hard, and you can use rage to beat them up harder.

[@idkidk6779]

5:46 thx for explaining why i move slower than a snail while using pilot

[@fishloqut]

The guy that was threatening to unsub because Eclipse wasn't willing to win trade in the background, I bet Eclipse is so scared he just lost one out of his 167k+ subscribers.

[@AAAAAAAAAAA704]

True that guy was pathetic 🤣

[@kamilslup7743]

Man, i hate fighting hierophant green because you can barely retaliate, and when you can, it turns out that no one can deflect the emerald splash. :(

[@literally_fran]

Dude I hope you’re having a great time with your videos. I’m a fan and you’re awesome! Keep going!

[@samcho9191]

6:03 ah yes, sonic the hedgehog put in the same sentence as a crack addict after a binge.

[@doge9455]

Emerald splash shouldnt be unblockable because only everyone either dodged or blocked it so why is it neither in yba

[@chillnye1011]

What's you guys' favorite cheese?

[@honzaka4roblox842]

Busted hg boxing combo: t, m1's, v, m1's, c, walk to them (t is still active), use z, spec barrage into the barrier, let them get hit by the barrier, and redo the first combo

[@honzaka4roblox842]

when i used this on spec less he got one shotted lmao

[@benjijoman]

yo i just found out that you can pilot chariot requiem infinitely, meaning if you go out of an npc's range, they just dont care about the black god stand attacking them. the only problem is it doesn't have a yellow skin

[@JJKSHEN]

OKAYYYYY can you try to do SC Pluck I think it’s pretty good on how I use it you should try it👍

[@revcorvinn1638]

They should give it a grapple for that vertical mobility, and a grab(like vine trap 2) to stop runners

[@mohammedsaif5722]

dude i am a huge fan of super smash bothers ultimate and i loved the bg music. over all fair video.

[@vergil2]

in these 2 years of playing yba, i never thought i would stoop so low as to play an absurdly broken overpowered stand... I WAS WRONG

[@vivelespatat2670]

@@kkensaa people after using a name with CEO in it for the 918183884828th time thinking they are funny.

[@user-pe2xj5dr9r]

Eclipse vampire is indeed better! I used to be a hp vamp main and you can even beat twoh. Combo start from space ripper and emerald splash on when they get up its free damage, marionette control into vaporisation freeze is absolutely busted so you can just go behind ur opponent and use barrier and bloodsuck into marionette control again and so many more combos

[@spooky1800]

YOOOOO that first guy was me!!!! I know I was ass but half of it was bc I was so shocked and confused if that was really the legend himself

[@limo4586]

First time KZbin actually notifies me about videos before it’s posted on the discord

[@Zeptycle]

A counterplay I learned when I fought a hg, just keep getting into a combo of it and see how he does, counter what he tries to combo you with and get him, sometimes when you can't get close or your stand doesn't have a projectile, get combo'd by it and wait for him to be agro against you, he'll get closer to get you instead of using the pilot. Probably?

[@versenh.1982]

emerald barrier actually does have a trigger limit, each individual string can only trigger once also quick tip for HG vamp, emerald barrier strings will trigger on ragdolled players so lifedrain into emerald barrier is a guaranteed confirm into it (you can't even timeskip out because it applies the stun while the enemy is ragdolled)

[@thunderspark1536]

So why do you keep getting hit if you stand in one spot?

[@Erti555]

I just started playing hierophant green boxing today and its absolutely op and i literally see no one playing hierophant with a build i just meet them trolling or stuff. Hierophant green is balanced because any attacks of its moveset are cancellable and it does low damage, making it harder to play it. Emerald Barrier is also a really good move to counter ts stands

[@Kuwustilam]

heres a 100 - 0 combo (works on boxing) control > jawbreak > 3 m1's > eye gouge > box barrage > jaw breaker > dash towards enemy and use barrier > control > jawbreak > 3 m1's > eye gouge > box barrage > jaw breaker > emerald splash its true as long as dashes dont mess up and your fast enough

[@swolzer]

Fun fact: if you use marionette and sunlight yellow overdrive then syo is long enough to make marionette cooldown go down

[@notmaaster8362]

haha i got eldritch green and idk if i should roka it or not (i mostly roka if it's not towards my playstyle), you posted the video 8 minutes before i searched "eclipse hierophiant green stand review"

[@leongmingzhe8424]

When you said cheese and I didn't look at the Thumbnail I thought it was the 2030 scr review

[@TheTrueCacti]

Emerald barrier, aka the 20 meter Emerald splash. Countered by time stop. Nice touch.

[@moss7675]

yellow hierophant, the stand embodiment of cheese.

[@RocRailfan]

Is there a way to appeal bans on the sever? I tried copy pasting a quote and I for got to click copy… so instead it posted my discord link and I got instantly Banned.

[@Darklegend51520]

The hierophant green in the thumbnail is literal cheese

[@wedoalilaccident7489]

Eclipse: *says about marionette control isn't working* Uzu: ight i'll fix it! Me in my mind: **What if eclipse said where is spec storage?**

[@Ed4n]

Gotta wait 10 years for Uzu to hear it

[@phoenics2437]

He did lol

[@kingcrimson3601]

That first D4C:LT has just about as many braincells as the number of people who use hierophant green

''fish for marionete control'' Time to get an arrow and beach boi

[@ethanhostetler4007]

...To be fair, Heirophant's whole thing was basically just emerald shotgun in the anime. If that didn't land, he was fucked. Pretty accurate NGL...

[@Uranatis]

u forgot that vamp can freeze people which means u can get like a 10 second stun or longer.. First User marionette control and in the last second use freeze and again at the last second use emerald barrier this means marionette control paired with emerald barrier and freeze can stun u longer than 10 seconds probably 16 seconds which is enough to insta kill

[@timergaemer3255]

Oh my lord i got this on my recommended today, and good god, is it cheese

[@ItsFeNox23]

When you realize there can only be 9 more stand review videos eclipse can make now unless yba makes a new stand

[@epjullz]

Heirophant green boxing was a good choice. Basically a stun master if used correctly

[@lokidavy2615]

ayy i got here really fast xd keep it up

[@mr.waterbottle1265]

Me when eclipse doesn’t mention how the emerald splash is undefelctable: *mild frustration*

[@_starrybun]

im gonna get hierophant green for the sole purpose of the "20-METER RADIUS EMERALD SPLASH!"

[@RomanGamerYT0]

It'd be funny if you used unshiny HG and greenscreened in an image of Cheese.

[@derrickchang301]

FINALLY WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

[@RYTwasTaken]

1:52 you can hear a slight whistle from eclipse

[@joehoe948]

eclipse you should address that there's a certain range gently weeps to deflect the emerald splash cuz if your a little far from gently weeps it doesn't effect you but deals damage to gently weeps user

[@Q75]

Doesnt gently weeps slow the opponent or does it deflect aswell

[@joehoe948]

@@Q75 it deflects but it also slows u down to like c moon level

[@knifulaifu]

lol the dude on the last match

[@tehnoobleader7673]

Imo HG needs a visual rework, similar to MR