YCS London 2019 - Round5 -Raphael Neven vs. Jesse Kotton

[@elijahbuscho7715]

Jesse realized he had no chance of winning the last duel, so he tried to sneak a win in time. He utopia doubled at the last minute giving himself a huge life advantage. Then, at 46:28 you can see Jesse hide the material under the Utopia, hoping Raphael would mess up his last turn (of which he had a minute and a half) and send the Jackalope with dingirsu. It definitely tripped me up on Raph's last turn looking at Jesse's field and seeing the Utopia without materials. Also the attempted serenade dance play. Not being phased by that is a huge reason why Raphael deserved this win. Incredible execution on the last turn under immense time pressure. Raph is not one to be cheesed.

[@shadow3oni]

Wow i didnt see that, such dirty plays....

[@coffeedudeable]

@@shadow3oni i disagree. Did everything that was stated happen? Yes. Does that make it dirty? No. Xyz are supposed to have their materials under them thats in the rule book as being vertical so they are fully covered. Traps usually work doing your opponents turn its weird that this lunalight one doesnt. Like they are legitimate things i think anyone should and could do in a game. People are adding intent amd motivation to the play where we domt actually know

[@elijahbuscho7715]

@@coffeedudeable I agree. It's not necessarily dirty. The serenade play is definitely understandable, easy mistake. The Utopia play appeared more deliberate to me. Like a subtle way to mask game knowledge like laying your hand stacked on the table so it looks like you only have 1 card in hand, but of course that's just speculation.

[@coffeedudeable]

@@elijahbuscho7715 i guess my point with the utopia play is even if the perpose of the maneuver was to hide the material we cant call it dirty because thats litterally the rules of the game. Its not cheating. But im someone who finds table talk to be fair play so that's just my humble opinion

[@elijahbuscho7715]

@@coffeedudeable it's definitely fair. I also like table talk. Maybe it isn't dirty, but it's definitely something. Cheesy maybe. I also think this differs from table talk. There are three types of cheese I'd like to compare: 1. Just talking and joking and tripping your opponent up by distracting them 2. Representing your hand as weak while secretly holding three engages 3. The Utopia play 1. is the least cheesy, there is no misrepresentation of the game state whatsoever. 2. is a bit more cheesy, because you are slightly misrepresenting the game state, but, strength of a hand isn't quantifiable, and a hand is also private knowledge. Finally, 3. Is the most cheesy. Here, subtle concealment of the game state is occuring. A player can easily verify the materials of Utopia by moving it, like Raphael does, but this public knowledge isn't immediately apparent by looking at the field. This is apparently legal under the rulebook, but it's pretty darn cheesy.

[@MadWasp01]

Duel starts at 6:07

[@savstradamus3996]

thnx bud, i owe u a hug

[@maxicruz246]

Thank You.

[@rodrigofernandez6917]

Jesse trying to pull that one with serenade luckily rapharl knows how to read

[@megakirbyx]

He's also played a ton of Lunalight himself

[@Trillkage]

@@megakirbyx he created the deck

[@ktbmk]

Naven is a God for that game 1 and that end game gizmek

[@11guitarbro]

That was crazyyyyyyy S/O both these players but raf played like a beast

[@four-en-tee]

No idea why this was in my recommended

[@wualaboy1257]

I saw this due for the 3 time now lol it was one of the best one

[@facuarrelocoestoy]

This is my favorite duel in the history.

[@RomeF27]

This is like watching kamal vs Michael top tier duelist forsure

[@emildokle261]

Sick Game

[@uriyoffe718]

how did raphael have cymbel in game 3? first hand he didnt have it and then he's specials it with brass

[@ulqi]

He did have it and didnt have 2 brass, just wrong overlay

[@elvismelo6878]

Show of the Neven..

[@WesleyParksTTV]

Special INDEED !

[@zhyml2073]

At 36:28 Judge write extra foolish burial loool

[@dylanhurst4950]

The previous commentator for Europe YCS was better. Screw whoever just forced him out.

[@coffeedudeable]

Yeah im really not a fan of this interviewer. He seems like he doesnt know what his role is. Basically asks yes or no questions lol. Actually at the end of this match was the best i had seen of him all tournament

[@dylanhurst4950]

coffeedudeable honestly I’ve just skipped his parts cause what little I’ve seen of him is him asking dumb questions.

[@Supre3m3Kai]

Ya'll arent going to be satisfied until Lunalight gets hit.

[@swagondisdick]

Tiger needs a ban

[@pewwwwooop]

No borrelload? At the first duel ?

[@gebretsunt]

Where can the decklists be found??

[@jokuvaan5175]

I think Lithium2300 has been making deck profile videos for this tourney. Idk if he has interviewed these guys though

[@blizzeh1541]

INSANE

[@diegocn5]

How do i play that fast on one minute like he did without having a seizure, i suffer anxiety so i cant accelerate myself without having panic, how i can play that fast on time

[@CallMeNevermore]

Play a combo deck on your own and set a timer.

[@diegocn5]

@@CallMeNevermore yeah ill try, because i was thinking on playing something slower like true draco or altergeist.

[@tx6723]

@@championinthemaking9780 just because it's illogical doesn't mean it's simple to overcome I feel this reply is being a good amount unempathetic not neccearily to the original poster but to people with anxiety in general there are different forms of anxiety also it's not always as simple as when someone else says 'its illogical so overcome it'. depending on the situation immeidiantly being prejudice and distancing yourself isnt always the 'right thing to do but hey it's people's lives so if they want to presume then they can by all means do that

[@gollyzila]

Can someone do a play-by-play of Raphael's last turn? I'm not exactly sure how he was able to OTK.

[@jyds5715]

World wand banish to summon harp, link into Galatea, harp horror banish to summon cymbal, send three for borrelsword, banish cymbal to get out dingirsu, dingirsu effect send utopia, knightmare effect to send gizmek, summon gizmek, attack jackalope woth gizmek, attack with ding=-2600, attack with borrelsword=-3000, borrelsword eff target gizmek, borrelsword attack=-3000. And that’s the whole game

[@DarkStunn]

How Jesse get Kaledo chick out from deck at 28:41 ?

[@brotherasain2634]

I'm certain he used serenade dances gy effect as you see him discard another kaleido chick

[@maxicruz246]

Tremenda partida.

[@mitchellmayhaus1430]

Why didn’t neven cyclone the tenki?

[@etiennebonin2181]

If Jesse already has the tiger, you've wasted your cyclone. Plus you'd prefer the tigers banished for the grind

[@eduardosantillan3048]

So happy Neven won, not a fan of Kotton tbh

[@JADGERBOMBS]

When your blind dwellering you know the core of your game is fucked up.

[@VORTEX___]

3 years later: When you are blind scythe locking you know the core of your game is fucked up

[@apologizethatyouwerebornin2616]

Im confused, what happened to the uthopia double?

[@DanBrown4114]

They didn't show lp change, but it attacked Galatea which only would have done 7600 damage.

[@apologizethatyouwerebornin2616]

@@DanBrown4114 galatea has 1800. It wouldve been game. It mustve been some other link.

[@aaronaaronson8312]

@@apologizethatyouwerebornin2616 Utopia Double attacked into Longirsu

[@LamNguyen-lq1kc]

Utopia attacked Longirsu after had his ATK doubled, that made 6500 LP

[@apologizethatyouwerebornin2616]

@@LamNguyen-lq1kc ok make sense now. Thanks

[@LESTIFISA]

Not surprised this lunalight kid trying to cheat again

[@coffeedudeable]

Lol hes not 'this lunalight kid' its only his second event with the deck. His opponent has actually played the deck much more and would be much more fitting of the title of 'lunalight kid' since he was the one to popularize the archtype and the first to win a large event with it

[@CallMeNevermore]

@@coffeedudeable The guy you're replying to is Jack Li, a Canadian player. He has beef with a lot of players at his locals, so it's only fitting he trash talks Jesse.

[@coffeedudeable]

@@CallMeNevermore lol does jesse play at his locals? Im actually from canada myself (moved to florida about 4 years ago) but i used to run with the ottawa and toronto crowd back in the day. Funny to hear of a Canadian bashing one of our own. I tend to praise any canadian who can do well in the points race since there are so few event in Canada and we have to compete with all the Americans for the same nats.

[@CallMeNevermore]

@@coffeedudeable They're all from Toronto or around that area. Jack, Gabe, Sam, Jesse, you name them and they're most likely from there and go to locals together.

[@coffeedudeable]

@@CallMeNevermore fair enough. Toronto has the biggest yugioh scene in Canada. I just asked cause its a big city so it's possible they can all play there without ever seeing eachother unless they try to meet up

[@Supre3m3Kai]

Whoever is speaking on Blackwings needs to stop speaking on Blackwings.

[@jyds5715]

How long has Konami been doing these streams? The viewing experience is so trash, constant cards in hand mistakes, players put cards out of the frame, and commentating doesn’t make up for it.

[@fabiorego9507]

If raphael didnt rush him, Jesse would have won this match for sure.. well played to both tho

[@tausifulislam987]

how did he rush Jesse? I must've missed it. Jesse was under Lancea so he was limited to what he can do

[@joepiazza3756]

Imperm and double Cosmic Cyclone is deadly vs Lunalight Orcust without Mermaid.

[@elijahbuscho7715]

How would he have won? in time you mean?

[@fabiorego9507]

FULLY FUNCTIONING SAVAGE regardless of anything you say, you dont matter and i dont have to comment. You telling me jesse could have not thought about what xyz tp summon for 20 more secs, what cards to search for 20 more seconds, and wasted the 1 minute that raphael had .. i bet it would have happened had it not been on stream or vs neven.. fact

[@michaelcemhalicioglu3209]

Pff, not against either of theduelists, but Raphael really played the time game, which is annoying. Playing slowly on the last 10 mins, then 3 mins to go forcing opponent to play fast and playing fast himself. He may be good, but thats just a low way to win

[@elijahbuscho7715]

You don't know what you are talking about. Jesse put up no interruptions on the last turn, and just dealt a ton of damage to hopefully win in time. If anyone was playing the time game it was Jesse. Raphael executed lethal damage even facing the tight time constraint of a minute and a half. If he had played faster earlier it would have ended in the same result minus the rush for himself. Both players played respectably.

[@elijahbuscho7715]

Another thing, at 46:28 you can see Jesse hide the material under the Utopia, hoping Raphael would mess up and send the Jackalope with dingirsu. Not being phased by that is another reason why Raphael deserved this win

[@michaelcemhalicioglu3209]

Personally Id say you dont know what you are talking about. As I said, I am not defending either player, but it seems like Jesse is playing at the same pace, while Raphael between 12 to 4 mins to time is playing relatively slow, checking his graveyard after resolving everything etc etc, but forcing his opponent to play quickly. Played against him at the 2018 wcq and it was a similar situation. But hey, everyone has an opinion, so whatever

[@elijahbuscho7715]

@@michaelcemhalicioglu3209 playing slow and checking your grave is advisable, especially when you have a lot of options. He doesn't want to make a mistake, because rushed play leads to errors. He only plays faster when he needs to. I guess you can call that playing for time, but I guess I define playing for time as trying to get the clock to run out when you are ahead in life. Raphael won the game before time ran out. I just think it's ridiculous to call that a "low" way to win. What was he supposed to do? Play his last turn slow and let Jesse win in time? Getting rushed when you are playing isn't fun, but I think losing a game you'd otherwise win due to time is worse.