13 Years of F1 Evolution In One Corner 2010-2022

[@yelistener]

Ricciardo's "dirty" defense in Austria: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nauVq6J_rL53iKc

[@Bluz1]

2020 cars were absolute monsters, they beat the lap record on every track they raced that year. The Mercedes was a work of art, the car went in whatever direction Hamilton and Bottas turned in without issues, no snaps and barely any corrections were needed. It was like on rails.

[@norkritt5035]

as Hamilton said.

[@thanos8948]

except ferrari

[@kabirsharma2858]

didnt beat the track record in spain or abu dhabi

[@INFEDnoX]

@@kabirsharma2858 Track conditions were worse in Spain and they turned their engines down in Abu Dhabi. On the whole the 2020 cars were faster.

[@CJMattias]

Also arguably illegal and gave Lewis yet another free WDC, thanks FIA! 😃

[@brisjoh9944]

Insane speed in 2010, the RB6 was a monster.

[@BansheeRiderNL]

Agreed. Double diffusor. And the lightest car front the list. Marvelous car of Newey.

[@alsa4real]

@@BansheeRiderNL double diffuser was in 2011

[@EathanH34]

@@alsa4real No, double diffuser was 2009 and 2010. 2011 was the blown diffuser

[@bosshunterman]

@@EathanH34 The RB6 actually had both.

[@alsa4real]

@@EathanH34 my bad. But I believe the double diffuser was only in 2009 & blown diffuser was only in 2011.

[@vamositalia4600]

Man the editing is simply amazing, great job:). I'm curious to know if in 2012 Hamilton carried more speed than Maldonado in his deleted pole lap time.

[@A-BYTE94]

surely yes

[@raceterbeek]

I did some frame by frame inspecting between these two laps and Hamilton was almost 5 km/h faster on average through that corner.

[@vicTTRS]

Redbull RB6 downforce monster, 7 years, wide body and tires, and turbocharged engines needed to beat some records. Wow, impressive

[@Bahamuttiamat]

yes but im willing to argue it was the bridgestones...

[@u2zero2u]

@@Bahamuttiamat I think it was the blown diffuser , not the Bridgestone tires that made the 2010 RB fast in medium/high speed corners.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@@u2zero2u Don't disagree but the blown diffusor was more robust in 2011. Grip was reduced across the board. Everyone complained of chocolate pirelli's. Tires are the single biggest factor in performance.

[@blenzo8344]

@@Bahamuttiamat both of you guys are missing the crucial fact it also has a double diffusor. The same ones Brawns used in 2009.

[@demoleoder9926]

@@blenzo8344 wasnt it banned in 2009 season's 2nd half because as much as i remember Brawn was pretty much destroying everyone on track and after Double Diffusor got banned they got pretty much bad and almost lost championship to RB

[@bosshunterman]

Russell's minimum speed on his final Q3 lap was 252 km/h WHILE being the fastest on the straights aswell, most of his losses came in the slow corners, that to me suggests that the Merc now has superb, efficient downforce, but weight and mechanical balance might again be a problem for them with the reinforced (presumably much heavier) floor...

[@baddoer]

They spend all budget cap on fixing proposing and will struggle for the rest of the year

[@mrwn6284]

@@baddoer no they haven’t

[@kermittoad]

​@@baddoer that's not how budget cap works, mercedes might be one of the team that spend the least amount, didn't bring any track specific wings or upgrades for the races before miami while other teams did, only place they brought any upgrades are in miami which still nothing other than track specific wings for less drag, this is the first time they got a proper upgrade, still brought them to fix porpoising, now they understand the car and it's time for performance upgrades.

[@idontexist1681]

High speed corner performance goes hand in hand with straight line performance. In modern F1, you need to have performance in medium speed turns, and merc lacks that

[@bosshunterman]

@@idontexist1681 The fact that even the fastest driver (Russell) had to lift there proves that T9 was still grip, not power or drag-limited with these cars. And like I said before, almost all of his losses came in the slow corners (exit of T5 and the slow turns of the final sector), his speed in the "medium speed" bends was fine, not quiet fastest but only very marginally behind.

[@yelistener]

Not just speed evolution, but also onboard sound evolution (Post-2017 Exhaust Mic). 2018 telemetry from Juzh123 this is his channel: kzbin.info/door/7Y_irPekwM4FEJi7IQqXLg

[@cryptoguru2224]

Red Bull 2010 was well over 260kmh during the whole corner(I have onboards from dark, rainy session where it´s possible to check FOM´s graph with real speeds on the steering wheel) and Webber even missed the apex by a big margin and still ran less wide than the others on the exit. No car came close to that car before the new tarmac of 2018. None of the 2019, 2020 Mercedes could touch the 2010 Red Bull here. On the same old tarmac and doing the line Webber did, the 2019/2020 Mercedes could not carry the same speed, likely.

[@yelistener]

@@cryptoguru2224 260km/h is absolutely not possible. Speedo shows RB6 top speed before T7 was one bar higher than T9 top speed. 2013 Rosberg's top speed before T7 was 259 and that was done with using 1s of kers. RB6' top speed before T7 would absolutely be lower than that, and thus T9 speed would absolutely be nowhere near 260. Not to mention that 2013 Mercedes engine vs the weak-ass Renault 2010 engine. My guess for RB6 T9 was 250-255, and I simply used the high end. My bet is 2019-2020 Mercedes would've easily taken T9 flat with or without the new tarmac, simply because they got too much downforce. Remember Silverstone's terrible 2018 resurfacing? It was so terrible, track was so bumpy (they had to do the resurfacing in 2019 again), yet they still easily took Copse flat in 2018, but in slow corners it was another story. In high speed corners like Copse or Campsa, downforce is just high enough.

[@adriendebosse6941]

@@yelistener Spa's raidillon was a good measurement of downforce and mostly pilot's balls 20ish years before. I remember at that time Schumacher was one of the few who took it flat out at about 300km/h, because it was that scary. Several years later, everyone took it flat out, at first because the engines weren't as powerful, but later because the grip was better.

[@LethalTunedHNP2846]

I’m pretty sure the RB6 was actually closer to 240kmh through the corner. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you count those bars on the speedo you can basically count by 10’s and it’s accurate. The speed showed 2 bars above 220 so I would say closer to 245 instead of 255

[@LethalTunedHNP2846]

And if you go look at the 11 years of Australia video, you can see that if you shift into 6th at redline then you’ll be at 252-253 ish, but in this video when you look at the lights he only went until the red, not the blue, so the lower shift rpm would make sense that he was closer to 245.

[@JarrylKhan]

That W11 sure was something else

[@Dzaen2]

Fastest f1 car ever made, and easiest to drive as well.

[@edm4124]

@@Dzaen2 “easy to drive” is relative, could you drive it easily? prolly not

[@Dzaen2]

@@edm4124 Relative to the rest of the f1 cars of course

[@edm4124]

@@Dzaen2 i would say the fw15c is the easiest, considering it had abs, tc, auto shift, active suspension, and push to pass

[@amint7107]

@@edm4124 Agreed. When Williams put a cvt transmission in the FW15, it was on the verge of becoming the absolute easiest F1 car to operate. Unfortunately, the FIA decided to outlaw cvt before Williams had an opportunity to deploy it.

[@dogcat9920]

Dude the rb6 was really a monster. Took 7 yrs to break apex speed

[@Shadowed007]

Double diffuser

[@bosshunterman]

@@Shadowed007 Weighing just a feather over 600 kg with driver and being much shorter than today's cars helped too...

[@Dany_Fox1]

Also different tyres... 2010 were Bridgestones

[@naufalkusumah2192]

@@Shadowed007 no, double diffuser was banned in 2010

[@therrealsteeevo]

@@Shadowed007 *Blown Diffusor

[@BroqHans]

Taking a corner at 265+ km/h and braking just short of the 50 metre marker at 300+. To a MotoGP fan that looks like something out of a video game with cheat-mode engaged.

[@mattsuper1366]

Indeed

[@randomdude8877]

Interesting how the evolution of the cars was. 2010 was apparently super fast but man those cars were small and lively in comparrison to the tanks they drive today. Cool stuff

[@watermelonbanana1772]

Yes they were very light too. One of the trade offs with going with the wider cars increases downforce but also increases weight

[@Bahamuttiamat]

tires...

[@nevercommitsuicide]

yep smaller, lighter cars just work better, idk why the FIA doesnt realize this.

[@A-BYTE94]

620KGs in 2010

[@AnEagle]

@@nevercommitsuicide because larger cars kill less

[@2secondslater]

The early cars were so much better sounding, also the amount of energy to control the car made it so exciting to watch the drivers wrestle the wheel.

[@chichochicc]

ok, this just became the best F1 channel in youtube. Thanks for putting this videos out!

[@rockvettel7497]

2010 is a Monster and 2020 is a legend

[@koko400gt]

AHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@amint7107]

@@koko400gt haha?

[@Mr.Rickroll]

No ,2010 is legend,2020 monster

[@gregorylobo509]

2022 apex speed was similar to 2017, when the regs previously changed. That means we should start seeing lap records in about 2-3 years by the newer cars

[@TheFormidableForce]

but 2017 was much higher than 2016.. i dont think we will see the same ridiculous speeds in these new cars sadly. Maybe when the new engines come in 26 who knows.

[@porhaltavaneppe]

@@TheFormidableForce more I would bet on the fact that the cars will be lighter and supposedly have active aero.

[@s.kardatos]

2017 wasn't resurfaced though and considering that 2017 and 2018 were pretty close on lap times I believe the speed difference between 2022 and 2017 is just purely the track surface

[@frusciante7293]

Compare the difference 2013-2014 and 2021-2022 the year rules changed.

[@isaacsanchez7317]

@@porhaltavaneppe still gotta see the engines and fuel they'll run on, but active aero is definitely a huge step

[@MrLegaroth]

Red Bull and their RB6 monster... and the sound was better than what we have today too! Good job with this video.

[@wojtekpawowski8913]

Amazing job, I love your analysis!

[@alessandrotomo5086]

it's still glorious to watch the rb6 go through any fast corner flat out after 12 years

[@dimitrijensk2845]

When people doubt that F1 has the most documented history of any sport, ever, this is one of many videos to show them. This is data on just a single turn, which I’m sure goes back even more years!

[@fast2ghl]

well I mean F1TV has every grand prix dating back to 1970 available in the archives currently so whenever Catalunya became a calendar track I'm sure they have data and footage of that turn across many many more years :)

[@Blight225]

There’s probably documentation about what Fangio had for breakfast before the 1950 British Grand Prix

[@toddc2788]

I never noticed porpoising in years previous to 2022 until this video!! Thank you yelistener

[@Edittname]

Such an underrated video, well done!

[@professorbalap]

your content is different. idk what, but it make me more comfortable to watch it and immediately subscribe you, while i never subscribe any other content of f1 except the official one

[@nestic765]

I love how the camera quality and smoothness just instantly changes between 2017 and 2018

[@DoggedJoe]

And then a downgrade in 2022 for some reason

[@A-BYTE94]

@@DoggedJoe becasue it is not offcial f1 chanell so vid quiality is worse

[@Shadowed007]

And in two years time they will be taking it flat out again

[@Nicks62999]

Please do this with every circuit's most iconic corners. Like doing this with the Monaco swimming pool section next week. Please this is so great to see

[@PizzaFaceGuy]

Fax

[@gtghost5929]

Or copse at silverstone too or Pouhon at spa

[@frigginshewt2824]

i'll upvote this one

[@IsMaski]

@@gtghost5929 I can never forget Pouhon in 2020 when Lewis took it flat out without lifting. The W11 was truly insane

[@LewisHamiltonMSPR]

@@IsMaski You would be saying the Haas was insane too since KMag also took Pouhon flat out, as well as others. Drivers had already been doing it for a few years, there's already a comparison video somewhere.

[@officerayd2755]

cool to see how they used drs on the little straight before in 2011-12

[@dauf69]

Yupp, back in 2011 and 2012 DRS was allowed everywhere in FP and Qualifying. Vettel actually went through 130R with DRS open back in 2011. Completely bonkers.

[@Strat_Twelve_in_Pit_Lane]

Great Video 💪 Wait, there's Pastor... Amazing Video 🤘

[@docmccoy9813]

Fascinating. Thanks a lot for your work

[@giannisgiannopoulos2766]

2022 cars are new and have big margin for improvement i believe in the next season will see maybe 5 tenths difference in every pole lap

[@stefanroseEP3]

So much for 2022 cars being just as fast in the high speed. Not even close

[@rackhir100]

I enjoy your videos so much

[@honey-fe6pj]

Brilliant video thanks!

[@sullybiker6520]

That's pretty interesting; I would have thought there would be less of a drop between 2010-12 because of all the EBD stuff they were exploiting. It does show how much was lost with the weight jump in 2014 though. Not sure what happened in 2015...

[@Scotracer1987]

The Pirelli tyres likely weren't as good either.

[@douglasvaux1146]

Not just the increase in weight, but also the lack of Coanda-effect exhaust. Cars lost a lot of downforce with the repositioning of the exhaust pipe, not being able to channel the expelled gases through the diffuser.

[@BansheeRiderNL]

Great comparison video! Damn those 2014-2016 cars were slow as fuck 😅 Excellent top speeds though. 2020 W11 was mental 👍🏻 Love this kind of video's. Keep it up.

[@akshathole6641]

Great content

[@davidngoma6701]

Post more like these comparisons, Its interesting. Thanx

[@mih3lito475]

This would have been a very nice science project

[@projectvii4230]

The RB6 was absolutely incredible. The flexible wing it had surely helped.

[@adityanathrao5733]

That transition from V8 to V6 was quite depressing to be honest xD

[@minecraftveteran7410]

2010 and 2020 are unbelievable.

[@CeladonHairExtraordinaire]

How on earth was the 2010 car able to take that corner flat?

[@Spyker8921]

RB6

[@Spyker8921]

@richard Smaller also means less downforce

[@tiburonpatitoyt6709]

@@Spyker8921 But less weight too, so less aero is needed to make the car steer

[@baddoer]

Bridgestone tires, double diffuser + blown exhaust. Some Newey magic too.

[@parabelluminvicta8380]

@@baddoer wasnt double diffuser banned in 2010? you mean blown diffuser

[@indopleaser]

great video

[@Dzaen2]

2020 merc has to be the fastest and easiest to drive f1 car ever made.

[@strikenfs7498]

The easiest would be the fw14b because that car got tcs abs,active suspension and more aids

[@isaacr4849]

Ya lo manejaste?

[@Dzaen2]

@@strikenfs7498 No modern aero though(and electronics, suspensions, tires, etc) If it was a car, let's say from after 2010 with all these aids then yeah. But a car from the 90s even with all these aids would have much much less downforce.

[@eduardocampanacontardi2251]

@@isaacr4849 si, hizo el record de vuelta en el circuito de ya quisiera al norte de se lo imaginó

[@amint7107]

I disagree. Older Williams cars with TC, ABS, etc. are the easiest to drive. an automatic transmission, too. Yes, an automatic, not a paddle shift, you heard correctly.

[@tescopiwo]

Insane video, liberty media should hire you

[@Undivided-X]

2010-2016: Skinny Wings Era 2017-2021: High Downforce Era 2022-onwards: Ground Effect Era

[@Undivided-X]

@@v10-e8y I call it the 'aero appendage era' because of all the vanes, fins and winglets that started appearing all over the car.

[@gmasterdaone]

You mean low downforce, the 2016 car was less draggy

[@Thors_Garage]

Tells you how effective that blown double diffuser was in 2010

[@K0KUSHIBOU]

2023: Verstappen makes flatout entry speed: 257kph middle speed: 259kph Exit speed: 267kph At no point did the speed of the car decrease during the turn

[@ForzaPolska06]

I would never have guessed that 2010 cars were faster in fast speed corners than 2022 cars

[@nbain66]

really just the RB6. it was a beautiful car

[@elwingy]

its simply a matter of regulations... and besides the 2018-9 cars were the fastest ever and by quite a margin...they broke records everywhere they raced...

[@vinculaomega5283]

Many reasons, but I blame the weight the most. The new cars are simply too heavy

[@grimm6jack]

@@elwingy 2020 cars were even faster (Aside from Ferrari who dropped the ball massively).

[@lucamedici9830]

We could say that cars now are similar to 2017 season in term of performance.

[@grimm6jack]

Probably superior... But below 2018-2020 cars.

[@lucamedici9830]

@@grimm6jack Yeah, I agree. The time of pole position in Monaco this year was 1.11.3, whereas we were 1.12.1 in 2017.

[@BERNI0S]

Cars were having more grip but also were getting heavier through the years right? Despite that, that 2010 255 kmh from Webber was insane. Almost out of bounds in turn 8, almost full throttle in turn 9! And of course you can see the monstrous grip from the Mercedes from 2017 onwards.

[@fardmee6499]

2020 cars? Just amazing. Especially the Mercedes. A masterpiece, call it whatever you want, it was simply on another league.

[@rcl998]

we saw flat out in 2010 and 2018-2021, quite insane to watch

[@fabrb26]

When KZbin bring this up but you dont watch F1 anymore since may 94...

[@SGstylerSG]

2010 blown diffusor was crazy

[@mandy1339]

2022 car has so much porpoising on the corner.

[@damiozr1603]

anyone else noticed the drastic camera change in quality? from the 2010 clip to the 2011 it got miles better

[@dy7296]

I like how it goes down by an octave in a year

[@A-BYTE94]

Amazing

[@SamM-ow7yl]

My meer mortal brain will never understand how fast that W11 was...

[@koko400gt]

Answer: it had an illegal device.

[@SamM-ow7yl]

@@koko400gt No it didn't, that car was completely legal. The 2020 Mercedes isn't the 2019 Ferrari.

[@koko400gt]

@@SamM-ow7yl DAS.

[@derriethelm1524]

​@@koko400gt Even if it was illegal, it didn't make the car faster at all. They just used it to warm up the tires

[@bransonhelvey6216]

So many different colors of tyre that F1 fans today won’t know the confusion of

[@erasablemind5823]

2011-2017 were like "The engine feels good, much slower than before. Amazing."

[@boccamokg1829]

What is even more impressive is stopping from over 300 km/h to 90km/h in like 50 meters.

[@ten_cents3436]

The V8 has that iconic scream specially the 2011 era

[@Kettz]

i would really love to know the music you use for your videos. they are so perfect

[@bgs.95]

That's an off-track for Webber at 0:55, right? Hard to see the left-rear tire, but it sure appears all 4 tires leave the racing surface.

[@benjwillo]

The 2018 - 2020 cars have literally 0 wobble and insane levels of grip. Fastest cars ive ever seen

[@Mj_pro777]

The fact that the rb6 didn’t even have to lift is just insane compared to the 2014 cars that should be newer and better but have to brake

[@GoatedAtNFS]

the whole season of 2020 pole laps was different

[@prasannarajendran9315]

W11 was an absolute beast all factors considered and the best car in F1. It would just turn into any corner , chichane like hot knife cutting through butter. Even better than Newey's RB6

[@ThePhoenixWylde]

I wonder how much of the post 2010 speeds until the resurfacing, are down to the Pirelli tyres being so vastly inferior to the 2010 Bridgestones.

[@deepakarora1553]

Hey I like your videos so so much ❤️ and I came to know from other comments that many of your videos aren't on channel anymore due to copyright issues. Is their any way I can watch them. Big fan of your channel. Hoping for a reply☺️

[@yelistener]

Whatever I will upload in the future will be on this channel, so just stay turned.

[@-212-]

Merci !

[@nasura312]

That’s some insanely consistent speed from 2018-2021. Kinda makes you wonder what regulations were changed to make the field competitive

[@huafelszellem2664]

double diffuser... That was sick

[@dzsiniusz91]

2020 Mercedes the fastes car in Formula 1 history... 🤯 Nice video, thx!

[@YOURMEMEYOURLIFE]

nope

[@RC_RZ]

'18, '19, '20, '21 V6s beating 2010 V8 🔥 The technology at its best

[@JifeLacket]

Any info on how the track temps/conditions varied too? Just curios, great video.

[@A-BYTE94]

minor difference

[@GustavoCOD4]

Bridgestone 2010, great work

[@waynekerr67]

Went from Bridgestone to Pirelli, lost 20kph 🤣

[@hermansillem]

Very interesting!

[@itzz_mayank013]

2022 cars be like:I'm a 2017 Beast 😏

[@Moonshine1147]

So this basically confirms that the 2022 cars do have similar highspeed performances to the cars from 2017, but are significantly slower in low speed corners? Really interesting to see that in perspective. I only guessed as much until now, but this footage really showcases that. I got to check out more footages of 2017 and compare them to the 2022 cars, to get more accurate data. Thanks for uploading and sharing this informative video! Greetings from Germany and have a good day comrade! ✊ PS: Also, very noticeable, the 2021 W12 car was flatout in Campsa with lots of downforce, yet in Codemasters' F1 2021 the game the cars do not have representative aero levels and even at 11/11 wings you can not take Campsa flatout properly; of course the performance in F1 2021 the game is not as far off as it was in F1 2019 the game, but it is still quite the mishap by Codemasters, and was unfortunately not fixed to this day for whatever reason. Hopefully the F1 22 game will be closer in performance compared to real life data! PPS: It is super annoying to hear the Mercedes engine sound of the official FOM onboard footages, and then comparing it with Codemasters' replica version in their F1 games, as the Mercedes engine sound in the game is completely off and never to this day had the unique Mercedes Turbo Whine when downshifting or in low revs in it. It also gets really frustrating to experience this, when we keep in mind the fact that Codemasters have been using the exact mic placement that the audio engineers from the official FOM / SkyTV / F1TV use. Seriously, how can the engine sound in the game be so far off for years on years and does not seem to be getting closer to the real deal? It's baffling...

[@albert_gyorgy]

That is not surprising at all, ground effect makes lots of downforce on high speeds, but on low speeds, wings are much more efficient. With the complicated bargeboards and front wings, 2017 cars are always gonna be faster on low speed corners+lower weight and higher mechanical grip helps too in those corners.

[@Shifftee]

W11 was a rail monster!

[@bigmaryhelen]

Good video, man. You'll get a lot more views if you get rid of the stuff at the beginning.

[@ExplodeTheCake]

Look at how the amount of spectators in the grandstand went down pretty consistently until 2022. (im sure it wouldve been packed in 2021 if they were allowed)

[@j.s3300]

The porpoising though…oh boy

[@Tylhoz]

Those F1 really suck

[@brendadiggins6322]

2011 to 2012 transition🔥

[@wolfx.2546]

It took them 8 fucking years to catch up.

[@ten_cents3436]

2018 changed the stability wow

[@mufattm]

im surprised that f1 2010 was still rapid aganist others

[@vonPelger]

2006 was also an interesting year. Alonso went full throttle through campsa with fuel for race onboard

[@mohammedbinmahfooz7718]

wow. I know 2022 cars are slower than the 2020's by like 12 Km/hr, but with approx 100 kg more and still this fast means alot

[@fullthrottlegaming1112]

Surely they weren't qualifying on the hard tyre? Are these videos from pole laps or race laps? If they were pole laps wouldn't they be on the softest available tyre?

[@hippoeug]

Exactly! Especially those 2015 and 2016 laps for example..

[@hippoeug]

@@v10-e8y ooh

[@fullthrottlegaming1112]

@@v10-e8y the current tyre rules are different, but they still switched to Pirellis in 2011, so there was always a red striped soft tyre available in quali. That's why I think some of these clips are not from pole laps, which seems to be the complete point of the video to begin with.

[@LegendarySnipez7000]

The hard tyres where the fastest available compounds during those certain race weekends.

[@fullthrottlegaming1112]

@@LegendarySnipez7000 Really? I didn't even know that was ever possible, wouldn't the softest available tyre be the fastest in any dry conditions?

[@jihed1silini705]

The w11 is just sensational

[@opoxetv6934]

I think Bridgestone tyres was very good at grip

[@dundonian3081]

The acceleration out of the corners is where the cars are noticeably faster.. 2015 was 200kph at the corner but was going faster at the next corner than the previous 5 years from a slower starting speed.

[@mikejamie3214]

what we cant forget though are tyres. the change in aero package is not the only differing factor im afraid

[@DonLee1980]

Crazy how the first car and the last car have a 175kg weight difference

[@manosm2003]

So 2022 is like 2017

[@defnotatroll]

Across a whole lap it's a lot slower than 2017

[@manosm2003]

But it was on 1.19 on 2017

[@juzh1238]

@@manosm2003 2017 tarmac still had very old tarmac filled with bumps everywhere. it was repaved in 2018. even so, if you look at race laptimes 2017 was like 3 seconds a lap faster

[@dazleeders]

Those saying the RB6 was light compared to the post 2017 cars aren't compensating for Webber's massive balls