None of us Grognards are offended by the word grognard. :)
@arthogof15 күн бұрын
hear hear!
@azuretigers556215 күн бұрын
A ''Grognard (French word for ''grumpy'')'' is somebody who displays an attitude called ''Grognon'' and the verb ''Grogner'' means ''TO GROWL''. Which means, a Grognard is actually somebody who can be put in a bad mood if something doesn't float his boat, then displaying his upset attitude with a ''growl''.
@KentuckyFriedGamers15 күн бұрын
I resemble that remark :)
@scottmbruner15 күн бұрын
I came here (to the comment field) to say Grognard is no slur!
@mikeb.170514 күн бұрын
For me, it depends on the context of its use. Are they using it as a slur, or as a basic descriptor, or an endearment? Y'know, kinda like the N-word: context is everything. The way Mr(?) Tondro used it was absolutely as a slur / in a way meant to show disrepect or disdain. So, yeah, F' that guy.
@azboomstickco407816 күн бұрын
Hasbro May own the IP; but they do not own the community. They tend to forget that 2nd part.
@katherineberger632915 күн бұрын
Muskie DOES want to own the community, though - his rage inflection point wasn't the OGL Scandal or anything like that, it was a historical reexamination of the unintended impacts of various behaviors and writings on participation in RPGs by women & people of color.
@nowayjosedaniel15 күн бұрын
@@katherineberger6329Oh please. As PDM points out, the book sold fewer copied with those paragraphs in it than not. And Hasbro wants to erase heroes like Gygax so they can rewrite history to own all of D&D - for more profits. Like all right wing liberals and american corporations, they dont actually care about women, minorities, or history. It's all virtue signaling to con ppl like you out of their money. Musk is a billionaire. He isnt rich bc he virtue signaled to con ppl. He is rich bc he abused and exploited labor like a serial killer without empathy. But that means he doesnt have to virtue signal like Hasbro. Neither care about you, the fans, the customers, women, or minority groups. Elon does probably care about Gygax's history and D&D though. It's a selfish personal thing for him. Hasbro does NOT care about D&D. They will destroy it entirely if it's profitable to. They wanted to rewrite the OGL and turn it into a video game with a monthly sub riddled with mtx.
@MogofWar15 күн бұрын
They don't forget. They know the second fact and RESENT it to no end.
@JockoJonson1715 күн бұрын
Many would rejoin the community. WOTC is so terrible many of us won't buy anything they are involved in.
@azboomstickco407815 күн бұрын
@ I think that’s what they either don’t understand, or are willing to destroy the IP. Sort of like cutting off one’s own nose dispute the fact it’s attached to one’s face.
@PurifyWithLight15 күн бұрын
D&D is like monopoly. Once you own an edition you like, your set for life. Pencils, paper, dice = infinity
@ronaldbell742915 күн бұрын
They know they've got the rest of the people by the short and curlies though. Most people can't think up their own content. So they have to go with whatever the new edition is, to buy more content. Me, I walked away from D&D long ago. There are so many other systems I liked better.
@arditifin318715 күн бұрын
Thank you!!!! I get crazy feedback when I tell people they do not have to buy anything new.. 5e forever..
@AbominationalFailure15 күн бұрын
If you use a VTT it gets a bit tougher.
@JasonWickham-k2z15 күн бұрын
I completely agree with this sentiment. It's of no consequence to me how D&D performs as a product brand, or who owns the IP. I have everything I need to enjoy the hobby. If I change my mind and decide I want to add something else to my collection, independent publishers produce all manner of quality material that I can pick and choose from (usually with better rules and writing, and at a much more affordable price than "offical" D&D product).
@incognit0123315 күн бұрын
@@ronaldbell7429 They really don't. They can get free content from other players while they join the larger non hasbro affiliated DnD groups chats etc etc.
@MementoMorituri15 күн бұрын
The Grognards were Napoleon's elite troops "The Old Guard" or Vielle Garde. They had been with him the longest and proven themselves badasses in battle. The nickname "Grognard" or "Grumblers" came from the fact that they were the only ones allowed to grumble or show their displeasure in front of the General (later Emperor). Such a privilege was a token of respect given by Napoleon to those whom he knew were loyal. When I heard it applied to Old School D&D players, I immediately thought it very apropos. Wear that title as a badge of honor, because it literally was to those whom it was originally given.
@MatthewBrown-rt6cw14 күн бұрын
👆what MementoMorituri said
@Nobody-df4is12 күн бұрын
Exactly. I like the title. It seems 'they' even fail at insults. Hilarious.
@mysterlee1315 күн бұрын
"D&D is a language we use to communicate with each other. Hasbro can own the IP to D&D, but WE the players own the game" well said Professor!
@timexyemerald629014 күн бұрын
its not like he is going to get rid of it. he would just break up leftwing echo chambers from them and also get rid of leftwing politics that was getting pushed into it in recent years if he actually buys it
@Comicsluvr15 күн бұрын
As a Wisconsinite, I could go for the 'rename to TSR and move back to Wisconsin' part.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
I love Wisconsin! It's cold, though.
@richardpointer15 күн бұрын
Lake Geneva real estate to the moon!
@JCarlHenderson15 күн бұрын
Given what he's done with his other companies, Musk would be much more likely to move it to Texas though.
@oerthling15 күн бұрын
@@JCarlHendersonHe would play with the company for a while, make it toxic and then get bored and get a new toy to play with. Meanwhile replace a bunch of writers with AI. And the AI will get better than human writers in 6 months or so, no later than 9-12 months. Probably. Certainly. A year or 2 at most.
@DM_Bluddworth15 күн бұрын
@@oerthlingWizBro is already replacing artists and writers with AI, Musk won’t be introducing anything new in that instance. The current “writers”, designers, etc are likely to get the axe at the end of this month just like Hasbro did last year. Sales are down big time, they have overstock on their printed material and it costs more to warehouse it than it does to sell it off at 75 - 90% off! Mark my words, Amazon will eventually list that $100 book for $29.99 sometime in 2025.
@Elizabeth_Dutton16 күн бұрын
There's so many games *like* D&D these days, that do a better job of giving you a TTRPG experience, than the product line actually called D&D. Sticking with Hasbro at this point is akin to being in a bad relationship, KNOWING its a bad relationship, but staying just because you've been together a long time.
@WayneBraack15 күн бұрын
That's why any boy with any real balls has already cut the cord on that relationship.
@mattnoel244715 күн бұрын
Professor DM reviews loads of great alternatives and as stated at the end of the video that includes older versions of D&D (with a bit of updating). Is there a full list of such alternatives and a brief breakdown of their merits somewhere?
@ricardojuanlopeznaranjo665115 күн бұрын
Your words are truthful
@samizdatbroadcasts765415 күн бұрын
100%. The old school renaissance is a thing for a reason.
@PerfectPencil15 күн бұрын
This describes my in-laws.
@richardwoo798716 күн бұрын
It will never matter who owns the rights to D&D for players because we own the games we play. It’s the developers who will get nervous.
@SCAR16L15 күн бұрын
You haven't been paying attention I guess. One of the things they were wanting to do is go purely digital, where you wouldn't actually own anything. You'd subscribe to use the books, and if you ended the subscription, no more reading the books for you.
@richardwoo798715 күн бұрын
@ You place too much emphasis on whatever shiny new thing comes out. 5E has run over 10 years and is a perfectly fine system that we as players can tweak as we see fit.
@SCAR16L15 күн бұрын
@@richardwoo7987 Tell me you don't know anything without telling me you don't know anything. I haven't bought a single 5e book. I played it a couple times, because a friend had the books and wanted to try it. It sucked, and that was the end of D&D for me. The last edition I liked was 3.5, and Pathfinder did a better job with 3.5 in most regards. The newest "sHiNy ThiNg" I've bought when it comes to TTRPG is the core rules for Shadowrun 6e, 4 years ago IIRC, and all it took was reading them to know I didn't want to run or play that. "ShiNy ThiNg"...yeah, my 3e Shadowrun books, which are the majority of my gaming books, are real shiny. Maybe instead of trying to be a confrontational assclown, you can have some reading comprehension. Nah, what am I thinking.........
@JC50015 күн бұрын
@@SCAR16Lthey can’t make me pay a subscription for my physical books or the pdf rips of them on my hard drive. That’s enough games for several lifetimes, all outside WOTC’s control.
@SCAR16L15 күн бұрын
@@JC500 That's the spirit
@jacobhope616415 күн бұрын
I've been playing since '81, and am a Gulf War veteran. I believe the term Grognard captures me both figuratively and literally, and I identify as such with pride. Like Gary Gygax did, I am playing D&D with all three of my daughters. They will remember how we used roleplaying to have fun and learn more about ourselves, each other, and what it's like to be others. What more could I ask for from a game?
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Thank you for your service. My son is serving in S. Korea right now. God bless your daughters.
@kirbyculp344914 күн бұрын
o7
@fyrchmyrddin193713 күн бұрын
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 Just FYI Mr. Cheong is a Malay-based conservative author; I'm pretty sure he wrote numerous pieces for Breitbart and believe he was trying to build notoriety during the first GamerGate scandal.
@DUNGEONCRAFT112 күн бұрын
@@fyrchmyrddin1937 I don't even know what a Breitbart is.
@fyrchmyrddin193712 күн бұрын
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 Andrew Breitbart co-founded the Huffington Post, but spun off his own insanely successful (eponymous) 'right wing' online magazine... Breitbart soon died under somewhat mysterious circumstances & his online magazine dropped in viewership. It's less seen than The Drudge Report but no longer acts as an article aggregator, where Drudge does.
@RodrigoTakehara15 күн бұрын
“No company or billionaire can take that away from you” Though them sending mercenaries to take things away from you is in the realm of possibility
@NerfThisBoardGames15 күн бұрын
Technically correct, but unlikely. Musk might buy everything that used to be WOTC, but I don't think he'll want Hasbro There's so much debt and expenses that are useless to him
@alzathoth15 күн бұрын
if he sends mercenaries make sure you roll initiative before combat.
@WarRocketAjax9915 күн бұрын
NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE
@jackala278315 күн бұрын
"... is in the realm of possibility" So is the Earth being hit by a catastrophic meteor. Personally, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for either event.
@Mirthful_Midori15 күн бұрын
@alzathoth He was clearly referring to the time WotC sent the Pinkertons. A guy got a set of Magic the Gathering early and Hasbro sent goons to bully him into giving them up.
@Carlphish16 күн бұрын
I learned the word grognard from people who referred to themselves by that name. It was always a self-referential term in my experience, back when they were complaining about 3rd edition coming out.
@drillerdev462416 күн бұрын
I learned it from the board gaming community (referring to old school wargamers), and it wasn't derogatory per se except when used on oneself for laughs But languages are alive and evolve. Terms like "incel" or "terf" weren't derogatory either, but have been turned into insults Same as "boomer" and "millennial"
@azboomstickco407815 күн бұрын
@@Carlphish you have an excellent point. However I think the person here was telling people exactly how low of an opinion he has of them. Sort of like the reverse of when Hillary called a bunch of people ‘deplorable’ and they took it as a compliment.
@eatit826215 күн бұрын
I always find these sorts of scenarios interesting. As you say, it's a self referring term. When someone else starts using it to refer to people, it totally can be misattributed. But often that happens in the specific way of the extrapolation of the most obvious (to them) features of the original subject. An association is unavoidably created in those cases. So when the term becomes one that is regularly used in a negative way, it was because "the grumblers" that they knew probably where perceived negatively, thus others with similar traits had a term formed for them. It's like Karen's and Kyle's; someone knew some bad ones, now they all suffer the consequences. Also the person above me trying to say "terf" was turned negative, you are either on a grift or very ignorant. TERF has always been negative. Trying to even argue the non-negativity of a term that includes (ironically) "exclusionary" tells me all I need to know about the priorities and reasoning ability of one making such a ridiculous claim.
@drillerdev462415 күн бұрын
@eatit8262 I have seen it used as a self defining term, and I don't think it originally had the same backlash it carries nowadays However since english ain't my mother language, it's possible my experience with the term may differ Trying to infer my reasoning capabilities out of that seems quite bold, though
@isty449115 күн бұрын
I learned what the word "Redneck" means, from a bunch of gamers i played with in UO, who were not only proud of being rednecks but insisted to be called it often, they told me they applied it to white folks from the once confederate states I being British had no real previous understanding of the word, sure i'd heard it on tv but didnt really know its meaning or origin After a few months conditioning i no longer blushed each time i used the word A year or 2 later i was playing SWG, met some guys from Louisiana, so naturally i said "Oh Rednecks", they were not as happy as the previous group, but thought it was funny once i explained My point is, Words change, meanings change, and even 2 different people from the same place and time may disagree on whether or not its offensive of hilarious My philosophy is - words only hurt you if you let them hurt you, if a word has hurt you, its because _you_ gave it power, just smile and say "yep, guess thats me" And its usually better to assume someone meant no offence at all, than to instantly assume they are berating you, i find the world is a much nicer place if you assume everyone - especially online - doesnt mean you offence, and if after a minute it really seems they do, just ignore them and enjoy the rest of your life, because they arent worth bothering with
@davidfinch740716 күн бұрын
I think grognard literally translates as "grumbler", but specifically it does refer to Napoleon's Old Guard- the grumblers who got things done.
@DoctorLazers16 күн бұрын
Specifically it refers to the fact that only the most respected veteran soldiers were granted the privilege of being allowed to complain to Napoleon. The implication being that they were experienced enough that he would take their grumbling seriously. Hence, 'The Grumblers.'
@leatherguru890416 күн бұрын
@@DoctorLazers Funny, wotc should listen to "The Grumblers".
@davidfinch740716 күн бұрын
@@DoctorLazers Excellent! I appreciate the info.
@crcurran16 күн бұрын
They were allowed to grumble since they were veterans of wars in Napoleon's forces. They weren't allowed to disparage the far upper chain of command (well, loudly) though.
@chrisg898916 күн бұрын
I'd take that as a complement, if anything.
@nielsjensen418516 күн бұрын
I get happier and happier that I've written my own system.
@KeyserSoze197215 күн бұрын
It is products of your imagination
@nielsjensen418515 күн бұрын
@@KeyserSoze1972 A system creates the framework that your imagination can work in. Having no system works for artsy one-shots. It has limited application for a long-term campaign.
@shanekayat321715 күн бұрын
What is it based off/comparable to? Is it a d20 system, d6, or something else? I like to hear about custom systems
@nielsjensen418515 күн бұрын
@@shanekayat3217 It's 2d6+X with a Roll Higher mechanics. Using Rolls is only really necessary if you struggle or want to show off since the system has a mechanic that lets you auto-resolve if you're skilled enough to beat the difficulty. Conceptually, it's similar to GURPS and Savage World in that it's universal. As opposed to the two, it leaves all the jank and can be used for all power levels without having to modify the core rules.
@Ordoscc13 күн бұрын
@@nielsjensen4185So a PBTA hack?
@tasmanianbadger15 күн бұрын
Dude… as a 45+ year gamer… one who patiently counted the days for the release of the Ad&d hardcovers…. I think your summary of the whole mess was perfect. Particularly in the simple assertion that WotC (and imho some younger gamers) seem to feel that inclusiveness doesn’t include older people.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Exactly. It's irony.
@beajoh15 күн бұрын
I'm always puzzled when a company alienates their customers, especially the ones with a lot of disposable income and time. (Yeah, I'm retired and I still buy and play D&D).
@ankh7915 күн бұрын
"WotC (and imho some younger gamers) seem to feel that inclusiveness doesn’t include OTHER people" -- there, I fixed for you 🤣 Agree 100% w/ you
@davidtaylor14214 күн бұрын
Im not sure thats what they meant by that. I think that they were talking about older players that are angry at new editions, not older players in general
@tasmanianbadger14 күн бұрын
@ . You may very well be right… but from his replies to the reaction he’s received suggests that the Professor is correct in his summary. Nothing the Prof (or I) said was particularly denigrating or inflammatory. Many, many folk have given Tandro a measured, calm reaction… he’s doubled down on the dismissal and condescension. Further, nobody is thrilled about the behaviour of WotC and Hasbro in recent times… particularly in trying to put the game behind a digital paywall… yet it’s us old gamers that are singled out?
@StrengthandHonor14 күн бұрын
As an Old G Gen X'er, and/or proud Grognard, all I can say is..., Well said, Professor DM, as always--your commentary on this "delicate issue" was tactful, concise, and exceedingly logical. So much so, that although I had every intention of vocalizing my distain for the direction that D&D, as other IP's (SW, ST, Dr. Who, LOTR, Marvel, etc.) have gone, I believe that your statement on this particular issue was not only thoughtful, but exceptionally civil as well as informative. I trust that you're doing better, keep up the great work my friend. May GOD bless you and yours on this and every day to come. I ask this in Jesus' name. Amen. Joshua 24:15 John 8:32, 14:6, & 14:27 Romans 1:16-17 1 Corinthians 2:1-9 & 16:13-14 2 Corinthians 7:14 Psalms 4:6-7, 18:1-3, 23, 28:7, 34, 35, 37:30-31, 40, 51, 55, 72:18-19, & 91 - 95 Exodus 14:14 Isaiah 41:13 & 41:29 Ephesians 6:10-18 & 6:24 Deuteronomy 31:6 Philippians 4:6-7 2 Chronicles 7:14 Strength and Honor!
@eros542016 күн бұрын
Larian made over a Bil on BG3. They could make BG4 or DLC and rake in a guaranteed fat paycheck. But WOTC/Hasbro is so toxic they would rather take a pay cut and do their own thing than work with them. That should tell you anything and everything about it.
@katherineberger632916 күн бұрын
Hasbro's main problem, revenue-wise, isn't D&D or Magic. It's the fact that all their toy lines have been suffering for a decade from not understanding what the toy lines are really trying to say. Power Rangers should have been a license to print money, but it's been an unmitigated flop and Hasbro has completely wrecked the relationships that made it work - the chances of Bandai and Toei reapproaching the North American market until the Power Rangers property lapses into obscurity are slim to none. A decade and a half of increasingly mid Transformers movies has had the same impact on the Transformers property - Transformers pretty much killed itself off because it wanted to excise any elements that would make it interesting to anybody outside of its self-perceived core audience of 8-14 year old boys and it turns out that makes it hard to grow a franchise. They saw the money that BG3 made, and they want more of it, without a half-decade lead time. That's what led to severing ties with Larian - NOT "toxic" behavior. BG3 is chock full of all the stuff that anti-wokies hate. It's a great game.
@nowayjosedaniel15 күн бұрын
@@katherineberger6329Hasbro definitely had toxic behavior toward Larian. You are too online. Log off bluesky. Your definition of toxic is weird and out of touch bc youre terminally online reading endless woke crap. Most normal people would definitely call Hasbro toxic behavior bc normal people arent woke or anti-woke weirdos. No one actually likes all this crap. And based on post-election voting data recently, they dislike woke even more than anti-woke (and both are clownishly gross to normal people).
@francisxavier837415 күн бұрын
the issue larian had with hasbro afaik was that they fired the team responsible for coordinating with larian musk is known for firing people in droves
@nnickplays971315 күн бұрын
If you mean Twitter, it worked out well. He fired over half the company and it still works. He burned the dead weight (and the imbedded feds, but that's another story) off Twitter.
@Stonegolem615 күн бұрын
Larian not making BG4 or dlc has nothing to do with Hasbro being greedy. Larian just wants to do their own thing. If they asked for the license on bg4 they'd get it.
@strikethespike81616 күн бұрын
You have the most level headed take on this situation.
@DeadMarsh16 күн бұрын
I agree. This is the best unemotional take I’ve seen on this topic.
@kentjensen450416 күн бұрын
BS. There’s nothing to be levelheaded about. If Musk owns it, it won’t be woke and stupid. That’s all. People who have emotions over this are woke and stupid. EOS.
@Arcahnslight16 күн бұрын
@@DeadMarsh Yep, even Bobworldbuilder missed the mark pretty badly on this. He decided an ad hominem approach against Elon was justification for putting words in the man's mouth and assuming he was trying to gatekeep the hobby. Then he proceeded to downplay the blatant, gross pandering WotC has done to the non-existent "modern audience" for some reason, even though no one even brought that up. It came off as really weak and reactionary drivel.
@markbertenshaw397716 күн бұрын
It's a shame, he seems like a nice guy. But I could detect a nasty streak of animosity when he talked about that tech billionaire. Yeah, I would like to be rich too, but I don't have the motivation to be rich. 😊
@solomani-4216 күн бұрын
Agree. Nice to see especially when others are defending Hasbro because of “fascism”. 😞
@FrankMonday16 күн бұрын
Well said. DnD is a shared lexicon, game mechanics, and fellowship of friends. All these companies do is make content, some good some bad. The players, and even more so, the DMs, own the game!
@Biostasis5x716 күн бұрын
It would be nice if new content was good. 5e has like 20+ modules and only a few of them are considered worth playing. Not LEGENDARY, just worth playing.
@danbrauch417415 күн бұрын
So much of what makes these current D&D news videos that professor DM makes good is not just quality coverage of the event, but as a guide about how to be an adult in general.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Thanks! That's nice of you to say.
@jaybakata556613 күн бұрын
The problem is the people that need the "how to be an adult guide" don't watch.
@readwatchlisten286316 күн бұрын
I don't have a dog in this fight, but that graphic of Musk's net worth next to Hasboro's was hilarious.
@JasonWickham-k2z15 күн бұрын
Now they just need a graph that compares Musk's douchebaggery to Hasbro's douchebaggery. I think Musk would win on this one, as well. It would be a close race, though.
@katherineberger632915 күн бұрын
@@JasonWickham-k2z Considering Musk's douchebaggery involves using Putin's submissive to try to make trans people illegal, he has Hasbro beat hands-down.
@Jazzdumpling15 күн бұрын
Yeah it’s hilarious that one person holds such obscene wealth, it’s so FUNNY Newsflash: everyone has a dog in the fight when a supervillain is trying to buy the entire world
@Frustwell14 күн бұрын
@@Jazzdumpling Plot twist: The real supervillains turn out to be those Americans who want to remake the whole world in their own image. Neo-colonialists who expect those of us who aren't even American to conform to dogma that is really only popular among those leaving college campuses believing in their own infallibility.
@Frustwell14 күн бұрын
@@Jazzdumpling Plot twist: The real supervillains turn out to be those Americans who want to remake the whole world in their own image. Neo-colonialists who expect those of us who aren't even American to conform to dogma that is really only popular among those leaving college campuses believing in their own infallibility.
@ktravers16 күн бұрын
"I play a lot with young kids" - 07:17. They are lucky to have you show them the ropes.
@thegrim41814 күн бұрын
I'll take "Heartwarming phrases that sound bad out of context" for 800 Alex.
@The-Avien16 күн бұрын
I think for many games company executives, “grognard” has come to mean “customers with sufficient experience in both the ecosystem and life that they understand what they like and can’t be fooled by flashy marketing tactics anymore and are therefore useless from a profiteering perspective. “
@xsoultillerx15 күн бұрын
in the context of gaming "grognards" by the slang definition don't/wouldn't really buy new product and will stick to whatever their prefered version/edition is. so why would you even cater to them? an aging market without any new blood coming in isn't going to be around forever and D&D (or any TTRPG really) isn't like transformers, star wars or pokemon where it's a multimedia franchise with merch/marketing behind it.
@CanalTremocos15 күн бұрын
@@xsoultillerx Customer Acquisition Cost. When you don't have to pay the acquisition cost anymore, old customers are free money [even if if it isn't much] A good value for a generic industry is when a new customer costs around 1/3 of lifetime profit.
@katherineberger632915 күн бұрын
@@CanalTremocos People who have decided they don't want to buy any more product than they already have have stopped being customers. There's no point in trying to retain them; they've made up their mind.
@tailkinker197215 күн бұрын
Need to get a Grognard t-shirt.
@xsoultillerx15 күн бұрын
@@CanalTremocos but as i & the other person who replied to you brought up grogs aren't returning customers. they're people who've already made up their mind and are not buying new product. catering towards them is pointless because they won't come back.
@DM_Curtis16 күн бұрын
"Our core customers aren't worth listening to, so I didn't consider them." Good to know.
@AnonymousJohnAutobon16 күн бұрын
Exactly
@DoctorLazers16 күн бұрын
@@DM_Curtis Grognards certainly aren't the primary audience for DnD. We make up a small minority when you consider nearly three quarters of DnD players started with 5e. But they are CERTAINLY the primary audience for a reprint of OD&D.
@mazzacanemedia16 күн бұрын
if you think the old schooolers are the "core customer" you've missed like the last 10 years and not really worth listening to.
@samflory16 күн бұрын
Honestly as a Grognard who games with Grognards I have to say. Most of us don't actually care.
@TravisWilliams_16 күн бұрын
@@DoctorLazersD&D*
@aschergamer221314 күн бұрын
Thanks for nuance and calm. And thank you for not saying “pee-can” pie.
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
You're welcome.
@livefree1981aw15 күн бұрын
This is why I love you PDM: You are an open-minded person, but also very realistic. Ethics are difficult to uphold when you're hot and sweaty in mid-July.
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
Exactly.
@DarkErdrick14 күн бұрын
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. That doesn't mean all attempts at herm reduction should be considered pointless.
@aurvay16 күн бұрын
“Would WotC stuff quit in protest?” Hopefully.
@cpccroixssantplayer140316 күн бұрын
It would be a nice movement but then he’d just replace them all with the weird racists that have been getting way too comfortable in the space lately
@tenanaciouz16 күн бұрын
@@cpccroixssantplayer1403 LOL weird racists? You sound like a Kamala voter nobody wants you in our hobby kindly go play something else
@mogalixir16 күн бұрын
Let’s hear who you think is the racist and I will bet it’s someone who has never said anything racist but is the wrong skin tone for you.
@GentlemenofAction16 күн бұрын
@@cpccroixssantplayer1403you know, I don't think you know much of anything or are self-aware. The biggest racists are the "Anti Racists" themselves. They are obsessed with race. I just want to play DnD, brother.
@angelalewis364516 күн бұрын
@@mogalixir 💯
@Ishpeck16 күн бұрын
It'll be great when Musk renames the game to X&X and nobody knows what the hell it even is.
@diobrando984215 күн бұрын
@@Ishpeck xvarts and xanathar(?)
@joluoto15 күн бұрын
And can only be played on X.
@trynda170115 күн бұрын
I find it amusing how people STILL refer to X as Twitter!
@johnschwartz164115 күн бұрын
@@trynda1701 Twitter is a name that resonates. X is a letter that sounds like the start of algebra homework.
@SaucyJack8815 күн бұрын
@@trynda1701 I'd say Elon Musk is pretty good at a lot of things, but coming up with strong names isn't one of them. Have you ever checked what he named the son he had with Grimes? Yikes, LMAO
@mrtriceratops338416 күн бұрын
I play with a lot of devout players and only 1 knew about the OGL scandal after it blew up. I’d imagine most would not know if Musk was the head of D&D
@goyasolidar16 күн бұрын
Oh, trust me. Musk being the attention whore that he is, he'll let everyone know.
@Boosttackle16 күн бұрын
Honestly this.
@DoctorLazers16 күн бұрын
@@mrtriceratops3384 Trust me, he'd make sure everyone knows. Dude bought the largest social media platform in the world to use as his own private megaphone.
@ronarnold150716 күн бұрын
The only reason most people would ever know is because you know he'd make a huge deal about it on social media. Even if you don't use social media, you'd eventually hear about it from someone that does. The man is many things, and a raving attention whore is definitely one of them.
@Arcahnslight16 күн бұрын
We'd sure see a lot less art of characters that look like they just stepped out of an LGB-LMNOP New York Night Club and put on some poorly made cosplay gear. It's so freaking jarring.
@RPGmodsFan15 күн бұрын
7:00 Orange Spine? OMG! My AD&D Books (PHB, DMG, MM) go back to even before then! God, I am such a Grognard!
@mjphyil15 күн бұрын
As an old time gamer myself but also businessman, WotC has enough of a newer player base that grognards don't matter as much to their bottom line as they did 25 years ago. Sure, many of us are 'collectors' and will purchase the books no matter what, but the majority of their sales has and is still shifting to digital. So, no matter how much we shout at the clouds, the industry has changed, and the younger crowd is driving the bulk of their sales. You can add up all the alternative games out there and they still don't come close to the numbers for Dnd. That's just reality.
@katherineberger632915 күн бұрын
I've been gaming for 35 years. I am not in the core demographic for D&D anymore and have not been for some time. The numbers indicate that the core demographic for TTRPGs is under-18s, with a significant peripheral demo from 18-49 (I'm in that).
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
This is not untrue. BUT...the older fans have the $ to buy a $100 coffee table book--and they didn't. Old fans have the deepest pockets.
@Mark-sd4hv15 күн бұрын
So those young people aren't playing TTRPGs. They are playing video games, especially moreso in the future. That means the bottom line is still dependent on people who actually buy books and sit at tables, old people
@Harby00012 күн бұрын
@@Mark-sd4hv I will disagree with that statement. I was asked to help start up a D&D club a year ago or so at the local middle school. It has ~400 kids. For the info session, 48 kids showed up. It regularly sees 25-30 still, which is over 5% of the student body. I wish there had been that kind of uptake in the 80s and 90s, rather than just the 5 RPG kids huddled in a corner of the library at lunch. Just as we seek older players not to be discounted, younger players can't be either.
@BCSully8316 күн бұрын
I'm "The Older Fanbase". My first game of D&D was 1978. I loved 5e too. But ever since the OGL scandal, the Pinkerton thing, and now this whole digital subscription with micro-transactions money-grab, I've pretty much left D&D for better games by smaller publishers. I'll still play, if the opportunity presents, but with the older editions I already have. I haven't bought a new wotc book for a year or so, and will not be buying 6e (or whatever it's called). If Elon buys wotc and/or Hasbro, to me it's just one odious, robber-baron (turned junior oligarch, I guess?) buying out other odious robber barons. Call of Cthulhu is more fun to play anyway, and Chaosium isn't publicly traded. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
@luciussvartwulf663015 күн бұрын
Dungeons and Discordance did a video about this crying about if Must bought Hasbro/WOTC he'd monetize the hell out of with microtransactions, subscriptions, etc. I was like "doesn't WOTC already do that to an insane degree though?" Hell, they bought up the homebrew for the Illbringer class and are charging $15 for the pdf...
@AquaLunaDesigns15 күн бұрын
This is exactly how I feel too. "Oh look money changing hands amongst the wealthy elite again." Hasbro sucks, Musk sucks. I will continue to not give either of them money.
@BCSully8315 күн бұрын
@luciussvartwulf6630 yeah, wotc has already said that's their plan. They want it all digital with subscriptions and add-ons, just like video games. The only difference, if Musk buys it, is he'll probably let you pay with crypto.
@BillieVoss14 күн бұрын
@@BCSully83 - "The only difference, if Musk buys it, is he'll probably let you pay with crypto." ...it's bold of you to assume he won't cram his ridiculous politics into it. If you think Mexican Orcs are bad, wait until they round out the Orcs with a whole heap of stereotypes.
@DatcleanMochaJo12 күн бұрын
@@BillieVoss Why is that an issue? I hope Musk makes you mad with his changes
@TravelingDomokun16 күн бұрын
As a Grognard I have long understood that I am no longer part of the core audience for many of my old fandoms, but I think that's okay. Especially with D&D, there is enough Material in my preferred Edition to last me a lifetime of sessions. I have no incentive to buy 5e, 2024e, or whatever Musk would cook up given the chance. Younger players and authors will drive the game forward the way they want, so let them do their thing.
@RPG_Bliss16 күн бұрын
What’s your edition?
@TravelingDomokun16 күн бұрын
@@RPG_Bliss 3.5e/PF1e
@TravelingDomokun16 күн бұрын
@@RPG_Bliss 3.5e (and PF1e)... we had a short epic level adventure that prevented the Spellplague and just went on with our own story.
@dane303816 күн бұрын
You are relevant as long as you are alive. You are important to the gaming industry as long as you are still gaming.
@ThaiThom15 күн бұрын
Musk grew up playing BX and 1e D&D. Gary Gygax is one of his few heroes. He's not interested in stealing Gary's thunder.
@erikc579716 күн бұрын
Well as long as WotC keeps D&D I will only buy used D&D materials. Hasbro has been making bad decision after bad decision
@DragonmasterCire16 күн бұрын
Hasbro owns WotC
@erikc579716 күн бұрын
@@DragonmasterCire I'm confused by that reply. I know they own WotC. Did I make it sound otherwise? Or are you suggesting that was one of their bad decisions?
@dane303816 күн бұрын
You are still supporting them. Just play a different game or don't even bother.
@nctpti207315 күн бұрын
Curious which such bad decision has afflicted your table specifically. There are no WotC rules police going table to table.
@SCAR16L15 күн бұрын
@dane3038 Buying used books doesn't put any money in the pockets of WotC or Wokebro.
@MinimizeNature15 күн бұрын
This is a very balanced reporting of events, much appreciated.
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
Thanks. I just read a comment about how unbalanced it was--so this balanced it out!
@HereComeMrCee-Jay15 күн бұрын
Excellent, balanced and mature take. Nobody os better than you, PDM.
@johneman955316 күн бұрын
Honestly, I'm so done the D&D brand, I don't really care what happens.
@woolybear16 күн бұрын
I agree that we, the players, own the game as we are able to play with already published editions, which are nothing more than a system of rules and lexicon: a ttrpg game is only limited by the imagination of its players. The downside to a takeover would be for future editions, games, toys and probably aggressive monetization of it all. But would it be worse than what Hasbro's doing right now?
@OhThatRobin16 күн бұрын
It would. We’d just switch systems or simply play older D&D stuff like how he ruined twitter and now everyone’s moving to Bluesky. Don’t ever think things cannot get worse.
@_ClericalError_15 күн бұрын
@OhThatRobin BlueSky is already seeing the strain of having an overload of patronizing whiners who have nothing better to do than police each other over imagined insults, the platform said as much itself when giving numbers about their reporting facilities. Bug names are already leaving BlueSky, and BS itself is just another reaction to the Twitter acquisition like Threads, which has itself had a really bumby ride so far. The issue is people want to be where the other people are, and thag is X for better or worse in social media, or DnD for TTRPGs
@Luykosaurus16 күн бұрын
"You are our only hope" What?!? How about playing one of the thousands of other TTRPGs out there? That should be enough hope for the entire planet...
@golomoed534716 күн бұрын
THIS
@Argonnosi16 күн бұрын
Dungeons and Dragons is still the entry point for the bulk of new gamers. Where it goes, the hobby inevitably follows or reacts to.
@Niyucuatro16 күн бұрын
Because when you ahve liked something for a long time. It is sad to see it getting worse. Sure, it's not their only hope to have good ttrpg. But feeling like it's their only hope for seing the thing they like being taken care of is a valid sentiment. Whether you agree or not that Elon would take proper care of DnD is another thing.
@pce015 күн бұрын
"Why fight for something you care? just abandon it and get something else similar."
@golomoed534715 күн бұрын
@pce0 This a sad choice to make, but if you care more about DnD then searching for another great fantasy ttrpg at this day, I dont know why but I dont feel sorry for you that much
@Calebgoblin15 күн бұрын
Honestly this take (and calling out slackticism) was amazing Nat 20
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
I'm a slacktivist myself.
@occasional-dabbler15 күн бұрын
Definitely adding that to my lexicon. It's why I've almost never put much effort into boycotts; especially where I live, where the populace is overwhelmingly on the other side of the political spectrum from me, if I refused to buy from people who disagreed, I'd have to mail-order everything.
@ChadSparkes15 күн бұрын
Sneakers and cell phones are more or less essential products for every day use. As much as we love D&D, we can always rely on our old libraries of physical and digital media, and as you mentioned there *are* other games out there. When I was a kid I asked my parents for "a Nintendo". They got me a Sega. Kid me was a little confused and maybe a bit disappointed, then went on to spend hundreds of hours on that Sega system.
@stevenbean29715 күн бұрын
"D&D is what you do at your table." Nicely said, sir.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@Brawnfet15 күн бұрын
My concerns are the fact he might go after the OSR as a direct competitor, and try to sue them to get them out of the running like he's doing with Chatgpt. Also twitter's moving into "AI based gaming" so we can see a future of crappy ai art in books. The OGL scandal was an existential crisis for the OSR but Musk might be able to pull off what Wizards failed to do with that.
@luciussvartwulf663015 күн бұрын
Which, let's be honest here, is different from WOTC how? They tried to own their competitors material with the OGL scandal, they've sued people over it, they've been working on an AI-DM for years now, and with how "Good" AI art is getting I wouldn't be surprised if they start sneaking it into the books any day now.
@Brawnfet15 күн бұрын
Again, they tried and failed, and they're at least hiding the ai art. I think it was some promotional MTG thing if you want to look for it. I prefer an environment where it's limited as opposed to rolling out the red carpet for both. Right now he's trying to push AI gaming so he has more incentive to push an AI D&D version. (DM, art, etc.)
@JCarlHenderson15 күн бұрын
Remember, that 5E's core rules are now irreversibly licensed under Creative Commons 4.0.
@Brawnfet15 күн бұрын
@@JCarlHenderson Most are written under 3e's still. Did they ever move the earlier SRDs under CC as well?
@joshuaharmon668416 күн бұрын
The context was very helpful. Now that I realize they don't care about 1st edition players like me, plus already knowing about the Christmas firing of the entire book team last year, and the attempt to sue people for using similar game styles..... Hasbro needs to be bought by someone new, for sure.
@katherineberger632916 күн бұрын
Does any publisher care about people who liked the last edition of whatever textbook they are publishing? No they do not.
@joshuaharmon668416 күн бұрын
@katherineberger6329 Think of it from a game perspective, rather than a publisher perspective.
@1776huckleberry16 күн бұрын
@@katherineberger6329now how many of them tried to STEAL from their playerbase's original content that was DnD inspired?
@katherineberger632915 күн бұрын
@@joshuaharmon6684WotC is a publishing business. If you don't understand why publishers do what they do, you are going to make bad assumptions. Publishers do not care about people who are not customers and have not been customers for 40 years.
@katherineberger632915 күн бұрын
@@1776huckleberry First, your appeals to motive are no less fallacious the hundredth time than the first. Second, what does that have to do with anything? The OGL Scandal was such a scandal because it was about taking options away from current customers, not about people who were once customers 40 years ago who haven't been customers for 40 years because "I have my game and I don't like this new stuff." Companies that make things, generally, do not consider people customers who are not actively buying product NOW.
@VaughnRipley14 күн бұрын
Your commentary is always fantastic, but this one was truly exceptional! Loved your insightful take-spot on! Your D&D tips, advice, and insights are top-notch, and the way you add your unique flavor makes it all the better. This old grognard has been playing since AD&D 1st Edition back around 1979, and it’s amazing to see how far the game and the community have come. I especially appreciate how unbiased and straightforward your content is. I’ve recently unfollowed a few creators because their bias and political messaging took away from the joy of the content. You’re one of the rare ones who keeps it real and focused, and that’s why I’ll keep coming back. Thanks for all you do-please keep up the incredible work!
@jakodar10 күн бұрын
Great video - I love your perspective on game ownership! Our table discussed this during the OGL debacle and decided that we would play what we we like, how we like and support the creators that we like regardless of what corporations thought. For us, and all players, it is about what we enjoy at our table. This is no different. That said, I am personally tired of WotC’s disrespect of the game’s creators and history. We can disagree with someone and still be respectful - and we should be.
@sisyphushappyxvx16 күн бұрын
DND is considerably more discretionary than a cell phone or computer in the modern world. One's willingness and ability to divest from DND is much easier arrived at than living without a cell phone.
@istjimmyi420215 күн бұрын
I was going to say this. I can't remember the name of the "fallacy", but unlike cellphones or capitalism; you could choose to just not interact with D&D or Hasbro. I've successfully done this for almost 3 years now? Ever since the OGL scandal, and this comes from a game shop owner as well. Go play older editions if anything else. Buy the OOP books. You wanna play right? Then get damaged books, borrow one, or use the internet! (In prep for the, old books are too expensive) Wanna do something more new to support the current hobby? Bro... There are some AMAZING TTRPG's out here nowadays. I have a hard time keeping up honestly, and each one of them brings something unique to the table. OR IF NOTHING ELSE, DO WHAT I AM DOING, WRITE YOUR OWN GAME. Seriously, how many of us actually play RAW D&D? (My quest is straight 3.5, which is huge if encompassing all splats) Don't y'all love that Rule Zero stuff anyways? What if you just applied that to everything? WE, the community, are the game(s). Those books, while huge in inspiration; will not be keeping my community from continuing on with or without the Man from Chainmail's game, as it already has, and will continue to do. My current system suggestions: Savage Worlds (Deluxe), Shadowrun 3rd, Star Wars EDGE/Genesys, and my recent obsession; Dungeon Crawl Classics. These "relationships" have been a lot more positive in our community. Not that our D&D 2.5 groups are going anywhere. Our community is a mix of "grognards" & "teeny boppers" who actually MOSTLY get along, outside of the extremists.
@TwistedTentacleInn15 күн бұрын
You're on a roll, Mr. Professor Dungeon Master. What a great take. And before you say it, definitely not by accident.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@JoshEastburn15 күн бұрын
Prof, I know you'd rather be talking about gaming and crafting, so thanks for narrating all the industry drama with a thorough, balanced, and civil perspective. Honestly, I feel like it makes me a better player. There's a meta narrative here about what defines our culture and what it means to be a good member of that culture, whether creator or consumer. Thanks for setting and holding us all to a good standard. Teachers rock!
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
Thanks, on behalf of all the teachers.
@GrandOldDwarf15 күн бұрын
I really like the clear-headed way you approach these news videos.
@vernonschmidt651415 күн бұрын
Any way you look at at, Jason Tondro has openly expressed his disregard a group of his customers. One thing I've learned from the last several years is that when the people behind and IP insult you, it's time to leave. The very first time they do it. So I'll complete the current campaign I'm in and move on to something else after that. I would suggest others do the same because of they insult one group now, they will come after other ones in the future. So for me, if Musk or someone else buys it, I might come back.
@AdamBragg15 күн бұрын
They came for the Grognards, but I wasn't a Grognard, so I said nothing...
@Contevent15 күн бұрын
@@vernonschmidt6514 What do you even mean "leave". What are you going to stop doing?
@kirbyculp344914 күн бұрын
Just buy used or retro
@BillieVoss14 күн бұрын
I'm... really not bothered that they published a book that wasn't meant for me. When you're part of a marginalised community it happens all the time. I don't understand why y'all act like they killed your dog...
@yourseatatthetable16 күн бұрын
If Musk is a tenth the hobby RPG geek that I am, he'll buy the blasted thing. If I had Muck's money, I'd have bought Hasbro (one way or another), along with several other brand's I'm partial too. Which, considering me, it's probably a good thing that I'll never have that kind of f'u money. You know, Hasbro. There's always room for both sorts; pen and paper and digital whatever.
@KHfanz16 күн бұрын
Oh absolutely, if I could just piss away 12billion dollars with minimal to no drawbacks I would’ve bought Hasbro/WoTC years ago.
@yourseatatthetable16 күн бұрын
@@KHfanz We're talking Musk money. What did he spend on buying Twitter? I've heard that isn't not worth as much as it used to be.
@3nertia16 күн бұрын
@@KHfanz Elon Musk is a prime example of failing upward lmao
@angelalewis364516 күн бұрын
@@yourseatatthetable It was worth only half what he paid for it, but now the value has gone up.
@darrel749316 күн бұрын
Musk buying D&D could work a lot better than him being twitter. If he bought D&D it may suddenly seem more like the cool thing to a lot of people and its value goes up. And I don't think he would actually micro manage D&D (as it isn't important enough to him) and just leave it to other people.
@NuclearFridge115 күн бұрын
Makes me feel glad it's been 20 years since I bought a D&D product of any shape or kind...
@bootsdrew114515 күн бұрын
Thank you for taking a moderate take on the news and happenings. I know it can be hard to not add option, and you handle this like a professional. Well done sir.
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
Thanks. I try my best.
@DaniLearnsTo9 күн бұрын
Ah! You and I got to play a test run of TheDMGinfo's game. Good seeing your content tackling some big news in the TTRPG world. Hope you've been well!
@DahVoozel16 күн бұрын
This is all a ploy for Musk to own My Little Pony so he can finally become the biggest Brony.
@Clem68W15 күн бұрын
Brony, for sure, that dude smells women's hair when they're not looking.
@luciussvartwulf663015 күн бұрын
Yeah, but he can never get Pinkie Pie back from Weird Al, so even if he bought it I'm not sure he could claim the title.
@JDReC10015 күн бұрын
@Clem68W is that common for Diablo 4 players?
@ArkadiBolschek15 күн бұрын
01:15 "what Elon Musk or _any other grognard_ thinks". Well, as a bona fide grognard, I can only laugh (scornfully) at the implication that Melon Husk is one of us 🧐
@ryansullivan585416 күн бұрын
I actually didn't know about the Thaco character thing. That is a little insulting.
@surlycanadian16 күн бұрын
Well, only to gatekeeping old fuckers. In this day and age, there is no demographic more fragile and in need of special considerations towards their feelings than the aging masculine types. I mean, we typically don’t extend them those special considerations but only because they don’t deserve any.
@Jebbis14 күн бұрын
Unless you actually play AD&D THACO is just Jeopardy knowledge.
@AminWT15 күн бұрын
"...there's always a bigger bully in the schoolyard, and you just met him" sounds so bad*+@, like an 80s action movie quote 😎And it's certainly a life lesson - there's always someone more powerful. Games should be used to entertain and instruct, not as throwing knives and poisoned daggers. Thank you for the great content professor
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for your kind comments.
@JL4YT13 күн бұрын
I can only speak for the people I know that play, but none of them would play/buy/support anything associated with Musk, they stopped supporting Hasbro around the OGL debacle. And I don't know if you personally know people who moved to bluesky to be feel morally superior but everyone I know who has moved just wanted a less political, less botted, less disgusting platform. It's nice to see apolitical jokes and normal conversations again. A lot of people are exhausted by the Left VS Right political screeching seeping into everything - and once Musk become heavily involved in politics, he brings it everywhere he goes.
@sneslive155616 күн бұрын
WotC should lose the license just based on how they've handled video game adaptations. Being overly annoying to some studios who put out good games and other times allowing abominations to release and see the light of day that never should have been.
@katherineberger632916 күн бұрын
WotC doesn't own a license. They own the PROPERTY.
@HolidayHowlett15 күн бұрын
Was expecting a trash video because no one can be level headed about this topic because politics. Thank you for proving me wrong.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Thank you for your kind reply.
@MaverickFischer15 күн бұрын
Thank you Professor for pointing the parts of ethics that people pretend to care about, but end up looking the other way.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
We all imagine we are Frodo or Aragorn. But in the end, we are all Deathbringer.
@MaverickFischer15 күн бұрын
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 True! True! LOL
@commiedeer15 күн бұрын
@@DUNGEONCRAFT1 YES!
@RockinBobXYZ15 күн бұрын
In the real world (as opposed to online) most people don’t even pretend to care. It doesn’t matter who owns Hasbro or how they license D&D. Most people just want to play a silly elf game, and don’t give a moment’s thought to any of the stuff that get terminally online culture warriors worked up about. I’d wager most who play D&D out in the wild don’t even know who or what WotC is, any more than they could name the film studio who made Gladiator 2.
@demnix621015 күн бұрын
Hmmm, the difference is I couldnt tell you the names of ceos of companies i buy things from, but if it was frontline news that they were hate mongering billonaires that publicly trash people i care about, I'd choose accordling. So yeah, if he does end up buying it, i wont spend my money on it.
@johnnyhath14 күн бұрын
What a great intro! Hahahaha. Ahhh good golly do I enjoy this channel. A lot of channels I follow get stale after watching for a year or so, meanwhile Professor DM keeps making Dungeon Craft more and more enjoyable.
@gregoryfloriolli903115 күн бұрын
A lot of people have made fun of Jaguar’s rebranding with their ad but that ad with its content, tone, and color scheme is consistent with half the artwork in the 2024 PHB.
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
For a great analysis of Jaguar's rebranding, check out the "Ministry of Car" YT channel. That guy also worked for P&G and he has deep insights into why corporations do what they do.
@joshuasmith822715 күн бұрын
Well.... This is how you get another dark sun
@phoenix-ardjin16 күн бұрын
Remember, the last scandal with Wizards when they tried to place copyright on products of dungeon masters who make money from them? Players defended freedom that time but they will just do it again in the future. Then would have a chance to lose dnd as language for communication again.
@DahVoozel15 күн бұрын
Is this why Musk states he would buy Hasbro?
@TheTerrainWizard15 күн бұрын
Times are different now. Many of the KZbinrs who originally complained and caused DnD Beyond to lose revenue have been bought off. Since the OGL debacle many “D&D influencers” have either been hired as freelance creators or have been sponsored by Lego, and/or WOTC.
@jeremynowak280015 күн бұрын
Wish that was the last scandal but sadly it is not.
@JCarlHenderson15 күн бұрын
@@DahVoozel He never said he would buy Hasbro. He just made a four word tweet "How much is Hasbro?". Personally, I think he's trolling. I could be wrong, though.
@funTimesInTheSun15 күн бұрын
He would fire all the artists and writers and replace them with AI.
@davencarter365815 күн бұрын
Thanks for making videos! I love dungeon craft!!
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
I love you!
@lockmuertos15 күн бұрын
This is the Fairest, most Nuanced, and least political or otherwise "I hate musk" response I've heard yet on this. Much respect for you, sir!
@nukeomatic15 күн бұрын
There’s always a bigger bully in the schoolyard - excellent point.
@ItsDeffoScott15 күн бұрын
Who is being bullied here? Lol...
@spaceranger768315 күн бұрын
No sympathy for Tondro, WotC, or anyone else over there. Their open hatred for their long-term audience is as baffling as it is self-destructive. I get wanting to appeal to a younger client base, but virtually no company in my lifetime has ever been so proudly contemptuous of the people who were otherwise ready and willing to give them money now. They basically are shooting the "one in the hand" hoping that they are impressing the "two in the bush." I wish them all of the failure that usually comes from that way of behaving.
@katherineberger632915 күн бұрын
A toy company does not have a long-term audience. Period. A toy company's audience starts paying attention between age 4-7 and goes away at age 18-25. If you're not in that window, you are at best a periphery demographic.
@Alex_Anti15 күн бұрын
@@katherineberger6329 How do you think buy the toys for the kids?
@NemoDtwenty15 күн бұрын
No wonder their sales are crap and they are getting their employees laid off by the hundreds. Hopefully Tondro is next.
@NemoDtwenty15 күн бұрын
@@katherineberger6329 D&D isn't a toy. Who do you think has income to buy all this Wizards garbage if I were actually inclined to do so, which Im not.
@spaceranger768315 күн бұрын
@@katherineberger6329 I don't think that's quite right. There are quite a few people outside your age ranges who actively collect toys or buy some out of nostalgia. Or, in the case of TTRPGs, to actively use them. Google the so-called "Peter Pan market."
@robertmcdaris759115 күн бұрын
I left the relationship with D&D long ago. I have introduced my sons to Harnmaster, and they have loved the brutal and realistic gameplay. As far as Elon Musk buying WotC or Hasbro, I doubt that he would. I believe it was a joke. If I were a multi-billionaire, I would throw jokes like "How much is Hasbro?" Musk has an odd sense of humor.
@FR0STBL0D11 күн бұрын
What would you expect from someone who supports fascists (like Björn Höcke).
@whearts15 күн бұрын
2:25 Please buy it. I am all for that. I loved the Greyhawk settings. Dragonlance, not so much. Why do we not have a Spell Jammer online game? Even a stand alone would be nice. We have games like Star Trek Online, Eve Online, for a little bit Battlestar Galactica. Re skin the ships and write the storyline.
@commonweakness906014 күн бұрын
Solid well thought out video. Whether or not E. buys H., I would love for D&D to have some fresh blood in the leadership. Somebody who understands the past and embraces the future. GROGNARDS UNITE!!!
@DUNGEONCRAFT114 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@dicecrazydude15 күн бұрын
07:25 when lots of truth starts being dropped
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@surlycanadian16 күн бұрын
10:18. Let’s not use prices during the Black Friday weekend to try to make a point that products are being liquidated out of desperation. The Art and Making of Arcane book is also currently 40% off.
@HereComeMrCee-Jay15 күн бұрын
LIQUIDATED
@DarkErdrick14 күн бұрын
Agreed. Bit misleading to imply the book's price is being dropped due to lack of sales, and not say, THE BIGGEST SALES PERIOD OF THE YEAR. C'mon PDM, you're better than that.
@brandonvoice894113 күн бұрын
@@DarkErdrickhe's really not Almost all his videos that appear to my feed are completely click bait, and he clearly caters to specific audience with his half truths about what is being reported on the news. I literally have to Google what he's talking about to get the real story.
@funTimesInTheSun15 күн бұрын
I’m definitely sticking with other game systems. I’ve been pretty disappointed of Hasbro and this would be even worse.
@JediMasterPhilip13 күн бұрын
This kind of reminds me of the whole OGL debacle a couple years ago. Thank you for reporting the actual news. Earned a sub.
@bravo320zf15 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this video. The level headed view of these kinds of subjects is one of the reasons why I love watching your videos. Between the crafting videos and some heavy topics like this I feel like you really know how to present the subject in a good way.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
I really appreciate your kind words, thank you.
@TheBigDanois15 күн бұрын
We play Fridays. Even if Vladimir Putin and Elvis buy D&D and call it Hamburger land.
@RobotsLoveTechno15 күн бұрын
I’m already looking forward to Hamburger Land 2e
@SuperDuperHappyTime14 күн бұрын
@@RobotsLoveTechno Hamburger land 2e is a trash system. My table is going to keep playing 1e.
@DrFranklynAnderson15 күн бұрын
“Thaco the Gatekeeping Clown”?? I started less than five years ago, and even I find that rude!
@ClockMonsterLA16 күн бұрын
D&D has been part of the culture wars, in one form or another, since its initial explosion of popularity in the early 1980s. First it was the target of the Satanic Panic where condemnation from fundamentalist Christians ironically made it even more popular. TSR eventually caved to the pressure and, for example, changed demons and devils to tanar’ri and baatezu respectively so as to appease the angry parental groups that were thought to potentially stand in the way of the game's ongoing success. That was the first step on a somewhat slippery slope, and one could argue that this policy of appeasement found its apex form in the 2024 edition of the game with changes made to align with contemporary progressive ideals. Musk's threat to buy Hasbro is just the next salvo in these culture wars. But what would he do if he had control of D&D? Demand yet another new edition be designed and published under some kind of "Make D&D Great Again" banner?
@DahVoozel15 күн бұрын
So you want race and "half" back in the game? Without them your experience is ruined?
@warlockEd7315 күн бұрын
@@DahVoozelyes, it is
@warlockEd7315 күн бұрын
The Satanic Panic, which I remember well, did not, in fact, make D&D more popular. It drove it underground and helped to create an atmosphere where even mentioning that you play D&D tantamount to social suicide. TSR did what they thought they needed to do to keep the game alive. It's the blue haired ideologues that have been destroying everything they think is unacceptable about old school D&D, and in predictable fashion attempting to tar anyone who protested as some kind of "phobe". I, for one, hope he does buy it, if for no other reason than to toss all those woke idiots out on the street where they belong.
@marcusaurelius514915 күн бұрын
Now it's anti-White Leftist degenerates in control of both D&D and mainstream media.
@justinsellers940215 күн бұрын
It's funny that these guys never studied economics. They seem to believe that we will buy anything they produce, but the fact is they control supply, not demand. We control the important half of the equation.
@okamichamploo14 күн бұрын
I really appreciate the way you break down the facts of situations like this and present things in a fair and balanced manner. We need more people examining issues like without the tribal warfare often associated with these discussions.
@bernardobica779716 күн бұрын
I don't think he will, but I would find it hilarious 😂😂😂 on one hand I'm not a fan of Musk, however I miss the feeling of the old D&D settings, so we'll see
@shaneriggs667816 күн бұрын
Him buying it would drive away all the activist grifters trying to use dungeons and dragons as a progressive activist soapbox and battleground in the culture wars, so it would be a vast improvement if he bought dungeons and dragons
@angelalewis364516 күн бұрын
@@shaneriggs6678 💯
@MarcosElMalo215 күн бұрын
@@shaneriggs6678 What activist grifters are doing the things you claim? 😂 You’re projecting your fears onto a game in your obsessive search for outrage.
@squeaky876115 күн бұрын
@@shaneriggs6678 are you implying that Elon Musk isn't an activist grifter (just a far right one?)
@mmftg16 күн бұрын
The only thing that could make me like Hasbro less is if Elon bought it.
@sleepystar163815 күн бұрын
thats alot of hate, talk to someone
@RTristanBanks14 күн бұрын
@@sleepystar1638 that's a lot of simping for a billionaire that does not care about you. Talk to someone
@sleepystar163813 күн бұрын
@@RTristanBanks lol if a man notices a child's temper tantrum, he is a simp an a republican... thats how brainwashed u are, my entire family voted Trump except me cause i think both sides are dumb, yet u accuse me of being stuck it the dialectic bs? i just think someone with 70 iq(Elon) is smarter than someone with 50 iq(Hasbro). He isn't suppose to change it he is suppose to sell the best product for the cheapest amount, like a Mcdonalds manager. thats how i feel about him.
@sleepystar163813 күн бұрын
@@RTristanBanks lol if a man notices a child's temper tantrum, he is a simp an a republican... thats how brainwashed u are, my entire family voted Trump except me cause i think both sides are dumb, yet u accuse me of being stuck it the dialectic bs? i just think someone with 70 iq(Elon) is smarter than someone with 50 iq(Hasbro). He isn't suppose to change it he is suppose to sell the best product for the cheapest amount, like a Mcdonalds manager.
@sleepystar163813 күн бұрын
@@RTristanBanks lol if a man notices a child's temper tantrum, he is a simp an a republican... thats how brainwashed u are, my entire family voted Trump except me cause i think both sides are dumb, yet u accuse me of being stuck it the dialectic bs? i just think someone with 70 iq(Elon) is smarter than someone with 50 iq(Hasbro). He isn't suppose to change it he is suppose to sell the best product for the cheapest amount, like a Mcdonalds manager.
@MojoPenguin15 күн бұрын
Twitter was $44B it's now $9B he can tank DnD too don't worry. LMAO
@TheTerrainWizard15 күн бұрын
It doesn’t matter how much money Elon Musk loses, as the U.S.A. Government will continue to fund his corporate welfare. Just do a Google search to learn how many billions of tax dollars Elon Musk has been given by Congress.
@zasshulad261915 күн бұрын
It's not even a publicly traded company that's just an evaluation from another business.
@inuendo636515 күн бұрын
@@TheTerrainWizardand his sugar daddy Trump is going to give him even more in January
@kentonbaird172315 күн бұрын
"I don't think it was indented as a slight" Context is king; it was.
@Svartalf1414 күн бұрын
in French, "grognard" means a member of the old guard, an elite veteran, and it's definitely a positive term to apply to any group
@sullyb2351116 күн бұрын
He can, and he most likely will. Why? Who knows. He may make it even more "corporate." I agree that many will not leave the game. Personally, I think that you are correct: most people will not jump ship.
@averagegatsby16 күн бұрын
If Musk buys Hasbro, or at least DnD from Hasbro, I will not destroy or stop using anything I have from them... I will however stop buying from them going forward. I'm fine if that makes me a hypocrite, I really don't like Elon Musk. And I'm not going to do anything that might contribute to his net worth increasing.
@3nertia16 күн бұрын
Depends what you mean by "jump ship". I still love D&D but I haven't bought a Hasbro/WotC product in ages now ...
@surlycanadian16 күн бұрын
The profit margins on these companies is so small that they don’t need to lose most customers to go bankrupt. If WotC lost 30% of their revenue due to a minority exodus, they’re running on losses. Not sure what him buying the company would do to shareholders, but if they’re still there, he would be legally liable to them for their losses under his leadership. They’d lose a lot more than that of course, because he would likely immediately get started on cancelling all “woke” books and having a non-woke team of writers remake everything. So they’d lose all that money from costs of printing and sales of recalled and destroyed books and spend another god knows how much to re-develop the game and replace all of the recalled books. Then of course most of the 3rd party stuff is made by people who would be considered “woke” so a lot of them would stop making stuff for DnD and musk would also try to undo the open license to prevent others from making woke 3rd party supplemental material. He’d start using AI on all of the products because he just loves AI and he wouldn’t cave to public pressure to pay artists and writers because he’s so arrogant. the two biggest scandals Wizards has faced in the last 3 years is AI art and the OGL. He would be the guy to relight all those fires. But at least there would finally be authorized mechanics for the KKK available from some third party producers.
@Mark-sd4hv15 күн бұрын
He's been talking about making a game company, so owning Has ros IPs could do well in that area
@MrNote-lz7lh15 күн бұрын
@@averagegatsby Even if he makes it so you can play any campaign you with in BG3 level of graphics with an AI DM or campaigns other fans made?
@blindkaiser115 күн бұрын
Once again, a no nonsense take on the relevant issues. No fluff and no bias. Thank you for telling it to us straight. Keep up the good work.
@DUNGEONCRAFT115 күн бұрын
Thanks. I appreciate feedback.
@SneakyNinjaDog16 күн бұрын
I think you are right that the number of "mistakes" or whatever where they end up insulting old fans is mounting up and beginning to look like a pattern. If only they spend as much energy on not doing that as they spend on sensitivity checking their stuff...
@jimlemaux430815 күн бұрын
There was a lot more energy and response to Spelljammer than to THACO. Makes one wonder…
@Q_Cooper15 күн бұрын
When it comes to young people, as a 22 year old I can speak anecdotally, some of the people my age I know hate him due to politics and others admire his desire to advance space travel, most fall in the neutral category and I don't know anyone that left twitter and stayed off after he bought it. Although when it comes to gaming I don't play 5e and almost everyone I play with is more than twice my age, so that crowd may be completely different, but I honestly think it would end up like the OGL, Pinkertons, etc. people online will make a big fuss, it'll hurt WotC in the short term, and some may even go to other systems, but most people will keep buying the books and playing the new editions
@hunterlee441212 күн бұрын
I left twitter long before it was bought and still won't come back. Honestly it looks worse than when I left like google search and video games. I've been playing DND for much of my life and frankly while WotC and Hasbro have always been ruining the game. So did TSR, Paizo, and just about everyone else. Literally nothing could please everyone. If Elon buys it it'll most likely have the same problems. Frankly It'll probably be worse for MTG. Seeing as he is a big fan of slimming down I have no idea what'll happen to whatever remains of play testing. I long ago started playing my own system because I've never met someone who's actually enjoyed playing by the printed rules.
@Q_Cooper12 күн бұрын
@@hunterlee4412 I may have worded it poorly, but my point was I didn't know anyone who left twitter and stayed off because of Musk, and I think the same thing would happen with D&D if he bought it, I do know a few people who left twitter because they realized social media just made them depressed. I agree no matter what you can't please everyone and I've never known a DM that plays exactly RAW, but you can easily avoid antagonizing old fans by not making something like THAC0 the Clown, and you can avoid bad PR by just calling someone who got cards early and asking him to work with you before sending the Pinkertons to harass him. I can't say I'd know much about what would happen to MTG as I haven't played since I was a kid. Personally I'd rather see Larian pick up the game, they clearly love the product and have a lot of good will with fans, plus they are a video gaming company so they could easily pick up on the VTT WotC has been working on.
@ankh7915 күн бұрын
"Being nuanced at my peril" -- pretty much sums up the internet 🤣
@anthonyrenli874015 күн бұрын
The reason I worry about Musk buying Hasbro is almost completely based on his "management decisions" after he bought Twitter. He started making changes, in many cases, based off his own personal gut feelings vs. actually understanding the business. He fired large swaths of the people who actually did the day-to-day work at the company (server admins/content moderators/sales staff/etc.) without a plan of "who will be doing the work after they are gone." Things like "Paying the Bills" and "Keeping servers up and running" got missed. He took one of the most widely known and recognized names in the tech world (Twitter) and re-named it to something that can't be copywritten (you can't copywrite the letter X). His decision to move the corporate headquarters to Texas and told much of the staff in the old California offices "Move or lose your job" - He's almost sure to do the same thing for the current Hasbro and WoTC staff. If you were peeved about Hasbro/WoTC and their layoff announcements - expect more of the same. If you had come up to me back in 2020 before the whole Twitter fiasco, I would have been saying This Seems Like a Good Idea. Since then...that's a big old Nope. (You will note - at NO point in this did I defend Hasbro or WoTC - They have done enough stuff that they do NOT get the benefit of the doubt on their actions. I'm just saying why I think MUSK would be a poor choice for buying them. I don't want him renaming the game Magic and Muskoxen or Grottos and Gygax or simply renaming the game t Dx or something like that just because he likes it more...)
@SilverSidedSquirrel15 күн бұрын
WOW, did you get fired for being dead weight at Twitter muffin?
@anthonyrenli874015 күн бұрын
hahahahah oh, wait, you're serious - let me laugh at you even harder HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH Seriously - did Twitter have dead weight that needed to be let go? Of course - name any large corporation and there will be dead weight. The issue is when you come into a business and use an axe to cut from departments when you should be using a scalpel, it causes problems. He didn't know enough about business operations and used artificial metrics to make cuts. This meant that he "forgot" - I'm sorry "Refused" to pay rent on leased offices in multiple locations. And he's being sued for it and is going to lose those lawsuits. He fired people who did content moderation in the EU even though he was required to have them based off laws in the EU countries that required them. He has showed a tendency to do Ready-Fire-Aim in his business decisions that others have had to come along and clean up after him.
@NemoDtwenty15 күн бұрын
The content moderators aka propaganda pushers were the first ones who needed to be fired from Twitter. And frankly Im not sure there is the slightest bit of talent left at Hipsters of the Coast. You couldnt tell it by anything they've produced in the last 5-7 years.
@GabrielRodriguez-oe9li14 күн бұрын
@@SilverSidedSquirrelElon isn’t going to buy you a horse. You don’t have to keep sucking him off
@anthonyrenli874014 күн бұрын
@@NemoDtwenty Did the content moderation need to be reformed? Sure. BUT as per the European Union's Digital Services Act they were legally REQUIRED to have content moderators who complied with those laws if they wanted to operate in the EU. After bulk firing them he was force to re-hire most of them OR shut down access to the EU. He re-hired them and got egg on his face. Like any other multi-national company, you have to follow the laws and regulations of ALL the countries you will do business. This was him forgetting to check if what he was doing was legal. Like I said - Read, Fire, Aim. Like when he fired almost all of the engineers, sales, and marketing staff for Tesla's Supercharger network and was forced to re-hire almost all of them over the following weeks because Tesla couldn't operate without them. If he had gone in to these situations made surgical cuts he wouldn't have found himself paying out massive severance agreements and THEN being force to hire the same people back...the ones who didn't immediately have jobs waiting for them like a number of the top Engineers from the Supercharger team and ended up with the same headcounts after the fact and been able to pick and choose people a lot better.
@remingtonsloan833116 күн бұрын
Grognard isn't a slur. It's a badge of honor.
@MarcosElMalo215 күн бұрын
The “G-word”. 😂
@frankb334715 күн бұрын
I can't stand Hasbro/WotC. I also can't stand Elon Musk. They deserve each other.
@TheInsaneupsdriver11 күн бұрын
HERE HERE!! i hope he does buy them and both go bankrupt.
@gytfunke14 күн бұрын
You finally pronounced it correctly!!!!! Grognard! Amazing! My life is complete now.
@TheDragonHoard_com16 күн бұрын
This is by FAR the best take on this whole thing
@MugsOfMilk15 күн бұрын
Professor DM, I appreciate you always giving us the mature, informed and genuinely kind human nature you have when approaching the constant updates in the hobby. A true pillar of the community