YES Some of Battle at The Berrics is Staged. (Inside Information) And How I Would Make It Fair

[@ZachDoelling]

It’s true Jamie gave me $50 to take a dive.

[@sepiarain]

You didn't make it easy on him though. 🙏🥰

[@smeegain3657]

Knew it! Zach is the real champ.

[@johneapleseed6876]

Terrible form

[@puppet3668]

He gave you some head 2

[@Mrleahey]

50 bucks 😂

[@SkateNC]

Making defence harder in every way just makes the advantage of going first that much greater. With people practicing less known tricks like they are it will just turn into who goes first wins

[@JohnLeopold]

Agree, defense should have leniency whereas offense should not.

[@bewatermyfriend7355]

Good point, no good idea of him.

[@JaGGeR-]

It's only who goes first wins if they land everything. That's not gonna happen all the time so that's obviously not true. Especially when it comes to the more obscure tricks. Even Jamie messes them up and he's the best at them. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hendrixj.8356]

Offense should alternate each trick so the person who wins Rock Paper Scissors can’t skunk

[@sandhanitizer15]

​@@hendrixj.8356bingo.

[@gregbarg6688]

Dan can you do a video on "off the grid tricks" that you reference. The reason I ask is it seems like this is the "Core" skaters trying to gate keep what can be "proper." It's a lame example - but let's say someone does a kickflip down 10. Someone else wants to do a 360 flip, why? Because it's a harder trick. Then maybe someone wants to do a hardflip. That's harder. At some point to get harder - it gets well, crazy... but they are still harder. Why is there a line where instead of just referencing a trick as harder it gets called "circus?" Seems lame from my laymen opinion... skaters are insecure about it?

[@adamhamre2045]

this 100%, Its so annoying seeing people just complain about the evolution of skateboarding. Like if you're watching a flat ground skate video, to complain about out of the ordinary flat ground tricks..... then what are you watching it for in the first place. It's not like it's more exciting to see someone miss a backside flip or something easy one time out of fifty attempts.

[@ssjneko1]

I couldn’t disagree more about defense tricks having to be done clean. Even before the Berrics was a thing, it was always known that defense would allow toe drags or worse. The sketchy defense landings for people that rarely try those tricks is what makes the games fun to watch. Think of Nyjah landing the nollie lateflip this past season. You would want him to redo that? No, it’s a trick that he can barely do and landing sketchy on defense is perfectly fine, hilarious, and gnarly all in one.

[@DanCorrigan]

It definitely makes for way more exciting matches but my argument is when there is leeway for one person, but that leeway can be adjusted for someone else. Things can get unfair, so drawling a hard line in the sand is actually an equalizer. The excitement of someone landing a trick for the first time all crazy is awesome and a highlight to watch forsure. I’m only speaking on fairness.

[@ssjneko1]

@@DanCorrigan ultimately it's up to the referee. Maybe having just one ref would take care of this or a set of Berrics officials that are better trained. I think this is why Berra reffed all games in the finals, so there could be no questioning it. I think that kind of kills the friends having fun vibe though which you did a good job talking about. Honestly, I can't really think of anything egregious that the refs did or screwed up this past season that really gave an advantage to one person over another. The only calls I can think about is Andy not being allowed to do any Malto manual shit and Joslin vs. Peterson where I agreed with the refs call on the trick being allowed on defense. Either way, I thought "fairness" was never in question and what was in question was some refs leniency vs. others.

[@ReezyResells]

The fact that you referenced Chris Cole versus Dennis Busenitz, which is in my opinion, the best game of Skate ever played at the barracks just proves you know your stuff

[@keithcalhoun6540]

That era was just a whole different universe. I miss it.

[@Bb186fo]

Such an amazing game! Pj vs Prod was definitely up there too!

[@dev_andoru]

1. Unbiased refs 2. Strict toe/heel touch rule for both off and def 3. Pivots/slides should (at least) be less than 90 degrees 4. One tic-tac limit (or some defined rule) 5. Call trick before attempting 6. Both skaters get equal opportunities regardless of who goes first

[@tylerrudd5461]

I think the Berrics should just do the battle anyway they want. Then skaters can decide if they want to be part of that or not. Obviously the best skaters aren’t likely going to win. They don’t spend all that time practicing flat ground tricks. Jamie is the best out of those skaters at that specific type of skating and that’s why he dominates. He can do all the classic tricks too and is crazy consistent. Seems alot of the big name skaters don’t really care. Like it didn’t bother Cole that he didn’t win, but it probably bothered Petterson. Maybe let the skaters actually use the flag and review the trick if they want it to be a serious competition. But I think the Berrics just want views.

[@ashleybrown4754]

They need to do a flatbar game of skate

[@officialmelzz8430]

That would be sick

[@dtothej4044]

Why not have the same ref for all and evey match? Also what i heard was that all things were stacked agianst Jamie yet he still came out on top. Through all the stacked matches to bias reffing and he still had his shine! Chances are he is pretty good at skateboarding, a little better than most.

[@bp4861]

Idk where you got that logic but literally name one sport where the ref is always the same. That's fucking preposterous

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

​@@bp4861some sports have referees that have to pass several tests in front of a tribunal. That makes decisions quite standard, not perfect but close.

[@joshuadansby2874]

If we were to look back in time, Rodney went through this treatment when he was winning contest consistently. The mocked his style, his tricks, clothing & his garage skating isolation but little did they know what he was going to be. Jamie is this generation Rodney in the making. Incredible times & bright future.

[@crab-cake]

​@@joshuadansby2874 jamie is limited to flatground and stairs. rodney was a tech god. they're not even comparable nor remotely close in skill level. jamie is a poor man's aurelien giraud at best. even that is being generous though.

[@Bomberm4n]

Sewa ALWAYS puts 100% pop into every trick. Awesome.

[@onetwo8790]

You're completely right that they love the drama and it will 100 percent get them more views and engagement. As much as i dont care for jamies style if it's for money you gotta bring out the circus tricks. Same for jeffwon. I don't like his style of skating but if he gets in i want him throwing down those triple and double kickflips/heelflips.

[@non_brewed_condiment]

Yo outdoor finals would be an actual gamechanger, I know that's not what you said specifically but addressing the berrics ground is such a good point

[@Unlockingparadoxes]

Much love and respect to you and your channel Dan Corrigan. ♾️❤️‍🔥🛹

[@jamalempfehlung9841]

I had a good friend called Tommy. Tommy told the truth about the berrics and steve berra. I still miss him :‘(

[@sepiarain]

RIP in Peace Tommy.

[@puppet3668]

​@@sepiarain😂😂😂😂😂

[@romeisfallingagain]

@@sepiarain berra the hitman

[@joshuadansby2874]

If we were to look back in time, Rodney went through this treatment when he was winning contest consistently. The mocked his style, his tricks, clothing & his garage skating isolation but little did they know what he was going to be. Jamie is this generation Rodney in the making. Incredible times & bright future.

[@skaterhugs1147]

dude, settle down. Rodney Mullen invented the fundamental tricks that are accessible to people who have been skating 1-2 years and did just about every trick Jamie does. Jamie hasn't invented any tricks and you have to have been skating for 5+ years to even begin attempting them. Do not compare the two.

[@verseludes]

​@@skaterhugs1147Agree. I think Jamie actually is the best example of what Dan was mentioning in the beginning of the video

[@phakoo23]

During COVID, Busenitz and Reese Forbes showed up at my park and I got to shred with them for hours. I learned that day why Dennis is your favorite skater. He had never been there, but rolled in like he poured the fucking concrete, just radiating glee and happiness. Some of those COViD days were truly gifts!

[@gdoliner]

Dan! I like that you are open with your opinion, but I do enjoy all the esoteric tricks being showcased. I agree they could raise the bar for the quality of the landings. I want to see an all late flip Dan video, come on!!!!!

[@scottkeenan6339]

Dan do the world of skateboarding a favor and make a true skate competition that can't be rigged.

[@TheBlakus420]

We can dream, I suppose..

[@hospitalheel]

maybe in a decade these unique tricks will be done as often as forward flips and pressure flips are now or else we will all be doing the same tricks and nothing creative

[@Eve.with.a.Y]

call it Core Again, alternate hosting it on the west coast and east coast every year so skaters from both sides can get home court advantage, super strict rules for what counts, I would watch in a heartbeat

[@TheBlakus420]

@@Eve.with.a.Y That sounds pretty sick, yo!

[@jollywolly2571]

The reality here is that skateboarding is progressing at an alarming rate and Jamie IS spearheading that progress. He has developed an unprecedent level of control and with the rules simply being "I do a trick, now you do it"; it just goes to show that there might need to be a new set of rules - like a BATB+ in which it is turn-by-turn in rotation. Dan does a trick, I land it. Now it's my turn to do a trick, Dan lands it, and so on. I would like to see how that play out rather than one skater getting the opportunity to clean house on a roshambo. I don't like the idea Jamie is getting some harsh critique lately for being an artist with gravity. But in the same breath I see how he might actually be the very one who might break BATB. It's not like Berra and Koston can just keep adding rules like "no Jamie Griffin Circus Shit" because, well it isn't "circus shit", and I will reject that statement every time, it's talent. Pure hard work and effort put into skateboarding. If Berra and Koston need to look at how they want to make this contest fair and not simply by adding a bunch of 'rules' that don't really define anything other than putting up barriers to stop one person from simply winning non stop. That's my two pennies.

[@Spartan-301st]

Awesome points and I agree. Turn by turn offense would solve a lot of the quick elims. And also, Jamie is by definition a MASTER of flatground! If someone wants to beat him, don’t go through the motions of kickflip stances. Go in your garage and evolve the sport and art form like he is.

[@neonblack211]

Jamie is sick, anyone who thinks otherwise may they rot in hell :P j/k

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

The biggest and easiest change they could make is to have the same single referee in each game who actually follows the rules and stays consistent in the judging

[@Johnjds]

Just sitting on the table waiting for anyone to take the concept and do it legit. The bar is so low, it’s just waiting for the SLS treatment.

[@daniel_yeager]

BATB needs the new circus tricks. We've seen the same tricks every year and every skater can do them. I agree with you about having a set bar and standard for tricks on both sides.

[@CoBbulletFlames]

Full park battle at the berrics needs to happen at the new park. One of each, one flat ground, one full park.

[@adamhamre2045]

Can we get away from categorizing late flips, cancel stuff, pressure flips, double/ triple variations etc as "garbage" or "circus" tricks. Like if we are just doing straight eight of kickflip, heelflip, tre flip, backside flip etc... those games are so much more boring to watch, and it's not really pushing the envelope of what flat ground can be. I know I don't speak for everyone, but I don't think we want to see a bracket of 32 people doing the exact same 20-30 tricks just because someone misses a frontside/backside variation of the basic tricks we always see, even in person at our local skateparks. The whole reason I personally enjoy watching games of skate is to see on the spot how crazy these flat ground tricks can get, it shows who puts the work in, and who doesn't.

[@hospitalheel]

its just old people afraid of change. anyone around 20 or under can appreciate the difficulty of odd tricks disregarding the appearance

[@BryanArnett]

Jeff in 2024 needs to happen

[@DanCorrigan]

Huge facts

[@Roachhub]

I think finals should take place on some Midwest tennis courts, cold , cracks/pebbles everywhere. These are “the best flat ground skaters in the world” the raw street shouldn’t be an issue plus it gives the viewer something to relate to not everyone has perfect ground

[@DanCorrigan]

I fully back this

[@ilftc8892]

hey dan, can you please show us all your circus tricks..... maybe tell us why you dislike certain tricks

[@willblackett4709]

They should have to do the trick olling over a board or a wee gap

[@derfmode]

Did you watch the game between Jamie and Tyler? It was pretty fucking gnarly. TONS of normal tricks, and even letters on basics… but also had the madness. Was the best game of the night by far. Pretty long one too

[@nol3231]

One of the best games ever

[@JaGGeR-]

​@@nol3231it absolutely was not. Not even close. PJ Ladd vs Moose BATB 6, Dennis Busenitz vs Chris Cole, any PJ vs P-Rod, I can pick better games literally all day

[@nol3231]

@@JaGGeR- that’s the beauty of opinions. It’s all subjective. I said ONE of the best, that could mean top ten or top hundred game.

[@readkauppinen1814]

Thank you for ur insight dan

[@ashiecuhcuh7478]

Yaeh doing doing doing, poor style, the circe du ... analogy is a genius comparisson. You are brilliant thanks always for your insights applicable to everything.😊😊😊

[@DanCorrigan]

My pleasure!

[@fademusic1980]

you should have to call your trick before hand so you don't get situations like jamie griffin doing that "late shuv" against zach that was clearly a forward flip attempt.

[@ZorlanOtterby]

I think the main thing that would make it more "fair" would be to run it like a normal contest: the whole thing has to happen over a single weekend, all the contestants are present at the same time, brackets are ACTUALLY set ahead of time, they have a team of three refs positioned at different angles, and the same three refs work every battle. IMO, all the rule tweaks in the world won't help if the basic organization of the contest is a clusterf***. But I also think that all of that is treating BATB like a serious contest when it isn't. It's an ad-revenue machine for The Berrics.

[@jagutichsachma]

But where do you draw the line? Is Sewa already too out there? Cepeda? Koston doing a pressure flip?

[@joshuaciccoricco2947]

I think they definitely need a rule for properness of 360 tricks. 180 Pivot 180 around definitely shouldn't count. No toe drags would make defense harder, but I think it would overall be a better game to just eliminate them. To eliminate ad for whoever starts first, just put in a rule where each person has to get a lead at some point in the match. So basically if you hit SKAT and never had a lead, the places switch. Something like that. IDK. I still find them enjoyable, watched every one, but they definitely could be better and i agree with your take 100%.

[@hospitalheel]

in 10 years these odd tricks will be as normal as pressure flips and forward flips have gotten

[@buuuuuddyy3338]

I liked that, for everyone involved, it would just be better. Honestly they could just have a poll, have the people discuss it and not do much work about it still, but you’re right.

[@Spartan-301st]

As an “outsider” i.e. someone newer to skating who may be more flexible in his opinions, I think Dan’s opinions re: “circus tricks” are somewhat faded. Respectfully!! If I’m watching a competition to judge a master of flatground skating, I want to see the natural progression of the sport and the art form. I want to see gnarly cancel flips and late flips and weird, new variations to things we’ve never seen. Are the entry tricks good for setting a mood? Sure. But I don’t need to watch 20 Berrics matches with every kickflip then heelflip variation in each. The points re: judging are spot on though!! They try to ride the line of casual/goofy competition (all the Powell team being involved, Val reading the rules, random judges from whoever showed up), but it is starting to interfere with the actual competition. They need hard standards for landing cleanly (especially because I’m down with the weirder stuff) and using challenges or replay.

[@bryanhunt0322]

i think they should implement a speed limit. you have to do your trick at a certain mpg like 7 or something

[@DanCorrigan]

Haha I kinda love that

[@bryanhunt0322]

you should get a radar gun and play a game of skate for a video!@@DanCorrigan

[@TheMissingno]

As others have mentioned, leeway for defense is a game design decision, defense needs to be stronger so that winning RPS isn't as big of an advantage. However, I do agree with you, especially about Tyler's toe drag. There's no rule that explicitly says you are allowed to toe drag on defense, his toe drag in that case was huge and egregious, even under the "leniency to defense" rule that could have been a redo, but the rule is (intentionally?) vague, so either way could be justified. Even with leniency to defense going first still has an advantage, but there are other solutions to this problem. In Chess, the white pieces have an advantage because they go first, so they play multiple games where each side gets to start as white an equal number of times. The same could be done here, play 2 games, one side starting on offense each time. That would make matches go on longer, but combine that with a higher quality standard for defense and it might even out a bit.

[@ShadowTheStrayCat]

Love the sit down and talk videos recently, keep crushing it Dan!!

[@itmeurdad]

Haven't had time to finish yet, but give us a break, Dan. What'll you claim next, Dan? Is the WWE scripted too, Dan? Now that I've finished, I mostly agree with your points and some of your suggestions. I think the judging is the biggest gap/flaw. It's a hard problem to solve though because the whole "vibe" is "the ultimate SKATE game at the park with the boys. The entire event straddles this line between professional and informal, and frankly they need to just pick a lane.

[@garrettvnc]

Bro said Dan 3 times at once

[@itmeurdad]

​@@garrettvncthat's the joke, Dan.

[@garrettvnc]

@@itmeurdad flew right over my head lol

[@fwlipem]

Dan, i respect you a lot and agree with a large part of what you said. that being set, just like happened to Bryan Arnett, i can see your name blacklisted or people denying your entry there upon the allegation of "banning". not that it is a real problem to you but i can really visualize this happening in a short term. agreed, specially that they have to take this more seriously. make the things a bit "fairer" (?), even though we all know they are NOT going to do this. thanks for standing up to your (in my case, our) point of view. much love, dude.

[@gooseallie4417]

My favorite was when cole pushed and the crowd went crazy but when anyone else went it was silent hahaha

[@TheCPerla]

what do you think about the rumors about Bryan Arnett getting banned from the Berrics for talking shit about the BATB?

[@DanCorrigan]

I could see that. I don’t think he really cares either tho haha

[@arthurtcherkezian356]

What the f HAppened to your teeth ahahaha

[@joupscott]

I like the Mono a Mono format where they switch who sets trick each turn.

[@BrandonOfJapan]

Itd be nice if they filled the bracket with people that actually wanted to compete competitively in a competition.

[@dannyschaible7112]

I find my self disagreeing with the outcome too much, going back and rewatching segments just to argue with my tv. Nah, I came to this conclusion a while ago. All faked for drama and views, you are right.

[@Matt_M_again]

Tricks shouldn't be available to attempt until unlocked by a shared skill tree for the skaters. Maybe start with kickflip, shove, and heel, then work from there. Like both a kickflip and 360 shuv must be completed before a skater attempts a tre. Have the skill tree projected up on a screen so the skaters can see what's available for play.

[@Wabby21]

I completely agree and understand what you’re getting at about these strictly flat ground skaters and it not being the same BUT think of what this means in the long term bigger picture. Pros in the next 10-20 years will now end up seeing what is possible and will end up learning how to do these crazy weird late flip pretzel shit down stairs, on ledges and down rails! In the long run it’ll push skateboarding to crazy new levels IMO.

[@MultitaskingGuy]

12:09 wat if they did a skate league where there’s a game of skate every week for people to get a chance at march madness (batb) and every week somebody goes home with $100 and a step towards the big time

[@existenz3883]

you look young and old at the same time.

[@greenthirteen1234]

I love hanging out with Dan

[@brandonritchie106]

Jeff Dechesare would be awesome to see in BATB, they should of put him in last year too, I feel like slot of the pros they put in it don’t care as much as some of the other guys do, especially the ones who are established, so I think putting some new faces in there would be nice

[@LetMeSee333]

He beat Jamie in an unsanctioned match fast to right after he won the first battle at the berrics

[@AL_KING777]

What I think you meant about defense has a hidden variable, as not all judges judge the same trick, the same.

[@romeisfallingagain]

what is legion of doom?

[@streetratmusic]

Guys like Luan are definitely the exception and it shows in Batb viewership metrics and comments sections of any of his games (regardless of whether or not he wins)

[@EarlGreyTeaR6]

you hit the nail on the head with this one, I hope they invite more skaters known for their flatground talent like Jeff, Spencer Barton, Chris Chan, and Dylan Jaeb

[@bakednerd]

Maybe tricks should be done over a gap or down a curb or something, then you'd have no choice but to have a certain amount of speed and pop a certain height and go a certain way. but games of skate have been around since forever now so gonna be hard to make changes to it. its like a tradition. lol

[@Dave3rdEyeArt]

I think some are planted to make the finals, Tyler was in the legion of doom instead of a second match? After round 1 it got weird this year

[@HENNOZINGER]

They also should take 1 ref only for the whole thing

[@rovingmauler7410]

I’ve legitimately never seen Jeffwon Song pop any trick. If it’s about doing tricks well, he’d have to redo every trick.

[@TheBlakeEverhart]

Now that BATB is a sought after title, it’s not that good of a competition. It's a flawed game where hyper-specialized tricks have an insane advantage. It's heading towards becoming a rock paper scissors comp at this point. I say they scrap it and try something totally different.

[@brandonritchie106]

I agree with you to an extent, the part I disagree with is the defense argument, I don’t think they should be able to drag there feet across the ground like we seen this season, but a slight tick tack or little power turn is okay on defense I think, now I’m not saying 180 to power slide 180 is okay for 360s, they should at least rotate 270, in that range, with the technology we have we should be able to replay tricks, even on offense to see if no feet touched, and there wasn’t to much slide, but saying the have to land perfectly is a little much, obviously on offense it should be clean, but at the end of the day we all can say what we want, but I’m most certain nothing is going to change, I did see some good changes in the finals which I liked, and honestly like Berra as a judge, that’s a good point about the judging, the switch back heel call shouldn’t have been made, Joslin could’ve maybe won that game if it wasn’t for that call, as far as the skaters strategy I think a lot of them realize these days giving up offense could cost you, so unfortunately you’re gonna see people going for the throat, which I’m not mad at, it makes for an exciting game, I do love a back and forth long game of skate, but as we goon the games will most likely shorten because the flat ground level is so high, some of these dudes are so hard to beat and they know that so can’t blame them for doing that they do

[@DarmokAtTanagra]

I think pretty much any "pro" KZbin skater could produce and edit a better BATB than what the Berrics is slapping together and throwing out. 35 mins of pre-recorded vids shoehorned at the beginning of the broadcast, spontaneous "banter", I get it, skaters are like "whatever" vibes, but a bit too much "whatever" for an event a lot of people watch

[@romeisfallingagain]

30 min pre stream countdown too

[@heladionunez1735]

Hey yo Dan , I heard the Berrics is getting a new building ?

[@BrandenLaCour]

On point with all your thoughts! Proper click bait as well 😜👌

[@klubstompers]

If your opponent doesn't show, you should win. If you practice to play someone, but then have to play someone else because your opponent didn't show, that's not cool.

[@DanCorrigan]

I agree it sucks when the person you’re supposed to play gets hurt but everyone else has to beat someone to advance. I think it’s unfair if some people dont

[@klubstompers]

​@@DanCorrigan Yea i hear that, but say someone were to hop in at round 3, win, and move on. That's more unfair to everyone who had to climb the ladder and earn their spot.

[@Bubble33333]

Ever since they robbed Chris Joslin in his last match i stopped caring for batb.

[@garrettnikitin1671]

Dumb data has been saying this for well over a year

[@syph5646]

idk about judging defense tricks that harshly.When someone lands a dumb gimmick trick for the first time ever and does it horribly it's a pretty exciting moment.

[@justachillguy000]

Never will be fair as long as they let brands dictate games, everything about money everything revolves around money

[@localjoe]

Somebody needs to start another Game of Skate tourney with the top street skaters not top flatground skaters. Monsters Redbull where you at?

[@DjLaserShark]

Did Andy throw his game against Holt?

[@lamBETTERthanY0U]

There was zero insider information

[@tdawes33]

circus olé! can we rename it that please

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

the footage of when Jamie was mobbed looked like a hired 'flash mob' group.

[@fwlipem]

​@@ishwavhe getting there "undercover" (of course them guys knew that he went there but they allowed just for the drama sake) was hillarious. jack meoph

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

@@ishwav 😂 even the tubby black guy who attacked Jamie ? 😅

[@romeisfallingagain]

thought they were jacking his ring lol

[@bakuninRogers]

When are they gonna ditch those cringy rules at the start of every match?

[@Ejazzle]

I really wish it would go back to our favorite pro skaters playing skate.

[@willblackett4709]

I think Zach could have done way better if he had a better draw

[@slep5039]

still wouldn't have beat Jamie in the finals, but probably

[@fudeiq]

translation: my favorite skater lost to some kid lets make new rules

[@leost152]

A 2 out of 3 skate game could be nice, it could leave room for more different tricks and exciting returns, plus it would be more lucrative.

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

@0:40 - I call it the Cirque Du Soiled 😅

[@iainpg]

Dan I agree on the reffing , it's become a great professional annual event , I'd like to see a world series game of skate to broaden access to all skaters. However I disagree with the circus and goofy tricks comments in a big way, these tricks make skateboarding fun and push skating We all agree that flat ground is the essence of street and park and the progression is real so let them keep pushing instead of following the staple run of the mill tricks we have seen so often

[@shmooveyea]

Points: No. When you don't show up for your match you forfeit your match. Every single sport in the world in a KO bracket works like this. If a team refuses to go onto the field they forfeit. The Legion of Doom just makes this a little more fun, we all know it's fake and they aren't going to let 20 dudes advance. Your solution is actually so bizarre and confusing. Agree on the sketch, the rules are there, and there's no point in reading them unless they are enforced. We can't expect the people toe-dragging to call themselves into account either, that's why there is supposed to be a ref. Battle at the Berrics should be in the Berrics, that's the name of. That's the entire thing. You counter your point moments later saying Jamie is good enough to figure out any ground... He doesn't skate at the Berrics ever, yet wins. Kinda seems the entire thing rests on proper refs and enforcing their own rules. Reasonable fix

[@skatedadcanada]

Alternate title: "Ron, Dom, Tom and Grom do Circus Ole" 🤣

[@DanCorrigan]

I like this title more then my own haah

[@sethmoyer130]

The finals should be outdoor at night

[@wrimbles]

The one thing that makes watching BatB difficult for me is how shamelessly they flaunt their wealth and prestige, then they act like they're all humble and fun and shit. They do not HAVE to shove famous people in front of the camera (seating Kareem on the concrete floor front and center the whole time, that Pharrell ad, etc.) just to show off their connections, they don't HAVE to get diamond Prada rings as prizes, they do that shit intentionally. I don't know what the deal is with that but it just feels like they're shamelessly showing off. It's like they want US to think BatB is the Super Bowl, and they're going to structure it like the Super Bowl and run ads and montages and do the cringe Kiss-Cam thing, and then... THEY don't treat it like the Super Bowl, they treat it like we're all just chillin at the skate park... It's a fucking weird vibe.

[@LilHomieColt]

100% agree with you Dan

[@MallGrabtheClown]

"Circus tricks" says a post street Mullen skater... 😂 Let's have a pre-1990 BATB where Ray Barbee destroys everyone...

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

Love Ray Barbee skateboarding. In BATB I can see people training no complyfs revert 540varial underflip😂. I call batb the flip battle.

[@MallGrabtheClown]

@@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 I'm one of those weirdos that wonders what street skating would be if Rocco and Mullen hadn't taken over. Unlike most 80's skaters I always liked freestyle skateboarding but freestyle across a manual pad is still freestyle it is not street... maybe they should call it "Plaza" skating... 😜

[@JostenDooley]

Agreed 100% with this video and its annoying when they clearly pick their favorites to win it all. Same with the bs calls and etc.

[@SelvedgeWes]

What about that a young kid Julian judge??? Not cool!!

[@MultitaskingGuy]

3:31 it sounds like vikydiss from semi pro

[@clydeellis6634]

Dude I am feeling the same way I was so bummed this season I thought it was gonna be cole vs griffin

[@FreditsSB]

Have u been on The nine club ?

[@xfreedombuckO5x]

Maybe a double elimination bracket

[@Darrinwilliamsmedia]

You’re right man. BATB would be so much better if they were doing easier tricks by people less talented at flat 💯.

[@joeferruccio4018]

think you should have to drop in and then pop before a line, to regulate speed..

[@AlexNiedt]

The dudes doing gross circus tricks have really turned me off from BATB over the past couple seasons, but I see a lot of people love watching floppy triple flips, 540 shove-its, etc. 🤷‍♂ Also 100% agree that finals should be on blacktop