I was a big fan, but stopped watching SerpentZA & Laowhy86 (& Not for the reason you think)

[@cika299]

Surprised at the amount of backlash you’ve received from this video. For me, it was just the extreme negativity and how the podcast episodes essentially went over the same points over and over.

[@Y2J]

Yeah the first 6 months after I published this video, all the fanboys came to this video and went straight into calling me a shill and nonsense like that. It's not surprising, because when you make videos that are all negative about an organisation... you cultivate an audience of negative people who are looking for an enemy, looking for a demon, and they do a good job of doing nothing but critisizing the chinese govt....and nothing else. But as time has gone on, I've found the people that comment on this video nowadays are more neutrally minded, objective people... who see this situation for what it really is... which is these guys have simply found a clickbait formula that works and they get clicks and views and likes.... and thus revenue. That's all fine until such time as fickle KZbin decides oneday it's going to start demonetising political content since it's "controversial". Certain types of content (like gun videos) have been demonetised in the past and it's possible it'll happen again. It's not unlikely as these 2 guys have already had demonetization problems on political videos already. And when that happens... what then? have to rely 100% on patrons? Your income will be drastically cut. Then you start asking yourself the questions I ask in this video like "Is this really worth it" and "Is this a life well lived?". Then mabey you burnout and end up go getting an ordinary job again.

[@kayoss8787]

Got it so you are more the bury your head in the sand and go lalala and sorry if the harvest of organs of the Falun Gong (btw this is the correct spelling) wasn’t fun for you… activism isn’t your thing can I swap you for a Chinese or Russian dissident who isn’t so apathetic 😑 Sorry but your lazy apathy isn’t a them problem it’s a you problem… and Putin comes knocking just tell him you aren’t interested you prefer fluff entertainment. What a waste of uk fight against evil so that their descendants can be “carry on” and last time I checked the most searched topic after brexit was: “what’s an eu?!” I guess you have company in the 🙈🤦‍♀️🙉🙊 so how about this if you don’t care about politics then do just that. This is not an airport you don’t have to announce your arrival and departure from giving a 💩. Just go 👋

[@kennethone6687]

@@Y2J i totally agree with you and this video is really similar to my experience with those youtubers.

[@unifieddynasty]

I was a fan of theirs when they had sub 10k subscribers. They were a lot more fair back then and quite a bit less political. When they made criticisms, the criticisms held broad appeal and it was easy to agree with them. When they moved to America, I thought they would vent for a year or two and then return to making more balanced content. But they've kept on going to the extreme. Now their content is indistinguishable from Falungong and alphabet agency media.

[@ceglastymonster7799]

They all the time point out that they love chinese people but hate current govenrmant, this shows that their channel is political, and that is why i watch them.

[@unifieddynasty]

@@ceglastymonster7799Your reply doesn't address what I wrote. I'm not sure why you replied to me.

[@ceglastymonster7799]

@@unifieddynasty THATS WHAT I AM KNOWN FOR XD

[@unifieddynasty]

@@ceglastymonster7799lol ok have a good one dude

[@hyc1266]

@@ceglastymonster7799 When you hate China's gov't you are hating Chinese because China's gov't has more than 90% approval rate, unlike the US gov't. China's gov't is the few gov't actually working for the people by the people. Unlike the US gov't which actually works for the rich only.

[@johnsamu]

Their original videos when living in China were interesting and informative. UNTIL they realized they got many more subscribers/money when they started bashing China. Now they're living in the USA and especially Serpentza hasn't got a real job qualification so his "job" is China bashing on KZbin which is kinda pathetic. In his early videos he mentioned being broke and homeless when he came into China from South Africa and was helped by ordinary Chinese people. He's now repaying that by looking down upon and making fun of those same people who helped him.

[@DeadstockDownsouth]

Idk how can someone point negative things out with out receiving backlash?? Let’s say it’s just genuine criticism nothing more. I don’t think there is a way to please everyone. In my opinion they always point out and go out there way to do so that they aren’t talking about every Chinese person and they also take the time to tell a story about a Chinese person that doesn’t fit the mold.. maybe I’m naive but I think they are just being genuine about the ccp and different issues that have arised because of the ccp since its inception

[@johnsamu]

@@DeadstockDownsouth The point is that he DID make statements like "are all Chinese cowards" and "there are no birds in China " or something like that in his videos. That generates more views/likes and YT seems to be his main source of income now. Which was his stated objective in the early days when living in China making more positive and very informational videos. But when the Chinese government demanded English teachers to have an actual English degree/teaching certificate (which is a very reasonable demand) he couldn't keep his job/stay in China. Also there were some other "side"issues. But instead of moving ahead with his life he's acting like a divorced man still angry at his wife. The US government has a budget for anti China propaganda and making anti China videos generates revenue while pro China or even neutral China videos generate next to nothing in revenue. (Remember YT is his main job now). He hasn't been in China for a long time now and everything changes fast in even one year time. So he's quickly becoming out of touch with the current situation and depends more on "old news", "hearsay" and sometimes outright verifiable fake/false news. Like when he was commenting on the Chinese/Taiwanese/US chip/foundry situation which was cringe worthy at best because he has NO expertise in that field whatsoever.

[@DeadstockDownsouth]

@remmond3769 LOL you going to South Africa on vacation?? What are u people ??

[@manuielv5273]

dude he have chased out of china

[@johnsamu]

@@DeadstockDownsouth Not quite true. They're also using FALSE statements as click bait in order to get views aka MONEY. For example the "there are no birds in China" etc . Or some "tofu build" blabla, while in their new home country the USA buildings and bridges are collapsing or tilting/sinking and the infrastructure has crumbled, eg. potholes .

[@michaelpattison8543]

5:15 'getting rid of English speaking foreign language teachers' - that's nonsense, it was about getting rid of the unqualified amateurs, the mere tourists who could get a job in China at a dodgy 'training centre' merely for being a white face. There are plenty, ever increasing, numbers of properly qualified, authenticated language teachers and faculty in China today. A good move. .

[@tobi2731]

That's a very strange framing. If you are a native in any language you are certainly not "an unqualified amateur" on that subject but someone who has used this language for their entire lives. I was taught english at a Danish school. Denmark is a country where general english proficiency is very high and it's a country with a super anglophile outlook on culture (prides itself on not dubbing movies - which in practise means most of it is American) and very transatlantisist politics (which I disagree with actually) but the english level of none of my teachers was to the point of a native speaker and people who are native in a language absolutely bring a value that is very hard for nationally trained english teachers to offer because very few people attain that level of proficiency through foreign language study and your actual proficiency in itself has a tremendous impact on the teaching and how serious your students will take you. This isn't to say there is no value in studying and then teaching foreign languages, there is just value in speaking a language natively which is hard to replace with foreign language students, even more so in a country where the proficiency in that foreign language isn't very high and the demand for education in it also very high. You can see this in top level European politicians. Merkel is the daughter of an english teacher and her english is not the yellow from the egg as one might joke in an anglicised German saying. From the encounters I've had with Chinese people in Denmark so far the english ranged from barely conversational (which is odd because it's the language they study in) to good. For people from any other country I've met (which to be sure isn't all of them, I'm not trying to paint that picture) it was exclusively good. So even if there is some dodginess to private english tutoring firms, I'm quite sure they did bring some value because the general english proficiency in China very much understandably isn't the best - and you know most countries don't ban them. That in itself should kinda make you go "huh".

[@HeidiKernstad]

⁠​⁠@@tobi2731Not strange framing at all. Having native proficiency in a language does not automatically make somebody a language teacher who can effectively teach students said language, especially when that teacher cannot instruct students in their (the student’s) native language. There is a process, a science even, behind teaching a language as a second language, and if someone is unqualified to teach, they are unqualified to teach. Too many Western tourists with zero qualifications or experience in education or teaching language were getting jobs at “English training centers” with little to no knowledge of Mandarin to effectively instruct Chinese students. They do this simply because they want to finance their vacation, and the dodgy training centers who hire them do so for marketing purposes. (It is generally assumed in China that White people speak good English and therefore having White instructors creates an illusion that the institute is somehow more authentic) Anyway, these tourists were hired simply on the basis of their skin color, and they did a terrible job of teaching English, which is how the whole issue was brought to light. There were many complaints and naturally people felt ripped off by the poor lessons and lack of progress. Many of these foreign teachers were not native English speakers themselves and hailed from Europe. 🤷‍♀️ I saw a street interview on YT recently of an Italian woman speaking broken English saying that see “teaches English” in Japan. The practice still continues in other Asian countries I guess.

[@tobi2731]

@ I didn't claim that being native in a language makes you a language teacher, though it does make you someone with good knowledge on that subject that you can teach to others. I actually went to a danish school in Germany meaning all of the pupils (with very few exceptions) spoke German and Danish at native level and all education except language subjects was in Danish. So naturally most teachers were from Denmark (there were a few from Germany who had learnt Danish) and we had some German teachers from Denmark also - who interestingly almost never taught German classes (they took classes in their other subjects instead) because simply a non-neglible share of the pupils would speak better German than them. German teachers generally tended to come from the area (so grew up bilingual) or from Germany and learnt Danish. Even with a university degree it's very hard to get to the same level of understanding of a language as native speakers, especially if you do not go out of your way to actually live in a place where it is spoken natively for some time. I'm not saying it's necessarily ideal but a native speaker is far from your worst option to turn to to learn a language. I think as with all teachers, some of them will be good, others less so. That being said Italians teaching English sounds dodgy as hell lol. Their English at large is infamously terrible. I've had German work better than English in Italy (in Rome of all places, not the Gardasee). I doubt there are a lot of Italians teaching English in Eastern Asia though.

[@TheHumilityChannel]

I’m really glad you made that video. I was thinking the same thing. I really miss their old style of videos. Hopefully they will reconsider and go back to that cultural vibe they lost. I wish them both all the best of luck, though.

[@BETAsin]

My favorite part of that saga was when they larped as foreign agents escaping china. Laowhy retold this whole epic story about how the police showed up at his house, and he got stopped by a border agent last minute before boarding a plane to hongkong (which is still in china) lol. Then he got exposed by Daniel Dumbrill as having went to the US and then back into mainland china again to sell his apartment. These grifters are absolutely pathetic.

[@rainy905]

when it comes to these two, I will give them credit where credit is due. These guys did learn Chinese while living in China and tried to immerse themselves in Chinese culture while living in China for as long as they did. I used to watch Serpentza because he had an interesting, and realistic take on China. I stopped watching his channel after him and Laowhy86 became too biased about negative stuff about China. To add some context, Im an ethnic Chinese living in the West, and I was born in China. (I visited China frequently after moving to the West) Here's my insight on China, you see, china is vast, and you have to keep that in mind when viewing China as a whole, along with the population within the country. the same in the Americas as a whole. I think you should question the news that you're consuming about Foreign countries for obvious reasons. Im tired of all the hypocritical views from both sides between the whole East vs West debate. every country has its pros and cons, and that's it.

[@johnsamu]

@@rainy905 I also did follow them from the early days. The problem I noticed is that at some point they expected the typical "this works like this in the West/USA" so it should work like this in China. They had no regards for the actual social or physical boundaries in China. For example complaining that they couldn't ride around in military restricted areas in China on their bikes. Try to THAT same thing in the USA...good luck.

[@SpaceCoffee700]

I use to for years cut through the vehicle yard for Humvees on my way to work since I lived closed enough to walk Depends on the base I guess

[@xxMonkey99]

The average you tuber with 1 million subscribers makes about $900,000 per year, that’s why he continues to do what he does.

[@A.US.ter1]

Most of his YT content gets demonetized because of crypto baby, glass-hearted Chinese nationalists. Society in China cannot accept the horrendous acts of the past 75 yrs.

[@CountryAndProud]

Boy are you misinformed.

[@ADVChina]

Always been a supporter of you. Sorry to hear that you changed your feelings about our content, but we understand that our new stuff isn't up your alley. Interesting perspective. We feel like it's our duty to stick up for the voices that cannot be heard. Our friends in China are not represented because of the actions of the Chinese government, and that is not just, nor is it fair. Is it worth it? Well please answer us this. Who else is going to do it? Are those voices and lives not worth it? We speak about China because we lived there over a decade, and what the Chinese government has become is something worth criticizing. We appreciate your years of support.

[@Y2J]

Thanks for watching the video and responding. To answer your question, who is going to speak up... When it comes to every major issue, things like Uyghur human rights abuses, the covid zero policy, Chinese fishing boats, the lab leak theory, all the big ones honestly I have seen covered in mainstream media. BBC, Cnn, Aljazeera. They all get there. Usually not as quick as you guys but they do actually get to it. I hope in future you guys can expand into perhaps a broader political narrative. You focus so singularity on the ccp it seems you are completely blind to every other autocratic regime. I bet there's a lot of people in Myanmar or Russia or Iran or North Korea that would love it if you were a voice for them too. But no, it only ever seems to be China. When you guys did your motorbike tour of Vietnam I was quite disappointed by that too. I thought it was finally going to be something different and perhaps it's going to be a motovlog tour of Vietnam a bit like conquering southern china... But no, you guys were riding bikes in Vietnam and your minds were elsewhere, still China. I didn't put it into the video but I also worry about your wives. With the 2x Michaels the ccp shows it uses hostage diplomacy. So I wonder if that means if Sasha or Vivi go back, will they be detained as a way of coercing you to go back so they can throw you in jail. And does that mean you guys have consigned your wives to a life of exile with the videos you make. Exile, unable to go back and visit family for the fear of what might happen. I hope nothing like that happens, but we all saw what happened with the Michaels. Quite possibly you guys have been lucky, this is part of what I mean when I ask you to question whether it's all worth the risk. It's all good until the hammer comes down on you directly. I wish the best for all of you guys, I hope your content expands in the future and you start taking a broader view, but for now I just can't justify continuing to watch your stuff.

[@Airborne-yj8di]

@@Y2J Sounds to me like a direct threat to both laowhy/serpenza's families... Are you on China's payroll? I guess so...

[@devams1]

@@Airborne-yj8di You think the chinese government paid this guy with 1.2k subs to make a video criticising laowhy and serpentza?

[@Y2J]

@@devams1 yeah kinda laughable isn't it. You don't employ someone who has no audience to do propaganda for you.

[@scintillam_dei]

@@Airborne-yj8di I did a video about famous youtubers selling their souls to the Serpent. China's misleaders and these guys are both in the same brotherhood called masonry.

[@keviny.9596]

I am Chinese American too, however i wasn't born in China. I grew up watching serpentza and laowhy in my teen and college years then however their show became more of anti Chiense- Not even about the govnerment but chinese people. This is digusting , i wish they talk more about their American life. It's not always great here either. There's many migrants and homeless people a balance approach is more fun.

[@JH-pe4dx]

I used to like their videos where they showed and talk about alle the good, but also bad things about china, because there is a lot of both good and bad like in every other country. But the last couple of years it's only china bad and after that more china bad, witch is fallowed up by yet another china bad video... Think if you only made videos about alle the school shootings in America and how many homeless they have, or that if you don't have 5 jobs you can't pay your bills and if you get sick, you definitely can't afford that and so on... How wrong would that be to only highlight those bad things, but not mention alle the great things about usa... But sadly that's all they do about china, and then you have people who have never been outside of usa who believes that's it's just all bad and eval. What a load of bs

[@louisyi7088]

Agree, are they paid to say bad things about China？

[@JH-pe4dx]

@@louisyi7088 well saying alle this nonsens seems to give the a lot of fowler's, meaning earning money on KZbin, where's to just make normal videos about the good and bad things like they used to, don't earn nearly as much. So unfortunately miss information and hate is selling. And who wouldn't want to be able to just make KZbin videos for a living, apparently no matter what the cost

[@louisyi7088]

@J O N ! have you been to China？ I'm Chinese and stayed here for 35years, I know China very well.

[@gogglescache8246]

​@@louisyi7088there's always 2 or 3 sides of the story? that's sounds like you know your family very well because you were w/them for years but not how they behave with other people? 😉

[@alexwest2573]

I’m in the same boat, show me the good along with the bad, I stopped watching because every video is just “China is bad because they do this” followed by “China is bad because they do that”. It got old quick and after awhile he just started sounding like a broken record. I get China isn’t perfect and has issues but honestly what country doesn’t have issues.

[@futo]

I initially started watching Serpentza many years ago, thought he was fun, and realized he including Laowhy86 loves to point out negative stuff about China over time. Here's the thing, I'm an ethnic Chinese who grew up living in Canada for almost 45 years now. I can tell you my experience of everything from racism and hypocritical views from both Canada and the US and yet here's Serpentza benefiting from purposely trashing China when he himself lived there. Let me ask you, how many Chinese, or for that matter, Asians who go around the US and Canada point out all the negatives when there are plenty to point out. There was one particular video I still remember of him going out to yell at these workers for banging away because he was still sleeping on a Sunday where he rented in China, well the workers actually were working and had the right to work. I can tell you if I went outside to do the same thing he did, I would get a talk back like "If I don't like it here I can leave". I was just surprised the workers or anyone in the comment section said that he's just living in China for work, which doesn't give him the right to say whatever he wants.

[@Protectyourkin]

Immigrants constantly bully, harass white people. what are you talking about? I've been called an evil colonizer my whole life to the point I now think it was a mistake my great grandfather died fighting nazis. Not to mention we are set to become a hated minority in all our ancestral homelands. What was the point of ww2 really....keep in mind how many white men fought germans. if all those men that fought the germans could have seen there countries today they would have joined the germans. It's that bad. In the future there's going to be alot of crime and degeneracy with not many white people. But they will still hate white people. It's bad.

[@A.US.ter1]

Of course he has the right to quiet and peace late at night. That’s even the law in a near lawless jungle like China. You have the freedom to criticize the US or Canada, you won’t get thrown in jail or deported for it either. Those are just a few reasons why the West is better. You’d even get a healthy market for your complaints in China among nationalists. Serp and Lao went to China, got Chinese families, lived there for over a decade and learned the language. They know what they’re talking about, and most of their criticisms are of the Party that’s killed over 50 million Chinese and never been held accountable…AT ALL…EVER, and are still venerated. This is at the root of why it’s a society lacking in accountability.

[@futo]

@abintr0 Seriosuly, do you honestly think the west isn't control or restricted, for the most part they're very biased. Since when has any of big news channel have anything nice to say about China or any positive they've done. FYI, i'm not in China. None of the western media will ever mentioned how bad US is supporting Israel mass bombing. The word is genocide is use repeated about China Uyghurs when there's no actual proof and yet lots of dead bodies picture taken and film isn't identify as genocide, because none of media will go against what the US administration has to say. Western media is incredibly bias and works to relfect that of their government. I use the watch BBC, CNN, MSBNC, even DW. It really doesn't matter if they're so call left, they're no differnt than what FOX or the british SKY news are

[@Joaocruz30]

Spot on!

[@futo]

​@@A.US.ter1 Accountability is relative. Canada and US had done a lot of #$%@ to north American natives, which last several years grave of Native toddler bones were dugged up all across Canada in early last century assimilation schools. On top of this, US also had the slavery issue even though they had apologize but all decedents seem to struggle with opportunities. Outside of US and Canada, you think Japan ever really appoglogize for Naking Masscre, they went as as saying it was just merely less than 100K people. US right now isn't even taking accountability for their support of the big G word that's happening over in Gaza.

[@hdlim8753]

It is not about propaganda it's about money! more english speaking people like to watch anti china staff. to prove it: anti china laowhy86: 906,000 subscribers, serpentza: 1,200,000 subcribers. pro china: gweilo60: 9,800 subscribers, cyrus janssen: 341,000 subscribers

[@davidb2206]

Pro China / Pro CCP means CENSORING. English-speaking peoples want FREE SPEECH. It's not an Eastern or communist value, unfortunately. CCP still censors and blocks the INTERNET, for godsakes!

[@teflerchina.2987]

Serpent was criticising people that worked illegally in China yet he was doing the same. Having to go on visa runs to Hong Kong. They have now resorted to rehashing their content and scraping the barrel to find things to criticise and lie about. Serpent was challenged to a live debate by other Western vloggers but he refused. He is 42 years old but acts like a preteen As for China being Authoritarian you are way off the mark there. I have worked in China since 2004 and not seen any authoritarianism in my time here. I did a search on Serpentza and Laowhy86 lies and found a good amount of videos.

[@ShortRound42]

^ Found the chicom/CCP operative here folks.

[@Rob-me8vp]

Wow no authoritarian rule in China? Where did you live in China? I want to go there.

[@teflerchina.2987]

@@Rob-me8vp I guess you don't understand the meaning of authoritarian. The U.S/U.K/Australia and Canada are more that way than China I have worked in Sichuan for 2 years, Hubei for 2 years, Guangdong for 12 years and Guangxi to date.

[@Rob-me8vp]

@@teflerchina.2987 if you have worked in all of those places “to date” then how would you know how authoritarian the US, UK and Canada are since you haven’t been living in any of those places for that many years?

[@omar10213245]

​​@@Rob-me8vp @teflerchina.2987 is clearly posting on behalf of the CCP. He isnt fooling anyone

[@XXL-t3x]

Serpent ZA should criticize the South African government. South Africa is his hometown. Moreover, compared to China's problems, the problems of South African society are enormous As a descendant of colonialists, he has instead become a loser in South Africa. However, he feels that he can solve the social problems of the most successful country in the world by himself

[@sugoid.struction7049]

Most successful country.... stop whitewashing everything goddamn

[@laurasalo6160]

"Most successful "...?

[@XXL-t3x]

@@laurasalo6160 So tell me about your country. Is it more successful than China

[@XXL-t3x]

​@@laurasalo6160I thought you came from which highly civilized country. It turned out to be Canada, the country where the American servant was, and the country where the president begged xijingping like a dog. It's best for you to change your nationality to the United States, at least not to be so shameless

[@vanbao6859]

We got a wolf warrior in the comment section right here 😂😂😂

[@higztv1166]

As a russian, video began very promising, but when he started talking about how russia and china will always be autocracies because of geography I... I can't even... this is dumb and false, it puts the blame away from the autocratic ruler to the "circumstances" I'm tired of hearing this

[@BlazeAmrabat]

It`s not dumb nor false , Russia has 11 time zones spread across 3 continents with vastly different sub-cultures,religions and languages , they will always be autocracies and the moment they stop they will fall apart and split in to smaller countries like the former USSR. PERIOD. Don`t talk about something that you don`t understand.

[@higztv1166]

@@BlazeAmrabat bro, I swear, Russia is one of the most monolithic countries out there. Yes, there are regions of ethnic minorities, but other than that, you won't be able to tell whether you are in the far-east or near western border - culture, architecture, language, everyday life - it's all practically the same Don`t talk about something that YOU don`t understand AND didn't even life in.

[@BlazeAmrabat]

Я трачу время, объясняя идиотам. Типичные интернет-воины. Вы абсолютно правы и хорошего вам дня.@@higztv1166

[@lolilollolilol7773]

@@higztv1166 otoh it's very typically arrogant of the US to pretend that their system is better and should be applied everywhere, especially in a country that has been for 2,500 years been under a single ruler. What's important here is how well the government is doing for the population, and on that point, we can easily argue that in the last 15 years, the oh-so-bad CCP has been doing INCOMPARABLY BETTER for the Chinese than the bipartite US system for the Americans.

[@Aurmm]

Minor mistanke caspian report is not from India but from azerbaijan

[@EndlessTravels]

I'd say the Reason they talk about China and not Cuba, Vietnam, or other nations similar with gov is because they don't know much about it, haven't really been there long enough or if at all, have lack of any connections to verify things don't speak their languages ADV and both of them truly only have content related to China, even Vietnam they visited for a good amount of time. And as someone that has lived there for 8 years I could see the ignorance they had, not as an insult but being a tourist in a city for a few months you are going to ether see 90% only good or still be amazed at such different cultures. In all I don't see them ever really stepping outside of China as a main direction, they have tried like 6 or 7 times and all attempts fail as fast as their own interest in the subjects does. Driving about America they did, turned into Chinese talks, broken cars, turned into cuts into bike shops in China, etc etc These ARE the China show solo or together and for them to break from that, honestly I do not see it ever coming or happening in a successful way With all of that, no need to hate. I love their content, I watch it weekly, I pay the $20 a month for their Monday show all of that fun stuff I just don't see them stepping away from China as a subject being the people, culture, goverments, anything.

[@Lambyyy]

I think the biggest issue is almost all of the videos they post since they left China is essentially China bashing. Trying to point out all of the bad things about China. It's not enjoyable to only watch videos like this.

[@StatenIsland811]

Ummmmmm!!!! Let me think clearly. 2 people making comments about China as thought as it’s the truth even though they left China years ago. No investigation needed, just pure guess. Then it became the truth

[@TheAbsenceOfNow]

@@Lambyyy I agree. Unless if one actually do enjoy it and look forward to the China bashing contents on each episode. I mean,...how else do you religiously watch their channels if not to feed your own confirmation bias?

[@teusenke5947]

What “fun” stuff could you possibly get from them? Spend that $20 elsewhere son

[@Joo-vw9kb]

In politics, China has a much better Democracy system than the US. In economics, China is Socialist (not Communist) and the US is Capitalist. The Vatican City is the only Communist nation in the world today. And the Pope is one of only six absolute monarchies/Dictators in the world today. Get yourself an education, and stop being so obsessed with (the very best Communist PARTY of) China already!

[@tonyderrow5241]

They constantly talk about how kind and nice the common chinese person is.

[@Claxiux]

they are compromised and corrupt

[@annaislit8842]

Lmao never

[@manuhegde]

In literally every damn video…

[@manuhegde]

@@annaislit8842every video, they say this in every video.. maybe you are not able to keep up

[@annaislit8842]

@@manuhegde I would never watch videos of two white supremacists so idc

[@ThousandBlade]

They invest all their content in criticizing CCP because they're payed to do so. Look into their relationship with the Michaels, the ones who were known Canadian spies. This information only came out recently, but thinking about it retrospectively and things made way more sense.

[@HS6_00]

Yeah I’m not buying into the idea that a couple KZbinrs are being paid by Canadian spies to criticize China lmfao. Things like this do not go that deep, even if it would to claim something like that like it’s a definite fact is kind of ridiculous to be honest.

[@ThousandBlade]

@@HS6_00 Of course they could just have a normal friendly relation ship with the Michaels, and defended them without knowing that they were spies. But it's just interesting how their content shifted right after the motorcycle rides in northern china, which happens to line up with when they met Michael. Sure the only definite prof would be they had personal relationship with a known spy. But if it looks like shit and smells like shit, I don't have to taste it to know that it's shit.

[@Chill_Im_Probably_Trolling]

Bra 🙄🤡.

[@lolilollolilol7773]

There are 850,000 foreigners in China who live and do business perfectly fine. The reason why Laowhy86 and Serpentza were kicked out of China is because they were doing shady, illegal business. They had to leave urgently else they would be arrested and judged. Simple as that.

[@trainscronce6269]

Yeah canadian spies paying Americans to criticize the CCP, your logic is as empty as your head

[@defblo2000]

My brother in law used talk about China this and China that. Then he died. Met a new friend who's this close to hating on China this and China that. He has prostate cancer. Both married to Asians. Who has time for all this? Trust me both are not in the 1 percent.

[@清德賴-v7q]

He used to be for China. To refute Westerners who are anti-China overseas. . He made multiple videos to refute those who "demonize China". Now. He has become the person he once hated.

[@rizon72]

Or, he learned a truth. China isn't what it was 10 years ago and people need to realize that.

[@Joo-vw9kb]

In politics, China has a much better Democracy system than the US. In economics, China is Socialist (not Communist) and the US is Capitalist. The Vatican City is the only Communist nation in the world today. And the Pope is one of only six absolute monarchies/Dictators in the world today. Get yourself an education, and stop being so obsessed with (the very best Communist PARTY of) China already!

[@Joo-vw9kb]

Money speaks louder.

[@dexorne9753]

​@@rizon72it's better.

[@katesees1527]

@@rizon72 It’s plainly because he makes more money making anti-China videos for ppl who hate China like you. He’s also a white supremacist and promotes genocides and dug up real human remains from unmarked grave in Taiwan (which there was evidence that he knew about it beforehand), n then he claimed to love Taiwanese? He has no respect for anyone n would do anything for clicks.

[@porcelaincrown]

Honestly, the only way to see the truth is to go out and see for yourself. It sounds crazy but visit China. Im an Aussie and I went and my expectations were blown out of the water. It is nowhere what these two describe it as. But I suppose Im just a CCP spy for even trying to talk about a good experience in China 😂😂

[@yoshihammerbro435]

yes you are a wumai or whatever in the pocket of CCP hahaha

[@brandenlol6030]

I understand that the videos are mostly negative to China nowadays so I can see where they would lose fans there. Feel like they are actually free to talk about these issues they've built up over the years, but were afraid of government involvement if they mentioned them while still in China. It's also nice to have insider info on these topics instead of just people the CCP hire to talk nice about bad situations. Their focus is on China because they have the most insider knowledge of China. Winston has made South Africa videos in the past too. I admit they could maybe make a channel or separate playlist focusing on motorcycles or something since that seems to be one of their biggest passions.

[@catsNcode]

Lmao no, they got bought out by CIA Hilarious that you think this is the reason why they flipped the switch

[@gjl4101]

Except they think they know China because they lived there decades ago but they don’t. I can’t even recognize my city in China 5 years ago. Their information is massively outdated but pretend like they are China experts

[@lolilollolilol7773]

There are 850,000 foreigners in China who live and do business perfectly fine. The reason why Laowhy86 and Serpentza were kicked out of China is because they were doing shady, illegal business. They had to leave urgently else they would be arrested and judged. Simple as that. As for their KZbin channels: they grew 100 fold by catering to the MAGA and sinophobic crowds, so their content is now only propaganda. It's all grifting for money.

[@艾克发-i6s]

Their focus is on China because they have the most insider knowledge of China ？。。。excuse me，you live in America，even you are native person，you may not have the most insider knowledge of USA，China is similar to US land area，every Chinese state is different about language 、behavior and per GDP，the two guy only live in a China city ，they even cannot read Chinese，i wonder how they understand the sense from Chinese people。

[@brandenlol6030]

@@艾克发-i6s Don't they both have native Chinese wives? I'd imagine they could understand at least a little of the language, but I can't say how much I haven't even watched these guys since this comment lol. I don't mean they have the MOST insider knowledge over everybody, I just mean they have spent years in the country and are talking in a non biased way and not funded by any governments to my knowledge.

[@Mimaw1]

I’ll never get the time I spent watching your video back

[@Y2J]

That's right, because I had a gun to your head and forced you to watch

[@yahwea]

Easy solution, never watch lol

[@laurasalo6160]

@jon1696 it's an expression of how he feels about the content. It was nor well-argued. I agree

[@l.f7469]

@J O N ! yea he’s prone to being that way 🤣

[@S.Korolev]

Philosophical

[@gordonliu3972]

I love The China Show and would recommend it to anyone. It's an invaluable source of information for interpreting what's going on in China and the CCP's activities around the world. I've been watching ADV China and their individual channels for many years and the only difference I see is that they are free to speak their minds now without having to fear for their lives and the lives of their families (as much). What they have to say and their unique insight is important for the world to hear right now. Winston lived in China for 15 years or so. Matt lived in China for over 10 years. They have both worked and owned businesses in China and are married into Chinese families. They noth speak and can read Mandarin. I recommend watching The China Show every Friday at 2pm Pacific. I also recommend Serpentza's and Laowhy86's personal channels and also ADV China. You won't be disappointed.

[@leiuwu3965]

yep wasting your time every friday listening to 2 guys saying “china bad” for hours

[@toniogarcia1900]

@@leiuwu3965 agent for the CCP stop lying stop hating you're a CCP troll

[@leiuwu3965]

@@toniogarcia1900 I am allowed to have my own opinion right?

[@delta8402]

They used to living in China, not anymore. Now they’re just gradually becoming anti China propaganda.

[@amianderson2843]

they helped me understand the pandemic and my own government better. the intro song is the best!

[@snirge]

I used to love them when they were biking around China but now it’s all negative

[@danthemancasey]

They are not anti-china, they are anti-CCP. They speak very warmly of Chinese people, but are understandably critical of the Xi dictatorship and authoritarian CCP activities. They both have literally years of footage happily living in China.

[@VashaLittleMasha]

The universal playbook of 'democratic' regime change narratives that always leads to loss of sovereignty, economic collapse and war. They love the people but they give absolutely no fucks about the unimaginable slaughter, poverty, shitstorm and collapse of society a revolution in a country as huge as China would lead to. Do they love all Chinese people or only those disloyal to the government? So if most of the population supports their government then what do they propose, toppling the government and putting the entire nation into reeducation camps? If you want to shill for the country you like more ok but dont pretend youre not an anti China propagandist or that you actually care about the people from that country

[@J_X999]

A year later, they are DEFINITELY anti China now.

[@hamobu]

I think that ADVchina guys really loved China and were ready to live and grow old there but they couldn't because of CCP and their racism and xenophobia and now they are angry.

[@brandih4882]

Same. I miss their old content. I na way I feel bad for them but now they just wanna make money, and I can't bash them for that, they got families, but why does it have to be so click baity now?

[@gregw322]

Isn’t being run out of a country where you’re a tax payer because of racism and xenophobia a legitimate reason to be angry at the CCP? Also, isn’t it valid to stand up to the nation state that undoubtedly causes the most harm via authoritarianism (extreme authoritarianism coupled with the huge amount of people subject to the dictatorship and to a lesser extent the suffering they cause outside their borders as a global bully) across the globe. I don’t disagree with anything stated except that they seem justified unless I’m missing something which is always possible.

[@playnite2188]

They couldn't live in china because of CCP? They have nothing to do with ccp at all. They just couldn't make a living off being a teacher. And when Trump was elected, they found out criticizing ccp attracts so many more views.

[@bigiman6241]

Any proof? thats bullshit and you know it. Their wifes are Chinese

[@VashaLittleMasha]

China is completely entitled to promote the kinds of immigration policies that benefit their own people, which is one of the reasons they are one of the most successful and prosperous countries in the world. Intelligent authoritarian government => economic prosperity, no societal degeneracy, secure borders, less crime, no evil corporations buying the govt

[@raymondlianto9882]

Yeah i do agree with you. The repetitive content made that channel boring.

[@clivekingshott4323]

Those two guys are making content that gets them views and income, they’ll never change! Thought they may have turned their focus to America, but guess the clicks are not as good?

[@cosmoray9750]

Yeah. Like Jayoe nation. He was in China and had transitioned to contents in the US.

[@RovexHD]

Same with Russia. Even Russian KZbinrs feed on the international hatemongering to earn a buck. Even if that means focusing on the bad exclusively.

[@leiuwu3965]

true, youtube is their main source of income im pretty sure so its best to avoid taking risks when they dont need to, i do understand it

[@annaislit8842]

Yep fits into the dumb negative stereotypes westerners have already

[@NoYoutubeName1]

If that’s all they are about “views and income” then they wouldn’t say they’re not interested in collaborating with bigger channels because they don’t want to get off track from what they need to personally do for the world.

[@margaretcampbell2681]

It is still cultural in many parts

[@Joo-vw9kb]

In politics, China has a much better Democracy system than the US. In economics, China is Socialist (not Communist) and the US is Capitalist. The Vatican City is the only Communist nation in the world today. And the Pope is one of only six absolute monarchies/Dictators in the world today. Get yourself an education, and stop being so obsessed with (the very best Communist PARTY of) China already!

[@stevros48]

I think they should get into some ADV adventures for interesting rides and roads in USA and maybe Canada.

[@malcolmfairleigh1193]

check out drugs guns mass murder homeless inn us

[@hamobu]

BTW, I really like ADVchina content. No other channel shows what's really happening in China.

[@playnite2188]

A lot of times they blatantly lie

[@alliemonster8149]

@@playnite2188 example?

[@playnite2188]

@@alliemonster8149 the edited tiktok Uygur video, the rural China video where they say the ccp make those people wear traditional clothes to entertain tourists, the escaping china james bond life style, the IT expert/docter trainer/billionare body guard etc. The docter trainer one is fking funny tho

[@VodkaPandas]

@@alliemonster8149 Protest on china, they said it want a xi jinping down but the fact is they protest against govt rules over lockdown and covid related, which is happening on every country, even the fact that they can actually protested and change the law by result is proofing that China is not a country what west is saying.

[@alliemonster8149]

@@playnite2188 yeah nah, I don't think that stuff is made up, why would they? What would they gain? Anyone who has lived in China would have a ton of stories and experiences to share.

[@YGZ]

Just watched your video dude. It seems you agree with their message but are encouraging people not to watch their videos?

[@Y2J]

I made this video without notes or script so a lot of the video is a bit of a ramble and not everything is explained well. I think their videos have deviated too far from why I initially started watching, I think the vids are stale... It's the same gas lighting video titles over and over. There's no balance because they're talking about politics but narrowing in on only 1 bunch of bad guys. Thier videos are overwhelmingly negative now too. And as the saying goes in journalism... Bad news sells. The biggest reason I think people shouldn't watch them, is because they're not presenting a broad enough political view. If you're going to play politics like they obviously do... You should go after all the bad guys, not just CCP Then again... Mabey Winston and Matthew are in fact not all that clued in on international politics. If they started talking about Russia or Iran or North Korea... Would you consider them credible sources? Perhaps not. In any case I've watched thier videos over the years degenerate into nothing but mud slinging against just 1 communist govt, the ADVChina I originally subscribed to doesn't exist anymore, so I've had enough of watching them.

[@YGZ]

@@Y2J fair enough but what I don't get is why you are trying to convince others not to watch them?

[@Y2J]

​@@YGZ It's because the quality of journalism Winston and Matthew do is questionable and I discourage people from watching low quality journalism. That's what they're doing, playing journalist. It's a very high bar to do journalism well, it involves fact checking, extensive research, asking questions, interviewing, ethical considerations, analysis of data. To do it well is really hard work and takes time. I see the way they present their political hitpieces and in my opinion it's not good journalism. And anybody that produces journalism of substandard quality is going to present data to an audience that's flawed, or biased, or incomplete. And when you watch stuff like that over and over (without questioning it) you can end up brainwashed to the particular political narrative that the journalist wants you to believe. To give you a specific example, there was one instance whereby Winston posted on his twitter a terrible low quality video, like around 720p.... a motorcycle accident caught on a surveillance camera. The point of which was to show you how chinese don't step in to help others, because in the video the person on the video falls off and nobody helps. He concluded only from watching this low quality video (short video, around 30 sec) it was not a scam and it was an elderly woman on the bike. I debated him in the comments, saying the quality of the video is too low to determine the age or gender of the rider, and also impossible to determine if it was a scam or not as the video was so short. You didn't get to see what happened later. Didn't see the fallen rider get up. Didn't see an ambulance arrive. Didn't see much really. And that without supporting evidence of some sort, like an eye witness testimony or a related news article... without something, you can't claim to know the specifics of what you're really looking at. But no, Winston somehow magically knew exactly what he was looking at. Somehow he knew all the details beyond all reasonable doubt just by looking at a low quality short surveillance video. And he defended his "conclusion" over and over again. This from a guy who likes to say on his China Show livestreams that they do fact checking before jumping to conclusions. What Winston doesn't know is in real life I work a law enforcement job, I've been to court multiple time for prosecution purposes, and there's a thing that exists called the burden of proof. It's not enough to just say you think you know what happened, you have to be able to provide quality evidence. If judgements and outcomes were all based on opinion then the criminal system wouldn't function at all. To quote Denzel Washington in "Training Day"... "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove". I've watched these guys come to questionable conclusions for years now with their political hitpieces. Watched multiple instances where I'm left wondering "How much of that was true?" "How much research did they do?" "How good were the sources?" "What about an opposing viewpoint, the other side of the story?" "How long did they research that video for?" or sometimes "What WERE the sources?..." Because despite them wanting to play journalists, they are also on the youtube treadmill. The KZbin treadmill incentivises video creators to put out long form content that gets clicks and views. Doesn't matter if it's any good, all the algorithim cares about is you clicking and watching, and watching the next one. You can tell from the types of videos Winston and Matthew have made over the last 3 years that it's all based on getting you to keep clicking and watching. The side projects that got fewer clicks got shelved... like Worthless Whips, the car channel. There was even the promise of international motorbike tours. They did 1 that I recall to Vietnam, and while in Vietnam they talked about nothing but China. Not much about Vietnam. It was a similar problem on the Taiwan motorbike trip, their physical bodies are in Taiwan, but the minds and the voices are still back in China. Look I could go on and on and on, but like I said, I discourage people from watching content where journalists don't do quality work, and I don't think these guys are doing quality work.

[@YGZ]

@@Y2J like I said, fair enough if that's your point of view but you don't exactly go around discouraging people to not watch other KZbinrs, or is that your thing now? Winston and Matt do good work and research on China. They don't always get it right but I think their experience in China makes their opinion a valuable one. From what you've said in your reply mate it kind of comes across like you're a little salty because you had a disagreement with Winston about a video clip on Twitter.

[@Y2J]

@@YGZ that specific example on Twitter is a tip of the iceberg situation.

[@Rob-me8vp]

This video is so confusing. On the one hand he says he liked their old cultural videos when they road their motorcycles across China and then he goes on to say when KZbinrs don’t reinvent themselves they go stale. Well, they did reinvent themselves bc they felt unsafe in China and had to leave so they didn’t have access to local cultural content. They reinvented themselves as political commentators on an area where they felt they had experience. They don’t comment on other countries bc they don’t have any experience there. They could do it on the US, but they would be competing against significantly more people. If you don’t like the channel, then don’t watch it.

[@troy5094]

Bro what do you mean don't watch the channel this is video is literally titled why he doesn't watch that channel anymore

[@Rob-me8vp]

Bro can you not read. His explanation for not watching the channel is contradictory and doesn’t make sense. Wake up!

[@troy5094]

@@Rob-me8vp nothing the guy said as per what you described is contradictory. If you don't want this type of content being pushed onto you, maybe you should take some time offline

[@Rob-me8vp]

Troy you are clearly clueless and can’t read or comprehend. Maybe you should stay online and take some English lessons.

[@JackJColl]

that's what happens when you speak honestly and off the cuff ... contradictions appear in what you say

[@youssefwenzhou]

totally agree with you on a lot of what you said but i serpentza and laowhy86 gave me infos that i would have never get without going through the struggle myself as someone who is now in china , thanks to them now i know the red lines that i shouldn't cross if i want to live here . another thing you said that there are a lot of countries that behave like china you are absolutely right , but anything that happens in china is something that affects 17.72% of the total world population and the informations about china are very limited and most of the time controlled and edited . but i would really like to see them talking how the world is moving to be more marxist .

[@Joo-vw9kb]

The west and the like are evil because they worship the evil God of Abraham/Moses/Solomon. I am a Bible teacher n translator from Singapore, yet I am not a believer/religionist.

[@Joo-vw9kb]

In politics, China has a much better Democracy system than the US. In economics, China is Socialist (not Communist) and the US is Capitalist. The Vatican City is the only Communist nation in the world today. And the Pope is one of only six absolute monarchies/Dictators in the world today. Get yourself an education, and stop being so obsessed with (the very best Communist PARTY of) China already!

[@gjl4101]

As a Chinese who just became an American, unfortunately a lot of what they report is using policies and pictures from China decades ago to paint a bad image of China, unfortunately people who’s never been their just gobble that shit up like it’s the truth.

[@打工人-r2e]

The word "information" is an uncountable noun meaning facts about someone or something. You don't say "the informations are"...

[@youssefwenzhou]

@@打工人-r2e yeah you are right it's just that sometimes i can't get my head wrapped around it ...

[@tsaoa]

Bottom line, it's about money. Showbiz is about giving the audience what they want. Yes, he will be happy with his work if he makes a lot of money. I'm not saying I disagree with his opinions.

[@matthewhocker956]

I was with you pretty much 100 percent until you started bringing up how they could be talking about anti-woke, trans “ideology”, etc. because from all I can see in the US is that the loudest voices are the “anti-woke” conservatives. It’s like there are all these fundamental problems in the US that need to be addressed, but it’s easier to deflect by scapegoating someone who just wants to be who they are. While I don’t see eye to eye with you on that, I empathize with your thoughts and feelings regarding the ADVChina crew’s content. I lived and worked in China for a year, and their cultural content always resonated with me. I don’t care for the government either and have Hong Kong friends that I worry about. The events that led to Matt and Winston’s exodus were no doubt awful and traumatizing. That being said, the videos in the past did have a bit more balance. I know that some of that comes with the territory in self policing language that could result in a deportation or worse, but the content was more diversified. I also miss the Worthless Whips series they were doing because it was a fun but also realize it wasn’t a money maker and the car hobby sometimes has to take a backseat to life’s other priorities. I stopped watching content after seeing that it constantly leaned into negative China content. I was also a bit taken aback when the Epoch Times was cited as a credible source (a few years back), which is funded by the Falun Gong cult, which of course is going to have an axe to grind given its status in China. The problem is that what they’re doing appears to be working for them now. The views they are getting are high, and I think a big part of this is that, while they may be sincere in wanting to give a voice for those suffering, the content when viewed in the West plays into a lot of the fears of the potential threat China poses to the west of their is a significant shift in the balance of global power. In the US especially, politicians and media stoke a lot of fears. There are certainly valid concerns, but there’s also a lot of harnessing fear to deflect from other major issues. I’ve no doubt the ADV guys love the Chinese people and want them to live in a better world, but my concern is that the constant negative content plays more into the hands of xenophobic folks or people who just want to dunk on China at the expense of failing to address problems at home. I’m concerned that while they may have had good intentions, the constant negativity appeals the lowest denominator; and at that point, how much is it really helping? I think it’s important to stand up for oppressed people but also to do so responsibly. I would love to see more diversified content like you mentioned….like food or history. Or heck, even down-to-earth traveling and conversations with people throughout the world. I’d like to see them become a POSITIVE force for change; advocating through enlightenment (for lack of a better term). Sending good vibes from the Northern Hemisphere!

[@Y2J]

Thanks for your reply Matthew, I appreciate you taking the time to type it out and I believe you have summarised it all quite well. Mostly I am not engaging with people in the comments on this video because there's a lot of haters and trolls who have of course showed up. Some of them have even called me a CCP Shill, you know you're not dealing with smart people when you've got a channel with travel videos, cat videos, and boating videos... and people think that's a channel of someone who sold out to the CCP. I also really miss the worthless whips, I watched every episode of it and it was a welcome relief because it was something not political, and while I'm not a car person, seeing cars getting restored was quite cool. I can only guess that mabey it cost too much to do, mabey they had to spend too much money on repair materials etc to fix up the cars. Plus not being political means less views. What you mentioned about the Epoch times is part of a larger pattern in their content which I find very very concerning. Mostly, every time I see them publish a video or a livestream I often don't see sources cited. Nowhere. You also don't get much on the way of statements "from the other side". Ie- when mainstream news reports on anything, you're supposed to report on both sides of the story, even if one side is clearly wrong, you show both. When you don't show both... either you don't know how to do journalism properly, or you're a propagandist. You hit the nail on the head about the views, that's what's most worrying. I wonder if they look at their sub count and video view count and echo chamber feedback they get and think that everything they do is good, and correct, and righteous. One thing I bet they're not thinking about is the type of viewers they have attracted with these videos (lowest common denominator). I mean honestly I'm still surprised that I ended up filming this video because I watched them for years and for a long time had mostly good things to say, until it because apparent over the last few years that things have changed, and not for the better. I never every imagined myself filming a critisism video about these two. What I think they should do rather than just shitting on the CCP every chance they get, is to offer constructive critisism at every chance and policy suggestions, rather than just plain critisism. Obviously the chinese people are complex and have different needs and desires based on who they are and their culture and languages and geography... and the political theory is you need an autocratic government to control a diverse population, because you can never count on the population to agree on anything. One of the things people said about Saddam Hussein pre 2003 was that he did a good job of uniting Kurd, Sunnis and Shiites under the mantle of the Iraqi identity. I think short of rolling out elections and democracy, if the CCP focused more on values and policies that unite it's citizens... then it wouldn't have to fear it's citizens so much, and would oppress it's citizens less. Like some of the other communist or autocratic countries out there. Matthew and Winston could be a voice for that. Imagine for example if they instead of making videos "exposing how the CCP imprisons Uyghurs in Xinjiang", instead you make a video celebrating the good things, successes and achievements of Uyghurs... how valuable they are to Xinjiang and the national economy, and offer policy suggestions for the CCP on how to heal wounds and make Uyghurs feel valued and included in chinese society. It would be a hell of a lot better. But mabey the ugly truth is it wouldn't get views. And mabey Winston and Matthew wouldn't know how to go about it because they don't know enough about social science, political science, psychology etc. I mean at the end of the day they're just another 2 guys with video cameras so you can't expect miracles from propagandists.

[@LordOfSweden]

Men can never become woman buddy.

[@Vamoshh]

Thanks for this comment! Not surprising that they are working for the evangelical lobby. It seems like the whole internet is shifting and turning into a propaganda machine of the institution.

[@rizon72]

From what i see, the far left is still the most vocal. Its only been recently there has been a good counter that that far left voice which was very desperately needed.

[@neptonio]

Bro you wrote the story of your life, have mercy on us

[@EncoreASMR]

They keep doing China videos because that's the main country their viewers are most interested in. And they don't have much knowledge of other countries tbh. They're one trick ponies.

[@lolilollolilol7773]

Their viewership isn't interested in China at all. None of them is ever going to set foot there, certainly not by interest in the country. They are only interested in reinforcing their prejudices.

[@rubbishfx]

So after leaving China for more than 5,6 or 7 years, what quality still their China contents have over the country constantly changing lighting fast? Do they even know how much a metro or bus fare costs in China nowadays? They should have long stopped their "China contents" the day they left China, not 5, 6 or 7 years after still up to today! But I know, with no other skills for making a living, and US is not like China used to be any nobody can be a teacher, making a living is so tough, and Americans are just love hear bad things about China, i guess bashing China is the only way they can uphold their lives there. But then any country is two sided, good and bad, any normal sensed person should haved thought twice when viewing their vids.

[@davegray7226]

I really enjoyed watching SerpentZA in the beginning when he first got there and started doing KZbin videos. But ever since he hooked up with Laowhy86 he became different. I don’t watch neither of them since they left for USA. Jerry Goode is a good KZbinr. He’s in China Qingdao city and does great videos of his city and China. Recommend watching him👍

[@bigiman6241]

🤣🤣 You mean the one who is on China state TV and tweets about that Russia did the right thing in Ukraine. You can begin to try to make it less obvious you are just a shill.

[@davegray7226]

@@bigiman6241 Jerry Goode I’m on about and yep he’s correct and 100% great to watch and listen. By the way if you don’t like him don’t watch 😂😂 simple as small man. My bad haha 👍

[@inedanap6253]

​@@davegray7226 Let me guess, next, you'll accuse everyone who doesn't immediately believe all Chinese state sponsored media of being an ignorant sheep. Lol

[@matrixgeno4481]

It’s ok to dislike adv but you like jerry Goode? Then you r a 戆卵

[@franklin7793]

bro your avatar pic took in hangzhou right?😂

[@paulm6926]

I can make up my own mind about who I listen to.

[@ScottMStolz]

China actually had democracy starting in 1911 under the Republic of China government. In 1949, the Communists overthrew the democratic government and were able to take control of mainland China. The Republic of China government fled to Taiwan, where it still rules today. Both the Republic of China (Taiwan) and the People's Republic of China (mainland) have never given up on their claims of being the rightful government of all of China. Basically, both claim the same territory, with the communists controlling most of the land. So the mainland had democracy for about 38 years, and Taiwan has had democracy for over 100 years.

[@Y2J]

I'm not sure the governmental system from 1911 to 1949 conforms to what we would today consider democracy. Aspiring democracy, potential democracy, partial democracy, flawed democracy, incomplete democracy.... but I'm not sure if I would label it the D word. From what I've read KMT was never "voted out" during that time, KMT was corrupt on various levels, and women weren't allowed to vote at all. Whether it ever really had democracy is probably a debate for historians and experts.

[@ScottMStolz]

@@Y2J You also have to consider what democracy was like worldwide during that time. Politics was a contact sport, and corruption, even in the U.S., was high during that era. Women only got the right to vote in 1920 in the U.S., and some countries waited a lot longer to grant woman's suffrage such as Switzerland (1971), Portugal (1976) and Liechtenstein (1984). Mexico was ruled by a single party for 70 years from the 1930s to 2000. California is currently ruled almost exclusively by the Democrats today, making it a single party state as well. Yet most consider those democracies, although it could be debated in any number of ways depending on your definition of democracy. I would agree that the Republic of China during that time does not conform to our current ideals of a western-style democracy, and probably would be classified as an aspiring democracy by today's standards. But my point is that democracy was attempted. It is a bit misleading to say that democracy was never tried. Probably a more accurate statement would be that parts of the democratic government were corrupt, which undermined democracy in the region. So, I understand your point. I just think that more details on what actually happened are important since it serves as a lesson that corruption discredits democracy, and we should be wary of any corruption in our own democratic institutions today, lest we repeat history.

[@ellashy6539]

Taiwan got their Marshall law listed and 1st election in 1990 by Lee teng hui democracy my arse stop misleading uf you don't elread 😂😂😂

[@ScottMStolz]

@@ellashy6539 It depends on how you define democracy. Are you referring to the political science definition (i.e. there are elections), or are you referring to another meaning, such as western-style democracy or communist-style democracy? They certainly were not a western-style democracy, and there was a lot of corruption, but on the other hand, there was elections. If you mean "western-style democracy" then I agree with you. They were not a western-style democracy, which typically has checks & balances, and has a way to protect citizen's rights.

[@ellashy6539]

@@ScottMStolz Chiang Kai shek's era was till his son back in the 90s they have no elections prior to that where do you get the 100 year democracy in taiwan ....and don't get me started about hongkong which has no democracy prior to 1997

[@rizon72]

A lot of their criticism is towards the CCP which is very well deserved despite what some will say. I actually find the ones who don't want to talk about what the CCP is doing to be the ones who are paid off.

[@Joo-vw9kb]

The west and the like are evil because they worship the evil God of Abraham/Moses/Solomon. I am a Bible teacher n translator from Singapore, yet I am not a believer/religionist.

[@Joo-vw9kb]

In politics, China has a much better Democracy system than the US. In economics, China is Socialist (not Communist) and the US is Capitalist. The Vatican City is the only Communist nation in the world today. And the Pope is one of only six absolute monarchies/Dictators in the world today. Get yourself an education, and stop being so obsessed with (the very best Communist PARTY of) China already!

[@JonySmith-bb4gx]

Source ?

[@dexorne9753]

​@@JonySmith-bb4gxSerpentza and Laowhy 😂

[@guishenStreetB]

@@dexorne9753 link it

[@RovexHD]

Learning Russian and covering Russia and Russian-Sino history/relations would be awesome.

[@CC-lq8st]

used to enjoy their videos too...but their videos are just unbearable to watch now

[@alexwest2573]

I watched a couple of his videos, found them interesting but it got old really quick, it’s all he uploads.

[@anthonygianni8311]

They just criticize and never give solutions…it’s like kids complaining to parents not giving them money.

[@yoshihammerbro435]

do they do anything with visiting Chinese communities in US? That would be cool, being able to compare and contrast it with Mainland China.

[@FyreTeGo]

While I agree with you for the most part, it would be better to see things from their perspective. The CCP basically kicked them out from the country they loved so much and also separated their wives from their families. It would make sense why they dedicate a lot of their time to tarnishing the image of the CCP. I've been watching them since 2017 (ever since my trip to China) but I stopped after they moved to the USA. Like you, I realized they would not be able to do the things I loved their videos for like talking abt day to day life in china, familial ties, night life, etc. So I just stopped watching. I just moved on from them, but I won't forget the content they made in China. I wish them the best.

[@danydilullo7129]

Your country instituted draconian measures vis a vis the Chinese virus. The information on China I gleaned from their adventures made me extremely curious about China. They helped me appreciate the meaning of the phrase 'white monkey', sir.

[@davidb2206]

Every country needs "draconian" measures against the Wuhan CCP virus. It killed millions of our grandparents, while the CCP LIED about it and its origin from escaping the incompetent communist Chinese lab worker into that wet market. Even a top Chinese scientist has (finally) said the same thing this week. Hope he doesn't "disappear" like the ones before him.

[@doublethree5901]

@@davidb2206 Why does ED conduct illegal experiments in foreign land

[@doublethree5901]

@@davidb2206 Foreign life is not life?

[@doublethree5901]

And stop refering these farmer's markets as "wet markets" to make it soud as if its dirty and exotic. Farmers and fisherman bring the vegetables, livestocks and things they've caught to the markets to sell, you english speakers have to make up a dirty and exotic word indicate it's the origin of the virus

[@doublethree5901]

@@davidb2206 In reality the virus escaped from a U S founded lab

[@Guardhousetv]

Watched them for over a decade. I haven't watched them much in a couple of years because it's too much drama and political stuff now. I miss the adventures in China stuff, and hang out videos that were really fun

[@davidb2206]

They are still "dining out on China" after all these years. Is that all that two 40-something-year olds will do, after all these YEARS gone from China?! You are quite right about the "legacy" question for them. Incidentally, while I like this video and your honest and straightforward approach, the side-rant on South Africa is not at all accurate. Francois Williams vlogs from walking around the streets of Johannesburg, where he lives in a small apartment with his Filipina wife. He's a native South African, who also lived in China and elsewhere in Asia for many years. His FIRSTHAND reports from South Africa are totally different from your description. But you've never been there, right?

[@chriswis2457]

Are you kidding me look at Poland before 90 total communist and now I don't agree with you and that's my opinion. I was born in Poland

[@boostnicho6891]

the socialism or, maybe communist as you can say, that worked in China, is obviously different from what you guys have in Eastern Europe back in 1990s. For example USA's capitalism didn't work the same as India's capitalism. Not all communism are bad and not all capitalism are good. Each country need to get the system that suits their own situation.

[@chriswis2457]

@@boostnicho6891 Yea Can peaple in china elect leaders. Is there free speach check out statistics.

[@chriswis2457]

@@boostnicho6891 Under what regime more peaple died........

[@lolilollolilol7773]

@@chriswis2457 Capitalism, by far. Because under communism, people are quick to point out that famines are caused by the government plan, but under capitalism, when people die of poverty, famine or lack of medical care, somehow it's never counted in the statistics. Nor is slavery counted, nor wars and its consequences.

[@Jack-Alexander_J]

I'm Chinese and agree with Serpentza's criticisms of China. It's not even the tip of the iceberg: reality is far worse than what is presented.

[@ianeydoescrap5048]

I'm from inner mongolia and I take this as a direct insult

[@Jack-Alexander_J]

@@ianeydoescrap5048 If you take insult to the fact that the Chinese government (CCP) is corrupt, then you agree with the corruption.

[@Jack-Alexander_J]

@@ianeydoescrap5048 If you say that the truth is insulting, then you're the insult.

[@TheJesusr1]

does anyone knows if he was spying?

[@Y2J]

who?

[@natebusch2266]

I think your video is well reasoned and makes good points about the kind of government China has and probably will always have. I do not believe you are a paid propagandaist for the CCP. Chinese culture and geography do need a strong central government to mantain control over an incredibly large group of self-interested and diverse people. History shows again and again China goes through cycles of expanding and contracting as it consumes otherwise sovereign states around it (vietnam tibet Mongolia TW etc etc) into its leviathan self and then spits them out again as the government is toppled and not replaced by another one. There are two factors that make the current situation with China much different and more potentially catastrophic: 1) globalism and economic interdependency of the world that didn't exist during the Qing dynasty or others that preceded it and 2) China's possession of nuclear weapons. Because of 1, China is affecting global politics like never before with belt and road initiatives, global cyber attacks on other countries, soft takeovers of weak governments around the world, Taiwan and global semiconductor output and global shipping lanes etc etc... and because of 1 this puts China in direct conflict with the countries of NATO. Nuclear armed NATO. So... your conclusion that we should not care about this dangerous situation and instead watch happy go cheery travel vids is totally backwards wrong ... even there in NZ the radioactive fallout will wipe you out eventually in the event of WW3. Something to keep in mind 😉

[@dt4844]

I wonder how many countries China has invaded and colonized in the last 200 years compared to the US and the West. If China today is like the Qing Dynasty, well there wouldn't be a China. It would've been divided up into colonies controlled by NATO countries.

[@mjyu88]

Y2J, you hit the nail right on the head!!! The two are living in "HATE"! because hate can spread quickly and generate $. I used to follow these guys too back in the days and I loved the rides in the country sides and farmlands but then the content turned dark, darker and now just HATE over and over and over. Both have Chinese wifes and I wonder how long they can stand their negative content with not even one positive thing came out of their mouth these days. Everywhere you go, there is good and bad. What will satify these haters? A massive war ? Would that make these people happy? No! they will continue to find other means of negativty and continue to spread hate and darkness. BUT, boy they have supproters and ignorant believers. Sigh! hate sales just lik porn, drugs and gambling.... you can never get rid of the disgusting roaches, never!

[@inedanap6253]

Yeah how dare they only talk about China. As fluent Mandarin speakers who lived in the country for 10+ years. God forbid people be able to talk about their personal experiences and cultures!!!

[@danydilullo7129]

I appreciate your sarcasm. Well put.

[@davidb2206]

Once you leave a place, for YEARS, you are no longer "an expert" on what is going on there. They are yapping/regurgitating about "ancient history" now. Their PERSONAL ancient history. That's all they've got? Since I lived there for 10 years and spoke Thai fluently, I could vlog about Thailand all day long, but it would be WORTHLESS. Because I LEFT Thailand more than twenty years ago!

[@inedanap6253]

@@davidb2206 Clearly you don't watch their channels very often. They both left less than 5 years ago. That's not "ANCIENT HISTORY!!!" unless you have the memory recall of a five year old lol Besides, even if it was, it is important to talk about the historical context of modern events. They often say "back in 2008/2012/2016 when I was in China" to preface and give context, and then speak of recent events in the news/things that their friends and relations WHO ARE STILL IN CHINA. What's irrelevant about that? This is especially true since they were living in a country that actively silences negativity and dissent. They had to leave in order to start making mixed opinion/more honest videos about China. So what, ANY negative video about China is irrelevant because the poster probably had to leave the country to avoid consequences? Lol typical CCP shill

[@davidb2206]

"Halloween Music" is all you've got in your account after all these years? What a sick mf. Get some professional help. Maybe they can help you grow up. Or join the Marines. Of course, you can't. You are not up to it. You don't measure up.

[@bruceheimbigner9587]

Seems to me you have nothing to say and you're just trying to piggyback on the success of the other two channels by criticizing.

[@Y2J]

Actually I've tried on previous occasions to give them these criticisms one on one, in thier KZbin comments and on thier Patreon pages, but they chose not to address any of it. Making a video like this is a last resort. And before accusing me if piggybacking, you should give consideration to the other videos on my channel, what those videos are, how often I even post. Coz y'know... You're speaking like you're an expert on my content, coz y'know... I've seen you comment multiple times on my previous videos right? Yeah sure, you did that right?.

[@Canoneosmiami]

He’s life’s work right now is preparing good case that he’s scared to be prosecuted by Chinese government if he goes back ,so he can get political asylum ,relatively very fast process compared to any other visa process..

[@jenme4796]

I bet they now regret leaving China now, the US has been so expensive lately, the cost of living has hiked over 30 percent. I’m in Los Angeles, prices of things has inflated so much, these guys should never have gone so far off and now they will never be allowed to go back to China at all. Your understanding of China is much more than me and I like to listen to your reasoning, oh wow that makes sense what you are saying, thank you for sharing your knowledge!!

[@jenme4796]

@J O N ! you’re ironic

[@cindychapman5900]

They never criticized the CCP until the CCP started harassing them while they were still IN China. After being followed and warned, they were smart to leave. Otherwise the CCP would have disappeared them long ago.

[@s._3560]

Especially with the rampant crime as well. But they made their forever bed in the US so they must lie in it !

[@gsmp3744]

They are both on a good payroll bashing China.

[@S.Korolev]

Critisizm is a heavy polutant of one's mind

[@Pheoniex]

Interesting, kind, and critical deep perspective you have there. Will consider unsubscribing to them after getting bored of their old videos. 1 year later they're still whining about the Chinese government. I mean there's good stuff that's going over there too! There's a lot of horrible too, the horrible part is a dead horse that they keep kicking.

[@jameslau6593]

Good point!!

[@filippetrovic845]

I am with you all the way. Been watching them for years, tired of negativity at last. Its all truth they talk about but neither of us are heros. I'm just interested in all things China, except maybe politics as it turns out. I will always remember and replay old videos though. I grew up watching them, it's a big loss knowing they turned psycho trying to save the world or smth.

[@StatenIsland811]

Trying to save the world😂😂😂? Fuck no they aren’t. They speak about problems about China, but blind to problems in USA. They aren’t solving anything, but generating more problems. Both clowns been exaggerating problem into something bigger than it is

[@stefanfreimuth7864]

I like how honest you are - I personally continue watching them, but we need more open discussion like this. The China, political, issue is a difficult one. And it doesn't make my days better thinking about what's going on there, that's for sure. It's quite dark and worse than most people in the "west" can even imagine. The China Show keeps me updated to a certain degree as I am personally affected by all things going on with China and is to a big degree more real than what majority of western media is willing to publish. I agree, that they became way more political over the years and that this is not always easy and refreshing. Of course a continuous political focus reduces the quality for their content. That's natural and hard to avoid given the topics they showcase besides their personal history and situation. I personally also don't agree with everything each one of them says or even like their every opinion. Their work is important for me to keep somewhat on top of things as even living in Asia, Asian's tend to see things through an Asian point of view, filtered by culture and upbring. So some points that are more interesting to me would not be prioritized or mentioned at all.

[@marcd6897]

The main problem is, how they approach this, it discredits everything they did in the past. It also gives a bad taste and doesn’t help their credibility. And because we cannot validate what they’re saying, it is super important that they build their reputation, but it instead deteriorates over the past couple of years. Every video seems like a next level frustration rant that increase with every video they publish.

[@qwertyasdf2838]

I am just saying it for joking so please do not get mad...as you look/resemble laowhy a lot when I saw the thumbnail I thought it was an image made by AI of him older and with more weight, a funny video made by himself using AI🤣🤣🤣Interesting viewpoint though

[@agustinodacosta251]

they do a lots of criticism toward the Chinese people as well ,not only ccp .

[@reecerox2]

That is factually incorrect

[@kevinmaestroful]

I've never seen a video that criticised the Chinese people, only ever their government

[@agustinodacosta251]

@@kevinmaestroful there is lots of bad s''';t everywhere he only concentrate on china because he gets paid .

[@laurasalo6160]

Yes they do. Thats cuz everyone can be due criticism sometimes. It's completely fair and reasonable to do so.

[@IamHandsome4u]

@@laurasalo6160 they have been exposed already, u do know that right?

[@robertusa1234]

A great example of how the 50cent Army works. If you don’t like a Channels content. Unfollow it. Don’t make a 20 min video complaining on how a channel about china only Talks about china. First and last time I will ever watch your channel

[@Dhal-SimMusic]

Why do you look like Laowhy86 in disguise bruh? 🤔

[@BlastMaster]

Y2J... Chris Jericho?!

[@KiwiKaimoana]

That's right. Jericho.

[@Y2J]

@@BlastMaster that's right.. Jericho

[@benicerelax]

Thank you for the video, sincerely. Forgive me for my nonsense. We all know the complexity of this world, and we can never objectively and accurately view and evaluate something. The best we can do is to strive in this direction. I am an ordinary Chinese, and I admit that China has many problems, and I am very angry about this. But the problem is that most Chinese people are also ordinary people, pursuing a better life and corresponding rights. I am 27 years old, my grandfather has experienced famine, my mother only ate sweet potatoes when she was a child, and eggs are all luxury goods. Many Chinese people, including myself, have undergone extraordinary changes in their lives, with the vast majority being positive. Although this government has many problems, overall, it has helped a considerable number of Chinese people live a better life and made significant progress.

[@michelleconrod7891]

Brainwashed

[@HassanAbramowicz]

You wrote that you were a fanatic. That means putting them upon pedestals. In astrology, the putting of others on pedestals (metaphorically, not literally) is known to be followed ordinarily by disillusionment. That is why it is better not to be a fanatic, but just to sift out knowledge without having an emotional component involved. Gather on Me! Listen to Prem Rawat!

[@kinimodcinham1752]

who cares. I stoped watching many youtubers and dont cry about it

[@hinkelstein69]

Positively surprised by your video, I still watch Serptentza for infos that are not commonly reported in western media. Critical Chinese friends as a rule already know about the topics he reports and confirm it. I watch selectively. AVN and Laowhy is too aggressive for my taste.

[@ceglastymonster7799]

actually i cant wait for new videos from them, now i have watched all, and watching videos like yours just to check if you sound rightt or have some good argument not to watch them , we gonna se:)

[@troy5094]

After a while adv just doesn't come up with good arguments either

[@CasperA]

I imagine a chinese gun squad sitting behind the telecaster

[@Y2J]

It's a compost tumbler and my back fence.

[@dboydev]

I watched them alot around 2015-2020 but the content did get stale and repetitive. I feel that i am educated enough about the CCP culture to the point that anything "new" is just expected.

[@zionismisterrorism8716]

Fully agree 100%.

[@GnomiousBoBo]

I think their content can dip into fear mongering territory. Not intentionally on their part (I hope) but fear mongering none the less.

[@cindychapman5900]

And what China is really doing doesn’t scare you? Just their talking about it? Ok….go look up for some CCP spy balloons and wave then.

[@jonrobbin170]

Winston and Matt rule. To heck with this 💩

[@YuuSHiiiN]

@J O N ! He can't cause he's just one of many of their braindead followers

...yes...they're full of shit.

[@frx5095]

It was cathartic listening to this. I had alot of the same thoughts, but didn't see them reflected much anywhere else. Another possible issue with this much relentless criticism though, is that it can take away from its perceived legitimacy. Resentment isn't a good indicator of objectivity, and the channel does seem overall resentfull as it is now. On another note, if one would take everything in like gospel, they could build an unhealthy resentment themselves. Especially when they don't have any positive perspective to supplement their judgements with. Everyone might benifit if they would tone it down a bit.

[@gumacanian4211]

How much does ccp pay for these shill type content videoes?

[@KiwiKaimoana]

Look at his library of content, it's full of shill videos... Cats... Boats... Travel vlogs... All shill stuff. He's totally shilling. No way in hell he made the vid simply coz he doesn't like Thier videos anymore.

[@DanielGarcia-kw4ep]

Lol he doesn't make much political videos, if he were a shill as Serpentza, all of his videos would be prasing China, instead of making one of those every now and then @@KiwiKaimoana

[@夕久]

The guy literally said that Xi Jinping has messed up China.

[@J_X999]

Holy cope

[@breadandbutter777]

Is this guy a commie or a Communazi

[@yahwea]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡👐

[@kevindomenechaliaga8085]

Good look with the cloud chase

[@Y2J]

I don't smoke. I don't vape either. No cloud chasing here.

[@SayNo2TheBlue]

Plus, they no longer live in China 🇨🇳 my guy 😉. The ADV situation can’t really apply in this situation anymore.

[@takumifujiwara3039]

You complain that they are making only news videos about china.... but they are literally a china news channel...thats what they evolved into and thats what they want to be. Its like complainig by your local news channel that they show local news intead of, idk, cartoons😂 🤡

[@antonioalbul00]

Who are you, why are u in my feed

[@Y2J]

I'm Batman...

[@JackJColl]

well said

[@manco828]

So gutter oil and fake painted mountains are ok?

[@Y2J]

You should watch the video and actually comment on what is said in the actual video, rather than commenting about irrelevant things.

[@Canoneosmiami]

He’s got already plenty of money from KZbin earning..

[@frisko3000]

Serpentza is a great channel. They shed light and truth where there is darkness and secrecy.

[@Y2J]

How long have you been watching his videos?

[@nkinash321]

​@Y2J bro that doesn't matter. Watched him for 3 years and yet to find a disingenuous lie from them. We need more critics like them. If there weren't so much bs channels praising china and evils of ccp, these guys wouldn't be needed. Very good channels. U should watch his video on being fat in China

[@user-fo1cg7do8m]

@@nkinash321he’s obsessed with China and can’t stop spreading lies

[@princebuster93]

@@Y2Jits important to expose the evil that is communism and how it messes you up, once you submit to it, as most people do in China. It’s a messed up country as are all communist countries that rule by fear, intimidation and a mafioso government. God has given us a free will, to choose, to trust him or trust the state, and many make bad decisions and then want to play the victim card when the state shaft them, time and time again. What is the definition of insanity, keep doing the same thing but expecting a different outcome. I do have compassion for people but not a lot of sympathy when they blatantly choose a life of fear and obedience to those that have utter contempt for them

[@Canoneosmiami]

It is worthy for him to talk against china cause he’s gonna use it as a basis for his immigration case ,his fear to go back .

[@rizon72]

Go back where?

[@theholeofglory]

hey bruv i get what ur talking about iv only watched them for about 2 years i get that there covering relevant ccp stuff but back when i started watching it wasnt as negetive as it is today like u said it was a better mix also some times i feel there a little to harsh like when they were taking the piss out of china for using armor games to train troops when in all honesty many countries have used it for me that was a lil harsh but i feel what your saying nz in the house lol

[@lookingfortruth4641]

It’s funny the only video that got any views on your channel is talking shit about them 😂

[@robertevans9354]

You suck they rock na na nanan ah

[@J_X999]

COPE

[@withdylan]

it's just business