York, PA Tour with PRR

This video is a record of my ride Sunday August 28, 1988 on a special railfan excursion behind Pennsylvania Railroad K4s Pacific #1361 to celebrate 150 years of railroads serving York, Pennsylvania (PA). The trip ran from York, PA to Menges Mills, PA and return. Information about the present state of #1361 may be found at trn.trains.com/....

[@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren]

The Jewel of Altoona. Hope to see her in operation again in the future

[@ThunderTrain2930]

iirc she’s almost complete, just some boiler plates and a few other small parts, and the boiler inspected and that’s it

[@ALCOR_S3]

Really? I thought it was way far from done

[@JACESOFFICIAL]

@@ALCOR_S3 idk 50%

[@officialpennsyjoe]

Ah yes, the pilgrimage for every Pennsy Stan... I cannot wait to see #1361 back in operation again in the coming years!

[@onionhat9141]

Gonna be crazy seeing her run again specially crazy if 1361 runs alongside of 5550

[@brianfalzon6739]

And with LIRR 39 too!

[@lucasquintanilla1673]

I agree!

[@EastboundProductions]

@@brianfalzon6739 39s not gonna run.

[@commandingofficerkanawha7546]

Awesome footage! The 1361 is perhaps one of the most beautiful steam engines to ever run in excursion service!

[@overpoweredsteamproduction513]

Commanding Officer Kanawha yeah. And miss her

[@shanewalters4171]

@@overpoweredsteamproduction513 Don't worry, she'll be back soon

[@TJP773]

See IS certainly beautiful !

[@aidanburns7797]

COOL my hometown i drive by that station often

[@Cessna-er4je]

Patience, Someday you'll be back, Give it some time.

[@6777Productions]

And her time has come!

[@ramrjamr97]

this comment aged well didnt it

[@brycenew]

Check out the latest on 1361’s return to steam. It appears she’s in excellent hands! Very exciting to see this 🎉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5a0f4l5e89mZ80 Make sure you check out the videos from their main boiler / frame contractor too 😎

[@christophernewman8556]

I grew up in Bucks County, PA. and when I see scenes like this I'm reminded what a beautiful state Pennsylvania is. It's quite unique because more green and lush than NYS, but not like the South. I don't think it's noticeable until you're away from it for a long time.

[@Rebel9668]

Looking at the scenery and the plant life it looks a lot like Southern Indiana.

[@maxwellwalcher6420]

@@Rebel9668 now that's the Broadway Limited.

[@andrewsentipal5133]

Thanks for posting. I rode that train and I recall we paid extra to ride in the PRR P70 coach but for some reason it did not make the trip from Strasburg with the other cars. We were lucky to have taken a ride behind K4s 1361 as it had problems on the way home from these trips at York and has not run since.

[@ThunderTrain2930]

It’s main bearing and drive axle suffered a catastrophic failure after a slight derailment that was taken care of relatively quickly. Nobody bothered to check her undercarriage, and therefore the grease cake from one of the cellars for the driving axles became dislodged. And since 1361 was traveling at speed described as just above the average walking speed on the excursions, the lack of lubricant on the particular bearing didn’t cause any issues, and wasn’t even noticed. Upon returning back to Altoona, a number of issues were discovered. TL:DR 1361 derailed and lost some grease, wearing down a bearing. 1361 sits in the shop she was built in Altoona, being restored by a group of 4 or 5 skilled and dedicated volunteers. The only thing they need now is a qualified boiler inspector before they can reassemble her. That’s all they need but for some reason they don’t have one. They did most of the work when she was moved there from steamtown in 2010. They moved her because it costed way too much money for them, but now there’s people working, therefore she can run. There’s not exactly a time frame of when she’ll run again but its very likely she will.

[@JoeyBPhotography]

What a gorgeous piece of locomotive machinery

[@TJP773]

Can't wait to see her running again thanks for the post.

[@iMadeAPromise42]

1361's bell sounds much better in this video than the other 1361 vids I've seen. When the locomotive was initially restored its bell was so worn that it didn't even sound like a PRR bell. It actually took me a while to realize that it was an authentic PRR bell. The crew must've given it a thorough cleanup by the time this excursion happened.

[@StephenCarlBaldwin]

Thanks for sharing this -- so great to know that 1361 will soon be steaming on the high iron again soon!

[@Steven_Rowe]

It' has very clean lines, almost British. The K4 was the inspiration for Sir Nigel Gresley to implement his big engine policy, and apart from two Pacific's before he started the pacific revolution in the UK. The K4s are awesome looking locos, probably the best in the US

[@chrismiller5198]

Impressive though this is, it's too bad it wasn't restored according to classic K4 design with slatted pilot and original positions of headlight and generator.

[@drby0788]

Its supposed to have its "post war" look here

[@EngineerDaylight]

She was rebuilt by the railroad into this postwar look, technically she's as is since the day she was retired

[@joyce8481]

I see my Uncle in this video filming the train as it leaves the station in York, his fave past time. His father, my grandfather was a brakeman on the train back in the day, around 1915 to 1925. Unfortunately my grand dad died working on the train when it jumped the track at a foundry in Hanover, Pa.

[@dcoursey82]

Thank you so much for uploading this, was a treat to watch! Love the sound of her Q2 whistle

[@brianfalzon6739]

Sounds like 1551, 7470 and 152

[@carlosbernasconi4965]

The K4 Pacific was an iconic loco admired and copied.... Juniata shining brass plate forever. Fantastic video with attention to actual opetation. thanks

[@shaunblatzheim3957]

i really hope the strasbourg railroad car will be returned to the railroad since the railroad is still in use to this day

[@pennymcknight1346]

Most of those were strasburg railroad cars and they were all returned shortly after this none of them are in the yellow and red paint scheme anymore however

[@Thomasboi01]

The pennsylvania railroad K4 locomotives are still around.

[@xavienchatman]

Nice to see those old WRRS gates before they were all rusty. There's only now only 14 left, which are Beaver and North Street, 1 left on Queen Street, 2 left on Belvidere Avenue, Roosevelt, hartley, and Newberry Street

[@kylewells6871]

It dawned on me an hour after I watched this that I have a model of that train sitting right in front of me on my bench... #1361 crazy, I picked it up at an antique shop for $10 like a year ago.

[@ALCOR_S3]

Such a good sounding whistle!

[@Fidgetdidget]

From a q2 if im not mistaken

[@brianfalzon6739]

Good thing 1361 will be restored to steam again in the future!

[@bryansmall7478]

Excellent video, I was on one of these trains in 1988 at 6 years old.

[@daviddiano171]

I hope that 1361 returns to York Pennsylvania and decide to go to New Freedom or Spring Grove PA

[@WAL_DC-6B]

It's great to watch the Pennsy K4, but also to see the then period automobiles and trucks that would qualify as vintage/antique today. Was that a manufacturing plant at 41:00 where they built U.S. Army tanks? Anyway, "tanks" for sharing! (just had to throw that in).

[@overpoweredsteamproduction513]

I miss this engine

[@thecapisoffyt]

It is a locomotive. Engines are stationary and makes energy.

[@Thomasboi01]

In fact two pennsylvania railroad K4 locomotives are preserved.

[@Thomasboi01]

The pennsylvania railroad K4 locomotives are still around.

[@JACESOFFICIAL]

@@Thomasboi01 1361 And 1223 i think

[@Thomasboi01]

But PRR 1223 is on display. Maybe her 7002 will run again.

[@James-Railyard]

I love how most of the passenger cars are Strasburg.

[@robkrasinski6217]

They were the steel ex-DL&W/EL coaches used for off line Strasburg excursions in 1985 and 1986 with 1223 and 7002 and sold to Grapevine Railroad in Texas in 1990.

[@MarkInLA]

PPPS 31:32 That sure doesn't look like track that'd be safe for the ensuing K4 !!!

[@SuperFoxyRailwayProduction6702]

4:13 it's sounds like the Q2 3 Chime whistle

[@EngineerDaylight]

It is

[@brianfalzon6739]

@@EngineerDaylight also sounds like 1551, 152 and 7470 as well as a T1, Q2, J1 and M1 too!

[@EngineerDaylight]

Doesn't sound like any of those to me

[@brianfalzon6739]

@@EngineerDaylight well to me it sounds like all of them besides a Q2.

[@EastboundProductions]

@@EngineerDaylight finally someone tells him

[@MarkInLA]

I don't know what these yellow line ads are doing here now !! But I merely turn off the sound til they're done !!

[@anthonynigri8585]

Good thing that the engine is getting restore those of you who dont know look it up.

[@redferroequus]

A beautiful beast, whose not dead, but only sleepeth, just waiting to hit the high iron. This is a good catch, and a nice insight to the past with 1361! I was wondering, could me and my friends use the whistle audio at 4:14 for our digital locomotive models?

[@hartmutlorentzen9659]

Wonderful video, Thanks for Präsentation, from Germany

[@vollmerdp]

I came for the K4...but I stayed for all the M&PA hawtness. Thanks!

[@jtbassgambler2594]

That train looks soo haunted 👻👻👻👻 and i can feel the spirit 👻👻👻

[@jaredway1813]

Great footage. Looks like a heavy train. Hope the trip gets run again. With the K4.

[@shanewalters4171]

K4's still getting restored back to steam, she'll be back again pretty soon;)

[@leodavis7524]

I chased the 1361 that day…..I remember it running very slow 😟

[@maxwellwalcher6420]

Number 1361 is getting coal again and she's steamed again and she's ok.

[@ThunderTrain2930]

That ain’t no K4 whistle and it is beautiful. That’s either a J1 or Q2 whistle

[@nicholasmedovich8691]

I was told by someone that this is a Q2 3 chime. J had a more sugar in it.

[@Willysmb44]

A good friend of mine always told me, "Ride them while you can," because there's nothing stopping the powers that be from dropping the fires again on a steam engine or tearing up a railroad line. 1361 is an excellent example of this. I was just out of high school when they got her running and I thought I'd get the chance to see her run in another couple years. I don't think ANYONE outside of the operating crew realized she would run for such a short time, until it was all over. Now, decades later, she's nowhere closer to even being in one piece as she was soon after this video was taken

[@chooch1764]

That doesn’t mean there is no hope for 1361. 1361 WILL COME BACK. Some may have given up on the locomotive, but many have not. You may not realize that actual progress is being made on the project, mainly the old firebox is being replaced with a newer one. This project WILL get done.

[@Willysmb44]

@@chooch1764 Maybe someday she'll come back into one piece, but folks have been saying that FOR OVER 25 YEARS now! At what point do people stop saying 'when,' and instead start using the correct 'if'? I think that time has long since passed. Sorry, but after a quarter of a century in pieces with nothing to show but a dozen or so excursions for a small number of fans over 18 months, I must ask if it was worth removing 1361 from display at Horseshoe Curve? At least there, people could see her in one piece. This is possibly the only case where restoring a steam locomotive to run was probably the worst thing that could have been done for it!

[@chooch1764]

@@Willysmb44 That’s when you and many other deniers are wrong. This K4 is a symbol of Altoona’s railroad history. You don’t even realize that there has been progress. Deniers just don’t see it. I know what’s going on with the restoration. The museum has a team to accomplish it. Deniers are the ones to blame. Having it removed from the curve was worth it, because it ran in excursion service. Maybe for a year or two, but there has always been hope for the locomotive to go across Pennsylvania. I and many 1361 supporters are never going giving up on this project. Being positive helps.

[@Willysmb44]

@@chooch1764 Hey, hope always springs eternal. "Deniers" know the FACT that people have promised progress on 1361 countless times over the years. It's downright silly for you to think people will accept more promises as gospel after all this time and decades of the same from many others. I wish them luck. I hope you're right and 1361 not only gets back together and maybe even steams someday, but only an utter fool would hold their breath waiting for it. All this is like the person who declares the 'end times' are coming soon. You stop hearing the same message with no results after enough years. IF they ever get it back together, I'll be the first to say I'm glad I was wrong. Until then, the rest of us are not 'deniers,' we're people who have seen what has happened and all the time people have promised this with zero results.

[@chooch1764]

@@Willysmb44 Again, there have been results. The tender is almost done. The firebox is being replaced. A significant amount of work has been done to the frame. Again, you and deniers just don’t see it.

[@MarkInLA]

PPS There would be a jerk with the antenna sticking out the window to ruin the shot !! Why didn't the camera man do something about it !!?

[@robkrasinski6217]

All I had for that excursion was an audio tape recorder. I didn't get a camcorder until several years later.

[@patrickm.8425]

Hand shoveling coal? Holy Christ!!! These don't have augers? That's a lot of work!

[@steamgent4592]

When built they didn't but were so equipped later but as with any stoker fired engine you still need to hit the corners with the shovel.

[@evanf1293]

Wonder why they had some cars from Strasburg for this?

[@jasonfeldman7497]

Whatever happened to that PRR diesel switcher 9251?

[@Ellaamericasbestdecapod]

I go to the Strasburg Railroad

[@JCBro-yg8vd]

Was this taken just before the breakdown that ended her short lived excursion career?

[@jakecollins3669]

1361 is Hank's basis

[@MarkInLA]

PS. Might someone explain what K4 means; what/why this designation ?? Also, what are the truck frames under the tender known as ? Thanks

[@robertswickard8355]

If you read this The PENNSY gave letters to a class for wheel arrangements ... The (( K )) is for a 4-6-2 wheel arrangement Then the number represents the version K1 , first version K2 , second version K3 , third version K4 , ((( this engine ))) forth version K5 , fifth version ---- they did one with a larger boiler .... A 4-6-0 was a (( G )) class A 4-6-0+0-6-4 was a electric locomotive the PENNSY HAD ,, A WORLDWIDE FENOM BETTER KNOWN AS A (( GG1 )) Symbolizing of 2 (( G )) class running together .. PENNSY did this with all of there engines ,, DEISELS WERE CLASSED AS FIRST ----- MANUFACTURER SECOND ---- SEVICE TYPE WILL BE FREIGHT OR PASSENGER THIRD ---- H.P. RATING LOCOMOTIVE CLASS --- BP60 B for BALDWIN P for PASSENGER 60 for 6000 hp Or better known as the CENTIPEDE.. Later reclassed as BF50 B --- BALDWIN F --- FREIGHT 50 --- 5000 HP Reclassed again to B --- BALDWIN H --- HELPER 50 ---- 5000 HP ... A SD-40 was classed as an ES- 30 Hope this helps

[@0779BooBoo]

She is beautiful.

[@Jayhsia1215]

its hank the amercian engine from thomas and friends

[@gingerbread6614]

Very nice. Thank you

[@gcganonymous3021]

Thank you

[@dylanhale7300]

I'm having a huge Mandela effect experience right now. I was certain all K4s got scrapped

[@fermitthekrog6318]

There's 2 left. This one and the one at the railroad museum of PA

[@b3j8]

@@fermitthekrog6318 At least the Pennsy was thoughtful enough to save a couple K4s. Arch rival NYC couldn't save even one Hudson!

[@fermitthekrog6318]

@@b3j8 yeah that's truly tragic. The Hudsons were amazing locomotives. It's a damn shame

[@rogerlollar4325]

RRM's baby

[@atsfevan0242]

I bet after this was filmed that catascrafic failure happened

[@rob7360]

Firebox looked kinda rusty in that first shot

[@EngineerDaylight]

What failure?

[@vector6977]

@@EngineerDaylight one of the driver axle bearings seized up.

[@jaredway1813]

😥

[@gcganonymous3021]

Does anyone know the name of the military facility the train passed?

[@maxm2317]

GCG Anonymous No, but I’m fairly certain it was NOT Fort Indiantown Gap.

[@enjoyinsanity7065]

Might have been BAE Systems.

[@milliecaswell8611]

@@enjoyinsanity7065 Used to be called Bowen-McGlocklin or BMY. Defense plant. We worked there.

[@dniwu3878]

hank

[@nathanbrosh4589]

Strasburg railroad cars?. Weird

[@robertswickard8355]

Unfortunately, she will never see the rails again ... She is in pieces , frame and trailing truck is in red primer , no work being done at all , never have fixed the cross head bearing that was misdrilled , axle bearing , bend frame , cross equalizing mount hanger .. Now , she would need her 15 year boiler update , which requires it to be completely stripped down , boiler course inspected , new flues and tubes , tube sheets , stay bolts inspected and the bad ones replaced... If she is ever put back together , she'll be a static display only ,,,, SAME DEMIZE AS U.P. 3985 YES ,, LOOK UP THE HORRIBLE WORK DONE ON BOTH OF THESE ENGINES .... BAD WELDING , ECT ... HORRIBLE WORK TO GET THEM UP AND RUNNING BACK IN THE DAY FOR EXCURSION PORPOSSES , and you have to remember that these engines were brought back into service back in the early 1980's , by people that were to "" GUNG HO """ to get them moving rather than the workmanship to do it RIGHT ...... THATS WHY 4014 TOOK 5-6 YEARS AFTER IT WAS STRIPPED DOWN ..... About 25% of the BIG BOY IS NEW MATERIAL , bearings , every airline , secondary steam lines , oil lubrication lines , all fittings are all ,,,,, HANDMADE AND BRAND NEW .... That's why U.P. did 4014 and not put in any effort for 3985 ,, she was to far gone ... And so is 1361

[@chooch1764]

You’re wrong. Ever since Wick Moorman, Bennett Levin, and several other became board members since 2018 and with the new restoration campaign launched in 2021, progress has been progressing ever since. The 1361’s will have its new firebox completed very soon with new sheets and boiler rivets. Thats not all. The next work will go towards valves, steam chest, and running gear. Also, driving wheels will be quartered for smooth running of the rods. This project will get done. I have donated hundreds of dollars to this restoration and I’ll continue to donate until 1361 is back under steam again. You will NOT stop this restoration from being completed. Please delete your comment.

[@robertswickard8355]

Good that you gave hundreds of $$$$ to a wherthless money pit ,,, did you not hear what I had said ,,,, THE FRAME IS SHOT ,, ITS BENT SIDEWAYS A 1/4 OF AN INCH ..... That is why all efforts is being put into the T1 TRUST ........ 1361 HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED IN YEARS .....

[@robertswickard8355]

WOW , THEY GOT $100,000 BUT STILL NEED ANOTHER $2.5 MILLION AND THATS AN UNDER ESTIMATION AS OF RIGHT NOW IN 2023 ..... NOT TO MENTION 10 TO 15 YEARS FROM NOW (( MAYBE 2035 .... )) The 4014 coast 3 times as much as its estimation , as with most others restoration ... So to get 1361 up and running , estimate $2.5 million times 3

[@chooch1764]

@@robertswickard8355 No, they raised over $400,000 to cover the firebox cost. Regardless, many people and I are donating to 1361 every week. It will operate again. If you’re not out trackside with your phone camera ready when 1361 rolls out, I’m going to be amazed. Even Everett Railroad, Western Maryland Scenic Railroad, Colebrookdale Railroad, and other railroads have agreements and invites for 1361 to operate on their railroad. This restoration will be 100% worth it.

[@chooch1764]

@@robertswickard8355 Also, the rate donations are pouring in, the restoration will be done way sooner than you think.

[@hpelisr]

Poor whistle blower.

[@BruckChimera]

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