You Can't Pull Off A Centralized Economy - Jocko Willink & Tony Cowden

[@GroverParkGeorge]

More than fifty years ago, in Pleiku, Viet Nam, I asked a friendly local girl which side her family supported, the U. S. backed government in Saigon, or the local Viet Cong. Her answer stings to this day, "Neither, we just want to be left alone to grow food and care for our families." I knew we were doomed to failure at that moment. It would take a few more years, and a lot more blood and sorrow. But ultimately, people just want to be left alone to live their lives as they choose.

[@WeiderMystic]

my father tells me stories like these, and the sad part is that the mountain guard more than likely were wiped out by the VC after our exit.

[@jdypolt9830]

Well said!

[@pedrotenoriomendes]

You can't have freedom without economic freedom. If someone can control what society can produce or consume, and how, ultimately that someone controls the society.

[@jacks5901]

Nice to see Jocko up at his usual time.

[@ferrallderrall6588]

Me bedtime lol

[@odan7564]

I bet echo had something to do with the switch up! JK echo 😂

[@__redacted__]

"I'm glad guys like you are stepping so that people can understand...that WE DON'T UNDERSTAND." Jocko rockin humility there, knowing might doesn't always make right. Best podcast so far. Looking forward to the whole thing because Jocko and Tony are holding a mirror up to America and asking, "this is what we became, anything worth learning from?"

[@OhNoNotAgain42]

Jocko spends his whole adult life trying to be a warrior. Eventually realizes that economics, diplomacy, sociology, etc. are the true keys to victory

[@daveoliver3515]

yep. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands, Iceland etc all are great representations of it.

[@flygulfstreamg650]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 and who Enforces the law you please go back to your desk it’s a big world out here you might not understand it but don’t worry because we do

[@clemsonalum98]

@@daveoliver3515 only because the US protects them

[@codyvandal2860]

@@daveoliver3515 Huh. But I thought diversity was the greatest strength?

[@ericharmon7163]

@@daveoliver3515 your probably under the delusion that they are socialist.

[@bazbuco]

in the U.S. we neither have a planned nor free market economy. it portrays itself under the illusion of being 'free' but in reality our economy is controlled very strictly by a collection of corporate interests, government bureaucrats and oligarchs. they frequently swap positions from government to business or business to government like a carousel---but it's this specific class of people who maintain power and influence. they keep themselves in power through their influence in media, and by making themselves systemically 'indispensable' and too-big-to-fail. many of them are undiagnosed sociopaths and narcissists, and they flourish in hierarchical corporate environments and political spheres where speculation and manipulation are the most important factors for success. crony/corporate capitalism does not require human beings to be humanistic, empathetic, benevolent, etc the only thing that matters is profit and the maintenance of others' perception.

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

A disturbingly large percentage of people in congress are ex-CIA and similar military intelligence types. We joke about how Russia has oligarchs and ex-KGB politicians who won bunches of seats during the first "democratic" elections in the 90's, but really the USA isn't much different.

[@austinfastidio3183]

Dude. I dig this so hard. Thank you Jocko! Go humanity!

[@GiuseppeBeatz]

God bless Jocko!

[@nobeldecker3049]

Soldiers, good men, finding they fought for an evil empire. hard,good!

[@tdbomba8496]

Pretty sure they’re are greater evils in this world we just are look bigger because of our great military

[@Aidan_Duenas]

Absolutely loved this podcast. Watch it more than twice just to get a better understanding of the podcast

[@forgiveusmen]

One of the best podcasts I’ve heard In a while Tony is a great story teller and I’m glad good men still exist and want to serve the country politically

[@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849]

Thank you!

[@WasabiSniffer]

I think the biggest crack in our armor was thinking the conflicts and solutions were one-size fits all, or that the people were all the same, and when we have bureaucrats making tactical, strategic decisions without taking any of the real-time input, well, here we are

[@dustinwalker8152]

Jocko for President!

[@SaMiFarr]

The Wisdom of experience and an open mind. 🎯

[@Steve-holm]

Good morning! ☀️ Have a great week 👊

[@Red.Kraken]

Not sure if this has been recommended yet but you should have Nims Purja on from 14 Peaks, ex-gurkha Army/ ex SAS british special force and now just summited 14 mountains all above 8000 m in like half a year. absolute badass. Dope documentary on Netflix if anyone hasn't watched it yet.

[@jodycarter9677]

Preach Jaco! The hubris needs to be called out!

[@FRANK45CASTLE]

In 2004 Iraq was very far from Walmart ready I can confirm that lol. That place was more like the wild west, but with machine guns and IEDs.

[@crazymook591]

We need a policy as citizens to be able to investigate corruption in govt. I know that needs a tremendous of detail oriented explanations but how else are we going to do it.

[@shapshooter7769]

You also would have to exercise that right if the policy is enacted. Otherwise you go back to square one by leaving the corruption untouched.

[@JustinL614]

Actually it's very simple. The public should be able to see and count the votes.

[@iverson5164]

Your country knows best

[@johnfire100]

all very true

[@dannymarshall49]

Hell we don’t even understand ourselves.

[@lachtrip]

You are the Real People who deserve the leadership of a great country like USA

[@jamesgraham446]

Careful the channel doesn't get cancelled....you endorsed a free market economy!

[@DogSoldier0351]

Warriors train like we fight.Semper Fi

[@ericharmon7163]

There are no solutions, only trade offs. Thomas Sowell

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

People are naïve who think we can either print money or change one variable and fix the world.

[@deepzone31]

Politicians aren't the smartest people in the world.

[@dailydoseofmedicinee]

🎯🎯

[@rikiishitoru8885]

Based Jocko

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

To think you can competently execute a planned, centralized economy is like thinking you can consciously regulate all the autonomic activities taking place in your body.

[@conceicaogomes6149]

Hi. Thank you for the snippet. I noticed all your books the other day. You enjoy researching. James/Jim Rickards (a possibility?).

[@requited2568]

Lol, love Jocko's version of subtle.

[@paulmitchell5349]

France limits fuel price increases to 4% a year. UK currently has a 100% increase.

[@deepzone31]

Manipulate the market like France and you'll find that gas businesses start falling off the map and then no one will care about the price controls as they sit in line at a state run pump for 4 hours.

[@Tacit_Tern]

Commander Willink, Dude.... Please run for Congress.

[@kennethcurtis1856]

Dude. You ruined your comment by one word.

[@Tacit_Tern]

@@kennethcurtis1856 Jocko is in fact a real ass dude. And if he's not qualified for Congress; then no one is.

[@MrJsyed]

I missed the part where this refers to a centralized economy.

[@chadparsons50]

1 minute, 8 second mark.

[@therulesaredifferent8280]

Exactly

[@ryanjohnson367]

Please run for President dude. Please 🤘🙌🙏

[@ernestogonzalez17]

GOOD

[@inversion9651]

Jocko the champ. I hate when people think we will progress in a good way when we are acting slowly going to live in a dystopia.

[@mikepict9011]

If they pretend to be any dumber I might start believing them

[@WhoIsJohnGaltt]

Jocko please have Yaron Brook on the podcast to talk about objectivism. I believe it is very important that more people hear what he has to say

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Yes, the problem with American defense and foreign policy is NOT that we underestimate how STRONG we are but how SMART we are. Oh imagine if the State Department was filled with anthropologists and historians instead of political scientists and nepotistic appointees...?

[@rodgerbane3825]

However, you can curtail the worst excesses of Capitalism and harness it to serve the public good at least somewhat. IN FACT, I'd argue that the idea of unregulated Capitalism is every bit as Utopian as pure Communism is. Where exactly the sweet spot is between State Controlled Socialism and unregulated predatory Capitalism is I suspect, very much a moving target.

[@EcceHomo1088]

I guess economics hasn’t been taught to our populous in some time…

[@davidhearne9383]

Not a centralized economy per se but to install a central bank IE Federal reserve style system.

[@hughJ]

I'd imagine that the major contributing factor is the small data set of test cases to guide people's intuition. We have an intuition built up about how inaccurate weather forecasts are because we get daily examples of the hits and misses -- we know that tomorrow's forecast might be pretty accurate, but next week's is probably a crapshoot. When it comes to nation building there are very few examples -- not enough cases that any one can be used as a prescriptive example for another, but also too sparse to serve as a reality-check for our humility. The only reason why this is being discussed now is because there happened to be multiple high-profile examples at the same time. Give it a couple decades and we'll be ready to make the same errors again.

[@DoeBoy999]

I thought Iraq was about Saddam saying he would take Euros instead of Dollars for Oil a month prior to invasion.

[@highonlife6235]

Jocks should dedicate an episode to dating advice. Jockos dating advice lol. That’d be dope

[@AlexStock187]

Jocks seems to understand Chaos Theory mathematics better than most of the people in places of political, academic, and technological power…

[@Arbitrary_Moniker]

I don't think you understand chaos theory.

[@AlexStock187]

@@Arbitrary_Moniker Why’s that?

[@nickjohnson8246]

You must have economic freedom before you can have political/social freedom.

[@frankaragona1463]

Chilean history begs to differ.

[@indee105]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

[@cavscout62]

I can’t believe I’m hearing the “d” word here. This Nation is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Damn.

[@JA-mj1zr]

And Cowden is the one “stepping up” lol guy doesn’t even know what he lives in

[@cshe92]

So America is not a representative democracy?

[@JustinL614]

@@cshe92 Yes and no. First you hsve to understand that many of these terms have been redefined throughout the evolution of language. Many people use the same words with wildly different interpretations. A Republic originally meant "state" or "civil society" but as of now is a kind of representative Democracy with a constitution or law professionals interpreting the will of the people and usually requires a president as opposed to a monarch. That's why alot of people say Democratic Republic. A Democracy is just majority rule but we can say that there are different levels of power. So the presidential election is not a true Democratic process since the majority does not matter. The division of power is sliced up into territories. This was the intent of the founding fathers as they predicted pure Democracies would eventually destroy themselves as seen time and time again throughout history.

[@gullepomp]

It is even easy to see in the USA. Most big cities are Democrats the rural areas are Republican. Each has their own needs. One has a louder voice than the other and a closer seat to the government. That doesn’t mean they are right. Yes we need a strong army but we need it to be a peacekeeping force in other countries for when the dialogue between two parties starts to break down, it needs to force everyone back to the table. Either party should be able to call the peacekeepers in, rebels or government.

[@TheDhammaHub]

Well... the wisdom of the masses will always be greater than the wisdom of a few. How could people in some ivory tower know better what would directly improve people's lives?

[@fockewulf190d]

I wonder if the post Desert Storm events regarding Saddam (reports were he purged 50,000+ Shiites after he lost the war but was left in power by GHWB) led to Bush 2 thinking Iraqi’s would want a democratic system over a dictatorship.

[@JustinL614]

Democracy was never an option there. It was simply narcissistic to think that we can go around the world shaping people in our own image for better or worse.

[@kenosabi]

Communisum has a higher death toll then the Nazis killed in WW2. A higher death rate then the casualties of WW2 combined. Let that sink in. Mao killed between 60-100 million of his own people through his planned economy via starvation during the Cultural Revolution / Great Leap Forward. That's 1 man out of the numerous in history who have tried to use the system. That doesn't include those that died in Pol Pot's fields, those killed in soviet gulags including those killed during the Holdomor (another starvation event - noticing a trend here..?), that doesn't include the current day numbers out of Venezuela where people and their kids pick through trash looking for food and are known to have to eat stray dogs and cats, where the money is meaningless and has no value. These are but a few mentions and history is full of them. That's even only then one time span in a country still using communisum to this day. "But this time.." ...is how it starts everytime.

[@treed6953]

In the US, we like to think of our special forces as successful. However, they have an awful record of success at defeating insurgencies and terrorist organizations, which is what their charter is.

[@videnz6537]

Not everything in the west is gold... legit I feel like I would be a better man today if I would have grown up without smartphone computer and internet i mean man im addicted to this shit and i feel like i missed out on much also i lost all my real friends long time ago never had sex never was intrested cause i was gaming or watching youtube or porn also not intrested in working or making a career if you are addicted just nothing else seems to be intresting even thing you loved back in the day if one day i have the power to change something for others i would make computers with internet connection and smartphones illegal till age 18 you can still have a handy or something like that sure maybe that sounds a bit extrem but believe me it stole like 10 years of my life and im not over it yet but atleast i aknowledged now that i have a problem i know it its hard but i think one day i will be able to escape this hell i think this culture of comfort really f * * * s us im 26 now and i feel more like a child then ever im legit unable to care for myself at this age... greetings from germany

[@Numantino312]

you are the only person who can break yourself out of that. you have two advantages tho: 1 you realise it. 99% of people in same position do not 2 you're on this channel, listening to someone (Jocko) who know's what's up on that last one, i'd add David Goggins, Elliott Hulse, and Tim Grover. life is short. get on it. good luck and God bless. "i feel more like a child then ever im legit unable to care for myself at this age."

[@videnz6537]

@@Numantino312 thank you wish you good luck too and all the best god bless you

[@hirumbiffidum9145]

Well you know what when I saw the title of the video gut upset and started cussing alone in private until hours later I'm watching it and I'm actually glad I'm proven wrong. Maybe I was unfairly judgmental of Jocko ...

[@DieNibelungenliad]

Public goods are an example of central economy.

[@DesignRhythm]

"Public" anything is paid for by the free market. The Government doesn't produce a single item or dollar.

[@kieran2221]

@@DesignRhythm Look up the 'money multiplier'.

[@__redacted__]

Air without smog is a public good. Water that gets purified is a public good. The fact streets get swept and trash gets picked up not by mercenaries, is a public good. Who takes responsibility to maintain and coordinate these public goods?

[@shapshooter7769]

@@__redacted__ In theory, the govt is the ideal way to do it. In practice, their workload is so damn bloated in too many places that they often hire contractors to do the work. Even then, those are usually municipal govt's handing out the contracts. In the end, scope of governance/responsibility is a key factor for making those types of decisions.

[@JustinL614]

@@__redacted__ You've been brainwashed well. Never think for yourself. Good boy.

[@firedad7341]

👍🏼

[@alalal123421]

this is both true and not true. i mean its ridiculous to posit something this concretely about economies just in general but if were keeping it general yeah we cant control everything but you also cant have a decentralized/untethered free market neither. some balance of the free market and regulation is what has made the US economy both powerful but also sustainable, otherwise people would have long been losing limbs at work and dying from exhaustion/healthcare malpractices children traumatized/damaged by work conditions etc

[@joeywheelerii9136]

The only reason America is "sustainable" is the petro dollar. The only reason we could have tens of trillions of debt is because of it. Now the world is going away from the dollar and the American way of life will die. Gotta congratulate the boomers hopefully they feel content that they have truly disappointed their parents.

[@requited2568]

Sustainable?

[@cryptozay5975]

But they will damn try to

[@Tom-kg6qe]

Is centralized banking (World Bank, Federal Reserve) a form of centralized economy?

[@Ml-de8qo]

Yes

[@SwoleBeastTribe]

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[@meritorioustechnate9455]

I completely disagree, Technocracy is form a government that can measure (quantitative research) each citizens values, and distribute products and goods. Information is free, and whoever controls it has power.

[@cd7059]

Jako get on the "imam of peace" you need more darkness in his podcast

[@KennyFlagg]

Was the apology for USPSA cheating behind the paywall? 🧐

[@Joseph-pd4xu]

Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand. As an aside, though, the Chinese are looking at AI to make a command economy as or more efficient than a market-based economy. Markets are great because they allow millions of stakeholders to participate in decisions on resource allocation, so it'll be interesting to watch how the Chinese experimentation goes.

[@Joseph-pd4xu]

It's really very interesting to think about. I if course, like every other American, prefer markets for freedom and liberty reasons. But the reason market economies have been more efficient than command economies is because as it turns out millions of small, incremental decisions make fewer errors than a few big decisions. And AI can be stunningly effective at some surprisingly complex tasks, but I hope that making millions or billions of small resource-allocation decisions turns out not to be one of its strengths.

[@JustinL614]

You can't but you can make a ton of money by pretending you can.

[@freedomfighter9532]

Arrogance = Ignorance, Cockiness combined

[@ianmedford4855]

Jocko is sticking his toe in the water... and swimming in that shit is gonna require a guy who doesn't mind being cold and wet. Anyone know somebody like that?

[@SpazBates]

As "Simple" (I mean that in a good way) as you are and as simply-as-possible you try to break it all down it still sounds enormously complex...because it is. I think you would agree when I say that true leadership is rather basic. The BEST interest of your citizenry should be of paramount importance and nothing short of those aims. IF... there is a case to be made for a gentler approach to any given situation... it can still be made with all prudence afforded. The problem is radical emotional types that have no checks & balances with what actually IS and what ISN'T in the real world. It's foolish beyond belief. It's like bringing your kids to work with you.

[@さんワリマイ]

China?

[@FlyingJolly]

Tell this to the technocrats of the World Economic Forum and the fools who subscribe to their propaganda.

[@mrdavinci4178]

XRP is the future

[@ericktellez7632]

So many wrong things said on this video and all these people thinking the host are somehow smart.

[@Sup_Mate]

Navy SEAL economics.

[@spaceoregano2790]

Schmocko Schmillink

[@mikepict9011]

Your just a contractor who didn't do his job . Want to fight about it ?

[@ethanburnand3045]

Aq

[@darthfb]

Invest in Crypto while it's cheap

[@cryptozay5975]

I mean countries have been made centralized for hundreds of years where gov and regimes dictate societies. Communism??? The uprising interests in socialism is just a nice word for communism which is centralized.

[@MrVanzine]

Centralized Economies are made everyday online and off, Bitcoin was owned by 1 person once upon a time

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

And back then the only thing you could buy with bitcoin was... nothing. It had no value until the userbase reached a critical mass.

[@Faeron1984]

You're clueless

[@requited2568]

Bitcoin was open to anyone, still is technically.

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

@Ho lee Fuk that sounds a lot like value to me. Also the feds havent cracked Tor. Can NSA deanonymize a targeted user given enough time and resources? Yes. Can the FBI pull up a list of every darknet market buyer and seller? No. If they could, there'd be a lot more pedophiles in jail right now. If you knew the average federal agent, youd realize how absurd it would be to imagine them letting the huge number of pedophiles at large on the darknet walk freely. If they had those capabilities, theyd use them.

[@kazkk_87]

I have no problem with capitalism and free market in principle. You are right that a centralized economy doesn’t work but capitalism must be muzzled unless it will ruin a country like it has done US.

[@winateverything3710]

Capitalism ruined the US?

[@Numantino312]

crony capitalism is not capitalism and it's certainly not a free market

[@Orcawhale1]

First instance of Jocko being confidentiality incorrect. Centralized economies have been in place and worked for numerous countries.

[@codyvandal2860]

"worked." No, no they haven't.

[@Orcawhale1]

@@codyvandal2860 Yes, they have.

[@codyvandal2860]

@@Orcawhale1 lmao

[@Orcawhale1]

@@codyvandal2860 Oh, so your denying the victory of the US during WWII? The US had a planned economy during WWII... Lmao, a american who don't even know his own country.

[@codyvandal2860]

@@Orcawhale1 The US did not have a "planned economy" during WW2 or at any point in it's history lol what are you smoking and I never said I was american

[@SweatyFatGuy]

Politicians are VERY guilty of assuming everyone will do what they are told to do, and that the people work for the politicians. AOC is a prime example of someone who doesn't grasp the concept she is a PUBLIC SERVANT not a ruler. They sent us into Iraq 31 years ago, and then made us continually torment them until they sent us back into Iraq in 2003. I was part of BOTH of those conflicts, I was there. My brother and many friends were there in 03 as well, not all of them came back, and those of us who did are not who we once were. What did it accomplish? Some people made money on it.. but it wasn't us. Where were the politicians? In their safe secure bubble wrapped world where everyone tells them yes and they assume they are the smartest people ever to walk the earth, and they think they have all the answers. "Cant we just drone him?" or "What's the difference?" and "We came, we saw, he died." (evil cackle) that is the type of people who enter government. Now they are mucking about with the economy, doing what they want to benefit themselves at our expense, and they seem to believe we will just let them do it to us and we will do nothing. Over the last 32 years, how many men have served and/or seen combat and are now trying to survive with the poor choices, outright mistakes, and the idiotic manipulations foisted upon us but idiots in government who don't comprehend the word hubris? I have yet to talk to another veteran who thinks the idiots in government are on the right path. I build cars in my retirement, engines are a complex piece of machinery. You have some wiggle room with things like cam timing, but when you change one thing, it changes everything connected to it and requires different parts to control those changes. Then that moves the power band around, and that affects how it drives. You can understand an engine, because it is very finite and predictable. You cannot comprehend all the variables, variances, and individual choices people make on a daily basis. I am a gearhead, and for the last 35 years I have understood that most people think of a car as an appliance, they just want it to go A to B, put fuel in and go. They don't want to know how it works, and they don't need to know. They have other priorities and interests. However, you take away my old cars, force me into an apartment somewhere, make me own nothing and then assume that will make me happy...well you just removed my entire reason for existing and left me nothing to lose. They can't leave well enough alone. They are like that teenager who goes out and buys a bunch of stickers and crap to put on, and does stupid things to the car his parents gave him, making it worse with every change. He thinks its awesome, but its a heap of shit. He can't work on it, he doesn't have the tools or the knowledge, so he is more of a danger to the vehicle than someone who never changes the oil or puts air in the tires, because he is actively fucking with it and screwing it up. It gets worse with every change, because he has no idea how complex it is. The difference is the kid with the car can learn about it, and make good choices, plan things out and make it work.. the politicians cannot, because people are not machines, they are not automatons, they don't obey your demands. The USA began because a group of people didn't want someone dictating to them what they had to do. The rebel is in most of us, its in our DNA. When these people screw things up bad enough, they will find out first hand what that means.