You CANNOT Get off the Ledge Against Ice Climbers! (UN-PATCHED! AYYE)

[@louierichardson8832]

Squall hammer sounds terrifying when slowed down.

[@GimR]

I know right? 😂

[@DeltaTried]

@@GimR I actually like the sound.

[@adamice2526]

It sounds so satisfying

[@karlcossaboon7072]

Louie Richardson ya And then the f smash afterwards sounds like something just exploded

[@StormierNik]

Both of the ice climbers in general while slowed down sound like demons clawing their way back from being forgotten

[@marche800]

Forward Smash hitting it slow motions sounds like an artillery shell landing in a war movie.

[@mr.rad-guy3767]

Little Mac players: Ha! you can't ledge guard me if I already can't get back to ledge anyways.

[@drekthgrek5896]

Doctor Mario: ->

[@nofilterneito]

The 3.1.0 side b buff begs to differ >_>

[@Milesprowerthegamer]

*Chrom players

[@Thundra1000]

@@nofilterneito His recovery is still pretty dang bad. His vertical recovery was always his problem

[@nofilterneito]

Sygg Victorios that’s fair

[@sethswoodruff]

damn now all 6 icies players can beat me

[@Toooooaaaaad]

No, 7 after this video

[@karlcossaboon7072]

Ismael Santiago make that 8 icies players now

[@go-go-rilla4405]

Make that 9 ices broski

[@chromybutt7385]

They are spreading and multiplying... it’s over. Year is 20XX EVERYBODY PLAYS ICIES

[@Fenyll_Fur]

They're spreading like the plague. At least it's not Olimar.

[@kazuYoshi_]

If you take tech from Big D, you have to abide by his naming conventions and squall hammer is now legally called sister twister

[@FreezeFlares]

Haha oh no I already have issues with icies. You keep making it worse

[@justice8718]

I’m fucking terrified of them now.

[@k-leb4671]

Someone's gonna somehow discover some kind of chain-grabbing combo for them...just because it's Ice Climber fate.

[@o_q]

Delete this video pls gimr

[@dddmemaybe]

The best two options: 1. Mixing up when you grab the ledge such as how M2K and other Marth players in Melee will hold their jump (can add jump distance with air dodge in ultimate) and also time their up-b at different heights. 2. Holding down to use recovery Up-b's through ledge and hit 1-2 iceclimbers (best on mario, pikachu K.K.Rool ect.).

[@bruce4139]

Try fighting inklings

[@Galaxxyss]

"The Big D Set-up" *_well that's not the type of smash im looking for_*

[@ryaneucacion8764]

"the D is for Dawson, I swear!"

[@gabeskai]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@dmoc7546]

Weeb

[@chiefbeef5590]

😆

[@frogger551]

@@dmoc7546 wow! that certainly is a reply!

[@elpokitolama]

Am I the only one scared by the mortar sound of the slowed down f-smash? You can hear Palutena's skull breaking

[@CatShapedDonut]

Yeowch

[@doctorbig2950]

Gimr over here pushing the ice climbers meta single handedly. Also Big D, credit to my guy.

[@MotherLoverx3]

Don't forget Keitaro 😂

[@sixkayjay]

Hes very much not doing it single handedly. The discord is pushing it really consistently

[@dende_ult714]

Most of the icies mains already knew this, when I first saw that few months ago I went crazy

[@wavedash-]

Thank god these two people are both single-handedly pushing this character

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

big d, bigger heart, biggest brain

[@Greenomb]

7:50 Oh no, he is officially siding with the IC players. We are all doomed...

[@TheNuclearHawk]

He is siding with science and suspense!

[@zabokaleta6728]

i feel like the counter is a jump off fair, but i’m not 100% i have to lab

[@Greenomb]

@@zabokaleta6728 Yeah, he didn't talk about letting go of the ledge at all, but that stuff is always risky because it cost you your DJ.

[@murdey]

Counterplay> shark the ledge with dedede uair

[@DaChongster]

The bigger hammer winz

[@YounesLayachi]

This is a cool technical name I heard it before but didn't understand why they'd call it that, now I do

[@CastafioreOnYoutube]

Having problem with hammers? JUST USE A BIGGER HAMMER!

[@dagingerbreadman70]

DaChongster I have it on good authority that the GIMs always wins actually

[@esqimo6647]

Da GingerBreadMan oh hello gingerbread man

[@breloom657]

Fans: "Wobbling and chain-grabs are broken! Get rid of it!" Sakurai: "Ok."

[@ender2028]

“They won’t be able to punish you because the squall hammer is coming in their face.” ...

[@hafz9417]

Sup

[@Toooooaaaaad]

Big D setup

[@GimR]

Follow me on Twitch plz Gonna start streaming at 20,000 followers: www.twitch.tv/gimr Edit: Seems some people found this distasteful because I'm not willing to "work for it". I own and operate 2 companies (VGBootCamp and Xanadu Games), and operate a super major (Pound). This KZbin Channel is my side project. I literally do not have the time to stream on Twitch regularly unless my starting point is decently high. I just don't have the time unless I know it's a good idea so I'm gauging interest. I get that it seems greedy without context, but please understand that I'm already spreading myself thin and I'm not willing to do it more so unless there are guaranteed gains from it. I don't get complaints when I promote my other platforms so I don't really understand why there's so much anger behind me promoting my Twitch.

[@enderdragon5299]

Pretty sure you're supposed to stream to get followers, not get followers to start streaming lmao

[@uwirl4338]

I really appreciate the fact that you pretty much singlehandedly manage the entire Smash competitive scene but I don't think telling people to subscribe to your Twitch so that you can safely start streaming is ok. It's like asking for someone to simply gift you money so you can start a business with no risk whatsoever. Of course streaming isn't profitable at the beginning; it's not meant to be, because to start streaming is an investment (even if only a time investment) and you only get your channel to be profitable if you are a decent enough streamer. But you're just using your popularity on this community to try to break this system and to skip that first step. Really, GimR?

[@kurthuffman8116]

@@uwirl4338 there's no negatives of what he's asking though. What exactly is the problem? Pretty much exactly like setting sub goals

[@kurthuffman8116]

@@uwirl4338 Like you said, he has a following. Why can't he tell them to follow him on twitch?

[@Txukasa1]

The Gimz always wins~

[@marche800]

GimR singlehandedly pushing the Icies Meta. The madman.

[@Nitro1396]

Big D: am I a joke to you?

[@mehgamer467]

single handedly? What? Please go on ice climber discord and see how you are wrong. They've been labbing the cool stuff before gimr did it and some other things they already knew like this.

[@marche800]

@@mehgamer467 I know but GimR is giving a platform to this new tech. It would be very unlikely the mass majority of the player base would know any of this unless they went on Icies discord. Now a whole bunch of people understand that and can speak highly about the character instead of constantly trash talking them.

[@karlcossaboon7072]

This dude prolly spends more time labbing stuff than actually playing the game Thank you For finding all of our ice climber tech It is very helpful

[@GimR]

It's actually true

[@franciscofernandez8183]

I just love how no matter the game engine, meta, or Sakurai efforts; Ice climbers are always gonna break something.

[@etaquince5220]

The magic of having two pawn instead of one

[@jacksonbranby]

I mean, sakurai knows whats up, he keeps buffing their desyncs every patch

[@ciarankeirle-singer1036]

they didn't break anything in smash 4

[@shunn889]

@@ciarankeirle-singer1036 :(

[@snitchbug]

Cheren the 3ds

[@edddy]

I'm so glad the Ice Climbers have something after Nana got lobotomized during grabs.

[@esqimo6647]

And then cheer cancelling came along...

[@esqimo6647]

With spotdodge and roll...

[@esqimo6647]

And then every other set up that are really easy like nana squall and jump CC...

[@koelee]

The reason why we don't see Icies players in tournaments is because they're preparing for their regime. Just get ready for the day when Icies mains take over smash, and we're all forced to be their tech slaves.

[@KillzoneMD]

I just love naming tech after Big D. "The Big D trump" is the most powerful name

[@Snidbert]

"The Big D Trump" is such a good tech, they named a US president after it

[@sambews5679]

Gimr: No one can escape the Ice climber ledge trap. Jiggly Puff/Phiranna Plant/King K Rool/Pikachu/Pichu/Diddy Kong: Goes under stage to other ledge.

[@GhostbusterPalu]

Watching these videos makes me think GimR hates Wolf and Palu because they're simple to play and broken. So he uses them as the test dummies. Truth is, coincidentally enough, I main BOTH of these chars!

[@justice8718]

Actually that’s why they are the best characters to use, they are the most played.

[@kevChess]

This game was not meant to have 2 characters be played by GimR Nintendo knew this. *NINTENDO ALWAYS KNEW THIS.*

[@smittynumber1812]

Ice Climbers are god tier characters they just need god tier players

[@hafz9417]

Im a simple man, I see Ice Climbers I click

[@hafz9417]

@@Nessboy12 sup didn't think Id see you here

[@benscones9529]

"Squall hammer will be coming in their face."

[@GimR]

I know...T.T

[@cupstone-mcol]

Sakurai has decided to spare us this day, 5.0.0 brought this good shit back. Don't change the title, though. I want to troll non-Ice Climbers scrubs on Quickplay a little longer.

[@villytillycato4279]

Ice Climbers mains whenever GimR uploads: **happiness noises**

[@King-wc6bl]

I think Ice Climbers are secretly the best and scariest characters in the game. De-sync tech and stuff like this, if you can play it perfectly like a pro, is unbeatable by most

[@Bread._]

I've watched this video like 5 times and I just realized there's a little nugget of knowledge that you barely touched on around 4:09 about using crouch to stop one climber from moving while you move the other during a desynced side-b. That's just useful to remember in general for positioning during desyncs.

[@iAmAbsoluteFilth]

Sakari: This looks busted Also Sakari: Oh well

[@hatjousuke]

So how long until ice climbers are top tier❔

[@julianramos9368]

Once people have mastered them

[@TheFantasticWarrior]

Julian Ramos 7 years then?

[@julianramos9368]

@@TheFantasticWarrior yeah sounds about right

[@SPZ-gv2on]

15 years before pacman then?

[@coldtum2278]

When nana is fix.

[@nathanielstein8904]

I fear the first man to master ics in ultimate

[@icepopz1152]

Hey man love your videos. I’d like to see you keep producing skits even during tourney off time. Maybe invite out random Melee and Ultimate players to film with you. Anyway, keep it up.

[@AnarchoCatBoyEthan]

I've never not enjoyed a Gimr Tech video, also I went and immediately followed you on twitch and I'm awaiting your streams man. Keep up the good work.

[@GimR]

thank you man. I really appreciate it!

[@moonwatchereclipse5291]

Until Nana grabs ledge when you want to recover.

[@carrier2823]

GimR uploads! *meta rapidly changes*

[@koelee]

I always knew Icies were possessed. You can hear their inner demons when their animations get slowed down.

[@battl3rpwn]

6:26 "coming in their face" 😏

[@kevinrivera9917]

GimR is pushing the Icies apocalypse with every upload

[@kallmekrow822]

It just looks like IC is heavily slept on. I they had this much tech don’t you think that might high tier or higher. They have so much potential. Oh yeah what about get up attack.

[@yano4473]

If you've got disjointed aerials just shark the ledge. For example Marcina up air should break this and even set up for a juggle on characters who have a hard time landing anyways.

[@nextos]

Awesome as always. looking forward to more amazing Icies content Gimr!

[@nofu373]

You’re so kind making all these videos for the 2 icies mains

[@GimR]

T.T

[@popo-cf5mh]

"You cannot get off the ledge against ice climbers" Laughs in dedede

[@jaasshhc1183]

Love your stuff GimR

[@Xrelent]

Counterplay that players coming from Melee thought of instantly: Buffer drop off the ledge and regrab ledge or attack Popo. This set up is really cool and adds a unique and cool buff to Icies :))

[@JuuNoKholada]

Sakurai: *sigh* how many times do I have to nerf you???

[@marutafrfx8910]

thank you for not giving those setup ridiculous names

[@GimR]

The GimZ WinZ Setup

[@johngroves2876]

In GimR's laboratooooryyyyyyy Lives the smartest boy you've ever seeeeeen

[@k-leb4671]

I feel like one way to make this more bearable is just to make Nana (or Popo if you're using the appropriate alt) not ledge-trump characters. I mean, she doesn't ledge-trump Popo. I don't know if that'll ruin a bunch of other Ice Climber strategies that aren't as frustrating for the opponent (and therefore deserve to stay), but it's a thought.

[@dee6561]

Ice Climbers get scarier with every GimR video.

[@TheRyanroar101]

A lot of people here are talking about icies being broke af, but as an icies main I would like to make a counterargument by listing all the problems with nanas ai: -Nana will always dodge back to ledge. Normally this is good, but if nana is under the stage dodging out towards the blast zones, she will nearly always miss the ledge and die -nana will sometimes use her second jump for no reason when your trying to recover, meaning that you can never really count on having a double jump for nana -on both yoshis story and unova pokemon league, theres a glitch where nana gets stuck on the platform above the ledge trying to get to the ledge. Because nana ai doesnt know how to fast fall, she will be stuck in an infinite jumping loop on the platform where she jumps, lands, and then jumps again. Only way to fix it is to get close to nana -if popos on the stage near the ledge and nanas on the ledge, you still control nana's getup options. This sounds fine for some things like this, but if popo goes down, nana falls off, and if popo then goes to the right, nana goes under the stage, causing her to die (this sounds really specific but it happens more than you think) -nanas gravity (the area in which popo controls her) is really undefined when falling, meaning that sometimes you can recover and sometimes you just cant for no reason -when you use side b to recover, there is a (to my knowledge) random glitch where popo and nana use their individual side bs instead of the united one, causing nana to fall to her death This is just the glitches with nana ai, there are other problems too. I'm not saying you shouldnt play ice climbers, but icies are not broken and if you do want to play ice climbers you should be ready for some of the harsh realities that come along with it.

[@m8uwut]

I don't think this is going to be effective against D3.

[@peepz1000]

ima use this against my friends and say when they do any getup option, im just gonna say "shouldnt have done that"

[@harkbreadbox2706]

Right when I want to stop maining them you release this... I just cant get away

[@sirsandshrew4411]

A Rosalina and Luma tech vid or something along those lines would be appreciated, they have potential and as always great video!👌👌

[@Yoyomo124]

Sir Sandshrew I second this

[@goldenyellowapple]

Ah yiss, the eggs always wins

[@Playboyvet_]

I learned more than School

[@seamusflannery3374]

What kind of school are you going to? 😂😂😂

[@ryanfoley8897]

@@seamusflannery3374 A normal school, after elementary school is useless.

[@seamusflannery3374]

Ryan Foley I know I was just kidding

[@azimuth9819]

As an icies players this is common knowledge, they're so fun. The pivot grab whiff at ledge is more reliable for the trump, and also if you do it late after they start getting up, have nana do a getup attack and she'll send them in the perfect direction for a back air from popo

[@karlcossaboon7072]

Hey GimR Where would you put icies in the tier list? A bunch of my friends argue over this quite often Most of the time they etheir say icies are really good or really bad some of them say icies are D tier Others say top 3 in the entire game I think they about lower part of B tier maybe high C Because their desync stuff is really good but it’s also very difficult to pull off unlike some characters like lucina pichu and olimar that are all really good and just straight up kill you And character like peach also have kill confirms but their not completely frickin impossible to pull off like icies combos So with a good player playing them Where are icies in the tier list

[@GimR]

A- / B+

[@wophful]

I swear to god half the cast of this game is slept on and super broken

[@sideofjay]

how do you figure these things out

[@SmokePudding]

The ice climbers discord figured this out a while ago

[@TheFantasticWarrior]

Smoke Pudding how do the ice climbers discord figure these things out

[@robertej09]

@@TheFantasticWarrior Playing the character. Accident sometimes lol. Nana does something stupid on her own and then somebody says, hey, I could ledge trump with Nana while f-smashing with Popo. A lot of desync options have been known for a long time now, and then from there it's creativity with combos and option selecting.

[@TheFantasticWarrior]

robertej09 I said it as a joke but thanks

[@marcelo55869]

Years of research? (Sorry. I'M SORRY. I'm sorry. i'm sorry...)

[@jannicwestrich1290]

everytime gimr says: "all these options are punishable" it calms me

[@bman3977]

I think it’s time to main Ice Climbers now...

[@superemanuel6428]

Lol that thumbnail. XD

[@funnynin5140]

so does gimr main icies now ?

[@mcgoldenblade4765]

Gimr, stop this. At this rate you're gonna end up killing this game like you did Project M.

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Can't it just get up attack tho

[@Rendorina]

I didn't know he killed project m. How exactly did he do it?

[@YounesLayachi]

GimR's back to the lab again, and his opponents are back to the ledge again

[@el_duck6577]

What about drop down to up air? (as any sword character)

[@mushman1395]

Great video and good music choice! Freezeezy peak is awesome!

[@KuroShiiiiro]

3rd in the state is a IC and now I'm even more scared, if he sees this Especially because I such at getting back on stage

[@sillymizooker]

imagine having school lol

[@spritemaster8980]

Popo with eyebrows is something that just needs to never exist.

[@TheRyanroar101]

everybody thinks icies are broken but y'all are forgetting that nana is suicidal

[@MasterZoGaming]

"The Gims Always Wins"

[@dagingerbreadman70]

I main ic and still can’t do this. “Don’t predict it, react to it”. Ok chief 😂👌

[@ismtud1364]

6:54 Popo: Sup bitch Palutena: 😰

[@mcdonald5519]

Damn Icies are sick

[@hafz9417]

Hell yeah they are

[@thatwittywolf419]

No

[@tyraelprice8293]

They’re pretty scary once you get used to them...

[@TrueForm]

One of the few ways I can see out of his is to drop from ledge before the trump and regrab. That would probably require quite a bit of luck on the icoes missing and actually being fast enough to input it though.

[@FeepYiked]

"squall hammer will be coming in their face" lmaooooo

[@JohnSmith-kc6ov]

The background music took on a whole new meaning recently

[@jonnywatts7079]

6:25- the gims always wins

[@frewtlewps1152]

Slow mo Ice Climbers make the funniest noises

[@vector3366]

What if they drop down to mix you up? Or drop and jump to the side and use the air dodge? I would love to play someone who use this ledge trap against me it seems interesting

[@swagchomp]

Yall wanna discuss ways to beat this? Gimr we wont let you have that long

[@luckylucas8596]

6:25 - I wouldn’t go for a punish either if something was coming on my face.

[@brugbug165]

Evangelion 5.0: You Can (Not) Get Off The Ledge Against Ice Climbers

[@jakester362]

If you have Nana hold the ledge while Popo is on stage, and you hold away from stage and attack, Nana floats in place and does a fair.

[@GimR]

yeah it's pretty cool

[@TheZoinkster]

God I love ice climbers

[@Furrvent]

As cool as the ice climbers are (pun intended) I feel like there to much work for the reward

[@Dr_Mel]

I must have laughed every damn time he showed the icies screaming in slow mo

[@DREAMSQU33ZE]

Ohhh geez I bet they’ll be terrifying much later in Ultimate’s lifespan if they dont patch these things

[@Lain_S-B]

Gimr really wants to see a ice climbers main

[@VampC]

Them demonic sounding slow motion Ice Climber sounds.

[@SlushTV]

I appreciate the use of Freezeasy Peak music

[@joppesijses]

1:45 wait u can do all 5? I thought buffering regular getup and ledge drop didn't work for avoiding Trump. Or is this changed up in ultimate from smash 4?

[@GimR]

In Ultimate you can

[@joppesijses]

@@GimR oh God thats so good to know thanks for replying man!!!

[@homesynthesis]

How do you do the desync forward smash? (7:08)

[@ProfCube]

Damn GimR got really good at this KZbin thing

[@reper6237]

Nana as of patch 4.0 can not ledge trump. Rendering this tech... no longer possible.