You don't OWN any movies... - Physical Media vs Digital Media

[@ElliotCoen]

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[@pongchannel.]

But I can still make digital copies of my movies right? Also unlike digital dvds cant just be taken from you.

[@pongchannel.]

Because I have a couple of discs that are scratched to high heaven and I want to make a copy of just in case

[@heartofcinema3454]

Good point, well raised. The digital sellers need to be more transparent to customers and make them understand this.

[@heartofcinema3454]

Different strokes for different folks.

[@misterlexx2721]

You get superior audio on the discs as well. Uncompressed audio that sounds stunning on a home theater surround system or soundbar with subwoofer.

[@canterasehistory3060]

Christopher Nolan wants fans to keep buying films on Blu-ray.Physical discs,not streams.

[@kurtdewittphoto]

I've been rapidly building my collection via a local pawn shop. People buy the physical movies, then turn them in after using the digital code. So a lot of them are basically in new condition. I love it. I will never go digital only for movies. I don't care about the space they take up.

[@gage4375]

Yup

[@centurion8446]

Yeah they are great for cheap series etc, got a series for $10 wile seeing it brand new for $80 in store...

[@robertszvetics210]

Tell best buy that. I hope they go out of bussiness.

[@NEXCUSX]

You can always rip them too, cause disc rot will happen unfortunately.

[@kurtdewittphoto]

@robertszvetics210 I've spent plenty there on movies too, but their selection hasn't been great over the last few years, which led me to look other places.

[@travis1240]

When physical media goes out of print you don't lose the right to watch the movie even technically. Copyright law says that you own a copy and therefore you can use that copy in certain prescribed ways. You can even resell it regardless of if the original publisher still has the rights to it. This is called the "first sale doctrine". With "digital" copies you have basically no rights except a revocable license to use the content as long as it is convenient for both the copyright holder and the streaming provider.

[@captaindestruction9332]

Your also to my knowledge free to make copies of your movies so long S your not selling the copies or giving them away(though who’s actually going to know or care?)

[@Telebision]

@@captaindestruction9332 There’s a label on the back of the dvd cover that says “Do Not Copy Disc”. Unless, you are putting it to a hard drive. You can’t however “copy” dvd on to a blank disc.

[@gigaprime5799]

How come we can’t fight for the same rights for digital media?

[@Wizo25]

100% spot on. Physical media is considered property. Do enough searches and you will see cases of divorce and will going over ownership of physical media like DVDs. The narrative that disc need a license to play would only work if courts didn't give a mountain of legal precedence that such things are private property.

[@Untrus]

Own true lies and the abyss for years on Vudu played them many times over the years and both had lapses in the license just last week both licenses were renewed and I gained access to the new licenses in my library the picture of the movie changed it’s still in HD not 4k but it’s the new transfer that plays when I watch it and it says I still own both movies same for Halloween 4 and 5 both movies are not available for purchase anymore but I can watch both movies because it says I own them in HDX… I also gained the new transfer of aliens unfortunately only in HD and not 4k like I mentioned before with the others

[@stefano9638]

Long live physical media!

[@ElliotCoen]

Amen!

[@sharkiealami7817]

Not really. Even PS5 has digital only too plus digital is cheaper

[@bill1682]

@@sharkiealami7817 digital is not always cheaper some games are more expensive digital especially after a few months

[@Laremy]

@@sharkiealami7817 "cheaper" is a relative statement.

[@AustenHilton]

@@sharkiealami7817 you can make up the cost with physical games

[@bmg5015]

I've always told people, I don't own the movie but I own a COPY of the movie. Therefore the movie can't be taken away from me no matter if a studio loses the license to it or not. That's why there are protections on the disc to prevent me from EASILY copying to another disc, simply because I don't OWN the actual movie.

[@lucifermorningstar5258]

Facts.

[@Wegetsignal]

I mean it is remarkably easy to accidentally click download on MakeMKV and accidentally hit the go button and again accidentally, I end up with a 1:1 copy, minus DRM. I slipped I swear!

[@ericmiller254]

There is no criminal or civil liability for getting around that DRM It's yours It's also their right to sell you the disc in the format they choose. In some relevant cases they can void warranty and service that's their only real recourse. They do not have a right to set arbitrary terms of service about what you do with that property after they sell it to you. Which is why no one in the US have ever been prosecutod for making copies of media. They do prosecute in Japan, and i mean just ripping your music onto your PC. The Japanese don't own their media. Sharing can be a civil violation and you can get sued but that's only if you're offering it to literally everyone on the planet in the states. Maybe don't listen to corporate lawyers boys. You should understand the practicalities IP law better than that.

[@DVDandFilmBloke]

@@Wegetsignal It's not illegal for you to make backups of your own content for your own enjoyment, it only becomes illegal if you make multiple copies and sell them to people (whether it is for a profit or not).

[@sai24681]

@@Wegetsignal .

[@atoz6552]

Thankfully, Amazon will not show up at my door to take my discs back. That's what matters

[@francsiscog]

Exactly, the point is that buying digitally they can remove the movie from your library. They cannot do that for anything we actually own physically. Maybe eventually when they outlaw certain movies and books, they may come in our homes forcefully and remove what is deemed offensive and evil.

[@jonyoungmusic]

@@francsiscog I better hide my gone with the wind VHS!

[@DodgerFanAD_23]

That’s invading people’s personal belongings and space , and it better NOT have anything to do with cancel culture.

[@austinwillcut4919]

@@francsiscog Sounds like a V For Vendetta scenario.

[@mattmatt2417]

Physical media/blurays,games and books, for me, are for prepping/are for knowing I have these things, NO MATTER WHAT, that being said, I also have PDFs/digital copies as well, that I buy separately/ none of these came from the physical bluray boxes/Physical books/ I buy these separately, and I don't have to log in to ANYTHING/be connected to the internet/ping a server, to prove I own it/to watch them/read them, and I can put them on any device, such as tablets/flashdrives/computers/multiple hardrives/SSDs and so on, AND I ALSO have Netflix,Hulu,Amazon Prime,HBO Max, CBS All Access, Disney Plus,Starz,Showtime,Cinamax/DIGITAL Direct TV and so on, BUT MOST of the time, I go the digital route, mainly for convince. I also have a gig down and gig up speed, no caps/restrictions, I don't think I can think of a time when my internets gone out, my power goes off, RARELY, BUT I do remember it going off, MAYBE 3 times this year, no longer than 2 hours, most of the time, less than five minutes, granted I do have a generator/solar/batterie back ups, as well, BUT yeah having those physical blurays/books/games, as a back up, DEFINITELY makes me feel better. I also don't have ANY DVDs, at this point/480p resolution wise, is just to low, FOR ME anyway, 1280x720p/720p, IS OKAY, BUT I prefer 1920x1080p/1080p or higher. I've been buying blurays since 2006. I do have 1 thing on DVD, BUT only, because its not been made on bluray, YET. Thats SG1, the complete series/ALL 10 Seasons, I have Atlantis, SGU AND ALL of the other stargate movies AND all my other movies are ALL on Bluray though/EVERYTHING else, BUT that, is on bluray. 1080p is perfect, 4k, isn't worth it, AND 5K/8K players don't exist, SO thats not an option, digital high resolution content, COULD be an option though,IF it wasn't compressed visually or audio wise. All of my displays, AT THIS POINT, are 4k/3840x2160p, My biggest 4k display, is 75inches and my smallest 4k display is 42inches and I have 10 of those, one in my bedroom, AND 3 at each of my desks/I have 3desks/offices/office areas, EVEN my projector AND laptops ARE 4k, AT THIS POINT/I started making the transition to 4k, in 2012 and finished in 2018, AND I have ONE 7680X4320P/8K 50inch display,BUT 1080p and 4k, isn't a big enough jump, for me, 5k and 8k, IS though/5K looks really really good AND 8K is AMAZING. I mainly have 8k and 4k, for gaming though/ I have two desktops, they both have 64GBs of RAM,2 3090s in SLI and I9s. My main laptop has a 17.3inch 4k display, an I9, 2080 and 64GBs of RAM. I also have other linux laptops, that have I5s and 8GBs of RAM, they are 15inches. All of my systems have Manjaro linux AND windows 10 on them. At this point, the MAIN RULES, UNLESS, your trying to utilize old hardware/loading BODHI/Lite Weight Ubuntu or something on an ALREADY purchased machine; The rules are, NO TN panels, IPS NOW, 1080p or above, ALSO 16x9, is a requirement, UNLESS you have a specific task/reason that you NEED a crazy aspect ratio, NO dual core CPUs, quadcore/four core OR ABOVE, 8GBs of RAM, OR MORE, ALSO SSDs are really helpful for boot times/over all speed.

[@ESLTeacherTom]

You do indeed own the movies on DVD, blu-ray, VHS, etc. If this were not the case, no one would be able to legally rent out or re-sell them. Don't buy into the "you own nothing" narrative. Amazon has tried to copyright a basic color. You own your DVDs like you own your books. It is the copyright you do not own.

[@Hail-Marīyami]

right, fake outrage

[@mrhobs]

@@Hail-Marīyami Wait, who is fake outraged about what?

[@Hail-Marīyami]

@@mrhobs The video is a classic example of click rage baiting. A lot of KZbinrs I making content based on this technique to create content. Most people aren't falling for it.

[@Guy-cb1oh]

You own the piece of plastic the movie sits on not the movie itself.

[@mrhobs]

@@Hail-Marīyami Yeah I gotcha. If its something I happen to agree with, I'll go along with it for awhile... but it can be boring when its just an act... as it often is. Usually can only handle so much of that kind of content before I click off and watch a cartoon or music video lol.

[@always_serpico]

Yeah, but Paramount isn’t going to come to my house and pull DVDs and Blu-rays off my shelf. Not without me beating somebody’s ass.

[@TravelGuy9834]

For now, eventually, that's the next thing they will do, especially if it's deemed offensive or inappropriate.

[@mr_indie_fan]

"If somebody took 5 of your 10 dvds how many would you have left?" 10 dvds and a dead body

[@eternalfire580]

@@TravelGuy9834 That would be a total outrage it's like saying the government can come to your house and take certain foods from your kitchen just because they deem it "unhealthy"

[@TravelGuy9834]

@@eternalfire580 I agree, but sadly we are heading towards that direction.

[@eternalfire580]

@@TravelGuy9834 Yeah I know I just want to live in a free country not a dictatorship

[@aphillychristmas626]

THIS IS WHY PHYSICAL MEDIA IS THE BEST!

[@legendaryTMNICO]

Some people are crybabies crying about the digital codes that don’t come with the physical media.

[@2birds832]

@@legendaryTMNICO exactly, people shouldn’t buy physical media for the code, they should use the disc and then use code if you’re on a holiday or away from the disc etc

[@zacharylee1995]

Fact's

[@Babylon5Lurker5]

I have been telling people for years, "You don't actually own your digital movies. They can disappear at any time.", but they never listen.

[@TheOreoritz]

Comparable with all digital purchases... look at Apple apps, I purchased so many apps back in the 2010s.. but as Apple updated their iOS the developers get lazy and do not update their apps, therefore making your purchased app useless and unusable because it can’t be updated... 🙄

[@Babylon5Lurker5]

@@TheOreoritz So true, so true.

[@omegaman2767]

EXACTLY!! Better keep a physical copy of their favorites!! Digital copies is just a way of convenience (quick access, traveling with firestick/roku stick, etc.) always keep the physical media!!

[@Dan-wb3ed]

Kind of the same with video games. I bought a bunch of ps1 games on my ps3 back in the day and figured ill be able to play these on all future playstation consoles....nope. hasn't been supported since ps4 came out. So who's to say vudu is going to be around in 5 years, or whatever service you have. When buying digital you rely on a company to continue support for that service, the day they dont is the day you lose that content.

[@kimjongoof5000]

Movie spree lets me download anything I buy onto my hard drive and I can burn them onto DVD, so yes, you can own digital movies. It's only whether you can download them or not.

[@gavinramsden6571]

Can't believe you don't own Barry Lindon anymore Elliot, sorry for your loss. Rip.

[@jasonvoorhees3124]

I'm so glad you acknowledged how ridiculous this is! Can just imagine 2 burly guys in black suits and sunglasses banging on my door asking for my copy of Elf which I'm half way through!

[@ElliotCoen]

That thought made me laugh. Thanks, Chris!

[@phaenius]

How about tho men in black suits and dark sunglasses knocking on your door while you're midway through Men in Black? :) That's interactive movie for you. :D

[@pollyhorlander7389]

These days, with the biden fbi, who knows! Thirty agents with ak47s are likely to show up at your door! 😂

[@tkenjharrahne8740]

😂

[@nosuchthing8]

​@@pollyhorlander7389looking forward to voting for a dictator are we

[@s.patterson5698]

If you own a copy of any movie in physical format, you own that disk and whatever is on it for as long as it plays....just like clothing you buy. It is yours to wear as long as it is in good shape, still fits you, etc. Period! Took me less than thirty seconds to say this😮😮

[@michaelalanpowell]

Great video, just shows you can't beat physical media. I get told, by digital only types, that my blurays will deteriorate with time. Not if you look after them they won't. They will definitely out last digital by far!

[@johnhayes4700]

It wasn't Too Long ago that I Watched one of my First DVDs Ever , That was when DVD was Brand New , It worked Perfectly Fine in my 4k player. The Digital piece of paper gets Thrown in the Bin , Waste of Paper. I own Thousands of DVDs , Blu Rays and 4k they All Work ?

[@nickdorenkamp959]

When it comes to physical media vs. digital media honestly I prefer physical media. The reason as why I do is because 1. It makes finding a specific movie easier to find (or in the case of a TV series a specific episode) and 2. What you just said. I only ever used digital media as a decision maker to decide which movies are worth owning physically. I do this by acknowledging the fact that digital media is similar to broadcast rights with just a few differences. Personally I don't own anything on digital but I have both rented movies and had subscriptions to movie channels on Prime which to some extent count as digital media. Preferably I prefer movie channels over renting for convenience sake.

[@clintparker9700]

I own it. I can do what I want with my discs. No company can take them from me. Simple as that. I own my copies. The End.

[@lydiaruby89]

This and with recent editing of old properties is why I'm such a huge proponent for physical media. Dvds can never be edited and can never be taken back.

[@nu-metalfan2654]

Yeah I love physical media because it’s not only something you get to keep, but I just love the art work on the covers. Companies/labels like Arrow/Arrow Academy, Indicator, Scream/Shout Factory, Criterion, Kino Lorber, Eureka, Warner Archive, and Vestron all do amazing Blu Rays with good artwork, I just wish they could sell every Blu Ray because the standard Blu Rays don’t look as nice, and I wished they all sold Region B versions as well. But you can’t appreciate it as much when you are downloading or streaming digitally because you don’t get to keep it and you lose out on the great artwork.

[@ZeroESG.goopootoob]

It's all 'physical media.' You mean 'hard' copy.

[@Forestwidow]

I recently started creating my own physical 4k and Blu ray collection it's the first collection or hobby I have ever really truly had and it's been an absolute joy in a world that is turning to digital media when I see people freak out when they lose their license of a movie, show on streaming platforms or apps

[@mig1017]

Same here. Only just stated collecting last Summer. Got pretty much all my favourite films & tv shows in 4k/bluray. You're right, it's fun collecting & hunting bargains .

[@triplejazzmusicisall1883]

Question: Is 4k even 8k worth it for all. I am a 55-year-old with deteriorating vision. I own, which now is probably regarded as small, a 55 inch tv which plays DVD and Blu-ray. Due to the size of my house the tv is about 6 feet away from the viewing position. I had thought 4K was only noticeable in quality gain on very large screens that can be placed a certain distance away from the viewer? As for 8K I have been told it is near impossible to tell the difference as the human eye is just not that capable. With 8K unless you have the equivalent of a cinema complex room it is pointless. A final point (and thanks for baring with me) I have hundreds of DVDs that when the dvd.vhs combos came out I recorded all my vhs tapes onto DVD. It took 3 weeks of non-stop recording. Because these DVDs were originally from vhs tape, the flaws are surely more likely to be detected on a higher quality tv with greater definition. People seem to confuse 4k, 8k definition from the original recording i.e. I could watch my vhs material on a 4k screen, but it isn't going to look any better due to the original source material, as opposed to new material being recorded in 4 or 8K definition. Unless produced and worked on by experts i.e. 1Peter Jackson, past recordings will still look the same quality, won't they? Any info much appreciated. Last point though - surely, we must get to a definition size that eventually becomes irrelevant to the capacity of the human organ called the eye. I don’t know what definition rock star concerts screens are but there has to be a point where no more gain can be made unless as humans, we begin to turn ourselves into eyeborgs and artificially enhance our eyesight. God forbid that day will come - it will but not in my lifetime. Cheers.

[@AlSumait]

I mean I see where your going with this, but I disagree with your thought completely. In general, people are not stupid enough to think that they literally have the rights to an actual film. People who buy physical media aren’t going to think in that type of way and obviously aren’t going to acknowledge the thought of it. Just for the simple fact that it’s financially impossible for most people to own actual rights to any film. When you hear people say they own a certain movie, all they really mean is they own the Blu Ray disc. Nothing more and nothing less. So in my opinion, this video was interesting in detail, but useless for misunderstanding physical media ownership.

[@JamieRyanZERO]

I don't think Elliot means to imply that people think they own the legal rights to say the Godfather when they buy a DVD or whatever, but a lot of people don't realize that when they buy digitally, their purchase can be taken away from them whenever. Elliots just explaining why that's the case and that when you buy physically, while you similarly don't own the legal rights to the film it's logistically impossible for it to be taken away from you in that form.

[@darrenblizzard3851]

Yes I think it's clear that the point is the seller can retract access to a digital movie on your account but they can't make you give back your physical media copy. Moral of the story, don't purchase a digital copy.

[@zombeat7376]

I do agree but makes a very fair and strong point that physical media is not just a better way to buy movies it's also safer as no one can take them away after you have purchased them unlike what can happen with digital media . I genuinely think it is important to voice these things to people who generally only buy digital media. That although you pay for it, it can be taken from you and it is legal for them to do so. I think that's a very good point and good thing to know. But yes i do agree that nobody will think they own the rights to the movie. But nothing wrong whatsoever with stating facts albeit kind of obvious. But thought it was a very good video especially about what can happen to your digital purchases. May even be an eye opener to some people.

[@natethornton5646]

Yeah like I went out and bought John Wick a while back does it mean I bought a piece of the movie? Nope I bought the Blu-ray copy.

[@mattmatt2417]

Physical media/blurays,games and books, for me, are for prepping/are for knowing I have these things, NO MATTER WHAT, that being said, I also have PDFs/digital copies as well, that I buy separately/ none of these came from the physical bluray boxes/Physical books/ I buy these separately, and I don't have to log in to ANYTHING/be connected to the internet/ping a server, to prove I own it/to watch them/read them, and I can put them on any device, such as tablets/flashdrives/computers/multiple hardrives/SSDs and so on, AND I ALSO have Netflix,Hulu,Amazon Prime,HBO Max, CBS All Access, Disney Plus,Starz,Showtime,Cinamax/DIGITAL Direct TV and so on, BUT MOST of the time, I go the digital route, mainly for convince. I also have a gig down and gig up speed, no caps/restrictions, I don't think I can think of a time when my internets gone out, my power goes off, RARELY, BUT I do remember it going off, MAYBE 3 times this year, no longer than 2 hours, most of the time, less than five minutes, granted I do have a generator/solar/batterie back ups, as well, BUT yeah having those physical blurays/books/games, as a back up, DEFINITELY makes me feel better. I also don't have ANY DVDs, at this point/480p resolution wise, is just to low, FOR ME anyway, 1280x720p/720p, IS OKAY, BUT I prefer 1920x1080p/1080p or higher. I've been buying blurays since 2006. I do have 1 thing on DVD, BUT only, because its not been made on bluray, YET. Thats SG1, the complete series/ALL 10 Seasons, I have Atlantis, SGU AND ALL of the other stargate movies AND all my other movies are ALL on Bluray though/EVERYTHING else, BUT that, is on bluray. 1080p is perfect, 4k, isn't worth it, AND 5K/8K players don't exist, SO thats not an option, digital high resolution content, COULD be an option though,IF it wasn't compressed visually or audio wise. All of my displays, AT THIS POINT, are 4k/3840x2160p, My biggest 4k display, is 75inches and my smallest 4k display is 42inches and I have 10 of those, one in my bedroom, AND 3 at each of my desks/I have 3desks/offices/office areas, EVEN my projector AND laptops ARE 4k, AT THIS POINT/I started making the transition to 4k, in 2012 and finished in 2018, AND I have ONE 7680X4320P/8K 50inch display,BUT 1080p and 4k, isn't a big enough jump, for me, 5k and 8k, IS though/5K looks really really good AND 8K is AMAZING. I mainly have 8k and 4k, for gaming though/ I have two desktops, they both have 64GBs of RAM,2 3090s in SLI and I9s. My main laptop has a 17.3inch 4k display, an I9, 2080 and 64GBs of RAM. I also have other linux laptops, that have I5s and 8GBs of RAM, they are 15inches. All of my systems have Manjaro linux AND windows 10 on them. At this point, the MAIN RULES, UNLESS, your trying to utilize old hardware/loading BODHI/Lite Weight Ubuntu or something on an ALREADY purchased machine; The rules are, NO TN panels, IPS NOW, 1080p or above, ALSO 16x9, is a requirement, UNLESS you have a specific task/reason that you NEED a crazy aspect ratio, NO dual core CPUs, quadcore/four core OR ABOVE, 8GBs of RAM, OR MORE, ALSO SSDs are really helpful for boot times/over all speed.

[@cinemafella4429]

Guys lets not sweat the small stuff like this. Just buy what you wanna buy and know that your physical copy cant be taken from you by any means

[@mrb6172]

exactlyyyyy!!!!!

[@shauncameron8390]

They may not be taken away from you, but they can be made useless if the media device no longer supports them.

[@alicefarrer7771]

@@shauncameron8390 Not really. Even if they stop making bluray players, people will still be selling used ones on eBay. I mean, they are still selling used VHS players on there. Even Betamax. There is no way that anyone watching Elliiot's video is ever going to live so long that there is no way they can get a Blueray player. And if TV stops supporting them, then you just buy a used, older TV.

[@pontiacw7]

By any means? Really? So fires and floods and other forms of disaster never happens?

[@conorfurlong]

It’s as simple as this: you do own it for personal use - you are legally allowed to watch it for as long as you have a player capable of playing it, regardless of it going out of point; the film company going bankrupt; or the film rights being sold to a another company, etc etc. It is yours for personal use forever. But... you can’t go around playing your blu rays on a large screen for public audiences. You can’t make copies and share them with friends or sell copies. This has always been the case.

[@williamwest7008]

Facts!

[@pongchannel.]

You cant sell copies copies but if you bought 1 legally u can sell it

[@pongchannel.]

Also u can bring a freind over to play it

[@Spazza42]

You can easily make copies for your friends, you could even sell copies for cheaper for others - just don’t get caught. One of the biggest benefits of physical media is being able to share it with your friends. When you talk about how good a film is, an album or a video game you’re able to offer them the copy to play it. No one cared if you swapped PS2 games as a kid.

[@conorfurlong]

@@Spazza42 What you are describing is piracy. Of course people do it but it is still breaking the law.

[@Yuginami]

Other good complaint about digital downloaded movies is that you NEED internet to watch them. If the internet disconnects for any reason, the customer's movie experience is ruined.

[@ElliotCoen]

Yes, very true! Thanks for watching.

[@dylanringproductions160]

Yes! Blu Ray disk obviously don't require internet and the quality of the disk isn't going to get worse when you don't have wifi lol

[@Chopperwocky]

On the other hand,your blu ray player could break.Or the electricity powering your player goes off.

[@dylanringproductions160]

@@Chopperwocky Or your internet modem could break and you couldn't stream anything.

[@WhirlingMusic]

@@Chopperwocky Or your house burns down

[@velavideoentertainment]

Interesting take. My mindset is. If you own a Blu-Ray disc it’s your disc and yours forever if you keep it. No streaming service can alter the contents on that disc. And you don’t need to connect to the internet to watch your disc. YOU OWN IT. Simple as

[@RexorProxer]

3 Years later and Disney Stops producing Blurays and DVDs for the Australian and New Zealand market. Times are Crazy.

[@joshuabennett1756]

I own a plethora of DVD’s in my personal library and I’ll continue to buy movies on dvd because that’s how I’ve always done it since I was a kid this whole streaming era is just craziness and it’s takes the joy out of buying a movie and “owning it” in your digital library

[@johnhayes4700]

I Fully Agree , I am the Same it is all about Money , Disney made more from Streaming than Physical Disks . Give me a Hard Copy any Day and I am More than Happy to Pay for It ?

[@DatBoi]

I will always prefer physical media over digital, hands down. IMO you get the perfect picture and perfect audio, and to me that is what matters most. And if the internet ever goes down for a while or I have no access to the internet I will always have my 4K, Blu Ray, DVD, and VHS player around to watch whatever I own. It’s a total win in my eyes. I have heard nightmares of people getting their digital accounts hacked and losing all those movies they own digitally, that would suck. My movies are here to stay and I will always buy physical. I just hope it is here to stay. It really sucks walking into my local Best Buy and seeing literally only 1-2 rows of movies when there used to be at least 8. Especially my local Walmart they are only down to 1 isle now. It truly is sad.

[@I_WANT_MY_SLAW]

I disagree on the quality argument. Some things you can get in 4K. But others, such as classic Nickelodeon shows, you can't.

[@Krshna28]

Even if your DVD goes out of print (OOP). That doesn't mean you cannot watch your DVD of the film. This is a exception to the current laws. If this wasn't the case, then selling second-hand DVD's would be illegal. And eBay and Amazon would be forced to stop people from selling used DVDs. They would also be forced to stop selling their last stock of brand new DVDs that are now OOP. The same applies to music and videogames.

[@enterprisedavidcain]

Soon the laws will change and they can take them, I just know it

[@articulatechav2668]

They can take my disks when they pry them from my cold dead hands.

[@stephendevore3902]

🙏 Amen🤣

[@Furudal]

They can not take them. He was wrong. With the Disc you buy a perpetual licence to play it as long as it lasts. This continues even if the publisher of the disc loses rights etc. In Europe you are even allowed to sell the disc, togehter with the license, legally. I can not speakt to how this works in the US or anywhere else.

[@louiswright8282]

Lol TF2 Reference

[@hypocriticalsatire3966]

@@Furudal If there is any other country involving freedom and property with legalities that allow you to keep what you buy its the US lol

[@hvitekristesdod]

In the wise words of Charleton Heston

[@CharlieMikeNS]

Just because it's in the terms and conditions doesn't mean it's legally enforceable or can't be overridden by a court. Contracts and T&C get thrown out all the time in court.

[@gswithen]

Now, if they start making physical discs that self destruct after the license runs out we may be in trouble.

[@patricklow712]

Yes, that would be awful!

[@Butter-Milk]

They kinda already did that. They made disposable DVDs that were sold as an alternative to rentals: you don't have to return the disc, but you can't watch it after a few days.

[@MichaelYT23]

Flexplay did this. Thankfully it failed.

[@dslking]

Everyone will just pirate and the movie industry will die out then.

[@HatredInTheFlesh]

@@Butter-Milk That sounds like a terribly anti-consumer idea from the get-go, not to mention the ecological implications it would have if it took off and became a mainstream idea.

[@ChrisHillmon]

I'm gonna say it: LONG LIVE DVD LONG LIVE BLU-RAY And yes, I'm gonna also include this one. LONG LIVE VHS

[@C--A]

You forgot LaserDisc 💿😉

[@SkyScourgeGod]

Might as well throw Betamax, Video CD and HD DVD in there lol.

[@wolfhawk1999]

This sounds like a bit of a semantic argument. You may own the disk, but for all intents and purposes you "own" the movie. I get what you are saying, but come on man

[@KnightmareUSA]

The most ridiculous thing about digital is that companies want you to pay fully, for something now out of your control. On a platform which will remove, edit or censor content when it is made to, or wishes to. It's no different to videogames that will only work through a launcher application (steam,epic,rockstar). You own nothing. if the platform disappears, your content does to. I stop at netflix with digital. Everything else is on disc. 4K physical was increasing in use slowly a couple of years ago. I'm not sure of it's current state. I suspect companies may want it to disappear unless it's now the vinyl of cinema and overly expensive. Some articles claim AI is now ruining digitally available 4K movies. They aren't truly 4K as the movies are upscaled with fake detail which doesn't always look right, or is inconsistent with artifacts and blur. If that transfers over to 4k physical then collectors won't be happy and there could be a rapid decline. A con with future physical could be if a disc also required you to access the internet, as even if the content was in your hands and truly on disc, you would be essentially asking someone else permission to play it each time, and that permission could one day be denied. Although there would likely be less than official workarounds.

[@mattchamberlain3005]

This is why physical media always wins!

[@Johnny-kp9bj]

Think you’re taking this thing a little too literally Elliot

[@Hammerstein46]

I had a large collection of physical films, but I decided to get rid of them, because I wanted them digitally. Now I regretted it and started collecting them again.

[@tabalugadragon3555]

you could just copy them to a hard drive or something before getting rid of them

[@DodgerFanAD_23]

I’m either really slow or it’s “past” my bedtime or something , or I don’t understand the concept of this video because you’ll have to fight me first to ever get my favorite movies from me in my Blu-ray collection.

[@pepsoflexo]

i'm just waiting for the spin off channel "Legal Advice with Elliot Coen"

[@VanessaButtino]

Hahaha brilliant comment :D

[@Furudal]

Factually inaccurate advice, see the comment by @matt lutz

[@pepsoflexo]

@@Furudal well, I was making a joke, but sure sound off

[@gregbenwell6173]

SO If I don't own the things I spend money to buy, pay for or purchase with MY OWN income, then apparently, obviously...............NEITHER DO THEY, the people who is selling it!!! BECAUSE technically it IS according to most laws, "Illegal to sale an item YOU do not actually, technically OWN!!" This further means the "copyright law" is illegal too, if said "property" isn't actually "owned by anybody, entity, person or thing"! Meaning that all this "property" i.e. movies, records, CDs, tapes and "physical media" is apparently "open domain" for ANY end user or consumer of said property apparently!!

[@robertt9342]

Pretty sure the bluray example of out of print being equal to a digital service losing the licensing is inaccurate. I believe the license goes with the disc.

[@LRSmithfilm]

You're right but this is why I'd rather buy physical over digital because you will always have a copy ready to watch. I think back when I believe it was UltraViolet went under and a lot of people were worried about losing their digital collection. To me, buying physical is like archiving in a way.

[@epicty3607]

Another reason is the mere fact that you don’t need internet access to watch DVD/Bu Rays of your favorite movies and tv shows . Whereas with digital streaming if you’re in a place that doesn’t have good internet you’ll be stuck in the loop of Buffer, continuing playing, buffer repeat etc

[@hipidipi20157max]

@@epicty3607 You dont need internet to watch digital files. Just copy movies (stored in your PC or hard drives) to USB stick and play on your TV.

[@hipidipi20157max]

You can have always a copy (or many) of the digital file as you do with your CDs or DVDs. I have my itunes (aac) tracks since 2012 backed in different drives, also flacs from torrents and my CDs backed in CD.R and also FLAC and mp3 or ogg.

[@southendonseaarts]

Never buy digital stuff. They would find it difficult taking my physical media away.

[@bruh_hahaha]

side note, I will never watch any of my favorite movies on streaming (even if it’s free) the quality just isn’t there. BluRay quality is so much better.

[@sharkiealami7817]

Wrong. Download your digital media and backup, plus it’s cheaper Portability > physical media

[@brianwin]

@@sharkiealami7817 Thats your opinion. Anyone who wants the best quality possible knows physical is the way to go.

[@WhirlingMusic]

@@sharkiealami7817 No way. I'd rather walk ten feet to put a disc in for better quality of a movie over convenience.

[@ryans413]

How I look at it Netflix is renting I’ll watch something for entertainment. Blu Rays are for keeping if there’s a movie I really like instead of watching it over and over on Netflix I’ll buy it on Blu Ray fast as I can before it’s gone because who knows how long it’ll be on Netflix. If I have the Blu Ray copy it’s mine forever

[@Reconseal4050]

That's why physical media is always better! You will always own it for yourself and just not for the copyrights. Contract violations or lack of extensions will usually cause a digital item to be ceased from the original purchased platform.

[@yungalucard9139]

Kind of funny how buying a dvd binder could have solved the whole ‘space’ dilemma.

[@PlayitagainVHS]

I have my vhs and dvds.Nobody can take them away from me.I toss out the cases and artwork.I just want to watch my vhs and dvds.I put my dvds in paper sleeves and store them away.I got some Xtra dvd machines.This way I always have a back up player on hand

[@jeffchastain2977]

Just wait until one of the big streaming services goes broke. Every movie or piece of music you "bought" from them will no longer be available to you. I stream stuff and then if I like it a lot, I buy a physical copy. Whether its vinyl, CD, DVD, or BluRay, I buy it for my collection.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

iTunes music you can burn it on CD and it isn't DRM (it hasn't been in over a decade). So you can transfer it to any device without fear.

[@GaryJuuce]

" but do you even own your movies on DVD and Blu-ray?" Jeff Bezos aint gonna come in and take my blu rays back jeff (this is a joke not meaning it at you directly lol)

[@stephendevore3902]

When you said Amazon maybe evil? You show the picture of that bald guy. What his name??? Lex Luther 🤣🤣🤣😎😷

[@collecticus]

Jeff Bezos.

[@Setery10]

What honestly concerns me is the keys that are needed for newer movies which constantly needs you to update your Blu-Ray player to view it. What happens when the keys no longer get updated or worse, they remove keys? This is why I just rip my own movies

[@mr_indie_fan]

Very clickbaity, you couldve just said that physical media is better and be done with it also

[@TheLittleMJPuppet]

Good video but kinda clickbaity premise and title. Not only that, but we still need 4K video players to play the movies and most of them need WiFi to operate. If that WiFi goes down, then you can’t watch any movies. And to make matters worse, they’re able to choose what discs they play, the same way some region discs don’t work on some players. This idea that physical media is the solution to media ownership is not entirely true.

[@davin2002]

It does raise a point of concern for digital content creators; it could mean people who create content, and sell the rights to companies to sell or stream their content could lose their work due to rights management issues i.e. if you don't have the original then it's gone, that will be a hard thing to do with digital for the next 100 years.

[@rodneywk1]

“You will own nothing and be happy!”

[@MovieManOfPetersham]

That AMAZON not owning *James Bond* comment has aged well… 😂

[@peterlane1391]

My thing about physical media is this. So at some point I owned every 90's Disney animated movie on VHS. And then DVDs came out. And then Blue-ray. That's a lot or repurchasing. Discs get scratched, broken, lost, stolen...and then you're just short. You need a player for physical media. If it breaks, that's more money. That player needs to be hooked up to a monitor. Which means carrying a lot of stuff with you if you're like visiting someone, or are on a road trip, etc. And you can never bring your entire collection with you. Meanwhile, you can destroy the device a digital movie is on. Get a new device and you have your movie again. You never have to repurchase. Just download your movie app to whatever tech is out now. Almost any device with a screen will do for a player, which means if I'm visiting someone, I dont need to bring anything. In fact, I can watch the movie in real time with people around the country or world. And every movie is with me at all times. I won't say there aren't advantages to physical media, but digital is clearly more convenient and practical.

[@peterlane1391]

@Some Hairy Italian Guy That's a great plan. I didn't think of that. I still think just opening the Movies Anywhere app is easier.

[@peterlane1391]

@Some Hairy Italian Guy Good point

[@hipidipi20157max]

Excellent points but you can also make digital copies of the physical media and back them to your PC or external drives. I do what you say and also the other. You can also put movies on a usb stick (with your computer) and then plug it to a TV where you visit and watch on big screen.

[@garym6315]

My collection always makes me feel very proud and satisfied that I buy things as soon as they are released. My days of hunting down rare discs on ebay are over and from now onwards I'll make sure I quickly buy everything I want.

[@SplinterInYourEye]

In the US, you're allowed to make backups of your physical media. I don't think there's any real legal argument that the right to watch what is on your physical media expires.

[@adp217]

Interesting video but I think lawyers would disagree over the similarity you draw between disc and digital licences. The reason Amazon can stop you accessing a film but Criterion can’t repossess a disc is that Amazon are still in a meaningful sense “providing” a given film to you for as long as you access it through their website. That’s not the case with discs. Once a disc is sold and the transaction is complete, there is no ongoing relationship between merchant and consumer, the copy is simply your property in perpetuity. Pretty sure this was ironed out back in the days of VHS.

[@noahboy7309]

Unless in the terms of service of purchasing that digital copy it says that the license can expire.

[@dohc16vturbo4g63]

Actually, yes, you DO own them

[@dustinlewis3636]

I almost stated going digital only a few years back(for space reasons), but the thought of not having movies physically made me freak out a bit. Haha. I’m glad I still buy physical media for this specific reason/topic. Great video, Elliot, and congrats on reaching 9k subscribers!

[@williamherring2349]

Not to mention they are super expensive, I hit up thrifts stores to get most of my DVDs

[@fearless6947]

@@williamherring2349 in uk it's called poundland lol

[@lacigalvanssleepmeditation8160]

Does anybody really own anything in this life? Not really, so…. Just enjoy what you’re borrowing. This can be relevant to homes, cars, etc even if it isn’t owned by the bank, it can STILL be taken from you. This logic can really make you enjoy living in the moment

[@danmunsell2826]

The fiber optic line to my area was accidently cut 2-weeks ago. Internet was out for 14-hours, with physical media I didn't miss out on any entertainment.

[@scotthullinger4684]

Don't tell us we don't own the movies. Just tell us we don't own the copyright. But trust me, if I have a copy of a movie on disc, then I own full access to it according to the law. What else could I possibly want or expect? A discussion on the difference between physical media and digital media is rather asinine. The whole point is to only watch the movies.

[@FransHattingh]

I'm really happy to know that, while listening to your explanation, I understood the licensing aspect perfectly well beforehand. I will probably always be a proponent of physical media for the reasons you stated - especially quality! Yes, even Blu-rays utilize compression, but to my understanding it's not nearly as bad as most streaming/online video. I also prefer my music to be accessible offline as well, be it on CD, Blu-ray or digital download, all in lossless quality mind you! I love Blu-ray in particular and, although I understand that it as a format will one day fall away in favour of streaming, I will continue to prefer it above all other options.

[@videomannengismo5355]

I understand what you are saying but I must just say you are wrong. I have worked on this for some years for a documentary.And the reason why you are wrong is not about the licens. because you are right about that. But when you as a costumer buy something. You dont sign a paper saying you will have it for 5 - 10 years. Distribution companys and producers and agent do that. Thats why they have it for so many years. But you as a costumer dont do that. Because you buy the disc for use till it is gone. So you are half right. But only half in your video. No one can ever say to youthat you dont have the rights for the films in your collection if you buy them legaly and you dont stream, copy or do anything with them that is against the laws in your home country.

[@SegaCDUniverse]

I still prefer tangible films to watch whenever I want. I hate digital content. Maybe if it's a one off watch I don't mind a stream. lol

[@ColombianThunder]

Yeah, digital is good for rental or streaming but owning is much better and ensures (usually) great quality always since it's not dependent on Wi-Fi.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

I don't bother paying for any streaming but I do like Tubi. It's got a lot of films and shows that aren't easy to find and since it's free I don't have to worry about watching several things a month to justify having it and I don't feel angry when they remove something since I didn't buy it. Still prefer physical but when I can watch it it's nice to have a stress free streaming selection.

[@treemomma]

But you do “own” 1 license for your personal use which cannot be revoked from a server.

[@benjamincarter6095]

This was enough to stop me from ever buying a movie from a steaming service. Thanks!

[@o.c.g.m9426]

It's 2024, and people are still buying movies. I own everything i spend my money on. Sorry, you're wrong

[@clintparker9700]

He is very wrong and ignorant of the law. Look up first sale docterine. It has always been tried in court.

[@hauntedvoyager7806]

Cool. So any time I watch an out of print title, the thrills won’t stop! 😎

[@Joe-ey7cu]

I have more shocking news, any movies you buy online you don't own. If they shut down, it's gone. DVDs and Blu Rays are on your shelf own it or not.

[@Sunsetdriver85]

That's why I love it when my physical movies come with a digital code as well. I get to keep physicals for my movies and get a digital code for a more convenient way of watching the movie. If the digital ever gets taken away, no biggie. I got the physical disc to watch it. A little bonus: With movies anywhere, I can access most of my digital movies one several platforms. So if the movie disappears on one, I would assume it'd still be available on another platform that had a license to provide the movie.

[@xcurrentbreeze6626]

Ok, I get that I'm buying a license to a film when I get a Blu-Ray. But how exactly do I lose the right to viewing that Blu-Ray if the company that produced my Blu-Ray loses their license to keep on making new, future copies of the media? I'd love to know if there's a law or court case that clearly establishes this. Based on what I think, I believe there's an implied contract when I buy the disk - where I give money one time for this legally licensed copy of a movie/show, and then I am allowed to keep and view that copy forever. I'm literally buying the disk and as well as the bits of data legally encoded on the disk. I don't own the movie's copyright, but I do permanently own the right to view my stored copy or to sell the disk and transfer the license to someone else. That's how I interpreted buying physical media. I am definitely going to do more research because the laws seem kinda murky with this stuff. Forget the bad PR, I just don't see how a company could all of a sudden demand my Blu Ray back. Even if they put that in the terms of sale, would any court allow them to legally enforce that and take what is now my property?

[@nathanpollard1223]

Very interesting. Maybe you're allowed to own it, but not play it.

[@erikramaekers63]

I can't take movies with me to my grave.I own nothing and that's just fine

[@mobbdeepfgc7947]

I was Streaming most of my Movies until I saw The Shining on 4k. Now i Couldn't go Back to Streaming.

[@arthurhall8238]

That's why I buy physical versions of EVERYTHING. Your hypothesis is incorrect!

[@arthurhall8238]

...if you purchase something under a licensing agreement....if that agreement expires, doesn't mean the outcomes of the previous agreement go away. If that was the case, nobody would EVER enter into one.

[@mr_indie_fan]

I own a whole collection of cartoons and movies and shows and anime and all kinds of stuff!

[@MaximusEquilibrium]

I regularly do backups on 50Gb Blu-Ray M-Disc, still have first M-Discs from 2011 in absolutely NEW condition with zero issues on all of them. Trust me, NOTHING beats M-Disc Blu-Ray disc! Save your memories for the long run.

[@Paulthefonz]

amazon now owns james bond

[@Paulthefonz]

@Some Hairy Italian Guy no, they are currently in the process of buying the entirety of mgm studios. Which in turn will mean they own the entire franchise of James Bond

[@RealSergiob466]

But you own a license of the media

[@superbrianr3627]

I'll always be a fan of physical media . Anytime I stream a new film online that I enjoy, I immediately search for a copy on blu-ray or dvd.

[@neiloppa2620]

I don’t believe your analysis of the license loss on physical media is correct. At least not in America.

[@SpennysGamingChannelPS3PS4]

You do own your physical media! No one can come and take your collection away which means you own it! You cannot copy and sell that media but the discs are your property not even Disney can come and claim you physical media so again that means you own it.

[@divinitygaming8673]

You own the rights for personal consumption... so yeah, you do own the movie in every sense of the word, because no one in their right mind would think that you own the IP when saying "i own this blu ray".

[@fmulder1989]

If you're truely a passionate film collector, You opt for physical media.

[@alicefarrer7771]

same as anything else really. Streaming is only for people who aren't that bothered

[@juniuwu]

cringe gatekeeping

[@Majin_Vegetaisovr9000]

@@juniuwuikr

[@sonicexereaper6814]

This is why I prefer ownership over paying rent money to gain access to anything. For games and movies, you only have access to a limited number to them, but for movies, they’re timed for licensing and will be taken away out of the blue. Same goes for Spotify, except make it worst when the company starts shoving ads down your ears. And also, last but not least, these service performances will rely on the strength of your internet. If it’s not good enough for any or all of these services, enjoy the stuttering, low quality, and disconnection. This is why I prefer physical ownership. I could just put a DVD/game disc in a console and just enjoy, even go into my music library from my phone and simply play my music without any internet. This is why I despise relying on company ownership and still continue becoming a physical ownership since my young days when there was VHS.

[@gieselats]

I totally agree. I still have movies on VHS which never make it.on dvd or blueray or a streaming platform. My DVD collection ist about 4000 DVDs. And someone will get the collection when I die. And this is a nice consideration. Someone gets the right to watch the movies. Not more. On DVD or BR you also have many special features which you never have on the platforms. E.g. interviews, galleries, trailers, other languages, commentary tracks, and so mich more. Artwork as well.

[@unrealistic5462]

Absolutely, i love how you get the warmth of the movies because you know they will not just disappear. Good video and you have so soothing voice.

[@unrealistic5462]

@Jesse Mitchell wha- you probably didn't realize what i said because i meant i like physical media and dont enjoy digital media as much....

[@unrealistic5462]

@Jesse Mitchell i have collected movies for few years and i always tell to people why physical media is much better, how the fuck would you expect me to get warmth from movies on your usb etc. This is why you should actually read it and not pick only few words from there to there.

[@unrealistic5462]

@Jesse Mitchell oh yes, i absolutely love how you can't fucking try to read what i wrote 4 months ago. I am staring at my collection, only time when i watch something from some streaming service only when i can't find it anywhere else. You insulted me with wrong arguments and the funniest thing is how you even got the impression "ah yes physical sucks, digital good" from me. Just please read comments better and not just assume the rest you didn't read.

[@garishanth]

nonetheless... physical > digital btw, do you plan on doing a room tour and which blu-ray player you use to play region-locked discs video?

[@ElliotCoen]

I do have a complete blu-ray collection on my channel from earlier this year but I do plan on a update later soon. The player I use is a modified Oppo UDP 203. Thanks for watching!

[@Beefers26]

Never knew this! Fascinating information, thanks, which makes me all the more appreciative of my blu-ray collection!

[@allankostyk5035]

In the end if I have a copy of movie on physical media, its not going to disappear from my shelf, I have it till the disc goes bad.

[@LILGHETTI]

Great video, thanks for addressing this! Nothing is like owing physical copy of a movie!

[@stylistmatt]

I learned this the hard way recently when my purchased digital copy of one of my FAVORITE movies "Velvet Goldmine" was no longer playable from my Amazon library. Luckily I was able to hunt down a physical copy that wasn't insanely expensive.

[@fearless6947]

do you get it back, when amazon license's the movie back again? Did amaozn give you a refund?

[@juniuwu]

should have just downloaded a torrent

[@MrMarsFargo]

This is why physical media blu-rays will never go away; People are smart enough to know the difference

[@bencarlson4300]

I never understood buying digital copies because not only can they be taken away, but they are never going to be as good of quality as physical media. I still use Prime, though, because there are a lot of great movies available for FREE, and when something is free, the quality matters a little less.

[@devononair]

Sometimes it's even cheaper to buy a second hand disc, rip it to your computer and resell the disc, than it is to buy a digital copy! Assuming you know how to use a computer and don't mind the extra work, it's not a bad plan!

[@luismiguelfqpinto]

Like you say- "technically". So, the alleged non-ownership of the physical media, is a moot point. You can still watch it. It wont disintegrate automatically when the license expires.

[@mojosodope45]

Every movie that I can hold, disc and movie included, I own. I can take it anywhere I want and show it to anybody that I wish to show. Lol come and make me stop watching the physical movies that I own.

[@Kevin-mb4xf]

I'm sorry, but is this click bait or did you not properly research this issue?

[@peterschattmann8298]

Hey government, just try and tear the Bluray of Vertigo from my cold dead hand.