You don't OWN any movies... - Physical Media vs Digital Media

Amazon recently stated that you do not actually own your digital downloads, but do you even own your movies on DVD and Blu-ray?
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[@ElliotCoen]

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[@pongchannel.]

But I can still make digital copies of my movies right? Also unlike digital dvds cant just be taken from you.

[@pongchannel.]

Because I have a couple of discs that are scratched to high heaven and I want to make a copy of just in case

[@heartofcinema3454]

Good point, well raised. The digital sellers need to be more transparent to customers and make them understand this.

[@heartofcinema3454]

Different strokes for different folks.

[@misterlexx2721]

You get superior audio on the discs as well. Uncompressed audio that sounds stunning on a home theater surround system or soundbar with subwoofer.

[@travis1240]

When physical media goes out of print you don't lose the right to watch the movie even technically. Copyright law says that you own a copy and therefore you can use that copy in certain prescribed ways. You can even resell it regardless of if the original publisher still has the rights to it. This is called the "first sale doctrine". With "digital" copies you have basically no rights except a revocable license to use the content as long as it is convenient for both the copyright holder and the streaming provider.

[@captaindestruction9332]

Your also to my knowledge free to make copies of your movies so long S your not selling the copies or giving them away(though who’s actually going to know or care?)

[@Telebision]

@@captaindestruction9332 There’s a label on the back of the dvd cover that says “Do Not Copy Disc”. Unless, you are putting it to a hard drive. You can’t however “copy” dvd on to a blank disc.

[@gigaprime5799]

How come we can’t fight for the same rights for digital media?

[@Wizo25]

100% spot on. Physical media is considered property. Do enough searches and you will see cases of divorce and will going over ownership of physical media like DVDs. The narrative that disc need a license to play would only work if courts didn't give a mountain of legal precedence that such things are private property.

[@Untrus]

Own true lies and the abyss for years on Vudu played them many times over the years and both had lapses in the license just last week both licenses were renewed and I gained access to the new licenses in my library the picture of the movie changed it’s still in HD not 4k but it’s the new transfer that plays when I watch it and it says I still own both movies same for Halloween 4 and 5 both movies are not available for purchase anymore but I can watch both movies because it says I own them in HDX… I also gained the new transfer of aliens unfortunately only in HD and not 4k like I mentioned before with the others

[@LRSmithfilm]

You're right but this is why I'd rather buy physical over digital because you will always have a copy ready to watch. I think back when I believe it was UltraViolet went under and a lot of people were worried about losing their digital collection. To me, buying physical is like archiving in a way.

[@epicty3607]

Another reason is the mere fact that you don’t need internet access to watch DVD/Bu Rays of your favorite movies and tv shows . Whereas with digital streaming if you’re in a place that doesn’t have good internet you’ll be stuck in the loop of Buffer, continuing playing, buffer repeat etc

[@TomasGarza-b5d]

@@epicty3607 You dont need internet to watch digital files. Just copy movies (stored in your PC or hard drives) to USB stick and play on your TV.

[@TomasGarza-b5d]

You can have always a copy (or many) of the digital file as you do with your CDs or DVDs. I have my itunes (aac) tracks since 2012 backed in different drives, also flacs from torrents and my CDs backed in CD.R and also FLAC and mp3 or ogg.

[@wolfhawk1999]

This sounds like a bit of a semantic argument. You may own the disk, but for all intents and purposes you "own" the movie. I get what you are saying, but come on man

[@MovieManOfPetersham]

That AMAZON not owning *James Bond* comment has aged well… 😂

[@ShanghaiRooster]

Interesting thoughts. I'm not sure I agree with your line of reasoning in regard to physical media though. When Criterion (or whoever) release a blu-ray they have acquired the licence to publish that movie in a given territory (Region A for the most part) and sell those discs to the public. For that they will pay a royalty to the owners for each copy sold, taken out of the cost to the buyer of the disc. If they should subsequently lose the licence for that movie, and the disc is deleted, it doesn't mean you 'in theory' no longer have the right to watch that movie on that particular blu-ray. You've paid the pound of flesh to the copyright owner for the limited right to watch that movie in perpetuity, so long as you don't breach the conditions of the licence (ie, no public screenings, etc, etc). You've mentioned that you import most of your Criterion discs from the U.S. Now, that in theory might place you in breach because Criterion don't actually have a Region B licence for the majority of their catalogue. But I don't think anybody is going to hunt down any of us who have imported blu-rays from America, or Australia over it. You've still paid the royalty when you purchased the disc, after all.

[@linusfotograf]

Thanks. It didn’t make any sense to me. I guess it’s an interpretation of a technicality.

[@bergman864]

A Region license means it can't be sold in stores outside of the region. But online sales aren't determined by region. They and other online retailers can sell it through their website.

[@stylistmatt]

I learned this the hard way recently when my purchased digital copy of one of my FAVORITE movies "Velvet Goldmine" was no longer playable from my Amazon library. Luckily I was able to hunt down a physical copy that wasn't insanely expensive.

[@fearless6947]

do you get it back, when amazon license's the movie back again? Did amaozn give you a refund?

[@juniuwu]

should have just downloaded a torrent

[@RazorwireReviews]

Me: Eh? Of course I own my discs, what is he on about? Elliot: When you buy a disc, you don't own the rights to the film. Me: *blinks intensely*

[@ElliotCoen]

Ha. Thanks for watching!

[@vvMathematicalvv]

No idea why this got recommended to me .. but 1 minute in and I’m writing this comment. I have purchased tv shows and movies, not rented for some predetermined time period or simply subscribed to view, but purchased using a buy button etc. only to find out that after only 3 years, it’s completely removed from Amazon and gone forever. I tell everyone I meet to NEVER buy media of any kind on Amazon. To date, they are the only ones who I’ve ever heard of revoking access to a purchase without explanation or warning. The content is simply not there anymore. The laws are terrible around these things, but Amazon is the only, or by my estimation, the worst of the worst offenders of allowing you to purchase something and then “stealing” it pack when they remove it from their platform.

[@tonyfei472]

Im sorry but the argument is pointless, 1. do I care about if i own the movies? absolutely not! I just want to watch them whenever I want to watch, can i do it anytime with blu ray disc? Yes I can. problem solved. 2. whatever happens in the future, would anyone knock my door to stop me watching regardless if i am eligible to watch? I purchase the product! the argument by law goes both ways but realistically, nobody gonna stop me from using products I purchased. So what's the point of this argument? I don't see any, psychical media still superior than streaming, this is one of those reasons.

[@Thirteen31Music]

This is why they’re killing physical media and pushing streaming - a download or a stream can be controlled after purchase and this locking down of content can be enforced.

[@HolographicSweater]

If you watch an out-of-print blu ray or DVD you are literally stealing from the license holder. Eventuality this problem will be solved by connecting all media players to the internet to prevent unlicensed viewing. Ultimately all physical media will be phased out, so this won’t even be a problem. “You will own nothing and be happy.”

[@mainstreetsaint36]

Pretty much all Blu-ray and DVD players can function without an internet connection.

[@qarljohnson4971]

IP is one of the biggest rent extraction scams. Remember! that Rent is the Tax we willingly Give to the ".001%".

[@adamgarner6903]

6:05 So basically it's illegal to buy an old out-of-print DVD/Blu-ray off eBay and watch it.

[@LUCKO2022]

No, that is where this guy is wrong. First Sale doctrine says that you own that copy. It is yours and they can't take it away. You can sell it as you are selling that copy.

[@betovaladez1812]

What do you think about the issue of disc rot? I'm a collectionist myself and i'm really upset and worried about it I already have issues with some of my titles on Blu Ray (all original discs) And it really pisses me of!

[@baumer2504]

Keep them away from sunlight, moisture, and extreme temperatures. Even indirect sunlight and keep an eye on the humidity levels in your home. Also watch the oil from your hands when handling. And careful many of the cleaning products do your discs and media players more harm than good.

[@MrStephen182]

@@baumer2504 No matter how well you keep your discs, one day all discs will suffer from disc rot. No one knows really when this will happen just that it will. Everyone who watched this video when it was first upload might be dead by then but they might not, probably will be. Disc rot is going to take all physical media one day.

[@TomasGarza-b5d]

My collection from the 90s is intact including DVD-Rs CD-Rs and of course original DVDs and CDs. I store them in Cd wallets. If you worry you can rip them to files (mp4, mkv, mp3, flac, etc) end then burn them to CD or DVD or BluRay.

[@TomasGarza-b5d]

@@baumer2504 And backup your favorites to digital files on your PC, Mac, etc. Always put them on their CD case directly from the player. Never place them on furniture or upside down and do not lend them (lend a copy in a file or on burned media). I almost never have to clean them and never use any cleaning media, just a very soft fabric like you use for reading lenses without any liquid. Dont use in your car (use copies only).

[@creepyjimcrowjoebiden9293]

Yeah I know don't own the rights to it but they can't take the physical version away from me for any reason

[@Casual.Gamer_0000]

depends on where you view. you see, i don't own my DVD's right, to duplicate them, and sell them. but i certanly own my disc to personal use. and with phisycal media, if you bought a DVD, you can keep it, and play it as long as the disc won't be damaged. if the company lose the license of the movie, or game, you still own the disc, so you can view what you are already purchased. and i think that is the biggest reason why people including me, go back to phisiycal media, becouse its more reliable overtime for the consumer perspective, than any digital service. (this is why i always save my digital movies in MP4 format, since if the company drops out from the catalogue, i can still watch it, since i paid for a month to view it). i am 20 years old, and my goal is to preserve EVERY digital media that i consume, for my future kids, so they can have the same wonderfull experience as i did... thats why i don't buy online only games anymore btw... sorry helldivers 2.

[@snowatom]

Just don’t update your Blu-ray player. Because it’s actually possible to render your disc unplayable. This was also in the media in the past, can’t remember the conclusion.

[@domagojloncar]

Same with books, games etc. but anyway thanks for pointing it out.

[@vinsemi9734]

30 seconds in and he’s still beating his meat about not owning his movies.

[@The90sBro]

Actually physical media licensing works different than digital media licencing. When buy a disc, the license lasts for the life of the disc and it's transferable if you sell or give away the disk, this is regardless of the publishers current rights status. The publisher had a license to distribute the physical media and grand license for the media, but you as the consumer don't lose your rights when the 3rd party publisher loses their right to distribute.

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

I didn't realize this video was 3 years old until after watching it. This predicted the Sony PlayStation/Discovery movie debacle of 2023 where people woke up to find that their purchased digital media had disappeared. On another note, it also makes watching out of print physical media as akin to piracy. Aye, matey! I be watching a movie on VHS! I don't know if the law would recognize illegally downloaded media the same way as out of print physical media. At least, you might have bought it new, once, but let's say you bought it from a used movie store. Someone's actually making money on it versus that sketchy online site that provided it for free. It will make your head hurt if you think about it too much. I'd ditch digital media and only buy physical media just to keep it alive. Besides, collecting is a good hobby to get into.

[@literatelogos]

You have solved this long running debate I've had about this. Thank you!

[@ThomasCoryate]

That's a complicated way to explain copyright, which everyone already knows about...

[@IkeReviews]

Yes because copyright exists you don't own the copyright to the movie

[@Motorheadache95]

I largely support discs, and I own most of my favorites that way. BUT... I think the whole "they'll take your movies away!" anti-hype of digital is overblown. First of all, with Movies Anywhere you have the streaming license on various platforms (aside from a couple lame non-participators like Paramount and Lionsgate). Secondly, discs aren't infallible-- they can be stolen, damaged, or simply stop working correctly from manufacturing issues, like some of the early Paramount Blu-Rays that would develop spots and then cease to play.

[@mrmuffer69]

I have only bought a few digital tv shows from apple that were not available on physical media. I converted them to a more friendly format than the pritary apple format removing the DRM so they can't cancel my right to watch my digital copy. I buy physical media so no one can take the right to watch away or change something that is on PC.

[@JohnJFong]

thanks for letting us know we don’t own the movies. I’d encourage everyone not to buy the digital version either.

[@Musikyx]

I thought you were going to talk about disc rot, and the possibility of the disk getting damaged at some point

[@davidpo5517]

Yeah, I bought LotR Trilogy Extended Edition on apple's itunes back when you did that sort of thing 10+ years ago. I can still watch it, obviously, however I noticed I only paid for 1080p, but now I have access to 4k HDR, which wasn't a thing back then. I'm not complaining, but it did occur to me that if they can replace it and make it better without me knowing, they can also replace it and make it worse without me knowing.

[@boredyoutubeuser]

THANK YOU DAD FOT BUYING A BUTTON OF DVDS AND BLURAYS!!!!

[@watchforever1724]

Sadly now a days you have to the internet to pick up physical media

[@user-pc8tb7hg1lHandlesRDumb]

the day i got a video game disc on purpose and still got a "download code" inside an empty disc box was the day it all changed. I relise not only did I want the have discs again but I was tired of them being difficult to find and use with modern equipment.

[@gravejames7221]

well this is kind of a nitpic subject. of course nobody OWNS the rights to a movie or a video game or a character or anything. if a movie studio, or company or whoever owns a movie, or game, or music, decided they wanted to just stop selling a movie, or song, or game, yeah MAYBE they would just stop selling it. that does NOT mean they would be able nor have any valid reason to go into everyones library and take it away or delete it. this simply makes no sense. wether or not it is even possible is also a good discussion because even if someone wanted to jesus that would be a very difficult thing to do. that is sort of like the same argument about gun control, you cant just go into everyones home and steal their guns out of their house. the same applies for media. even if it's digital. the company they sold you the media cannot take your media randomly. even if they did, they would have to give all your money back and that would piss them off so likely they would be pissed at the studio or company that owned the media, which more likely would lead to lawsuits etc. the main point im making here, is that you cant just be stripped of your media libraries. especially if you own it physically. sure, physical takes space, and over time, like, hundreds of years from now perhaps those physical media will stop working or become damaged. MAYBE. but even then, u can rip your own digital copies of most modern discs and store those on a drive or flashdrive or something.

[@chrisrees7054]

You can have my DVDs when you pry my dead hands off off them.

[@krtlkid]

Im a die hard physical copy person,evrybody else who chose to own the digital copy well I feel sorry for them. Our physical dvds, blu rays will soon be worth lots.

[@donshadows5501]

I purchase both libraries/formats of media, because they both have advantages, digital has instant delivery, convenience and portability, protection from physical damage and more, while physical media has highest quality format, availability of content etc. but I definitely knew the risk of digital before getting into it.

[@alicefarrer7771]

I own the discs they are one. And they can't be removed from my library by anyone but me. I just don't own the rights to the movies. Downloaded movies can be removed at a whim by other people Discs can't Therefore physical media is objectively better superior to streaming

[@ddc163264]

This isn't true for physical media, the same as if you own a book. That book is YOURS forever. You can sell it, burn it trash,. What you can't do is use it for profit or claim that any part of it is YOUR work. Yes, once the company that sold, distributed or published it, either loses the rights or goes out of business, oris bought, THEY lose the rights, but the physical media still is owned by the purchaser. At least in the U.S. That's already been decided in court as well as what you have recorded for private use is yours as well. Now that may not be the case for EU countries or other places. Imagine a publisher trying to reclaim copies of shows or movies from every person that owns the disk or old school tape!

[@GamerWho]

You don't even own the disc. You're just holding onto it for the next guy. One day it'll be either in a charity shop or a landfill.

[@GamerWho]

@Mostafa Saad bingo. With the added realisation that one day your kids are going to have to clear out your house of all the stuff you amass.

[@shauncameron8390]

@Mostafa Saad And you don't really own your house as the government can seize it if don't pay your property taxes.

[@positiveproductions6699]

This is why I always love physical media because you own it then Also could you please consider doing a video on why blu-rays are better versus DVDs? I just want to know the difference between the two like what exactly makes blu-rays better than DVDs? Thanks

[@rosstee]

Blu-rays basically have higher resolution than DVDs, giving much better picture clarity/detail. They also have better audio, up to Dolby Atmos/DTS-X, but are still compatible with simpler formats like stereo/5.1.

[@THENEVERDEADIV]

I have some shocking news for you.. when your internet decides to go out how are you going to watch tv?

[@jacobmacdonagh4070]

I’m literally doing a module on Contract Law at uni and just had a lecture on Intellectual Property haha

[@kunalv714]

4:58 heres why you came for

[@jpaul8589]

They don’t own my growing Blockbuster mobile drives that play just fine out in the middle of the ocean to the farthest land point in the arctic circle.

[@kurtdewittphoto]

I've been rapidly building my collection via a local pawn shop. People buy the physical movies, then turn them in after using the digital code. So a lot of them are basically in new condition. I love it. I will never go digital only for movies. I don't care about the space they take up.

[@gage4375]

Yup

[@centurion8446]

Yeah they are great for cheap series etc, got a series for $10 wile seeing it brand new for $80 in store...

[@robertszvetics210]

Tell best buy that. I hope they go out of bussiness.

[@NEXCUSX]

You can always rip them too, cause disc rot will happen unfortunately.

[@kurtdewittphoto]

@robertszvetics210 I've spent plenty there on movies too, but their selection hasn't been great over the last few years, which led me to look other places.

[@atoz6552]

Thankfully, Amazon will not show up at my door to take my discs back. That's what matters

[@francsiscog]

Exactly, the point is that buying digitally they can remove the movie from your library. They cannot do that for anything we actually own physically. Maybe eventually when they outlaw certain movies and books, they may come in our homes forcefully and remove what is deemed offensive and evil.

[@jonyoungmusic]

@@francsiscog I better hide my gone with the wind VHS!

[@DodgerFanAD_23]

That’s invading people’s personal belongings and space , and it better NOT have anything to do with cancel culture.

[@austinwillcut4919]

@@francsiscog Sounds like a V For Vendetta scenario.

[@mattmatt2417]

Physical media/blurays,games and books, for me, are for prepping/are for knowing I have these things, NO MATTER WHAT, that being said, I also have PDFs/digital copies as well, that I buy separately/ none of these came from the physical bluray boxes/Physical books/ I buy these separately, and I don't have to log in to ANYTHING/be connected to the internet/ping a server, to prove I own it/to watch them/read them, and I can put them on any device, such as tablets/flashdrives/computers/multiple hardrives/SSDs and so on, AND I ALSO have Netflix,Hulu,Amazon Prime,HBO Max, CBS All Access, Disney Plus,Starz,Showtime,Cinamax/DIGITAL Direct TV and so on, BUT MOST of the time, I go the digital route, mainly for convince. I also have a gig down and gig up speed, no caps/restrictions, I don't think I can think of a time when my internets gone out, my power goes off, RARELY, BUT I do remember it going off, MAYBE 3 times this year, no longer than 2 hours, most of the time, less than five minutes, granted I do have a generator/solar/batterie back ups, as well, BUT yeah having those physical blurays/books/games, as a back up, DEFINITELY makes me feel better. I also don't have ANY DVDs, at this point/480p resolution wise, is just to low, FOR ME anyway, 1280x720p/720p, IS OKAY, BUT I prefer 1920x1080p/1080p or higher. I've been buying blurays since 2006. I do have 1 thing on DVD, BUT only, because its not been made on bluray, YET. Thats SG1, the complete series/ALL 10 Seasons, I have Atlantis, SGU AND ALL of the other stargate movies AND all my other movies are ALL on Bluray though/EVERYTHING else, BUT that, is on bluray. 1080p is perfect, 4k, isn't worth it, AND 5K/8K players don't exist, SO thats not an option, digital high resolution content, COULD be an option though,IF it wasn't compressed visually or audio wise. All of my displays, AT THIS POINT, are 4k/3840x2160p, My biggest 4k display, is 75inches and my smallest 4k display is 42inches and I have 10 of those, one in my bedroom, AND 3 at each of my desks/I have 3desks/offices/office areas, EVEN my projector AND laptops ARE 4k, AT THIS POINT/I started making the transition to 4k, in 2012 and finished in 2018, AND I have ONE 7680X4320P/8K 50inch display,BUT 1080p and 4k, isn't a big enough jump, for me, 5k and 8k, IS though/5K looks really really good AND 8K is AMAZING. I mainly have 8k and 4k, for gaming though/ I have two desktops, they both have 64GBs of RAM,2 3090s in SLI and I9s. My main laptop has a 17.3inch 4k display, an I9, 2080 and 64GBs of RAM. I also have other linux laptops, that have I5s and 8GBs of RAM, they are 15inches. All of my systems have Manjaro linux AND windows 10 on them. At this point, the MAIN RULES, UNLESS, your trying to utilize old hardware/loading BODHI/Lite Weight Ubuntu or something on an ALREADY purchased machine; The rules are, NO TN panels, IPS NOW, 1080p or above, ALSO 16x9, is a requirement, UNLESS you have a specific task/reason that you NEED a crazy aspect ratio, NO dual core CPUs, quadcore/four core OR ABOVE, 8GBs of RAM, OR MORE, ALSO SSDs are really helpful for boot times/over all speed.

[@stefano9638]

Long live physical media!

[@ElliotCoen]

Amen!

[@sharkiealami7817]

Not really. Even PS5 has digital only too plus digital is cheaper

[@bill1682]

@@sharkiealami7817 digital is not always cheaper some games are more expensive digital especially after a few months

[@Laremy]

@@sharkiealami7817 "cheaper" is a relative statement.

[@AustenHilton]

@@sharkiealami7817 you can make up the cost with physical games

[@always_serpico]

Yeah, but Paramount isn’t going to come to my house and pull DVDs and Blu-rays off my shelf. Not without me beating somebody’s ass.

[@TravelGuy9834]

For now, eventually, that's the next thing they will do, especially if it's deemed offensive or inappropriate.

[@mr_indie_fan]

"If somebody took 5 of your 10 dvds how many would you have left?" 10 dvds and a dead body

[@eternalfire580]

@@TravelGuy9834 That would be a total outrage it's like saying the government can come to your house and take certain foods from your kitchen just because they deem it "unhealthy"

[@TravelGuy9834]

@@eternalfire580 I agree, but sadly we are heading towards that direction.

[@eternalfire580]

@@TravelGuy9834 Yeah I know I just want to live in a free country not a dictatorship

[@bmg5015]

I've always told people, I don't own the movie but I own a COPY of the movie. Therefore the movie can't be taken away from me no matter if a studio loses the license to it or not. That's why there are protections on the disc to prevent me from EASILY copying to another disc, simply because I don't OWN the actual movie.

[@lucifermorningstar5258]

Facts.

[@Wegetsignal]

I mean it is remarkably easy to accidentally click download on MakeMKV and accidentally hit the go button and again accidentally, I end up with a 1:1 copy, minus DRM. I slipped I swear!

[@ericmiller254]

There is no criminal or civil liability for getting around that DRM It's yours It's also their right to sell you the disc in the format they choose. In some relevant cases they can void warranty and service that's their only real recourse. They do not have a right to set arbitrary terms of service about what you do with that property after they sell it to you. Which is why no one in the US have ever been prosecutod for making copies of media. They do prosecute in Japan, and i mean just ripping your music onto your PC. The Japanese don't own their media. Sharing can be a civil violation and you can get sued but that's only if you're offering it to literally everyone on the planet in the states. Maybe don't listen to corporate lawyers boys. You should understand the practicalities IP law better than that.

[@DVDandFilmBloke]

@@Wegetsignal It's not illegal for you to make backups of your own content for your own enjoyment, it only becomes illegal if you make multiple copies and sell them to people (whether it is for a profit or not).

[@sai24681]

@@Wegetsignal .

[@aphillychristmas626]

THIS IS WHY PHYSICAL MEDIA IS THE BEST!

[@legendaryTMNICO]

Some people are crybabies crying about the digital codes that don’t come with the physical media.

[@2birds832]

@@legendaryTMNICO exactly, people shouldn’t buy physical media for the code, they should use the disc and then use code if you’re on a holiday or away from the disc etc

[@zacharylee1995]

Fact's

[@jasonvoorhees3124]

I'm so glad you acknowledged how ridiculous this is! Can just imagine 2 burly guys in black suits and sunglasses banging on my door asking for my copy of Elf which I'm half way through!

[@ElliotCoen]

That thought made me laugh. Thanks, Chris!

[@phaenius]

How about tho men in black suits and dark sunglasses knocking on your door while you're midway through Men in Black? :) That's interactive movie for you. :D

[@pollyhorlander7389]

These days, with the biden fbi, who knows! Thirty agents with ak47s are likely to show up at your door! 😂

[@tkenjharrahne8740]

😂

[@nosuchthing8]

​@@pollyhorlander7389looking forward to voting for a dictator are we

[@gavinramsden6571]

Can't believe you don't own Barry Lindon anymore Elliot, sorry for your loss. Rip.

[@Babylon5Lurker5]

I have been telling people for years, "You don't actually own your digital movies. They can disappear at any time.", but they never listen.

[@TheOreoritz]

Comparable with all digital purchases... look at Apple apps, I purchased so many apps back in the 2010s.. but as Apple updated their iOS the developers get lazy and do not update their apps, therefore making your purchased app useless and unusable because it can’t be updated... 🙄

[@Babylon5Lurker5]

@@TheOreoritz So true, so true.

[@omegaman2767]

EXACTLY!! Better keep a physical copy of their favorites!! Digital copies is just a way of convenience (quick access, traveling with firestick/roku stick, etc.) always keep the physical media!!

[@Dan-wb3ed]

Kind of the same with video games. I bought a bunch of ps1 games on my ps3 back in the day and figured ill be able to play these on all future playstation consoles....nope. hasn't been supported since ps4 came out. So who's to say vudu is going to be around in 5 years, or whatever service you have. When buying digital you rely on a company to continue support for that service, the day they dont is the day you lose that content.

[@kimjongoof5000]

Movie spree lets me download anything I buy onto my hard drive and I can burn them onto DVD, so yes, you can own digital movies. It's only whether you can download them or not.

[@nu-metalfan2654]

Yeah I love physical media because it’s not only something you get to keep, but I just love the art work on the covers. Companies/labels like Arrow/Arrow Academy, Indicator, Scream/Shout Factory, Criterion, Kino Lorber, Eureka, Warner Archive, and Vestron all do amazing Blu Rays with good artwork, I just wish they could sell every Blu Ray because the standard Blu Rays don’t look as nice, and I wished they all sold Region B versions as well. But you can’t appreciate it as much when you are downloading or streaming digitally because you don’t get to keep it and you lose out on the great artwork.

[@ZeroESG.goopootoob]

It's all 'physical media.' You mean 'hard' copy.

[@ESLTeacherTom]

You do indeed own the movies on DVD, blu-ray, VHS, etc. If this were not the case, no one would be able to legally rent out or re-sell them. Don't buy into the "you own nothing" narrative. Amazon has tried to copyright a basic color. You own your DVDs like you own your books. It is the copyright you do not own.

[@Hail-Marīyami]

right, fake outrage

[@michaelalanpowell]

Great video, just shows you can't beat physical media. I get told, by digital only types, that my blurays will deteriorate with time. Not if you look after them they won't. They will definitely out last digital by far!

[@johnhayes4700]

It wasn't Too Long ago that I Watched one of my First DVDs Ever , That was when DVD was Brand New , It worked Perfectly Fine in my 4k player. The Digital piece of paper gets Thrown in the Bin , Waste of Paper. I own Thousands of DVDs , Blu Rays and 4k they All Work ?

[@cinemafella4429]

Guys lets not sweat the small stuff like this. Just buy what you wanna buy and know that your physical copy cant be taken from you by any means

[@mrb6172]

exactlyyyyy!!!!!

[@shauncameron8390]

They may not be taken away from you, but they can be made useless if the media device no longer supports them.

[@alicefarrer7771]

@@shauncameron8390 Not really. Even if they stop making bluray players, people will still be selling used ones on eBay. I mean, they are still selling used VHS players on there. Even Betamax. There is no way that anyone watching Elliiot's video is ever going to live so long that there is no way they can get a Blueray player. And if TV stops supporting them, then you just buy a used, older TV.

[@Hammerstein46]

I had a large collection of physical films, but I decided to get rid of them, because I wanted them digitally. Now I regretted it and started collecting them again.

[@tabalugadragon3555]

you could just copy them to a hard drive or something before getting rid of them

[@canterasehistory3060]

Christopher Nolan wants fans to keep buying films on Blu-ray.Physical discs,not streams.

[@articulatechav2668]

They can take my disks when they pry them from my cold dead hands.

[@stephendevore3902]

🙏 Amen🤣

[@Furudal]

They can not take them. He was wrong. With the Disc you buy a perpetual licence to play it as long as it lasts. This continues even if the publisher of the disc loses rights etc. In Europe you are even allowed to sell the disc, togehter with the license, legally. I can not speakt to how this works in the US or anywhere else.

[@louiswright8282]

Lol TF2 Reference

[@hypocriticalsatire3966]

@@Furudal If there is any other country involving freedom and property with legalities that allow you to keep what you buy its the US lol

[@hvitekristesdod]

In the wise words of Charleton Heston

[@lydiaruby89]

This and with recent editing of old properties is why I'm such a huge proponent for physical media. Dvds can never be edited and can never be taken back.

[@nickdorenkamp959]

When it comes to physical media vs. digital media honestly I prefer physical media. The reason as why I do is because 1. It makes finding a specific movie easier to find (or in the case of a TV series a specific episode) and 2. What you just said. I only ever used digital media as a decision maker to decide which movies are worth owning physically. I do this by acknowledging the fact that digital media is similar to broadcast rights with just a few differences. Personally I don't own anything on digital but I have both rented movies and had subscriptions to movie channels on Prime which to some extent count as digital media. Preferably I prefer movie channels over renting for convenience sake.

[@pepsoflexo]

i'm just waiting for the spin off channel "Legal Advice with Elliot Coen"

[@VanessaButtino]

Hahaha brilliant comment :D

[@Furudal]

Factually inaccurate advice, see the comment by @matt lutz

[@pepsoflexo]

@@Furudal well, I was making a joke, but sure sound off

[@joshuabennett1756]

I own a plethora of DVD’s in my personal library and I’ll continue to buy movies on dvd because that’s how I’ve always done it since I was a kid this whole streaming era is just craziness and it’s takes the joy out of buying a movie and “owning it” in your digital library

[@johnhayes4700]

I Fully Agree , I am the Same it is all about Money , Disney made more from Streaming than Physical Disks . Give me a Hard Copy any Day and I am More than Happy to Pay for It ?

[@gswithen]

Now, if they start making physical discs that self destruct after the license runs out we may be in trouble.

[@patricklow712]

Yes, that would be awful!

[@Butter-Milk]

They kinda already did that. They made disposable DVDs that were sold as an alternative to rentals: you don't have to return the disc, but you can't watch it after a few days.

[@MichaelYT22]

Flexplay did this. Thankfully it failed.

[@dslking]

Everyone will just pirate and the movie industry will die out then.

[@HatredInTheFlesh]

@@Butter-Milk That sounds like a terribly anti-consumer idea from the get-go, not to mention the ecological implications it would have if it took off and became a mainstream idea.

[@Forestwidow]

I recently started creating my own physical 4k and Blu ray collection it's the first collection or hobby I have ever really truly had and it's been an absolute joy in a world that is turning to digital media when I see people freak out when they lose their license of a movie, show on streaming platforms or apps

[@mig1017]

Same here. Only just stated collecting last Summer. Got pretty much all my favourite films & tv shows in 4k/bluray. You're right, it's fun collecting & hunting bargains .

[@triplejazzmusicisall1883]

Question: Is 4k even 8k worth it for all. I am a 55-year-old with deteriorating vision. I own, which now is probably regarded as small, a 55 inch tv which plays DVD and Blu-ray. Due to the size of my house the tv is about 6 feet away from the viewing position. I had thought 4K was only noticeable in quality gain on very large screens that can be placed a certain distance away from the viewer? As for 8K I have been told it is near impossible to tell the difference as the human eye is just not that capable. With 8K unless you have the equivalent of a cinema complex room it is pointless. A final point (and thanks for baring with me) I have hundreds of DVDs that when the dvd.vhs combos came out I recorded all my vhs tapes onto DVD. It took 3 weeks of non-stop recording. Because these DVDs were originally from vhs tape, the flaws are surely more likely to be detected on a higher quality tv with greater definition. People seem to confuse 4k, 8k definition from the original recording i.e. I could watch my vhs material on a 4k screen, but it isn't going to look any better due to the original source material, as opposed to new material being recorded in 4 or 8K definition. Unless produced and worked on by experts i.e. 1Peter Jackson, past recordings will still look the same quality, won't they? Any info much appreciated. Last point though - surely, we must get to a definition size that eventually becomes irrelevant to the capacity of the human organ called the eye. I don’t know what definition rock star concerts screens are but there has to be a point where no more gain can be made unless as humans, we begin to turn ourselves into eyeborgs and artificially enhance our eyesight. God forbid that day will come - it will but not in my lifetime. Cheers.

[@AlSumait]

I mean I see where your going with this, but I disagree with your thought completely. In general, people are not stupid enough to think that they literally have the rights to an actual film. People who buy physical media aren’t going to think in that type of way and obviously aren’t going to acknowledge the thought of it. Just for the simple fact that it’s financially impossible for most people to own actual rights to any film. When you hear people say they own a certain movie, all they really mean is they own the Blu Ray disc. Nothing more and nothing less. So in my opinion, this video was interesting in detail, but useless for misunderstanding physical media ownership.

[@JamieRyanZERO]

I don't think Elliot means to imply that people think they own the legal rights to say the Godfather when they buy a DVD or whatever, but a lot of people don't realize that when they buy digitally, their purchase can be taken away from them whenever. Elliots just explaining why that's the case and that when you buy physically, while you similarly don't own the legal rights to the film it's logistically impossible for it to be taken away from you in that form.

[@darrenblizzard3851]

Yes I think it's clear that the point is the seller can retract access to a digital movie on your account but they can't make you give back your physical media copy. Moral of the story, don't purchase a digital copy.

[@zombeat7376]

I do agree but makes a very fair and strong point that physical media is not just a better way to buy movies it's also safer as no one can take them away after you have purchased them unlike what can happen with digital media . I genuinely think it is important to voice these things to people who generally only buy digital media. That although you pay for it, it can be taken from you and it is legal for them to do so. I think that's a very good point and good thing to know. But yes i do agree that nobody will think they own the rights to the movie. But nothing wrong whatsoever with stating facts albeit kind of obvious. But thought it was a very good video especially about what can happen to your digital purchases. May even be an eye opener to some people.

[@natethornton5646]

Yeah like I went out and bought John Wick a while back does it mean I bought a piece of the movie? Nope I bought the Blu-ray copy.

[@mattmatt2417]

Physical media/blurays,games and books, for me, are for prepping/are for knowing I have these things, NO MATTER WHAT, that being said, I also have PDFs/digital copies as well, that I buy separately/ none of these came from the physical bluray boxes/Physical books/ I buy these separately, and I don't have to log in to ANYTHING/be connected to the internet/ping a server, to prove I own it/to watch them/read them, and I can put them on any device, such as tablets/flashdrives/computers/multiple hardrives/SSDs and so on, AND I ALSO have Netflix,Hulu,Amazon Prime,HBO Max, CBS All Access, Disney Plus,Starz,Showtime,Cinamax/DIGITAL Direct TV and so on, BUT MOST of the time, I go the digital route, mainly for convince. I also have a gig down and gig up speed, no caps/restrictions, I don't think I can think of a time when my internets gone out, my power goes off, RARELY, BUT I do remember it going off, MAYBE 3 times this year, no longer than 2 hours, most of the time, less than five minutes, granted I do have a generator/solar/batterie back ups, as well, BUT yeah having those physical blurays/books/games, as a back up, DEFINITELY makes me feel better. I also don't have ANY DVDs, at this point/480p resolution wise, is just to low, FOR ME anyway, 1280x720p/720p, IS OKAY, BUT I prefer 1920x1080p/1080p or higher. I've been buying blurays since 2006. I do have 1 thing on DVD, BUT only, because its not been made on bluray, YET. Thats SG1, the complete series/ALL 10 Seasons, I have Atlantis, SGU AND ALL of the other stargate movies AND all my other movies are ALL on Bluray though/EVERYTHING else, BUT that, is on bluray. 1080p is perfect, 4k, isn't worth it, AND 5K/8K players don't exist, SO thats not an option, digital high resolution content, COULD be an option though,IF it wasn't compressed visually or audio wise. All of my displays, AT THIS POINT, are 4k/3840x2160p, My biggest 4k display, is 75inches and my smallest 4k display is 42inches and I have 10 of those, one in my bedroom, AND 3 at each of my desks/I have 3desks/offices/office areas, EVEN my projector AND laptops ARE 4k, AT THIS POINT/I started making the transition to 4k, in 2012 and finished in 2018, AND I have ONE 7680X4320P/8K 50inch display,BUT 1080p and 4k, isn't a big enough jump, for me, 5k and 8k, IS though/5K looks really really good AND 8K is AMAZING. I mainly have 8k and 4k, for gaming though/ I have two desktops, they both have 64GBs of RAM,2 3090s in SLI and I9s. My main laptop has a 17.3inch 4k display, an I9, 2080 and 64GBs of RAM. I also have other linux laptops, that have I5s and 8GBs of RAM, they are 15inches. All of my systems have Manjaro linux AND windows 10 on them. At this point, the MAIN RULES, UNLESS, your trying to utilize old hardware/loading BODHI/Lite Weight Ubuntu or something on an ALREADY purchased machine; The rules are, NO TN panels, IPS NOW, 1080p or above, ALSO 16x9, is a requirement, UNLESS you have a specific task/reason that you NEED a crazy aspect ratio, NO dual core CPUs, quadcore/four core OR ABOVE, 8GBs of RAM, OR MORE, ALSO SSDs are really helpful for boot times/over all speed.

[@conorfurlong]

It’s as simple as this: you do own it for personal use - you are legally allowed to watch it for as long as you have a player capable of playing it, regardless of it going out of point; the film company going bankrupt; or the film rights being sold to a another company, etc etc. It is yours for personal use forever. But... you can’t go around playing your blu rays on a large screen for public audiences. You can’t make copies and share them with friends or sell copies. This has always been the case.

[@williamwest7008]

Facts!

[@pongchannel.]

You cant sell copies copies but if you bought 1 legally u can sell it

[@pongchannel.]

Also u can bring a freind over to play it

[@Spazza42]

You can easily make copies for your friends, you could even sell copies for cheaper for others - just don’t get caught. One of the biggest benefits of physical media is being able to share it with your friends. When you talk about how good a film is, an album or a video game you’re able to offer them the copy to play it. No one cared if you swapped PS2 games as a kid.

[@conorfurlong]

@@Spazza42 What you are describing is piracy. Of course people do it but it is still breaking the law.

[@ChrisHillmon]

I'm gonna say it: LONG LIVE DVD LONG LIVE BLU-RAY And yes, I'm gonna also include this one. LONG LIVE VHS

[@C--A]

You forgot LaserDisc 💿😉

[@SkyScourgeGod]

Might as well throw Betamax, Video CD and HD DVD in there lol.

[@mattchamberlain3005]

This is why physical media always wins!

[@DatBoi]

I will always prefer physical media over digital, hands down. IMO you get the perfect picture and perfect audio, and to me that is what matters most. And if the internet ever goes down for a while or I have no access to the internet I will always have my 4K, Blu Ray, DVD, and VHS player around to watch whatever I own. It’s a total win in my eyes. I have heard nightmares of people getting their digital accounts hacked and losing all those movies they own digitally, that would suck. My movies are here to stay and I will always buy physical. I just hope it is here to stay. It really sucks walking into my local Best Buy and seeing literally only 1-2 rows of movies when there used to be at least 8. Especially my local Walmart they are only down to 1 isle now. It truly is sad.

[@I_WANT_MY_SLAW]

I disagree on the quality argument. Some things you can get in 4K. But others, such as classic Nickelodeon shows, you can't.

[@Yuginami]

Other good complaint about digital downloaded movies is that you NEED internet to watch them. If the internet disconnects for any reason, the customer's movie experience is ruined.

[@ElliotCoen]

Yes, very true! Thanks for watching.

[@dylanringproductions160]

Yes! Blu Ray disk obviously don't require internet and the quality of the disk isn't going to get worse when you don't have wifi lol

[@Chopperwocky]

On the other hand,your blu ray player could break.Or the electricity powering your player goes off.

[@dylanringproductions160]

@@Chopperwocky Or your internet modem could break and you couldn't stream anything.

[@WhirlingMusic]

@@Chopperwocky Or your house burns down

[@Johnny-kp9bj]

Think you’re taking this thing a little too literally Elliot

[@Krshna28]

Even if your DVD goes out of print (OOP). That doesn't mean you cannot watch your DVD of the film. This is a exception to the current laws. If this wasn't the case, then selling second-hand DVD's would be illegal. And eBay and Amazon would be forced to stop people from selling used DVDs. They would also be forced to stop selling their last stock of brand new DVDs that are now OOP. The same applies to music and videogames.

[@enterprisedavidcain]

Soon the laws will change and they can take them, I just know it

[@southendonseaarts]

Never buy digital stuff. They would find it difficult taking my physical media away.

[@bruh_hahaha]

side note, I will never watch any of my favorite movies on streaming (even if it’s free) the quality just isn’t there. BluRay quality is so much better.

[@sharkiealami7817]

Wrong. Download your digital media and backup, plus it’s cheaper Portability > physical media

[@brianwin]

@@sharkiealami7817 Thats your opinion. Anyone who wants the best quality possible knows physical is the way to go.

[@WhirlingMusic]

@@sharkiealami7817 No way. I'd rather walk ten feet to put a disc in for better quality of a movie over convenience.

[@ryans413]

How I look at it Netflix is renting I’ll watch something for entertainment. Blu Rays are for keeping if there’s a movie I really like instead of watching it over and over on Netflix I’ll buy it on Blu Ray fast as I can before it’s gone because who knows how long it’ll be on Netflix. If I have the Blu Ray copy it’s mine forever

[@stephendevore3902]

When you said Amazon maybe evil? You show the picture of that bald guy. What his name??? Lex Luther 🤣🤣🤣😎😷

[@collecticus]

Jeff Bezos.

[@arthurhall8238]

That's why I buy physical versions of EVERYTHING. Your hypothesis is incorrect!

[@arthurhall8238]

...if you purchase something under a licensing agreement....if that agreement expires, doesn't mean the outcomes of the previous agreement go away. If that was the case, nobody would EVER enter into one.

[@mr_indie_fan]

I own a whole collection of cartoons and movies and shows and anime and all kinds of stuff!

[@erikramaekers63]

I can't take movies with me to my grave.I own nothing and that's just fine

[@s.patterson5698]

If you own a copy of any movie in physical format, you own that disk and whatever is on it for as long as it plays....just like clothing you buy. It is yours to wear as long as it is in good shape, still fits you, etc. Period! Took me less than thirty seconds to say this😮😮

[@jeffchastain2977]

Just wait until one of the big streaming services goes broke. Every movie or piece of music you "bought" from them will no longer be available to you. I stream stuff and then if I like it a lot, I buy a physical copy. Whether its vinyl, CD, DVD, or BluRay, I buy it for my collection.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

iTunes music you can burn it on CD and it isn't DRM (it hasn't been in over a decade). So you can transfer it to any device without fear.

[@velavideoentertainment]

Interesting take. My mindset is. If you own a Blu-Ray disc it’s your disc and yours forever if you keep it. No streaming service can alter the contents on that disc. And you don’t need to connect to the internet to watch your disc. YOU OWN IT. Simple as

[@SegaCDUniverse]

I still prefer tangible films to watch whenever I want. I hate digital content. Maybe if it's a one off watch I don't mind a stream. lol

[@ColombianThunder]

Yeah, digital is good for rental or streaming but owning is much better and ensures (usually) great quality always since it's not dependent on Wi-Fi.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

I don't bother paying for any streaming but I do like Tubi. It's got a lot of films and shows that aren't easy to find and since it's free I don't have to worry about watching several things a month to justify having it and I don't feel angry when they remove something since I didn't buy it. Still prefer physical but when I can watch it it's nice to have a stress free streaming selection.

[@RexorProxer]

3 Years later and Disney Stops producing Blurays and DVDs for the Australian and New Zealand market. Times are Crazy.

[@robertt9342]

Pretty sure the bluray example of out of print being equal to a digital service losing the licensing is inaccurate. I believe the license goes with the disc.

[@adp217]

Interesting video but I think lawyers would disagree over the similarity you draw between disc and digital licences. The reason Amazon can stop you accessing a film but Criterion can’t repossess a disc is that Amazon are still in a meaningful sense “providing” a given film to you for as long as you access it through their website. That’s not the case with discs. Once a disc is sold and the transaction is complete, there is no ongoing relationship between merchant and consumer, the copy is simply your property in perpetuity. Pretty sure this was ironed out back in the days of VHS.

[@noahboy7309]

Unless in the terms of service of purchasing that digital copy it says that the license can expire.

[@DodgerFanAD_23]

I’m either really slow or it’s “past” my bedtime or something , or I don’t understand the concept of this video because you’ll have to fight me first to ever get my favorite movies from me in my Blu-ray collection.

[@mojosodope45]

Every movie that I can hold, disc and movie included, I own. I can take it anywhere I want and show it to anybody that I wish to show. Lol come and make me stop watching the physical movies that I own.

[@mr_indie_fan]

Very clickbaity, you couldve just said that physical media is better and be done with it also

[@peterschattmann8298]

Hey government, just try and tear the Bluray of Vertigo from my cold dead hand.

[@bazookatooth]

I thought everybody knew this already

[@ryans413]

I know I don’t own the rights to 878 blu rays I own I’d be broke but I own the disc and can play that disc over and over again. That’s my right they can’t come into my home and take it away. If I made copies and sold them or uploaded to social media sites then I could get into trouble cause I don’t own the rights it’s like where renting but the cool thing about physical media I can keep renting for years to come where digital those rights could be gone and that’s it you can’t view anymore

[@bazookatooth]

@@ryans413 did you mean to reply to me, or?

[@zacplaysleague5868]

We did he just wanted to clickbait and get views

[@hauntedvoyager7806]

Cool. So any time I watch an out of print title, the thrills won’t stop! 😎

[@yungalucard9139]

Kind of funny how buying a dvd binder could have solved the whole ‘space’ dilemma.

[@JimAllder11]

You should probably do a deep dive on copyright law, and possibly contact a copyright and entertainment law attorney, BEFORE you post something like this. Your theory -- which is what it is, a 'theory' -- is wrong. Under international copyright and trademark law, you legally own the physical copy of a blu-ray disc you paid for, as owning and viewing a previously produced form of media, in which the rights have since lapsed between vendor and copyright holder, is not even 'technically' illegal. Of course that can never be taken from you. Where did you get this ridiculous nonsense??? Do you have any idea how many hours of copyright classes I had to sit through to learn what I know? Put simply: you, as the consumer DO NOT lose your right to legally own/view content on the physical media copy you purchased -- even if the physical media company's license to produce that physical media copy has lapsed. You, the consumer, are in fact granted a lifetime license for your copy of that physical media. Anything else is a merely a crackpot conspiracy theory.

[@SpennysGamingChannelPS3PS4]

You do own your physical media! No one can come and take your collection away which means you own it! You cannot copy and sell that media but the discs are your property not even Disney can come and claim you physical media so again that means you own it.

[@urgaynknowit]

Idk about you: but the first few moments of your video are a little misleading: I bought a dvd ten years ago, I have a dvd player hooked up in the basement; and can play it anytime I want, and you’re telling me I don’t own it? I can go downstairs and break it in half or burn it right now lol you know why?? Because I OWN it… what you’re talking about is digital media, yeah sure; , but the whole premise of your video is misleading for attention, no sub; no like , try again

[@gieselats]

I totally agree. I still have movies on VHS which never make it.on dvd or blueray or a streaming platform. My DVD collection ist about 4000 DVDs. And someone will get the collection when I die. And this is a nice consideration. Someone gets the right to watch the movies. Not more. On DVD or BR you also have many special features which you never have on the platforms. E.g. interviews, galleries, trailers, other languages, commentary tracks, and so mich more. Artwork as well.

[@GaryJuuce]

" but do you even own your movies on DVD and Blu-ray?" Jeff Bezos aint gonna come in and take my blu rays back jeff (this is a joke not meaning it at you directly lol)

[@PlayitagainVHS]

I have my vhs and dvds.Nobody can take them away from me.I toss out the cases and artwork.I just want to watch my vhs and dvds.I put my dvds in paper sleeves and store them away.I got some Xtra dvd machines.This way I always have a back up player on hand

[@andyelphick]

I know that’s true for Apple - lost access to two films I bought due to the rights expiring for Apple.

[@Reconseal4050]

That's why physical media is always better! You will always own it for yourself and just not for the copyrights. Contract violations or lack of extensions will usually cause a digital item to be ceased from the original purchased platform.