"You either agree with determinism or you don't understand it"

Coach Zahabi goes over a question about determinism and explore the idea in different frames and arguments.
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[@chrisb2409]

Coach, please have a 3rd session with Joe Rogan 🙏 best episodes on JRE of all time in my opinion 💙

[@daudmushfeq6953]

I agree 👍

[@nduduzomkhize3300]

Indeed

[@RohnDON]

I'm about to listen again.

[@RichardBrent90111]

I got very sick in 2020 from schizophrenia. If I had watched this talk, I might not have gone to a hospital and may have avoided becoming very psychologically ill, but I hope more people can learn from your wealth of wisdom and knowledge. ❤

[@RayP-v3c]

May Allah swt give you peace of mind and good health, brother ❤

[@Alexandru_Balaur]

Very humble, smart, wise and manly individual. Great respect for you!

[@mohamadallan8548]

Love this videos coach you're like the father we all need

[@Sx-xy2zi]

I would love a panel with firas, khabib, and kamaru talking about masculinity

[@VaginasIayer]

🙌🏼

[@gickygackers]

@@Sx-xy2zi follow their example, their life is the panel. Panels are for women

[@UsmanKhan-iu1ci]

Life is crazy subhanallah I am happy to be a muslim Allahamdulillah. Verily in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest! The way the quran recitation sounds positive and has wisdom helps increase my aqeedah!

[@stefanallen2987]

minimalism is something we should talk about, cuz i remember one teacher when i was younger around 11-13 specifically always callin me a minimalist. But for me this is a great thing - it means you only do whats absolutely necessary right. If everybody only did whats absolutely necessary this would be literally a paradise

[@realdeal5658]

Just at the start of the video and I am perplexed at how fast you find an answer to such deep questions. Greatest respect!

[@liviodinaj6105]

Thomas Aquinas and Baruch Espinoza taught me this. Coach reminded me. What a noble mind :)

[@StolenHandel]

Everything is determined yet unpredictable. Your entire organism is determined such that it 'could' respond to any particular situation in more than one way, yet you will only get that one opportunity to respond to any given situation, and will never know if you could have actually responded differently. You are determined to act as if you are not determined, and this brings about an adaptive being with a comprehensive set of tools to respond to what is determined, yet unpredictable. Cheers!

[@StolenHandel]

In addition: There is an inherent unpredictability/probability at the foundation of our most respected models of reality (particle physics). In aggregate we can understand the direction of something with probabilistic outcomes. If I throw a baseball at you, you don't need to understand the quantum properties of every particle to catch the ball. Your brain actually hides this information from you so that you CAN catch it. This allows our brains to collect statistical data from our bodies interactions the environment and model what is most predictable as aggregates or 'objects'. Our bodies themselves are such aggregates modeled on a statistical analysis of what our 'collection of cells' can exert the most direct influence over. In this sense it seems that we are irrevocably cut off from confirming our most fundamental prediction: that what we claim to model as an 'objects' have any objective existence at all as such. The answer most commonly given is that our reality is 'intersubjective': The world as we experience it will always be a negotiation between what aspects of 'the world out there' impinge on our bodies in such a way that it can be reliably modeled as an object that we can meaningfully interact with. If it does not meaningfully interact with us to change our outcomes meaningfully, we can completely ignore it (not experience it at all). Thus there is always an element of ourselves in everything we model as external to us, because we use our bodies themselves to model reality. I recognize that there is an element of circularity to this which i believe to be unavoidable; we must use ourselves (or our bodies) to both represent ourselves and the world itself. We are always left staring at our own creations and wondering what could lie behind them. We place perceptions against perceptions as we interrogate our mental landscapes and discover inconsistencies that look like cracks in our dreamscape where we might be able to peer through to something objective. Ultimately we cannot follow our conscious processes through our synapses and look out Into the 'real world'. In some very essential way, the real world is a living mystery that will never yield to a creature that wants to see in a purely objective way, because the very act of seeing is an act of creation. Hopefully I typed this well because it got long winded!

[@davide4607]

It's only unpredictable due to a lack of knowledge. With sufficient knowledge, it's entirely predictable.

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

@@davide4607 That’s one way to explain the difference between God and Man

[@davide4607]

@@DarthBane-zf8wv That's one way, sure.

[@Rahman.Shahadat]

Sounds similar to what Ghazali said. Excellent brief.

[@sawanoo]

This touches the idea of non-dualism. Not sure what idea belongs to what religion but ultimately truth unites at this level. Thanks for the great insight 🙏🏽

[@jackmehoff915]

Dualism is generally associated with Manicheanism , Islam is at odds with it.

[@zorororonoa6577]

Elaborate on non dualism.

[@mete3254]

"Everything in this universe has a reason but, this doesn't mean that conscious-beings don't have free will." -John Searle

[@SKRATCH1988]

none of these concepts are really self contradictory... you have to consider first principles, which are a choice. but once you have first principles all of these problems are solved by logic. For example, if your first principle is that individuals are sovereign, then free will in a deterministic world is derived from individual choice.... if determinism represents following highest pleasure than the choice in how you achieve that goal is what gets you either blessed or cursed. No one can tell you what the proper choices are, or what the outcomes will be either... they can help guide you, but ultimately it is you when you make the choice and live with the outcome that can know "gnosis" be a knower.

[@mete3254]

@topher nolastname Sir, you are focusing on specific situations, we have to make generalisations to find the universal truth.

[@jettmthebluedragon]

Well the truth is we don’t really for example drink coffee you can’t control the chemicals in your coffee as the chemicals in the coffee make you want more of it 😐or when your sick when your throat tickles try not to cough 😐

[@jettmthebluedragon]

@topher william babbington well their is no such thing as god 😑did your god stop 9/11? Or the mass killings of ww1 and ww2 ?😐or the concentration camps? NO 😑it’s all about what do you personally want in your mind 😐if you say RED I will tell you how deep the rabbit hole goes but if you say BLUE the story ends and you believe whatever you want or believe 😑for me I say RED

[@sergeantkawaii8070]

I thought firas was an mma coach now I’m here and am having trouble 100% understanding determinism 😭

[@afnanbogey]

Thought provoking and well explained. But if we go beneath the atomic level, sub-atomic particles dont behave deterministically but probabilistically. So the deepest foundation (sort of) has a gap in the causal chain.

[@nunya5027]

This was my same thought we don't live in a determined / clockwork universe

[@afnanbogey]

@@nunya5027 Yeah it’s like we built a house of cards but the lowest deck doesnt make sense 😂

[@mikedee1]

What if matter doesn’t even exist?

[@habibhussain-sw1iw]

​@@afnanbogey No you don't understand. To you sub atomic particles behave probabilistically but if you had the intelligence and knowledge of god even that would be known and understood fully. "Not even an atom's weight is hidden from your lord on earth or in heaven; nor anything smaller or larger than that, but it is written in a perfect record" quran 10:61

[@scaryjoker]

Everything is probabilistic. We just hold on to that word when we don't know how something truly works.

[@amineboudhina5326]

Never get bored listening to this ❤️

[@boogieboss]

In the past everything looks like a prefabricated path, but looking into the future there are endless possibilities.

[@liviodinaj6105]

this is one of the deepest quotes I have ever heard. I have been thinking about this non stop for the past week. the only quote that matches it, is Viktor Frankl's "freedom lies in the space between stimulus and response"

[@brennancarter7721]

This is by far the most interesting philosophy video I have ever watched. Coach, you are a wizard.

[@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1]

Firas, I'm a non-dualist and a nihilist. I was a theoretical physics student at university, but I eventually went insane and almost psychotic, after pursuing the absolute truth of my own accord. Solipsism and nihilism made me go crazy for a bit. I arrived at an abbreviated form of the cogito "I am" in my conclusion, but what I also saw was that my self was nothing but a composition of layers upon layers to no end. There's no core to the onion of the self, only more layers. Mentally I'm in much better place since then, since this was 2 years ago. My critique of your worldview (without addressing islam) is that you assume that your version of logic is the ultimate law of reality. You believe that there is an ultimate law or order. It my opinion (I cannot prove it) that the only law to reality is that there is none. You doubt the validity of science, but if you go even further than that, you'll see you can doubt the validity of logic itself. I might be wrong but you seem to believe that everything in existence is tied by cause and effect. This leads you to believe things like determinism. I agree with you that this life is a dream and that materialism is ultimately a belief, where a "belief" is anything that you state to be true but cannot know to be true with 100% certainty.

[@emmashalliker6862]

Typical relativist.. There is no truth but truth there is no truth. Ugh, nothing true but the universal framework of no universal truth. It's self refuting.

[@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1]

@@emmashalliker6862 that's not true, I said that the statement "I am" is the only certain truth. Therefore I do believe truth exists

[@erikmorales17]

I’ve always believed that everything has been decided even the very thought of this and the next thought and action. But I believed this since I was born no one taught me. Just like I always thought of god before anyone taught me about him.

[@n1troz_]

What about everything is layed out for you but you decided the options when those “options” appear in your life?

[@yeahdude9264]

Nicely put, especially with the Simpsons analogy. For anyone interested in this topic I'd highly recommend reading Schopenhauers: The World as Will and Representation. I had the pleasure to read it as a philosophy student and it basically ruined philosophy for me, nothing even comes close. It's an absolute materpiece. Another good, more casual literature is Thomas Ligotti's: The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. Things become shockingly enlightning as one wanders through the rabbit hole of philosophical pessimism.

[@Saber23]

They don’t become “enlightening” at all bruh 😂 if that was the case and pessimism was the truth you idiots wouldn’t be depressed and killing yourselves 🤦‍♂️ there is no absolute determinism, you have free will dude

[@C4ProductionsSD]

I understand the principles but how so you explain wave of probabilities of quantum mechanics? Also tests have been made in the collision particles in Switzerland to figure out if they universe is deterministic via super symmetry or chaos. The results came a perfect middle ground between those two. This perhaps means that even if we were in a simulation. Outcome could be calculated but free will would still exist somehow. They would be tons of different universe and outcomes. One rule of the universe is : it doesn’t want to be figured out.

[@icyBulls]

"My friend Jason here is dropping a philosophical question" Proceeds to go into the deepest philosophical lecture, lol love Firas

[@DylanBekker]

Love these philosophy video’s from you 🙌🏼

[@chuntoon1]

You had me until 13:15 .. just because we can't scientifically prove consciousness yet doesn't mean we won't some day and just because we don't know how it fits into the causal chain today, doesn't mean it's not true. Great video!

[@Fayzthetruth]

How? We’ll invent machines that can see into the unseen world? Lol

[@chuntoon1]

@@Fayzthetruth We've already done that ... microscopes for the small unseen world and telescopes for the far away one. Imagine if you told people 200 years ago about those inventions. We can map the brains electric activity, we can meter sounds levels. Why can't we one day make one that will see consciousness?

[@Fayzthetruth]

@@chuntoon1 all of that is still within the seen world. But we will never be able to go beyond the physical world. For example, dreams. We cant see other people’s dreams. It can only be experienced within one’s own consciousness. Believing we will get there is pure faith based on nothing.

[@chuntoon1]

@@Fayzthetruth If you told someone 200 years ago you were going to show them tiny microbes living on them if they look through a little tube of glass lenses they'd have locked you in the loony bin. Who is to say dreams don't take some physical form we will see one day. If we hooked your brain to a scanner and poked you, it would trigger different reactions than if we tickled you ... that's magic and witchcraft to people 200 years ago. So, to think we could learn to interpret those signals better to see a dream is a reach, but is it something you can truly rule out?

[@Orion-ns8hj]

​@@FayzthetruthExactly,When we zoom inside the brain, we can see cells. Does consciousness exist in cells? No. Then, we zoom further and see neurons. Is consciousness here? No, because neurons only contain electric signals. Finally, when we zoom even further, we have electric signals. So, where exactly is consciousness? Can a person pinpoint one area or cells and say, "Here is consciousness"? There is no way humans can develop a technology that reads your brain or displays your dreams on TV like a movie when someone is dreaming. First all we don't even know what we are looking for so forget about creating technology to detect consciousness , soul etc.

[@nereidasantiago-f7f]

"the whole system is predictable" but, Laplace lived before Heisenberg

[@shuaibmohammed4749]

Jazak’Allahu Khayran my brother amazing explanation

[@party38]

Mean ! Video started with double commercial then every few minutes commercials can’t watch anything on KZbin anymore

[@joaoalegria7578]

Great insight coach, so basically everything is ruled by desire. And the desire that which is most important overtakes the other desires. Anyone has free will to change his life for the better if the chooses so(he really desires it deep down).

[@ibsmsss5290]

I still don't understand .. Is it determinism or compatabilism ? where does the free will / free choice as Quran warns us to choose out of, stands ? Especially the simpson's analogy .. so maggie is delusional that she is driving the car but somebody else is in the control ? Then why would maggie get blamed if an accident occurs ? could someone please explain it to me i,the Islamic perspective in the layman's term? I am a muslim but always had strong lean towards determinism and fatalism no matter how many times I read Quran.

[@AirMuftiProductions]

i year late👀but..🤷‍♂️ i thought the maggie analogy was maggie= soul(foreign to this imperical world) mom = the physical body in sync with the soul. the desire(of the soul) lines up with the determined reality.

[@maryamomar3589]

@@AirMuftiProductions what makes the desire of the soul fit for judgement then?

[@julythrunov]

my favorite coach

[@LeScandal]

I particularly appreciate the Coach’s insights as he taps into both Eastern and Western philosophy. He straddles both cultures to the benefit of all of us, regardless of faith.

[@jasonjonas6636]

Since i was a kid i don't know why but my thought was all of us are in someone's tv and he is watching us like we watch tv series.

[@lionheart5418]

Determinism is idea way before Islam.

[@achillesbissias]

Determinism is an understanding of the universe, it’s not man made. Therefore whichever came first doesn’t matter even from a non islamic perspective because one does not necessitate the other.

[@mhnv9436]

Islam literally means submission to God, and submission to God according to the Quran has existed long before humanity. And if you are persisting on determinism, which I also beleive, who determines it ultimately?

[@reedsmith871]

interesting opinion Firas, Take a deep dive into quantum physics or philosophy of mind and see if you still think the same.

[@Dondlo46]

can you explain it to me if you think quantum physics or philosophy of mind explains the topic?

[@francoisjouvet2039]

Bonjour M. Zahabi, J'apprécie beaucoup votre présentation du problème, d'autant que vous vous adressez à un large public. Je crois cependant que la conception déterministe de la science classique demande à être nuancée, eu égard aux progrès scientifiques depuis Poincarré et Einstein (théorie du chaos et science quantique). La question suivante demeure en suspens : qu'en est-il de la nouveauté, de l'imprévisibilité de la vie et de l'univers sans faire intervenir tout un arrière-plan théologique où un Dieu omniscient aurait voulu à l'avance tout ce qui s'est produit et se produira ? Comment apercevoir dans cette "soupe primordiale" dont parle Dawkins le iPhone, la théorie de Al-Ghazali ou la crème glacée napolitaine ? Il y a nécessairement de l'imprévisibilité dans ce monde. Autrement dit, le futur n'est pas écrit. Vous semblez être dualiste, pour garder une place à ce qu'on peut appeler la conscience et que notre expérience personnelle ne peut dénier. Pour résoudre le problème scientifique du déterminisme, vous faites alors appel à l'harmonie préétablie de Leibniz, le parallélisme de Spinoza ou à l'occasionnalisme (vous citez un philosophe arabe mais on peut aussi penser à Malebranche). De la sorte, la conscience n'est qu'une illusion subjective qui "émane" ou vit en parallèle d'un monde entièrement déterminé par les "lois de la nature". Votre dualisme n'admet donc aucune interaction possible entre ces deux substances (la pensée et l'étendue). La question reste cependant de savoir si l'esprit peut agir sur le corps, auquel cas il y a encore une place pour la liberté humaine. J'ai le sentiment qu'au final, la question de l'auditeur n'a pas été répondue... Qu'en est-il de la responsabilité dans un monde où tout est écrit à l'avance ? Je vous invite à visionner cette vidéo d'Ilya Prigogine, qui réfléchit à ces questions. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKHIinWEeK2dkNU Je vous salue ! François

[@ethnicalbert]

You have a very simplistic definition of determinism that is not scientific in nature. Which is fine but its not what 'most' people think

[@AirMuftiProductions]

he did specify towards the end it was "in a nutshell". but idk if there is any issue with the "given all variables (v of each atom), one could determine the outcome"

[@Navk23]

It is what it is - Philosopher Max Holloway

[@moazzamsameer]

That jar of water with ice cubes in it looks beautiful 7:17

[@imazspams6760]

I'm confused how the problem of consciousness introduces Free will isn't personal experience determined (by environment if not genetics)? Even if consciousness is not part of the causal chain, is it not influenced by determinism?

[@sparkxshawty]

Always love to hear your philosophical insight please answer more of those

[@jettmthebluedragon]

Based on what I personally have taught myself about the universe for the past 6 months 😐I say we live in a deterministic universe meaning that the physics of nature are set their will NEVER be cone or a square star or planet 😑EVERY star and planet will forever be a a sphere like shape 😐however the part that changes is the size shape or composition and what’s it made form 😐nothing in nature is 100% random 😑I would say we live in a deterministic universe and what that means is the laws of nature is set in stone however the part that changes is the history not the physics 😐and despite accepting that we don’t have free will I’m actually satisfied with it 😐

[@CoachZahabi]

If you don't have free will then how were you able to rationalize your thoughts about determinism? If you are truly determined then your answer was typed and it had nothing to do with "you" but rather events that happened long ago. If blind forces are what determine everything, then how did you come to know you are determine. This entails you would have to be determined to know you are determined. Lastly how can blind forces lead to rational thinking??? Where you determined to have all these logical thoughts? Your logical thoughts arose from blind forces??? The law of physics are never observed, all we observed are patterns and regularities. This is known as the problem of causation.

[@jettmthebluedragon]

@@CoachZahabi I said it’s completed 😑animals even is have free will you can kill others or Decide what you eat for breakfast lunch and dinner etc 😐however the amount of free will we have is EXTREMELY limited

[@Sheeeeshack]

I would say we live in a HYPER, SUPER, ULTRA deterministic universe. No way to sugar-coat it or sweeten it like some "scientists" try to do.

[@wannabewoodworker9705]

Predetermined to reject determinism

[@RoninFitnessecomma]

Coach look into quantum physics. Killed the physics argument for determinationism

[@MasterShadow.]

Pseudo science you mean

[@Whatdothenumbersmean]

Ah yes quantum physics. Because we have already explained it right? We already know what’s happening? The scientists have said that the electrons “randomly” move from one place to another, or randomly are in one position or another until observation. Einstein himself says God does not play dice with the universe. Our current NARRATIVE is that randomness is occurring in quantum physics. Randomness is just a word we humans use when something is beyond our understanding or explanations. We cannot calculate what is happening, so we slap the word “random” to quantum mechanics, and then pat ourselves on the back because we think we are right 😂😂😂 50-100 years from now all of our understandings of quantum physics will be seen as primitive and idiotic. Dont take the narrative as the paradigm. We just dont understand the quantum world yet.

[@charlievaughan1308]

What actual degree does. Firas have in Philosophy?

[@jakegmnlo6411]

Coach's arguments still hold because when it comes to the physics of large moving bodies such as our bodies, the effects of quantum uncertainty are negligible.

[@charlievaughan1308]

@@jakegmnlo6411 What actual degree does Firas have in physics.?

[@jackmehoff915]

"You either agree with determinism or you don't understand it" or you don't understand quantum physics at all.

[@MasterShadow.]

Quantum Physics lol pseudo science you mean

[@jackmehoff915]

@@MasterShadow. yeah the best understanding of reality and 100% observable , the reality of it is why things like computers work, the photo electric effect proved, the 2 slit experiment ..on and on and on we can go ..is pseudo science

[@Blackberrygmail]

www.ghazali.org/articles/harding-V10N2-Summer-93.pdf

[@mikhailsharon4331]

Love it.

[@Blueblackngold]

More philosophy please

[@musafaisal8267]

Coach I have spent years on this topic and I need your input. When Allah asked the pen to write, did He meant to write what will happen (pure knowledge) or what He wanted to happen?

[@helsharidy123]

Nothing happens without Allah swt wanting it to happen, bro.

[@charlievaughan1308]

​What about 5he thousands of innocent Palestanians who have tragically lost their lives?

[@musafaisal8267]

@@charlievaughan1308 They will enter paradise Inshallah without any account.

[@Taylan777]

What if scientists could find that bottle of water your imagining. Its easy to imagine we just aren't there yet scientifically. We couldn't tell if someone was dreaming not too long ago but now throught mointoring brain activity we can. I feel as though it is a natural progression that we will eventually learn the contents of those dreams and more. I think it will be the most complicated scientific hurdle know to mankind and I do think there is a great chance we will never be able to figure it out. If we did figure it out it would absolutely suck but it might happen.

[@molyholy7056]

Coach I have one question! How is the brain not part of the causal chain? It exists of atoms.

[@uthman2281]

Not brain

[@jarrettpierce5626]

come here for my philosophy lessons, im curious if animals have this consciousness too or is it just humans?

[@Ensiferum888]

9:40 I might be wrong but wouldn't an MRI reveal activity in certain regions in your brain? And with enough data we could build a map for your neuron network and eventually have enough to look at the heatmap and determine "Firas wants a drink right now"? I have a real hard time acknowledging the mind because every single thing you experience can be explained by neurons firing or hormones being exchanged (love, taste, anger, peace). But I think the universe is deterministic as well, we think we have free will but we're just running our default program.

[@Orion-ns8hj]

I don't think it can be something that simple like if I think about a water bottle in my mind can anyone use MRI & tell me that I am thinking about a water bottle ? It's almost impossible.

[@Ensiferum888]

@@Orion-ns8hj Not on a brain you no nothing about, you are correct. But you can "easily" map someone's brain, right now there is a human being with a Neuralink implant that can play video games just using his mind. That's because the chip has mapped his brain and can interpret certain neuron paths as a specific action to perform in the game.

[@Orion-ns8hj]

@@Ensiferum888 yeah I agree with you as the technology will progress we will be able to map entire brain & will be able to use the electric signal & other things to understand what brain is trying to do it completely makes sense but the moment we start talking about mind, consciousness etc it almost like a completely different thing it's something that is way beyond neurons or brain signals we can use these machines to predict what brain is trying to do but i don't think we can even understand that from where all these desires & thought of drinking water is coming from

[@pxlarquitectos]

love your content, loved you on joe rogan, you should return

[@kararal-mafraje5120]

Coach, I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I tend to agree with the idea that consciousness is not an epiphenomenon of computation, I still disagree with the idea that because consciousness is not predetermined by our genetics we can therefore say it's outside the chain of causality. There are two bases for my claim. The first is that there is absolutely no place for free will experientially. Anyone with a psychedelic/transcendental experience or who has any lengthy experience with meditation will recognize this. You have no freedom over your or your choices because there simply is no single "you" that chooses. That is, there is no entit which is a unity, or a homunculus that determines between different choices and thoughts. In its most raw form, one can observe that every experience, including thoughts, just appear and dissapear. There is no explanation for why they appear or why one chooses anything. I am a panpsychist and I believe that consciousness is a fundamental part of our universe at the most minute level. That does not mean that there is any room for choice in experience. This can be observed if one just sits with one's thoughts long enough. Secondly, there is no denying the effect of our materiality on consciousness. The way neurosurgeons can affect different people's behaviors through targeting certain parts of our brain is a clear example. Other examples also include how people's subjective experiences can change with traumatic brain injury, split brain syndrome etc... I just don't see where there is room for consciousness to create any room for freedom of choice. I hope I haven't misunderstood your point and wish you nothing but the best! I always love listening to your perspective when it comes to everything that is philosophy and martial arts.

[@DePeaceHunter]

I do believe you misunderstand him.

[@mdecoste]

What proof is there that determinism is true? How does quantum mechanics play into these theories?

[@paulv7744]

Nobody knows yet for sure, of course because we dont have all the information to make that conclusion... These are just Coach Firas' perspective.. so take it or leave it, I guess. 😅

[@Blackberrygmail]

Please check the article and you will understand what it means. www.ghazali.org/articles/harding-V10N2-Summer-93.pdf

[@MarkoGrujo]

Could listen to you all day coach!

[@mistersonnen848]

You would never call Newton, a Christian scientist. Not sure why your first description of Ghazali was Arabic, then corrected to Islamic where in fact he was Persian, who followed the most common religion in his region at the time. The religious determinism especially in Islam comes from you having to believe ultimately that Allah is the ultimate source of power and knowledge. If you were to do a move without him having known that prior, would diminish that, and if he does know, he planned it. "The lord had created and balanced all things and has fixed their destination and guided them". But then in contrast we also have a an example "And as for thamud, we guided them, but they preferred blindness over guidance". The example that you brought up that "we are determined to punish you for your sins/ crime" let's say is fair for us humans, but for God to punish you for it in after life, is he also bound by the rules of determinism? Or does he have Free will? If he does I remember a verse "we guide to light those who we chose" or something along that. To create a sinner, know they can and will sin and punish them for it, is a sadistic act, but that's the paradox of religion. Is God ever omniscient and omnipresent, or has God created the universe and what follows is out of his hand. For one you can "justify" punishment for sins/ crime, for the other you can't.

[@mark-kq7rc]

The discussion of free will vs determinism can never be solved by any group whether atheists, agnostics Muslims or Christian thinkers.

[@lucasheijdeman2581]

Nah there is an epistemic underdetermination between humans not able to predict things/modelling phenomena in terms of cause effect relationships in certain cases and calling those cases instances of randomness vs us projecting order and cause effect models on what is in reality a completely random spontaneous universe and then there also is the view that 'things' and those conditions that are necessary for things to exist like space are dependently arising and thus ultimately illusory while in reality there is no differentiation at all which renders the whole randomness vs determinsm debate obsolete. Also your argument for compatibalism seems to assume dualism and if this is so how do you account for the interaction problem?

[@saleem801]

How do you prove that free will exists?

[@GetH0NEY]

Religious people are prime purveyors of determinism. Physicists studying quantum physics probably would disagree with determinism.

[@Blackberrygmail]

www.ghazali.org/articles/harding-V10N2-Summer-93.pdf

[@Blackberrygmail]

Please check this article

[@Abu-Talha-Al-Kurdi]

Keep Going Brother, May Allah bless you 🤎

[@bigbadbambi9687]

Does he have a brother who is a gamer?

[@SaLeh-ep6wn]

Mashallah Brother

[@jaywalker6464]

So if our gen and environment, what can we do to change it, coach?

[@kaleemthedream9450]

God says we have the chance to become better than angels angels don't have these restraint on them they worship God without any limitation like we humans have but once we accept determinism we can control our egotistical thoughts and subconsciously rewire your brain making it self reflect on every decision you make or even think of before making an actual decision when pain hits you you should accept it and be happy and say All praise to God for letting me experience this pain to realize true love of reality. have a great day my brothers! this why when you are focused on something else your subconscious thought can be constantly pondering about the world and your self(ego). I have tasted true reality now i have lost love for the material world but i enjoy it to a healthy extent in the sense where i don't disregard worldly pleasures but i eat in moderation. I am able to rewire my brain by thinking like this through the will of God. Only God allows me to do this.

[@jettmthebluedragon]

@@kaleemthedream9450 your useless god is nothing but a joke 😑after all 🖕your god and look NOTHING happend 😑the question is can you accept that’s their is no such thing as god?🧐unless you can’t accept the truth and you take the BLUE pill 😐if you say BLUE the story ends and I’ll leave you alone 😐say RED you stay in wonderland and I’ll tell you how deep the rabbit hole goes 😐

[@mattdavidson3592]

Hey coach your philosophy, and the support for it, are based on classical physics (ie a somewhat outdated) perspective. What I mean by this is the argument using Newton and Laplace to support determinism completely disregards the modern findings due to experiments and theoretical findings in quantum physics. Determinism starts to break down ,more clearly, when we get closer and closer to fundamental building blocks (particles) or to systems of certain sizes (think condensed matter systems such as twisted bi layer graphene). Note I say more clearly because this quantum phenomenon is still available at large scale, its just heavily suppressed (you’d have to go into the details of the math to see this). I bring this all up to say we in the modern age should probably consider an update this philosophy about determinism, as we have discovered it’s not as simple as the world is or isn’t deterministic.

[@CoachZahabi]

Thanks for the comment. Yes of course quantum physics has now brought everything about determinism into question. I would love to cross examine an expert in quantum physics on day on this channel. My current view is a little complex, but I don't believe that quantum physics does anything to undermine determinism ultimately. Quantum theories are pragmatic and not necessarily true.

[@Blackberrygmail]

Check this article please. www.ghazali.org/articles/harding-V10N2-Summer-93.pdf

[@Reformsqua]

There are so many technical examples of why the universe is not deterministic that determinism is purely a belief system at this point

[@HideAndRead]

Nope, we have the capacity for free will. Most actions are determined, but we do have the ability to use free will. Not doing so is generally out of nescience, but if an individual chooses to give up free will..... that's a choice perhaps.

[@ronocko]

Do brain damaged people have free will?

[@SeriouslySerene]

Interesting take on determinism and combining it with occasionalism. I've also thought about this same vein of explanation to combine these two observations, cause and effect and free will. A way I like to see it that simplifies it is that Allah is outside of time and space, like an author writing a book. We, the characters are given free choice and because Allah is outside of time, He knows that choice beforehand and then writes it in at that moment, setting off the cause and effect chain into the past and future simultaneously. Another possible view is that Allah creates all possibilities including all possible choices of everyone and depending on our choice, we bring that possibility into our consciousness and "reality". Kind of like a quantum probability collapsing into a single point.

[@052rahulkashyap4]

My brain just realized that the mind is watching it form the corner 🥲🥲

[@Isaac-mc4kk]

Very good video, as a Christian, one of our confessions of faith states similarly: From all eternity God decreed everything that occurs, without reference to anything outside Himself. He did this by the perfectly wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably. Yet God did this in such a way that He is neither the author of sin nor has fellowship with any in their sin. This decree does not violate the will of the creature or take away the free working or contingency of second causes. On the contrary, these are established by God’s decree. In this decree God’s wisdom is displayed in directing all things, and his power and faithfulness are demonstrated in accomplishing His decree.

[@peteblaxmith]

the way he talks about Newton like Moses

[@squeezy1001]

I don’t understand how determinism is supported by Islam?!? A good portion of the Quran is literally screaming at you to make the right choices and abstain from the wrong if you want to achieve salvation.

[@DePeaceHunter]

The Quran also talk about how everything is predetermined over and over. The way I see it its like an RPC game. Only billions times more complex. How everything works in an RPC game is predetermined by the game maker through coding. You as player CANNOT do anything that has not been planned by the game maker. Your character, your environtment, your choices, your circumstances, your moves etc all were predetermined. Yet you can still have multiple outcomes despite everything being predetermined. It is your choice as player that make you win/lose the game. But, you can only lose the way the game maker has decided, and you can only win the way the game maker has decided. So whatever result you get, they are predetermined The only different here is God knows for certainty your end result or which path you're going to take. while the game maker does not. The mistake people pften make IMO, they imagine their destiny as some sort of linear path in which they have no choice but to stay in the same line. But really, theres no basis to think that is the case. So yeah I believe predeterminism doesnt cancel freewill.

[@charlievaughan1308]

​@@DePeaceHunterI am a non believer. God could have chosen not create the individual He knew was going to hell fire. If God is the Most Merciful of those who showbmercy, this would not have been a problem for God.

[@kelakogreenaddict1888]

Quantum physics is the only thing, in my eyes, with the Copenhagen interpretation at least, that disproves determinism

[@Blackberrygmail]

www.ghazali.org/articles/harding-V10N2-Summer-93.pdf

[@Blackberrygmail]

Please check the article above in the link. Then you will see what you are missing

[@ethnicalbert]

This is COMPLETELY not what everyone agrees with. People sacrifice their greatest pleasure constantly for many many many reasons

[@omgitsibrahim7712]

Why do some souls seem to make better decisions than other souls? Doesnt this mean thay souls are different and are determined to make certaon choices dependong on how it is. You just moved the problem back one step. But the same thong apploes. Maybe im saying nothing and im an idiot 🤣

[@mohammedrehman8306]

When firas uploads, we watch, we listen. Top lad firas is.

[@jeffreygreene2379]

Not to detract from anything that Coach Zahabi has said, I would like to add my thoughts to help Jason also. Side stepping the idea that pleasure is man's highest desire, because that is easily refuted by examples such as people going to a certain death to defend others. There is no pleasure in that but it is of the highest calling. It can be said people in general seek to belong to something and have hope in something in which they believe. They will forsake everything to gain this type of fulfillment but it is really not pleasure. Now little else is built in to humans other than these two common traits, belonging and hope. We are not like lower forms of animals with built in preprogramming for survival. We need knowledge to survive. As Coach said all is determined, but we can't fathom this, we see our life as a series of choices and this seems true for us in space and time. But for God, He lets his prophets know that He exist outside of this realm. All is true in all three of the great religions. He see past, present and future in continuity and knows all things. Your genetics is God's code for each living thing but not all instructions are the same for each creature. God has characteristics that never change, God is the same 6,000 years in the past as God is today and exists on a plain we cannot comprehend. Our individual instructions are a gift from God, but with all gifts they can be misused. Fortunately God created the messangers, we know them through history as angels. God did not place some people on earth for an eternity of punishment, God provided instructions for his greatest creation, humans. But, because of sin, which is failure to meet God's requirements for his highest level of creation and because you have a real time free will, humans as well as angels have this, but the father of all lies, satan was also an angel, and failed his Creator with pride and evil deeds. As Coach said Jason, you are the sum of your genetics and environment, but you are also a moral actor held accountable by God in real time with choices as we humans know it, and a just and loving God must punish sin, but was also loving enough to provide you God's instructions. Now, not all instructions are correct, some have come from God and some from the father of all lies, the devil. If you want to avoid being damned to an eternity of torment, you must choose wisely. There can only be one way to God, God is not multifaceted, God is unity, I am that I am, and unrepentant evil will be punished on earth, sometimes, but definitely after death the doers of evil will certainly be punished eternally.

[@DePeaceHunter]

Satan was not an angel

[@charlievaughan1308]

If God did not create, would evil exist?

[@saberghafoor]

Mash'Allah brother, that's an excellent explanation for the soul.

[@47RokuW]

Outstanding as always Chief🧘🏾‍♂️🌟☀️

[@EdgardoDenmark]

Here is the flaw presented in favor of determinism, "if you know every single motion of every single atom in the world ....." . The issue is, that if you presuppose a mechanical rigid nature to atoms that adhere to laws, to reach a conclusion about determinism, then from the ground up, that argument is flawed. It would be more accurate to say, that what occurs at micro scale aggregate to macro behaviour. Now to the bias introduced as a function of a common approach to religion. When banana man Ray Comfort wrapped his fingers around a banana, he presented this as proof of his understanding of creation due to how well the banana fitted his hand. It fits the narrative, God created man and by extension the banana, therefore the fitness of the banana to the human hand underlines his approach to the creation story. The fact that banana man Ray was blissfully unaware, that bananas has been cultivated, have multiple variants etc. serves to emphasize how bias works in mysterious ways. Determinism understood from this religious perspective, God creates a world for humans to reside in, humans has free will, otherwise the notion of hell and paradise becomes illogical, though rest of creation must follows "deterministic rules" since "man" is what it is about in some sense navigating in a ordered world, produces a bias likely to express itself as a belief in both determinism and free will.

[@streetscope]

Id spider guard arm bar Satan just like you showed us coach

[@impolitikful]

It is because you can choose what you want but you cannot want what you want.

[@mitgarkeinreden6723]

Most convincing youtube comment ever

[@mikuspalmis]

That sounds backwards. Maybe I'm not understanding.

[@mikuspalmis]

@@mrmoonlight1001 I understand now. Thank you. I think I was a lil slow that morning, haha.

[@lonelyb9661]

Determinism could easily prove itself by prediction. If your son at 10 likes vanilla but when he's 30 prefers chocolate it should be easily predictable, after all it is determined. The determinists should have the ultimate goal of disproving probability and the math backing it. Further to do so the basis to do so would have to start with subatomic particles which the movements are probabilistic, can change based upon observation, and as yet are understood as a dynamic system.

[@theprince8079]

Jazaka Allah khayran for this video brother Firas! Would please tell me the name of the 3alem you spoke about in the last minute?

[@saminuh]

Ibn Tufayl

[@theprince8079]

Jazaki Allah khayran and Eid Mubarak

[@MrJpurvis620]

I was determined to listen to this and ask this question… Who was that last philosopher mentioned and what was the material?

[@leenaghailan1635]

the book is called hayy ibn yaqthan and its by ibn tufail

[@ingenuk4266]

What if you are determined not to understand it?

[@kareembedeir]

I disagree Firas. Determinism indicating that choices will be invariably a product of genetics and environment maybe true until self discipline sets in. This is the whole point of “جهاد النفس"، and the justification for accountability. A person can do a less kind action in a situation, then in an identical situation 5 minutes later do a the kindest action, depending on his spiritual presence at different times and ability to self control. And this is the crux of virtue. The option to not. A computer can be correct and can be accurate, but it cannot be truthful or honest. These virtues, by which we imitate attributes of God, only get their meaning by the ability to do the opposite. If you cannot lie, you cannot be truthful. If you cannot cheat, you cannot be honest, etc. This is the journey of self purification.

[@ameen_H]

Is there not a difference between God determining and knowing? If God knows future it's not a problem, but I think its a problem if he has determined it. For example, If God knew I would harm somebody today even before I existed it's not an issue, but if he determined it, How am I responsible? Or am I missing something ?

[@DePeaceHunter]

God predetermined something doesnt mean you have to choose it. The problem here is you imagine God has determined a linear path for you, so u think u have no choice but to be in that linear path. But that doesnt have to be the case. God might determined a maze shaped line for you, in which case, eventho everything is determined, you still have options in that predetermined world.

[@ifthatthenthis3797]

Haven't watched yet but I will Coach I am a Christian We have two schools of thought that ultimately encompasses this question Calvanism vs armanism Does God choose his followers or do we have freewill?

[@Chounubis]

Those who adhere to some notion of "Determinism" have a poor understanding of human reason, and of what it, thus, means to be fully "human." In simply conducting an argumentation, the determinist necessarily contradicts his entire "philosophical outlook" by presupposing the following a.) That the one with whom he argues possesses capacities for understanding, and deliberating over the arguments that have been presented, and thus, has the freedom to make up his own mind. b.) That the arguer is, himself, free since he must also listen to, and understand hus peer, and deliberate over the arguments that have been given to him. What would be the purpose of any sort of argumentation if man was supposedly "determined"? If I am but a genetic slave, or the slave of some almighty God or what have you, then my views are already "pre-determined" for me based on my genes, caste, group, etc., and that is that. If determinism is true, then any and all argumentation would be but a bizarre and illusory activity and little else. On a moral level, it would make the sole method and means of peacefully settling our differences utterly futile ("Might Makes Right" and Sophistic misuses of language for manipulating others would be the sole alternatives to any and all peaceful and genuine argumentation). But since the argumentative function of language is so fundamental to man's very existence - since it is that which fundamentally makes a man a genuine "person" and something separate from the animals - it cannot be briskly dismissed and whisked away as such (that would be a deeply absurd and arbitrary thing for anyone to do).

[@pbc662]

Such a cultivated man! TY coach Z

[@machomaam4975]

When someone tells you something by starting, "Everyone agrees with this," you know you are getting some real bullshit.

[@yodathecloverholder69]

Exactly. Determinism is a philosophy based on ignorance.

[@hasanhaytham4455]

@@yodathecloverholder69 how so? Please explain why it's from ignorance?

[@sbag11]

Whatever is gonna happen, is gonna happen. Nothing else is possible.

[@clapdrix72]

Out of his league. Not all neuroscientists let alone philosophers agree on Determinism. More to the point, an MMA coach with no PHD or even masters has any business speaking on a subject this technical and esoteric. Thinking you are part of the academic community of a field because you majored in it is akin to a kid dressing up like his favorite football player thinking he's in the NFL. Stop it.

[@desistang8794]

damn coach , 4:12 you didn't have to dirty her like that , She probably gave up diet coke after that lol

[@brummypaki8571]

Firas how often are you working out in this present momment

[@florankacaku64]

Coach, have you heard about the principle of computational irreducibly? Meaning that there are computations for which you can never know the result without running the stimulation. Do you think that disagrees with determinism?

[@MAZ501]

Our limitations (In computation, language or mathematics or physical etc.) are not Everybody Else's limitations. What we can't figure out does not imply that it won't be reducible for God.

[@florankacaku64]

@@MAZ501 I'm not claiming that our livies are computationally irreducible, but the principle of computational irreducibility is not about people. It's about any computation so nothing can know before hand the result of the computation before running the computation.

[@MAZ501]

@@florankacaku64 where did I talk about our lives? read every word very very very carefully again. There is a possibility that an Entity with Perfect knowledge has no "unknown variables" to counter, nothing out of its ability to reduce even before computation or execution of any drawn out scenario. Don't impose people's limitations on God.

[@florankacaku64]

@@MAZ501 I meant to say, that I don't necessarily think our lives are computationally irreducible, but other processes in the universe are.

[@ghuraba8438]

Im absolutely sure im a man. No doubt

[@NorHeadHunter]

"You either agree with free will or you don't understand it"

[@donwilber1628]

Your title implies that you either agree or you're wrong. Somewhat elitist way of thinking IMO. There are plenty of criticisms of determinism that make valid points. I'll leave that google to you.

[@stitchtui3619]

could you name a few. I am struggling with the concept of determinism. Made my anxiety worse

[@oisinofthefianna3246]

It's not his fault, his reply was determined.

[@khaledeid260]

"your genetics don't affect your thoughts" Yeah you don't get it 😂