You'll Never Get a Mirrorless D850, Here's Why

[@MatthewCard]

What you not mentioning at all is the D850 is a pro body and Z7II is not a pro body, D850 has pro-style controls which have been on every pro body since Nikon F5 and F100, D2H/D2Hs/D2X and D200, D3/D3s/D3X and D700, D300, D300s, D4/D4s/D800E/D800E, D810, D5/D500/D850, D6, Z9 all the ones I mentioned above had the pro-style build and controls, they are built like a tank, great weather sealing, also D850 is way more responsive, has lighted buttons, and the list goes on which makes it way better than Z7/Z7II. The controls which Z5/Z6/Z6II/Z7 and Z7II are based on date back to the Nkon N80, and then Nikon D100, D7000 series, D600, D750, D780, they are consumer or at most prosumer controls and designed bodies, they are not pro bodies. So yeah people want a half-size pro body like the first ones I listed which are again D200, D300, D300s, D700, D800,D810, D850, as the Z8. So yeah you compared by specs but you left out a lot that set them apart.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for watching Matthew!

[@waynerm002]

It would be cool to see an APSC style pro body on the Z line or they could add the flash sync port in the side port section, like Sony does, making the Z6II the enthusiast camera but I doubt that will happen. The Z8 needs that treatment when it comes out, they could do that on a Z90 though.

[@MatthewCard]

also forgot to mention the 10pin socket and pc sync too

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@MatthewCard does anytime use 10 pin anymore haha. I can’t believe they never innovated those to be better fit.

[@MatthewCard]

@@ZWadePhoto There are still a lot of people that has release cords, and transmitters that are designed for the 10 pin, why do you think they kept it going since the Nikon F4s, because it has been depended upon and used for close to 30 years, and been on every pro body they have had including the Z9.

[@WOLFTICKVIDEOS]

You nailed it at the end. When the D850 came out, it was by far the best dslr camera ever made. When the Z7 and Z7ii came out, it was already behind the competition in many categories. Fun episode 👍👍

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks wolftick! Exactly how I crafted the format. I ask folks to stay because I really believe it’s a philosophical subject. You can never give up how it made you feel.

[@arunphillips6977]

The D850 is still the best DSLR ever made (June 2024), and likely always will be, forever!

[@freetibet1000]

If you only care about spec-sheets, yes. But not if you consider a lot of different real-life use cases.

[@zhonjohansen3953]

I replaced my D850 with a Z7ii and was immediately frustrated. I couldn’t focus in low light, my friend’s Cannon and my Fujifilm were doing a better job. I have had the Z7ii now for 6 months and I still miss more shots than with my D850.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for watching Zhon

[@PedroLauridsenRibeiro]

I got my D850 about a year and half ago, after a year being torn apart between it and the Z7 II. Never regretted the decision, love the camera and probably will never sell it, but I'll be blunt: it both cameras were at the same price here in Brazil at the time, I'd have gone with the Z7 II, mainly due to IBIS and access to Z glass - the two things I miss the most. However, for some strange reason, the Z7 II was (and still is) 50% more expensive here than the D850. That was a deal breaker to me... Hell, even the Z6 II was about the same price at the time than the D850. It got cheaper now, but not by much. Now, if you ask me if I were to upgrade my D850 to a Z8, my answer would be no. I'd rather get a Expeed 7-equipped Z6 III for better AF and low-light performance, and keep the D850.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Well fortunately the D850 will last so long that by the time it breaks, there won’t be any dispute! Nikon will have fully developed into the world of mirrorless haha. Give it 500,000 shutter actuations at least 🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@PedroLauridsenRibeiro]

@@ZWadePhoto that's yet another reason (among many) why the D850 is a keeper for me. I loathe the idea of programmed obsolescence, and at my use rate the D850 should last me a good few decades. I should be able to fully master it by then... 😝 But seriously, the D850 is like a great but tough teacher: it'll show you with no mercy any flaws in your shooting technique and your lenses, but if you get to use it right and pair it with top-notch glass, man... the results speak for themselves. That's why I prioritize prime lenses like the 105mm f/1.4E and the 28mm f/1.4E - also considering that no such lenses are on the Z roadmap yet, so they're also great long-time investments together with the FTZ adapter.

[@marleenvandam6931]

Mirrorless has the big advantage as showing the what you see is what you get.While having the Z9 , and the D 850 is still better than Z8 in AF for subjects against contrasty background

[@ZWadePhoto]

Nikon just updated the Z9 for detection in low contrast so I think they figured that out. I’m sure it’ll be standard now. Thanks for watching Marleen!! Hope to see you more around the channel

[@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020]

but no one knows yet the final specs of the Z8 or how it will perform in the real world

[@pjc3163]

I own both a Z5 & a D700. The Z5 takes awesome pics but for example I just hate the fact that you have to dive into a menu just to activate the self timer. The D700 like its younger sibling is a pro camera with more physical buttons, the Zed series cameras (excluding the Z9) are just cheap.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for commenting my friend!

[@csc-photo]

My Z6II has taken a beating and it laughs at anything I put it through - no, the Z bodies are not cheap 🤷🏻‍♂

I've sold my D850 just for Z7, after that I feel like it sparked a new joy for photography. I have much smaller and better lens, stabilised primes thanks to IBIS and eye AF. I now don't have to think that much what gear I take because I can take all of it and it is much lighter.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Heck yea partner. Glad to see it

[@freetibet1000]

I’m that type of guy that still exists “at that time” I guess. I also cannot get why a smaller form factor is better? What I really envy with the Z system is the mount and the new line-up of excellent lenses! I only care for image quality and the quality of the optics is no 1 in that category since Nikon haven’t made any progress with their sensors in regards to dynamic range and resolution since the launch of the D850. Maybe a forthcoming Z7 III will change that? If that happens I will get one and hurry to slap a battery grip on it to mitigate the toy-factor (Sony virus).

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@freetibet1000 same. I don’t care about size and weight I just want the best optical quality.

[@freetibet1000]

@@ZWadePhoto 👍😄

[@QLFProductions]

I still shoot with the D850 and I know with mirrorless tech I can just point and shoot. With my D850 I have to put the box on the eye but it's something about the D850. When I put it in my hands it feels right and I've gotten so good with it. You didn't give it a point for build quality but it's the build quality and performance combination is why we think the D850 is legendary.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for watching QLF

[@JRodPhotoArt]

Almost did not recognize you with the shorter beard!! Very cool Zach. What about weather sealing and durability?

[@ZWadePhoto]

It was an accident lmfao

[@adrianvanleeuwen]

Maybe some people want an update to D850 for video, but instead I have the D780 which has the Z6 sensor inside for all its video features, except does not have IBIS, just digital stabilization. I am very happy with this camera especially the photos, however my Z5 with IBIS provides smoother handheld video. D780 is great for video clips, and on tripod video providing very pro video for my product videos. A lighter mirrorless camera like Z5 is always a good thing for handheld video or on rigs, as I would find D780 bulky for handheld but okay for tripod video. Thanks for review.

[@ZWadePhoto]

That sensor, is really damn good

[@realnikonlover6207]

Great review Z! Nikon is between a rock and hard place with the coming Z8. Faith in their product but they are facing challenges. New cameras just make you feel good! Kind of like your video streams. Touche!

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for watching my friend! I agree. Nikon playing it so close to the chest is doing a great job of building anticipation, but the side effect is rumors and expectations. The longer you go without a leak, the more people will be disappointed with rumored specs not being fulfilled lol

[@Audimann]

This makes me wanna buy another D850😂

[@ZWadePhoto]

Haha chase that feeling Audi!

[@Audimann]

@@ZWadePhoto yeah but second hand prices are to high at the moment. 2000-2500 bucks or so. New it costs 3300. No way!!! Let's wait a few years. The D810 for instance is now available for like 1000-1200 bucks with very decent shutter counts. Let's see what happens.

[@knoxyish]

this dident but owning a z6 did!!

[@KibbitUpIt]

Love your new setup!

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks my friend!

[@lour7753]

Sold my D850. Loved it but my Z9 is just so much better. Kept the D4S as a backup. Will get a Z8 or Z6iii as a backup in the near future.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Nice Lou! D4s is a legend :)

[@mostirreverent]

Which is better for tracking moving insects like these? By the way the 850 should get more points for being bigger and heavier unless you have lady hands

[@ZWadePhoto]

I don’t care about size and weight, but considering smaller and lighter are the words of the decade, what can you do 🤷‍♂️ my fav set up right now is Z9 and 85 1.2, that’s a f**k size and weight set up lol As far as your first question, couldn’t tell ya, I don’t have either anymore to test them. But the Z8 and 9 recognize insect eyeballs which is wild

[@dmootzphotography]

Excellent video!

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks DMootz!

[@Flat4fun]

Oh I think it just came out!!!! Z8!

[@ZWadePhoto]

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[@ivorj4715]

Great video but (is it me ?) that fold in your jacket is very distracting.

[@ZWadePhoto]

You’re definitely the only one who felt it worth mentioning lol so, it’s you! Ha ha. Thanks for watching

[@mainmain5303]

Unsubscribed

[@ZWadePhoto]

Bye! I appreciate the time you’ve spent here so far. cheers

[@mainmain5303]

@@ZWadePhoto Don’t be sentimental.

[@mainmain5303]

@@ZWadePhoto Resubscribed. It felt good to stress you out.

[@carlosenriquez2092]

Excellent presentation, and you are 1000% correct. Having said that as an owner of two D850 and as a non-professional, it will be a long time before I let go of my D850s. I know nikon makes several cameras that out perform the 850. What I have with my cameras is a relationship a feeling and a knowledge that my own skills have not yet surpassed the D850s technical limitations. The D850 was and still is technical masterstroke and an amazing value on the used market. A particularly good choice for someone entering the photography world a very expensive place to be playing in.

[@ZWadePhoto]

My man Carlos thanks for watching! I hope I'll see you around the channel more!

[@paulmitchell1580]

I know Nikon makes several cameras that out perform the 850!! Do they really, or just great marketing to make you part with your money.

[@carlosenriquez2092]

@paulmitchell1580 well I'll be honest I say that to appease the mirorless folks. Me personally I don't care my camera is my therapy its my expression and i am unwilling to swap.

[@RyanTroy]

This video was very well put together.. I love every moment of it and im especially speaking from a creators stand point. your story telling skills were amazing.. i love to see this.. love to see the growth

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks Ryan! It’s easily 4x the effort compared to my older content but I’m liking the results of the effort. And I’m glad people are noticing. 👌👌👌👌👌

[@timhunter157]

you under estimate the power of the dark side, USBC in a pinch being able to charge on the go or charge would shooting or send about is helpful. Good video though, the z series hasn't had the love attachment feels for the most part, hopefully the gen 3s can change that

[@ZWadePhoto]

I will say this, disregarding speed, USB-c is super unsecure lol. USB-A are so snug it's annoying, but you miss the security when a USB-C falls out with a whisper. I don't worry about these things but for some reason this cable connection sprung up a few times in research hahaha. petty and funny. Thanks for watching Tim!

[@artsilva]

After I got the Z5 I went and added the Z7 II ti the kit. I gave it a good chance, returned it and instead purchased a D850, and THAT was when I had my "ahh Yes" moment when I put it in my hands, and I save $800. Specs are only good if you use all of them and as a photographer, the D850 wins hands down because it is a solid, robust camera with well thought out ergos that takes Gorgeous images with all that great F glass. I don't like the fact that all my D lenses are useless (except for manual) on the Z bodies. Specs aren't everything and this only feeds into the unsuspecting consumer with a case of GAS. Yes the Z (S) lenses are amazing but too amazing which can be boring at times. Ill take a great F mount lens over a standard Z lens any day because there is a certain look and character I feel Z has lost due to being too good. In my hands when it counts the Z7 II is no match for my D850.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for commenting Art

[@pjc3163]

Yep, the older D series & manual focus lenses may not have "edge to edge" sharpness but they have character. The same goes with my 15 year old D700; it has only 12 Mpx but it has character, just how many Mpx does one need?

[@knoxyish]

i will second that.

[@mnewm21]

specs are never everything, you need to know how you are going to use your camera and why you want certain features. There hasn't been a "bad" camera made in 10yrs so the only reason camera manufacturers can justify driving people back to the store is specs! I travel...a lot, I hike...a lot, mostly in the middle of nowhere. I own a D850 and it looks like it has been in a washing machine with ball bearings! It is still in perfect condition photographically 🤣 but it looks like it has gone 9 rounds with Mike Tyson and had it's ear bitten off in the last round! I use G and D lenses and you are right the imperfections can be used to creative effect and benefit. Photography is an art not a science and yet everyone gets so caught up in the science of perfection. Guess I'm old fashioned...still it is nice to know that in the future if/when I do need a new camera some great options will be there!

[@marcp.1752]

That was the worst, ever decision by Nikon. Whileas there's the FTZ(II) adapter, it's only good for manual focus. Which sucks. Simply. Sony OTOH, created serveral generations of the A mount to (F)E mount adapter, incl. a motor for the AF, so one could use all the nice Minolta lenses with AF on E mount bodies, with a 300 bucks adapter, roughly. Not so with Nikon. Since i have some AF-D lenses, and keep them (for my analog & digital Nikon (D)SLRs) iam not moving on to Z mount, because of the cost issue - and the gain in IQ isn't enough for myself - i love the lens characteristics, look & feel. So at some point, perhaps when it's getting someday cheap, or never, i'd rather buy a used D780 into mint condition, instead of anything Z mount else. Into the meantime, just being happy shooting my old Nikon AF-S and AF-D lenses via F100, D700...moreover, i do prefer an OVF 100% over any EVF. I get swindel, eyestrain, headaches from using EVFs after some minutes, i do have very delicate eyes, and no matter the resolution nowadays, it's always like that. OVF is being prefered, forever.

[@jtes1442]

The D850 is a great camera, but I appreciate IBIS, AF point coverage to the edges, and never worrying about lens adjustment or calibrations. Still, nothing feels as great as a DSLR in hand.

[@ZWadePhoto]

J Cortes gets it! Haha thanks for watching my friend

[@martinhild]

Well... they are different. D850 is bigger, feels more rugged and better in the hand and moreover the AF is not in love with backgrounds all the time like the Z6-2. Other than that... I love my Z6-2, but I liked my D850 even more. 😅 As for glass: I'd take the ancient f-mount 150mm Sigma all day over the 105 Z Nikkor. They're not even close (to me). Well, I guess I'm a weirdo anyways. 😅

[@ZWadePhoto]

Lenses did used to me more fun when they had quirks. Now they are just so superior there's nothing to experiment with or learn. lol.

[@NikonDave]

A quality DSLR has a Pavlovian reaction for me. Shutter and Mirror flap along with the bigger grip just creates a more visceral experience so I love it still. If I'm being honest, my results from the Z7 II are superior. Yes. I don't think the Z7 was intended as a replacement other than sensor specs/MP. I'm thrilled with the Z9 and have no use for a Z8...but I'm sure my GAS will take over and I'll preorder it day one when/if it is announced.

[@ZWadePhoto]

I’m still mulling over the Z8. I don’t need another 45 mp. But if it’s video is the same as the Z9, I could use it for KZbin FOR SURE. For video and lens comparison since it shares the Z9 sensor. I used to need a lower MP camera for low light, but I’ve yet to see any noise after export with any recent camera lol so 🤷‍♂️ once I see a real Z8, not a mock-up, we just have to see.

[@knoxyish]

hmmm funny that i bought a d850 new in 2017 i bought a z6 sold the d850 and bought a couple of z lenses well over priced by the way then i bought another d850 and sold the z6 with the 2 z lenses old tech?? got to larf out loud at that .its All about the bloke behind the camera some one who knows what they are doing you cannot tell if it was shot on a dslr or a mirrorless. The amount of crap you get on the z6/7 sensor is horrendous during lens changes only the 2 mega expensive z cameras have an answer for it .nah i will stick with my d850!

[@ZWadePhoto]

Stick with what you love

[@DavidVelezPhotography]

Great video. Really appreciate the no nonsense quick bullet points. Short and sweet! Will you be doing a follow up video now that the Z8 is out?

[@ZWadePhoto]

I have a Z8 video out, as far as a follow up. I’m not sure yet. Been working on a big art project for months

[@ChargedPulsar]

2:10 Processor power doesn't mean jack shit, when you have programmers humiliating the programming logic "because they know they have a better processor anyways" and end up having worse performance. This is just a general statement, true for all processor comparisons in any hardware. What I mean is, processor difference by itself is not a topic of comparison. You need to show the difference in doing the "same things" and no, different products will never do the "same" thing, so why bother even thinking about the comparison? Waste of time.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for watching

[@thomaslevine405]

My main peeve is the view finders. I don't want to stare at another screen, I want to see in real time and I stare at a computer screen for hours everyday, I don't want to add to it with the mirrorless. Add to it the battery life and the feel of the D850 camera made me buy the D850 over mirrorless. I don't do video so that didn't matter.

[@ZWadePhoto]

The Z8 and Z9 are about as close to reality as you can get, for Nikon. The others currently, I like them but not even close to reality

[@scotthullinger4684]

I really hate the trend toward mirror cameras in general - They're just fucking annoying to get accustomed to, and quite seriously the lenses available for mirrorless cameras are in short supply, and they really don't have the typical legendary quality of Nikon's countless old DSLR lenses. You can often get a rather old, even ancient but gently used old Nikkor DSLR lens ... and the quality will be 50% better that the currently available lenses for mirrorless. Case in point - - Those two great old de-focus control lenses of Nikon: (Abbreviated DC). The quality is monumentally stellar and ... there is NO real comparison in this day and age, and not in particular because they're DC lenses, but only for the fabulous construction quality like that of an old Sherman Tank.

[@ZWadePhoto]

I see Z glass as the best optically Nikon has ever made, but most of the piece lack anything special beyond sharpness. Only a few piece really stand out as absurdly sharp WITH excellent contrast and character. F mount lens shopping was for sure more fun. Thanks for watching

[@scotthullinger4684]

@@ZWadePhoto - I'm not talking only about optical quality, but all the rest, how the lens is constructed, many of which nowadays are tinker toys. Furthermore, sharpness is not always everything. That's only a single aspect of image quality. Color fringing can be a bit annoying with some lenses. I've had a small smattering of Nikon lenses, and the best are the 105 mm f/2 DC lens, the 150 mm f/2 DC, the 12-24 f/4 mm dx lens, my 17-55 f/2.8 dx, and my good old trusty 50 mm f/1.8. I sadly discovered that my Sigma lenses are garbage. But I still have a few of them just because I still have them. My old 24-120 f/4 Nikon with a variable aperture is a piece of garbage. The absolute cream of the crop turned out to be my 105mm DC f/2 lens. Wow - one hell of a GREAT portrait lens, and a bonus that it's an f/2 lens. The average person probably can't tell the difference EXCEPT for when examining both my best and my worst lenses mentioned up above. I gladly discovered that one of my OLD Nikkor zoom lenses turns out to be a somewhat coveted lens ... the 70-210mm constant f/4 aperture, which is highly sought after in Japan. The only problem? It has old SLOW auto-focusing technology which can even deplete your camera battery much sooner. Oh yes ... and it has a rotating front element, so you need to twist your polarizer into the sweet spot only AFTER you're sure of where you have focused, or just focus manually.

[@knoxyish]

there is that old tech build quality!! the z lenses are not built to last just empty your wallet....

[@kaminobatto]

Spec wise, definitely the Z7II wins on paper. I never owned or tried a D850; however, folks who have and tried to replace it with the Z7II complain that the AF tracking on the D850 is leagues ahead of the Z7II. The only thing I know the Z7II does not do well in is the AF tracking, it is half-baked at best and completely unusable in low light. The other day I I understood from Chuck that people who say they want a D850 replacement are referring to the body size and build quality, in which case I am definitely on that bandwagon because I still don't feel to comfortable with the Z7II's ergos. However, your video brought about a very good argument to wanting a D850 replacement, which is having a KOTH body that rules them all and a jack of all trades. That is not the Z7II as you said, and we do not have that product in the current Z bodies lineup, yet.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for commenting Yamen!

[@adriancozma6102]

Just bumped onto this, and found your video to be one of the most accurate on YT to date. There's plenty photographers that still use the Nikon D500, the Canon 5D Mk1, or some older camera body because they prefer the sensor rendering to other, newer models, which would clearly be outperformed by the newer mirrorless ones on most specs, but not on usability or optical resolution. It does depend on each use case what tool is better, but sometimes there's nothing that beats the flavour a well designed sensor gives, even though the newer generation one might be twice the megapixels and the speed of processing. I just got the D850 this year, although I could've gotten any mirrorless on the market, because there was nothing to beat performance to coin ratio, and be proven as incredible performant at the same time as being backwards compatible with the lenses that I had without further investment. It would've made sense to get the latest and greatest only if photography were my main activity, and I really needed those extra features. But the D850 is also sort of mirrorless in the LV mode, so I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything at all.

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@adriancozma6102 well I’m glad you found the channel! Hope to see you around 🤙🤙🤙🤙

[@travishaws7078]

What about Screw Drive Lenses. As I understand it the F to Z Adapter does not have a Screw Drive. So Screw Drive lenses are Manual Focus Only when using the F to Z Adapter.

[@ZWadePhoto]

That is correct. Although there are rumors of an adapter being made that will focus screw drive lenses. I proposition I’m very much intrigued by

[@photoenduro]

What is sold today? the specifications are sold. And the photo examples are a disaster. Old school people still take amazing photos with DSLR cameras that they can't achieve with all that hi-tech crap, and their battery is low, or their shutter falls apart.

[@ZWadePhoto]

People worry too much o about the paper specs. I like a set up that FEELS good

[@paulconnors2078]

Whoops, Nikon calls their new Z8 the natural successor to the D850. I have a Z9 and an a D850 and see NO NEED WHATSOEVER to buy a Z8.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Right on Paul. You get to save $4k

[@noobyproduction]

Z8 replaces D850. I use them both and prefer the Z8 due to better autofocus features. Everything else is the same

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@noobyproduction 👍

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

The Z7 was expected to be the D850 replacement for 3 main reasons: * Almost identical sensor, the main difference that the Z7 sensor needed the AF pixels. The images generally look identical. * Almost identical menus, the Z7 adding some items for mirrorless features. * Almost identical price, the D850 was $3500 when the Z7 was released at $3400 [USD]. The reasons why the Z7 fell short of being a D850 replacement: * One card slot, corrected in the Z7II. * No vertical grip option, corrected in the Z7II. * No Multi-CAM 20K AF module, hopefully resolved with the Expeed7 processor in the Z7III. * No button/dial combo on the top left plate, found in the D850/D810/D800/D700/.../N8008. Hopefully returning in the Z7III. * No illuminated buttons, hopefully added in the Z7III. That's basically it. Everything else is whining...

[@ZWadePhoto]

Everyone is super fussy these days hahaha. Thanks for commenting my friend hope to see you more around the channel

[@freetibet1000]

You forgot one thing; the feel of a real DSLR in you hand! The sight through a real OVF for you eye. Unbeatable!

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@freetibet1000 Yes, I stayed with the D850 for quite a while for that reason.

[@freetibet1000]

@@UnconventionalReasoning👍😀

[@MrDucatiPenigaleV4s]

I have a Z9 No need for anything else.

[@ZWadePhoto]

That's where I am for the most part. As a content creator I could always use a better camera for "Camera 2 or 3" specifically for video, but for Photography alone I literally have not seen any limitation with my Z9 yet. Thanks for watching Dave!

[@travishaws7078]

You can shoot with longer then 30 Seconds on the D850. The D850 Points should be reevaluated.

[@ZWadePhoto]

We talking buffer? Because D850 got a point for its better buffer.

[@marcp.1752]

Well, your video was one year ago. Nowadays, we do have the Z8, which is a baby Z9. The D850 is of course, the best DSLR ever being made by Nikon. I don't buy any of these, out of my budget, and i am already settled with older FF gear, from CaNikon and Sony. :) Think 5D, 5D II, D700, A7, A7S II. Shooting Nikon since the FM, over the F90x, F80, F100, then moved to the D700, back into the heyday. Also owned a few DX Nikons before, the D70s, D40, D80, D90 & D7000. Nowadays, the Z mount (semi)Pro alternative to the D850 is simply the Z8 Nikon.

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@marcp.1752 maybe in performance, but the video tricks you into thinking it’s about performance. It actually about the FEELING the Nikon D850 gave its owners, and not many cameras are making people feel that way anymore. You’ll have new ones, but not the same one 🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@marcp.1752]

@@ZWadePhoto Guess hard, why i do love my old gear! :) I don't buy FF bodies for serveral K, never. And i enjoy my old gear. Also prefer simplicity - i hate to dive into a 965 Options menu system, with each line 23 submenus - go figure. :) But i am fine, settled perfectly with 12/13 MP, max. 24 MP. I never need anything more - i don't print out street ads. 🙂 And i've made 120x80cm on Canvas, with just 12/13 up to 24 MP, looking great. As present for friends.

[@DexterLaurence]

So this video made me a subscriber.

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@DexterLaurence welcome aboard!

[@camcappe353]

Then why is the d850 more expensive used than the z7?

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@camcappe353 this video is Z7ii, but The very end explains it pretty well. The emotional attachment to the D850. The hype is still there because it’s still the best DSLR Nikon ever made, for the most part. To your question, the Z7 is version one so of course it’s cheaper. Z7ii is closer to price of D850. Within a couple hundred bucks. Z7 wasn’t even close to good enough to flip 850 user to 100% satisfaction.

[@KevinNordstrom]

Bro you crushed it lmao. Well done Z.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks Kevin! I'm glad you're liking the new style of videos! I think the extra effort it takes to make them continues to please! Thanks for watching!

[@KevinNordstrom]

@@ZWadePhoto it defiantly is more work. But you seem to have alot of fun and thats what matters. keep it up bro.

[@apstudios01]

Brilliant Zack!

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thank You Chuck! I think I have successfully expressed the Spec and Philosophical nature of this crazy divide haha.

[@TonyHobbs]

Isn't z8 more a d850 replacement

[@ZWadePhoto]

The point of the video my friend, is not about the gear that replaces something else, but rather. no one will ever get a replacement for the FEELING they had when a tool connected with them.

[@TonyHobbs]

@ZWadePhoto absolutely. Good point tbh. I love my d4 but it's so old now but still a beauty

[@Marko-od7eb]

Just the fact that youtubers to this day compare D850 camera which was made 6-7 years ago with top notch new mirrorless cameras shows how awsome D850 really is. Go with D850 and save yourself tons of money. Bought one last year and have no intention of being sheep buying mirrorless gimmicks.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Well, lets not call people sheep for seeking out newer technology. Rather, if someone prefers fun all around (lens shopping, shooting etc) get the D850. If you're brand new to photography or considering this as a career, consider mirrorless because parts availability will probably be better, lenses are generally getting better moving forward, and effort to income ratio is very good with mirrorless since it does half the work for you.

[@Marko-od7eb]

​@@ZWadePhoto Thank you for your reply. ​No, Im not new in photography, I make my living of it. I have nothing against people who love the new technology, but let's face it, the market is over-saturated with mirrorless cameras and useless gimmicks. I've seen too many youtubers with affiliate links misleading people they will develop some special skill if they just buy the next Z7II, and if they just add extra cash for that Z9 their skills will be over the top. Truth is 90% of new featuers these new cameras have you don't need. Sure fast auto-tracking is good but how many people will shoot video of F1 cars racing down the track ? Are the new mirrorless lenses better - yes they are. Are mirrorless lenses x2.5 better ? Not a chance in hell ! So why would anyone with right brain buy x2.5 - x3 more expensive lenses along with camera body that is x2-x3 price of D850 for insignificant gains ? For pixel peeping and bragging rights ? And even quality difference is questionable. You put same lens on Z8 and D850 and quality is identical. That's why I used the term "sheep". If you have money to waste, hey knock yourself out and be happy. But 99% of people have to save hard earned money for overpriced cameras with zero difference in image quality output, and if you tell them they will become better photographers because new lenses " does half work for them" you are misleading them.

[@nickreid5939]

A mirrorless D810......that is a better wish😊

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@nickreid5939 I suppose by now the feeling isn’t matched, but the performance of the Z8 for the MOST part had every happy haha

[@biglebowski3486]

Great review of two beasts

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks my friend! And thanks for watching. Hope to see you more around the channel

[@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO]

Turns out you were WRONG 😂

[@ZWadePhoto]

Noooo. The point still stands. Because it’s the feeling the D850 gave people. Not the specs. And really DSLR and mirrorless are just too different so I’ve got it on a technicality haha

[@Jessehermansonphotography]

Z8 is the replacement.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Mechanically, people been chasing that feeling. My Z9 is that feeling

[@TonyHobbs]

That is interesting re video I just shot a video on 850 and pretty much an hour to 70 minutes it died on old original Enel 15 battery I wondered if newer 15a or even 15c battery would give more? 105 minutes on z7 is good then! Z8 similar to z7 video battery life?

[@ZWadePhoto]

For sure the a newer batter will last longer. But video does also devour battery life. haha. For most of the unsatisfied people, even an hour is a long video. hahaha. Thanks for watching Tony!

[@TonyHobbs]

@ZWadePhoto pleasure it was interesting Yeah I waffle so an hour not long lol

[@shang-hsienyang1284]

I love built in flash, especially the ones in the a6000 which can point upwards. With my D7000 or D750, I need a mirror to reflect it.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Right on buddy. I hate them lol but to each their own 🤌🤌🤌

[@aznycts]

Do i care what youtubers are talking about Gear. The answer is No i don't give a Sh....t 😂 iv been a photographer for over 54 years . . Im not going to listen to someone who got 3 photographs in his website . . 😂

[@ZWadePhoto]

A fine troll you are 1. The reason I stopped uploading is because no one cares about photography, they only care about gear. 2. On my website? The FOUR images, not 3, are thumbnails for the category noted, inside are up to 15 images or so per category. You have to click on them you fucking idiot. lol aren’t old people supposed to be wise? Trolls get no mercy here boomer

[@EddieSlabb]

Old man loves smell of own farts! Film @ 11.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Nobody think f de specks make the D850 today. What people want is : a mis size camera worth state if the art image quality (audio and video ) , AF , storage , weather and dust prodding and extremely dependable and top notch ergonomics at a razonable price. That is the D850. Today Nikon don’t have anything even close. Today mirrorless Nikons for example freeze more that’s the NIKON D80 ever did. The z7 II AF is 3 generations old etc.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for watching Jamie

[@markcieslikowski2284]

I take both cameras on jobs... not as a backup so much , but I MUST switch cameras in low light.... NO comparison. ....Event Photographer.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Right on buddy

[@dionysusrex9183]

This didn’t really last the test of time.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Sure it does. The moral of the story in this video is the FEELING you get from a camera, not the specs within. No camera will ever feel the same as another when you’re kind is further blown

[@dionysusrex9183]

@@ZWadePhoto two things: you compared the Z7 and the D850 spec sheets but failed to mention two critical things - EVF refresh rate and perhaps the other thing that’s never on the spec sheet which is AF usability. Your points comparison is not weighted correctly as a result. I agree that the Z7 is better than a D850 at a lot of things, but for anyone shooting fast moving objects, absolutely useless. Secondly, I’d argue that we do now have a bona fide D850 moment in the Z8, both in feeling and specification.

[@ZWadePhoto]

I think you missed the plot Dionysus Rex. lol. The whole point is paper vs user experience. I set up a head-to-head just to tell you that none of it matters if you're in love with one and not the other. And maybe the Z8 will be that moment for many people, without preorders being fulfilled yet we will see if reaches the legendary status and cult die hard following of the D850. But also, Maybe the Z6 was this moment to others. The D610 was the first camera I poured my love into and it hardly compares to the D850 on paper. That is the point my guy, as I drift my channel further and further away from nerd diving into real in the field shooting.

[@waynerm002]

Great stuff Zach! That was a great video, I really like it. Great job on this one!

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks Wayne! Glad you’re liking the new style

[@csc-photo]

Very fair comparison of these great bodies. I don't understand the mindset of expecting DSLR "replacement" models, when mirrorless models clearly offer so much functionality and versatility. As amazing as the D850 was (and still is), I'll absolutely take the Z6/7 II all day in any situation. Obviously no right / wrong here, all subjective.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for commenting Craig !

[@mauromartinoli7582]

Well, I guess it is time for you to do a comparison between a D850 and the Z8!

[@ZWadePhoto]

People will get so mad when I do lmao

[@chosenbydesign9007]

Love the intro dialog...lol very entertaining... a really good perspective...

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks Chosen! And thanks for watching

[@14djfunk]

Great video @ZWade Photo! I think you nailed the analysis and context you put into this comparison 👏

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks DJ. And thanks for Watching!

[@AshBashSneakers]

This video was incredible

[@ZWadePhoto]

Wow! Thank you my man! Hope to see you more around the channel!

[@caimac]

La has vendido muy bien amigo, gracias por compartir Saludos.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Gracias por ver el video

[@JiiV3e]

2:45 Fucking thank you for saying it out loud!

[@ZWadePhoto]

LMAO! My pleasure. I'm already making a few people REAL unhappy. haha.

[@vic_the_roman]

You forgot to drop the mic.👏👏👏

[@ZWadePhoto]

👋🎤

[@ruiinned9098]

You had me at "Pixel Peeping"

[@ZWadePhoto]

haha. I'm a notorious pixel peeper who understands how ridiculous I really am for pixel peeping. I'm a self aware Pixel peeper hahaha.

[@duncanmacleod8066]

Yes

[@ZWadePhoto]

🤘

[@BARSSTUDIO]

Great Video!

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks my friend! Hope to see you more around the channel!

[@bhushugamer1988]

Nikon z6ii vs Nikon D780

[@ZWadePhoto]

🤔🤔🤔 we’ll see. Maybe I’ll make that

[@bhushugamer1988]

@@ZWadePhoto comparison Nikon z6ii vs Nikon D780 which is better than buying wedding shoot in villages

[@tobiesther4063]

Nikon z6ii is far better. Go for z6ii

[@johncooper9746]

how well did this age?

[@ZWadePhoto]

It still holds. Because the end point is that it isn’t about a label or spec, but about the feeling a camera gave the masses

[@johncooper9746]

@@ZWadePhoto ok fair enough. Ive been waiting for this camera for 5 years as a d850 replacement. Not sure what you were expecting.

[@ZWadePhoto]

@@johncooper9746 the D850 will always have a cult, at the end of the day Mirrorless will never be D850 the shooting experience is just different 🫡

[@roybixby6135]

The Z9 is my replacement for the D850. I sold my Z7ii but kept a D850. For me most of the points you mention dont matter. I only used the Z7ii with a grip making it even more bulky. I dont often use it but D850 AF is way better but video is the big MILC advantage. What matters most to me is that the D850 is much better built and has the 10 pin connector and illuminated buttons for a dark studio ... 🦘

[@MatthewCard]

see ZWade Photo, Roy is the 2nd person on here to mention the 10pin connection.

[@ZWadePhoto]

Thanks for checking out the video Roy

[@roybixby6135]

​@@ZWadePhoto Always value your opinion on stuff ... 🦘

[@xray111xxx]

Expectations, and actual need cases, and system currently owned. How much or less you need mirrorless if at all. I think the D850 is awesome. I am in the camp more likely than not that way vs. a Z7 or Z6. Much more mature and large selection of lenses of the F Nikkor vs. the Z mount. Costs. A used 850 is still less than a Z camera. Not by a ton, but the savings could be applied to the glass which more important anyway. You aren't going to be in bad shape if you go either way. KZbin hype and BS being what it is. Get what fits you, and stop buying what they tell you to buy.

[@ZWadePhoto]

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