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00:00:00 useEffect() is often used incorrectly!
00:01:58 useEffect() basics
00:03:16 Setting dependencies correctly
00:08:27 Avoid infinite loops
00:09:56 Introduction to the problem of using useEffect() unnecessarily
00:10:20 Example 1: Use derived state instead
00:12:49 Example 2: Reset state with keys instead
00:17:15 Example 3: Don’t wrap synchronous APIs with useEffect()
00:18:32 Sometimes you DO need useEffect()
00:19:32 Consider replacing direct useEffect() usage with specialized libraries

[@christopheradolphe]

Hey Max @academind thanks for this great video again. I already completed your React course a while back and I'm just catching up on the course update announcements. I am mind blown by these new lectures and projects you have added. I am thankful for your relentless efforts of keeping course content up to date and for free. Currently, I am actively job hunting for an opportunity as React developer and those new course projects are a great way to practice and refresh my React knowledge. Thank you

[@EstebanInTech]

Thanks for all the knowledge you share! I’ve learned so much from you for over a year now! 🔥

[@11r3start11]

i found these videos of Maximilian so helpful and easily expained, thanks a lot!

[@shubhankarmaheshwari9428]

You always helped me to learn at least one new item, as you told we always being around key concept , but never though it can be used to mitigate unnecessary use effect for state update 👍

[@the_proletariat]

Thank you for this! That "key" trick was cool!

[@ZawDoesStuffs]

I think I don't get that part. Even if you don't include key there, that component will still re-render if the state was changed, no?

[@jasonfavrod2427]

@@ZawDoesStuffs I believe that is correct. I see how the key could be useful to do what he mentions, but I figure it's redundant in his actual usage.

[@marcpanther8515]

The localStorage example is kind of bad because it causes the localStorage to be accessed on every render. Use the function initializer of useState instead.

[@konradmleczko3810]

thanks for example with key - is amazing!

[@tigranharutyunyan7674]

Thank you for a topic and info.The "key" trick works for Vue too. It is a good reset for "cheap" components.

[@mohammadpanahi9408]

Hello, dear Maximilian This video was suggested to me by KZbin and I watched all the videos. To be honest, I really like you and I missed you a lot and I was very happy to see another great tutorial from you. I hope you will always be successful.

[@abbaskareem5281]

the (key) trick is really useful , thank you

[@user-lc7hl9to8p]

It's a dirty hack, not a good practice. You writting components, which cannot be used without key, and other dev's don't know about this required hack. And this absolutely terrible hack, when your component uses 3 or more props, which u need to hack with key. It's looks fine, but creates problems in future, when your project will grow. In case with a lot watching props, better choice to write useEffects, because any other dev can read and understand how it works, and he don't need to check all usages of this component for understanding.

[@TokyoXtreme]

@@user-lc7hl9to8p Using the key is the correct approach, but it belongs on the textarea element within the component - not on the component itself. It's not a hack either, just a way to bind the identity of the element to the state of the component; the new React official documentation explains it more deeply.

[@abdullahrafique2883]

pretty helpful tutorial. I spent some considerable time to read the official guide but this almost 20 minutes tutorial is lit.

[@pabloide86]

Finally someone with common sense!!! 👏👏👏(btw, that trick with the key to reset the state was cool! thanks!)

[@inthisarhamza7182]

It's very clear and important technique that can used to avoid some delays !

[@equiman]

Hi Max, excellent material, thanks. I would like to know what tool you are using to create those orange squares to highlight something on the screen?

[@StuartLoria]

Best practices is what I need, for typescript, React, etc

[@jubert2096]

Bro your god man;) I used to follow you since you were too much in angular. I subscribed your courses in angular but later I changed to React since I was tired brushing my self with new thing on angular every year and then I again moved to react after that I subscribed your courses in React I feel it’s heaven

[@Michaeljamieson10]

definitely need more videos on how react keys work! awesome video

[@dmons24]

Very elegant design and great job!

[@raphauy]

Helpful, thank you!

[@filipjnc]

12:24 that value computation runs on every render and it would get your app slow if that array is big enough. In that case wrap it in useMemo or wait for the new React compiler to ship.

[@ant_code]

For this specific case this is ok as component has only one prop. But yes, you are right. If in future some developer will add additional prop beside selectedTopicId, this dummy_topics.find will be invoked on each render. And in this case definitely const selectedTopic should be wrapped with useMemo. Good catch 👍

[@mansurhamidoff1853]

Yes, this guy has a good knowledge of technology but in this video he propagates bad habits)) He tries to save devs from making mistakes offering even more dangerous tricks. Although in this case his solution is good but abuse of this method can lead to performance issues

[@jomoc6112]

commended!! i already knew about keys but cant find a way to use it. additionally it scope base, so it will not work outside the div if the child has a key too.

[@mjaso]

Great video. Spot on guidance IMO.

[@iranRevolution7]

thanks for teaching us 😍

[@petarkolev6928]

High quality content as always!

[@MrOpolo91]

very helpful ! thanks Max :)

[@pp-studio]

Thank you for your great content :)

[@bibhuprasadsahoo854]

5 star instructor for a reason 💌

[@BilalAulakh23]

Weldone young man❤❤❤

[@MohabAyman]

Tlr, use key prop to force refresh on a comp ones

[@irfanali17899]

Thanks I think the useMemo should have been wrapped on topics finding if i am not wrong?

[@soumikmahajan6317]

any update for you new angular 17 course?

[@code75581]

thanks a lot for the explanation. Please one question. @academind How do you manage to go so deeper in different subjects ? I mean diferrents you teach about like react, angular , docker , kubernetes etc...

[@jahongirbektemirov6516]

Useful! Keep going with it

[@Shuja709]

17:15 the useState hook can alternatively take an initializer function, so you can also use that initializer function to get the required value from local storage. I believe its a bit cleaner this way because the logic of initializing the state stays coupled with the hook instead of lying somewhere else in the component.

[@chelseaGPT]

I want to ask a very basic question does initial values in usestate get computed when the component refreshes?

[@Shuja709]

@@chelseaGPT nope. As the name suggest, these are just initial values, so they're only calculated/set when the component first mounts. On subsequent re-renders, these values don't have any effect.

[@Luis-fh8cv]

This is super critical. In his example the component was super simple and wouldn’t be rerendered many times. But if it had more state or props it would be getting from local storage multiple times for no reason

[@Shuja709]

@@Luis-fh8cv very fair point indeed.

[@TokyoXtreme]

useEffect is the correct way to initialize a component's initial state with localStorage, since localStorage is an outside system, regardless of it being synchronous.

[@ademineshat]

Very helpful. Thanks

[@CleverGeneration]

The explanation on using a "key" is really nice, thanks for that!! Now I want to refactor all my useEffects. I'm curious to know if there's any difference between using a key or a useEffect in that case other than a key being a "neater" option?

[@stefantholet4036]

Well, if you use a non-state value as a key then you can avoid re-render of the parent component and isolate the re-render to its child component which could greatly improve performance as it will not unnecessarily re-render the parent component and all of its child components.

[@maheshkanojiya4858]

Maximilian's udemy courses are also superb to watch, great guy Love from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@opencode1]

Finally you are out of Udemy and here on youtube. You the best

[@eavs772]

One thing I don't understand is why do you need to send the key? Your component will re-render again if any of your props change, so your computed value will be evaluated again anyways...

[@nanonkay5669]

Use useEffect if you need to do an operation that is not part of your React application, like a db call or data fetching, that's the best use case and they're both asynchronous

[@TokyoXtreme]

Should also use useEffect even for synchronous external APIs (like localStorage), since setting initial state directly through an external system makes the component impure.

[@danielmaldonado5954]

I can't undestand why you only have 3K of likes, thank you Max!

[@CodeZakk]

the last example you gave us still give error in nextjs because if you use localStorage inside the 'use client' it says localStorage is not defined so in nextjs you should use useEffect in that case I think. thank very helpful!!

[@TokyoXtreme]

localStorage should be initialized through useEffect, otherwise the component becomes impure

[@TheSergy12]

JUST USE IT! haha Loved the video

[@akvirus2]

localStorage is available only in the browser. so in useEffect was correct if you use something like next js, ...with server components

[@TokyoXtreme]

Furthermore, setting initial state in useState with an external API call makes the component impure. Calling a functional component with the same props should always return the same JSX.

[@birukgetachew9084]

thanks

[@cintron3d]

Thank you! It does feel like a religious movement and it's weird. I get people like ready query etc... but real world code still has use cases for use effect.

[@cusematt23]

I am glad brad traversy said it and i know longer have to question my sanity. React really does overcomplicate stuff.

[@cant_sleeeep]

future is vue

[@jaymartinez311]

I’m waiting on that qwik framework course. Give it a shot. You’ve done almost all the frameworks already 😂

[@yoshiokiyamu8552]

Maximilian please also teach us examples of How to apply react using any AI api service like open ai or whatever

[@medeuamangeldi6279]

you need useEffect for localStorage if it is a NextJS project (SSR)

[@user-vw5fm9lv9v]

Hey Max, I really appreciate your unique training strategies, I have studied a lot of courses with you and you are my number one teacher... By the way, In my opinion, we can use "useMemo" hook in the second sample (14:04) to set the "selectedTopic" value to prevent extra memory address definition in every render. Am I wrong?

[@xxxxxx89xxxx30]

Thanks Max! Thanks for all the money i made watching your tutorials as well xD

[@egorovsa]

I thought I knew all about key prop.. this is a new feature for me)))

[@eleven2435]

Hey cool video! So recreating/"remounting" the component with a key is better then using useEffect? Won't it affect performance on a large component tree? If the component with a key recreation approach has a child component with its own state management, would not that state reset?

[@mansurhamidoff1853]

You are right

[@TokyoXtreme]

The new React documentation explains it better. The key is used for DOM element identity, and in the example, the text field needed to be cleared, which is not the default React behavior. So adding the key couples the DOM element to the state, which forces the element to be repainted when state changes. The documentation example is almost exactly the same situation as shown in the video here.

[@chandrasekharrachapudi5758]

Hi Sir, Can you please do a full course for Jest no one has done a proper course for that with in-depth knowledge. Struggling in realtime projects like anything 😢

[@saikrishna4661]

PLease update the angular course max, pleaaaaaaaaase

[@user-mb9pu4pg4r]

Will the key trick result in DOM updates?

[@bhrajgopal]

Hi Max , Can I reset the react context inside useEffect ? Can I reset the state of component in that way ?

[@stefantholet4036]

You absolutely can. Unless the state / context that you are changing is added in the dependency array of the useEffect.

[@thestreamer1481]

please any ETA for Angular 17 course ?

[@mohammadkhayata2042]

You are amzaing 💙💙

[@onlineaid]

Great one useQuery is better the useEffect 😊

[@johnconnor9787]

6:55 ok, but what should we do if we use object or a function? In this case the meaning of a dependency array disapears

[@TokyoXtreme]

You should memoize an object if you want to add it to a dependency array, although it could define the function within useEffect itself (or use useCallback to memoize it outside).

[@Gaijin101]

please make a video about Nitro

[@borisbarzotto5785]

gold

[@biomatrix8154]

IDC. I want my Angular course! 😭

[@code75581]

Having a question here(kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGLJaYCFhs57iNk). You put the line(23) where you initialize the selected value before the line(24) where you initialize the enteredNote. In the react documentation it's mentionned that the hooks must comme first at the top of the function before other lines. What do you think about ?

[@ferdossi]

I don't get it, a component re-renders whenever one of its prop changes, I don't see the use of key, what is the added value ?

[@shehrozmalik773]

The component re-renders whenever a prop changes (a re-render doesn't reset a state to initial value), A component re-mounts when the key changes hence resetting the state. hopes that clears it.

[@kunalawasthi9337]

Didn't know Seth Rogen knew ReactJS.

[@tomekbednarek2672]

The trick with the key is a stretch in my opinion. This approach puts the responsibility of "resetting" the component on the parent by providing the key attribute which is not required by the props. Don't you think this is a risky practice?

[@rafarkstudio]

I’m more worried about performance, the entire component will probably have to be mounted every time the key changes

[@TokyoXtreme]

@@rafarkstudioYeah, the correct way to use the key is to go into the TopicEditor component and add the key to the textarea element. The prop is already being passed, so it'll be accessible when providing the key. The new React documentation shows the usage more clearly and with a detailed explanation.

[@VidmantasB]

I am suprised that I already knew all the stuff.. I guess I am not a junior react developer anymore 😅

[@ngocngan4422]

It's only the trick. It make remount component instead rerender component

[@user-cs2py4wg3p]

15:14 but the id is already a props, why would i need to put it in the key props ?

[@shehrozmalik773]

The component re-renders whenever a prop changes (a re-render doesn't reset a state to initial value), A component re-mounts when the key changes hence resetting the state. hope that clears it.

[@user-cs2py4wg3p]

@@shehrozmalik773 Thanks. I didn't know that.

[@LarsRyeJeppesen]

Still use React?

[@arian5126]

I still don't understand why he used a key. Isn't it that every time a prop changes, the component re-renders. So why use a key?

[@Zaheer__zk40]

using keys is essential for efficient list rendering, especially when dealing with dynamic lists where items can be added, removed, or rearranged. While it's true that React re-renders components when their props or state change, using keys helps React identify which items have changed, been added, or been removed within a list.

[@arian5126]

@@Zaheer__zk40 Thanks but it was just a generic description. Still don't answer my question.

[@filipjnc]

@@arian5126his example sucked. Same key was passed as prop, so the key was redundant.

[@gerkim3046]

dont use AI to generate responses@@Zaheer__zk40

[@mansurhamidoff1853]

when the key prop is changed react accepts as a new component appeared in virtual dom like it was not there before. So in other words it causes 'componentDidMount' not 'componentDidUpdate'

[@amivag77]

You missed one major issue with useEffect... adding dependencies of objects and arrays.

[@saurabhnegi3932]

"Hey Maximilian , did you know that you are improving and enhancing people's knowledge by providing these types of videos?" 🥰

[@justinpearson25647]

Really? I think that he doesn't know that, and actually he's doing the videos for his nanny to watch

[@avwie132]

Why in quotes? Are you AI?

[@saurabhnegi3932]

No I'm not a AI.. , It is a Way of Writting Something and try to get Attention of SomeOne...

[@lronmate]

@@saurabhnegi3932but why quotes

[@avwie132]

@@saurabhnegi3932 That's exactly what an AI would say though....

[@disinfect777]

therefore

[@xhbr93]

2018 : Still using class components and lifecycle methods ? (functional components + hooks ftw) 2024 : Still using useEffect() ??? 2028 : ???

[@juma2808]

This is the problem with our industry. You’ll get people that see this as a bad practice, no matter the logic because they read it somewhere. We have too many people on auto pilot, rather than actually thinking critically. AI is going to make this worse, people will not understand what they are actually doing, they will shortcut every step of the way, but act like experts as they go.

[@dufifa]

Why useEffect on componentDidMount is worse then getting localStorage on every render? and why is even an extra effect bad? No much perfomance loses. Using keys is not good idea too because you move out critical logic out of component, better to incapsulate it inside and do clear state obviously. This is what any UI component actually DO>

[@filipjnc]

Don’t get it either how getting state from localStorage on every render is better than doing it only once on mount.

[@TokyoXtreme]

useEffect is absolutely the right way to sync with localStorage, otherwise the component becomes impure. And the identity key should've been placed within the TopicEditor, on the textarea element.

[@OleksandrIsaryk]

As you say master =)

[@sebastianestrada1311]

Clickbait, useEffect is necessary 🤦🏻

[@ChristianKolbow]

🤔 He never claimed that it is not necessary. But there are many situations where useEffect is not necessary.

[@souvikghosh6025]

Thanks for saving time

[@DevastaingDj]

Thanks

[@rahmatullahmohammadi4918]

Thank you so much, it was very helpful❤❤❤

[@jasusyb2734]

that is what the title tells, that is what click bait means.​@@ChristianKolbow

[@imdtap1448]

Still using react??

[@nevermindmepls6773]

could u tell me better alternative? starter at front, so wanna know smth better than react

[@supernova82]

​@@nevermindmepls6773 If you wanna get a job, learn React or Angular. The other frameworks might be better for some situations but you don't have to worry about them when you are learning.

[@saurabhnegi3932]

React + TypeScript

[@pabloduran3257]

@@nevermindmepls6773 React is at this moment the most requested and popular library by companies, so if you learn react you will find jobs. Now if you want to learn something diferent, there is libraries like Solidjs that works better than Reactjs and is kind of the same logic, also vuejs, sveltejs, but these aren't as popular and demand as React.

[@blacklotus1606]

@@nevermindmepls6773 if you want to build the most complicated UIs easily, react is the best options. own experience

[@xxXAsuraXxx]

You might not need React

[@dheerajsinghnagdali]

TIP: Avoid using useEffect as much as you can

[@TokyoXtreme]

useEffect is for syncing the component with an outside system - even synchronous APIs like localStorage

[@enlightened3945]

I just came accross the key update based solution 3/4 days ago to clear Material UI Autocomplete. Applied that and commented separately in the code as I thought it was a nasty/weird hack. Now here I am, learning it as a best practice. 😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉

[@mansurhamidoff1853]

Still using React? You might not need React))

[@alexandergeorgesquire220]

😂

[@destinygames3449]

My opinion about react is, this library does many things in hook way, and react way. It is not like programming way. It is not understandable in programming way. Need to learn custom syntax that not make sense in programming way. Instead of understanding, I need to memorise how this hook work. And there is unnecessary hook and unnecessary step and unnecessary package like react-hook-form .

[@atroutopia427]

basically you can write javascript in js/ts files, then add them to standard react mechanism, which is made to make your and your colleagues life easier when contributing to one project.

[@DhartiMainAkash]

Honestly I didn't find any thing new in this video. This is the very basic things. What's new?

[@ozgurNY]

React to the Hell. Alternative FE frameworks to the future/heaven

[@MrLuckfinder]

Does this really need to be explained?🙄

[@ChristianKolbow]

Yes, because this video is seen by people who want to learn.

[@MrLuckfinder]

@@ChristianKolbow I mean this is the basics, but the video title announces something really new.

[@ChristianKolbow]

@@MrLuckfinder I think you will hardly find anything on KZbin that will surprise you as an experienced developer. Most of the content is aimed at beginners. But you are right, this is the basics.

[@thestreamer1481]

please any ETA for Angular 17 course ?