YOU Season 3 is a Never Ending Disaster | Explained

[@AmandaTheJedi]

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[@milktea6676]

I don’t wish for a stalker boyfriend but it sure is fun watching someone else have one

[@trinaq]

Thanks for your review, always great to see your take on things, Amanda!

[@aliciabell6688]

Glad you're doing better kid. Keep resting and staying connected to your family.

[@madeleine7308]

Nah i'm good

[@jpz2009]

Wait, how did you know about my mur-- IIIII mean, wow thank you!!!! Can't wait to start using this incredible website!!! 😄😄

[@3DCDani]

my favorite part of the season is joe finally realizing that his black stalking hat doesn't automatically make him invisible

[@taowielynne5019]

😃😂💀

[@basiatomaszewska9269]

He would've benefited from a mask (since they already mentioned the pandemic)

[@billyalarie929]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭

[@billyalarie929]

@@basiatomaszewska9269 so would everyone else. Like, there’s being a stalker/murderer, and then there’s just being a douche.

[@ernesto.carloz]

@@basiatomaszewska9269 joe wearing mask= no facial expressions= no show

[@ryanratchford2530]

I think it’s great that Joe is horrified at Love’s murderous tendencies and completely refuses to think he is like Love.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

oh yeah I actually enjoy that too - that tracks with him thinking that there's nothing 'wrong' with him

[@trinaq]

Indeed, there's something darkly hilarious about the charming serial killer being disgusted by ANOTHER serial killer! 😂

[@veronicapomar6010]

She was reckless at least he knew how to hide the evidence.

[@biancasilva8172]

@@veronicapomar6010 and that's supposed to be good? Maybe you should revisit your morals hahahah

[@veronicapomar6010]

Wait you thought I was serious oh my gosh they’re both killers I was just saying Joe was actually looking good this season and trust me when I say I do not romanticize serial killers.

[@arfreda5912]

An “Emily in Paris” x “You” crossover would be the funniest thing ever lmfao

[@bbear2695]

i smell a SuperEmmy

[@lightdarkequivalent7143]

Oh noooo, hot french guy who can fluently speak in english #6 has been killed

[@lotusthemermaid]

I wheezed

[@shoujokadyan5502]

I bet there is fanfiction of that right now sitting in AO3.

[@maggiemcfly5267]

Netflix Latin America made a fake teaser of a Emily in Paris/Lupin/You crossover 😂 it was short but fun

[@Dreabz617]

I don’t think the intent of Joe being a “protector” is to give him a humanizing side. I actually think the point is to highlight how deranged he really is. He sees himself as a good guy who’s “forced” to commit these murders in order to protect ppl. He’s clearly insane but, unlike Love, he’s methodical and purposeful with his murders, and that’s how he justifies it all. Also, I really enjoyed this season and thought the whole Bonnie and Clyde vibe made it entertaining and different from the last two seasons.

[@Echo-mg5em]

I agree, there was a good cinematic energy to the two of them working together (like a pair of antiheroes or villains in a slice of life), and honestly his whole “I must escape her evil ways” was so annoying.

[@sp0ngeb00b7]

I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, but, I like Joe's "protector" mentality because, I think dehumanising morally objectionable characters is actually an issue that takes away from the fact that murder, r*pe, stalking/harassment, etc. are all our very HUMAN faults. Like, yeah these people are monsters, but they ARE humans and that's WHY they're so capable of this stuff, you can humanise a "bad" anti-hero character WITHOUT glorifying them and people don't seem to understand that. I say this without malice of course, I love Amanda and I have no qualms with all y'all others here! But dehumanising these characters ignores the complete mess and violent nature of the human condition, and it probably also discourages people with violent/intrusive thoughts from going to get help because they think they're not worthy of people's time. Which, I can imagine, encourages some reckless and dangerous behaviour, potentially, for OTHER people. At the end of the day, people who commit these kinds of atrocities, are still **people** and probably have weaknesses (as all of us do). It's extremely reasonable to believe that someone with as strong as a saviour complex as Joe, who wants nothing more than for his child to live a crime/violence-free life and not experience the same traumas he did, would also see himself reflected in other kids in his neighbourhoods who are struggling for a better life and therefore would want to shelter them. Help them, in the only ways he knows how, removing the problems from their lives.

[@sp0ngeb00b7]

I also personally did not realise how chaotic and overly-eventful this season was until Amanda pointed it out, hahaha! I actually did not have an issue with this, after watching S2 when it first came out a while back and not being able to finish it (not bc it was boring btw), I jumped into S3 as a fresh start and the chaos was addictive as hell! Though I do maybe wish, either Marienne or Natalie were removed from the season to really give Joe/Love's Bonnie and Clyde dynamic more spotlight, and give us a chance for more chemistry at least, before things inevitably went downhill (they always would've, but seeing them as a power couple was all I wanted out of the season tbh!).

[@supercookie798]

Also, Most episodes take place from HIS perspective, so it makes a lot of sense that that would be the narrative. It has to be. Because Joe's actions performed by a person who fully knows how horrible he is are not what is scary about that show. And that mindset and view of himself is what keeps him killing: wherever he goes, he finds new people he has to "protect", most of the time leaving them off worse than before.

[@kengordon6322]

I agree completely!!

[@GG-dx4id]

My favorite part of the whole season is how Love wanted to paralyze her first husband so they could "talk" ... Despite the fact he was DEAF and spoke to her in SIGN LANGUAGE lmaooo

[@shikuthetempest]

... I never even made that connection and now I can't stop laughing. That would've been quite the one sided conversation, Love.

[@flawedsanity]

Noooo omg

[@livgeneral6487]

Omg how did that not hit me wow!! That's insane! Poor guy wouldn't have been able to talk at all to try and get out of that situation. To be fair she dosed Joe so much that he couldn't talk verbally which makes no sense either since he had the pill and it was due to seeping into the skin so it's weird it was that strong to make him not even able to speak slightly. But if she dosed her first husband correctly there's absolutely no way he could have tried to reason with her or for what Love wants to hear agree with her to get out of the situation alive.

[@GG-dx4id]

@@livgeneral6487 lolllll yeah, it was likely just sloppy writing, but I LOVE imagining it as Love intentionally rigging the game and lying to Joe about it, because that's the funniest possible explanation. RIP, queen.

[@nixxdra]

I mean, Joe couldn’t talk when he was paralyzed, so I doubt it would have worked either way. It could have been lazy writing, or it could have meant to show that Love had no intentions of letting her husband talk in their hypothetical conversation.

[@Anynom]

One bit I loved? Joe giving up his son at the end. Because to him, it's to "free" the kid from some sorrow and a tiny bit of self-reflection that he's not fit to be a father. But, being Joe, he can't face HE'S the problem so it's more "everyone else makes my life too crazy to handle you too, so have to have you avoid it" so he's giving the kid a shot at not being raised by a psychopath but for the wrong reasons.

[@CrybabeBB]

I agree with this, and I also think he was probably just over being a parent. He’s what most people would probably call a psychopath and while I think he cares for his son, I don’t know that it’s in the same way a normal person would love their son. It’s a lot of work to be a parent and multiple times his son was an obstacle to being with/obsessing over Marienne. So tbh I think he just preferred to be unburdened in his stalking.

[@yanelig5282]

I loved that too, but I think it's a temporary thing, bc Joe said something that sounds like he will come back once he settles down with Marienne, i dont remember what tho, just that he said something

[@hillary96renteria82]

@@yanelig5282 I really hope he doesn't do this. You don't get to abandon your kid and then come back and demand to have him back 🤮. Henry will be much safer and happier where he is now

[@llcdrdndgrbd]

@@hillary96renteria82 I mean social services must be involved

[@CamHennings]

So I was the one that portrayed Gil's son, Alan, in Episode 4 of the season! And at the time of booking this, nobody told me anything about my character, just that I was important to my dad who I knew would be killed by the end of the episode. It was really cool though since I had a name and I knew that I'd have some sort of significance to the plot of the episode. So imagine my FUCKING SHOCK when this season drops and I learn that they made me into a sex predator, complete with the creepy police sketch and everything... It's been a wild week or so since the season dropped and I'm still extremely conflicted about the whole thing because while it's a huge show to be included in, I just wish I had some sort of heads up about the whole thing. Maybe they didn't think I'd take the job if I knew what the full role entailed? Regardless, nice experience on the day, but it was very jarring to see the direction they took with my character. I kinda wish that they'd invite me back just to kill me, tbh.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Wow I can absolutely understand why that would throw you off if you weren't given any details. I'm guessing it's because that was directly linked to one of the main spoilers of the show around Gil? I know in my embargo notes from Netflix it specifically says we can't mention anything about Gil's death or the situation around it until the show premiered. If it helps, I'm sure no one is ever going to judge you for playing the role.

[@CamHennings]

​@@AmandaTheJedi That could have been the case, but I'm also pretty sure I signed an NDA, so it just seems like a very big detail to simply gloss over, but that could have been a part of the whole contract, I guess. And thank you for the reassurance about it! I've fortunately gotten nothing but positive and supportive messages from a ton of people since the premiere, but it admittedly makes me feel pretty awkward when I'm receiving congratulatory messages from seemingly every other girl I've met since college for portraying such a creepy/horrible person. Again, it's all been kind words, just a lot to process at once. Haha

[@trinaq]

Wow, that's absolutely crazy that you weren't made aware of the full storyline of your character in advance. It DOES seem highly likely they were worried that you wouldn't take the role if you knew what it entailed beforehand. Major kudos on booking the role, though, and thank you for sharing your experiences of the shoot, and being on set. You were fantastic, despite only appearing in a single episode.

[@CamHennings]

@@trinaq Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I definitely don't regret being a part of it; Mackenzie Astin is one of the nicest guys I've met in this industry so far, so it was very cool getting to know him for the day and be his fake son. Haha

[@lolafierling2154]

You were GREAT! It sucks that they didn't tell you beforehand. I don't think I'd enjoy that either. I don't think anyone would judge you for the part but if someone does they're jerks. You gotta eat too. Anyone who can't/won't understand that is probably not a great person.

[@TheNiamhish]

I've always thought that the helping kids subplots are less about trying to redeem him and more about showing how delusional he is. Joe sees himself as the hero he protects kids and "saves" these girls he becomes obsessed with. Outside of his perspective though he is obviously the villain even if he "helps" the kids.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I can get on board with that concept being their intention - but I just know Joe wouldn't be able to make himself give a fuck if it ever got in the way of his current obsession.

[@aprilandpedro9823]

Absolutely! Actually I think Joe makes a point to pretend to help kids just so he can keep telling himself that he's a good guy. Yeah he kills other bad people like Paco's mother's psychotic boyfriend in season one and the comedian who preyed on Delilah and Ellie in season two. Joe likes to see himself as an executioner who metes out divine justice only to bad people who truly deserve to die. But really I think Joe kills people simply because he likes to and he doesn't want anybody getting in the way of wants. He convinced himself that Beck and Candace were evil monsters that broke his heart and therefore deserved to die for it. But really they were just flaky immature girls who didn't know what they wanted. But Joe decided that they deserved to die because they didn't want him in the end. He sends money to Ellie every month. But that doesn't fix anything because her sister is still dead because of him and Love. Money doesn't change the fact that he ruined her life. I'm glad they didn't bring Paco back after season one because Joe would have ruined his life too. Paco has enough problems just with his drug-addicted absentee mom. Good foster parents might have actually improved his life.

[@troygarcia6674]

I saw somebody's interpretation that the kids served the point of showing how somebody so severely broken and disturbed can still show an outward appearance of being a good person to the public. Edit: oh she mentions that, I commented when I started the video

[@aprilandpedro9823]

@@troygarcia6674 Yeah true! That's a very good point. It goes to show that you wouldn't necessarily know that some people are bad people til you get to know them really well. Often not until you were in danger from them yourself. It really shows how it's easy to get in bad situations with bad people. And you might not necessarily know you were in danger until it was too late. Which is really scary!

[@clover-vq2rt]

There's a scene in season 1 where Paco's parents are fighting and Joe is just listening in his apartment. Beck asks "why don't you do something?" and basically he says "I don't like getting involved in people's lives". Obvious irony aside, this shows that Joe doesn't really want to help people. He just wants to feel like he did. All Paco wants is genuine support and guidance and all Joe does is give him a book telling him to "suck it up".

[@trinaq]

It's crazy how Theo is depicted as being a younger college toyboy for Love, when Dylan Arnold is actually a year OLDER than Victoria Pedretti in real life! 😂

[@brib6046]

I had to look up their ages while watching because I knew there was no way he was close to his teens but to find out he was a year older than her 🤣🤣🤣

[@uroboros_8563]

Ageism in Hollywood

[@kgal1298]

Lmaaaaooo I assumed they were the same age but Hollywood is wild.

[@JessLoveyy]

I was shocked. He looks super young

[@BlckSWANWhtRbbt]

It was driving me crazy that they kept calling him a teenager despite not looking like one at all

[@samthelion3925]

I think that line that Love utters is so brilliant. "I almost took that little girls mother away from her." And Joe did. He took his sons mother away from him.

[@averysullivan3931]

Love almost took Sharry and Carry’s parents away from them. She also took Ellie’s sole provider away from her.

[@eiffelviolet]

Love needed to be taken out. She was a monster.

[@LuciferArc1]

Delilah was a mother to ellie. She sliced the fuck out of her

[@Sims4T]

Yeah and wasn’t she about to taken Henry’s father from him? Because to kill Joe would mean he would lose his dad. So either way he was about to lose a parent.

[@captainblighe7297]

The au pair, who was a bad person as they show, was someone’s daughter.

[@LucasHxnt]

Love's friends say in season 2 that she cooks when she's happy and bakes when she's stressed and in season 3 she decides to open a bakery.

[@holyrod2001]

The thing that actually really turned me off to the season was Love's death. I actually liked the weird implosion of the marriage for a lot of it but kept hoping they would reach a state of equilibrium, where it would kind of become a dark buddy cop marriage. I especially became enamoured of it when Love bonked the guy for endangering her son. The two of them being darkly protective of one another and their child while spinning from disaster to disaster has its own charm that I would have really liked to see continue.

[@DsRelaxingSounds]

That would have started to get repetitive too though, I’m glad they’re not doing the same thing twice.

[@holyrod2001]

@@DsRelaxingSounds I can see that, but the death felt like such a waste, relatively

[@micahcook2408]

Yeah I wish she didnt die tbh. Like maybe she woke up and survived the house fire in a supernatural way but eh I doubt it. Not because I like the character (I do like the actress) but because she gave some weight to the story. I guess I was hoping to see the effects put upon her and Joe (even if he did escape) and the Baby when everything was aires out.

[@silverselkie1692]

@@micahcook2408 honestly I'd like to see her come back and want to kill or terrorize Joe for trying to kill her. I really want him to have an adversary who I'd his equal.

[@DsRelaxingSounds]

@@holyrod2001 I appreciate your opinion but I don’t feel the same way. There’s only so many storylines you can have with Love. It’s not the Love & Joe show. Her story has run its course and I’m fine with that. I thought this season was the most underwhelming so far and I think it’s partially because he was in this settled relationship. They had to go a bit all over the place to keep it interesting. I preferred it when it was just him getting involved with a girl. (Also I just hated her so much I’m glad to see the end of her tbh. 😋)

[@dianagoenaga7263]

Girl, never apologize for getting sick. Your health always comes first!

[@rickyvandusen1744]

Nah i need the apology. Should have taken preventative measures

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@rickyvandusen1744 b I have a cold and I always wear a mask. Shut up.

[@starryeyedlillady]

I didn’t think Ryan was a “bigger bad” I thought he was meant to be a mirror for Joe in a lot of ways: obsessive over a woman he sees as property, making out he’s protecting children when actually it’s an ego trip, faking to be a “good guy” to anyone who will listen, he even catches on when Joe is stalking him showing he has an awareness for that kind of behaviour. I think Joe being repulsed by him is meant to be ironic because he’s exactly the same way - he destroys women’s lives and reputations.

[@CypherDen]

Ah bless! I thought I was the only one that felt like this since a lot of the people I've spoken to only praises how "crazy" this season was. I'm all for the craziness but at least make it make a little bit of sense. Love having a thing for Theo just made it seem like it was written in so Joe's the lesser evil. She felt so methodical in Season 2 after the reveal, but just beyond erratic in this season just to stir up the plot. Victoria Pedretti is one hell of an actress though! She's sooo fun to watch throughout, so yes I'd let her bludgeon me any day too. lol

[@LPSAnimalAC]

She was never super methodical. That's the whole point, and she has always been just as crazy as Joe. I do think this season was all over the place, but honestly nothing was too outlandish for me to be completely upset about.

[@genshinlover123]

what? Love was super impulsive, that's why she is so scared in season 3, she can't use the fixer any more, she killed someone when she was young without even thinking about it because her family could fix everything without problems I don't think nothing is meant to make Joe less evil, we just need victims, like the "ned flenders" guy, he was a saint and yet they put everything on him, but because Love is bad too Joe is lesser bad to you? I don't get it

[@Chronicle_MV]

Hey Den 😊

[@CypherDen]

@@genshinlover123 I more so meant methodical in her actions concerning manipulating the situation to get what she wanted not her killings. u_u They wrote her to be someone who’s almost equivalent to Joe S2 and then just made her an irrational mess the whole of S3 that can barely function without killing everything in her way?

[@RebeccaStropoli]

When has this show EVER "made sense?" It's a campy, ridiculous romp.

[@craigh5236]

The problem with measles is that it has this ability to wipe out a person's immunities for other things. Even if the measles is easily overcome the following reinfections can be very dangerous.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

oh yeah there were a lot of reasons that 'natural immunity' thing was absolutely deluded

[@Anynom]

@@AmandaTheJedi The idea Joe finds the anti-vax crowd horrible is both fitting and brilliant.

[@idealisticcynic06]

@@Anynom lmao yea Joe kills people in the good ol' fashioned way for the usual reasons

[@ac.car88]

Yes so true. An interesting fact about the measles vaccine that i found out though is that it doesn't always protect into adulthood, a few years ago i was required to show proof of MMR for work (preschool teacher) but my mom couldn't find the records due to moving and because i was an adult she didn't think it would be needed anymore, anyway i had to get a blood test proving immunity but turns out my antibodies were to low to be considered immune. The doctor said said it was obvious i was vaccinated because it was there just that it weakened over time. I had to re take it. My boss brought up a good point that if it hadn't been a requirement i wouldn't have known and could have gotten the measles. So when i saw the scene where he got sick and the neighbor was all "it's okay i was immunized" while he was taking care of him my first thought was that doesn't mean you can't get it. I know it's a fictional show and what happened to me was uncommon but it was still kinda crazy to me to watch.

[@Rachel-wn8xi]

@@ac.car88 thank you for sharing this info! super important and helpful bc i had no clue

[@rebellyanmagic6409]

I like how Love's first murder was the babysitter preying on her twin brother, and in season 3 she's hooking up with a college student.

[@Artistgirl254]

It honestly made me upset it felt like straight up character assassination

[@hillary96renteria82]

right 🤮. Every scene of them flirting made me feel like throwing up. I just wanted to take Love by the shoulders and shake some common sense into her

[@jacobodom8401]

Her brother was a kid. College student is an adult.

[@hillary96renteria82]

@@jacobodom8401 we are not saying that legally it was wrong, but morally its in dicey territory and Love herself realizes this. they are almost 10 years apart and she is sort of using him

[@stolenart9290]

At first I thought she's gonna treat him as a replacement for Forty.

[@KAYoLEE]

This season was such a mess, and I loved every minute of it. Also, I can't believe that Sherry and Cary became my favorite characters this season.

[@MrCynthis]

Right!? 😂 i hated them so much for most of the season but the therapy language during/after shooting each other in the cage just got me in all the right ways

[@strangelandian]

@@MrCynthis Probably because they weren't being real for most of the season. We hated them because they were so fake but once they got locked up and aired out their demons they became more relatable and likeable.

[@MrCynthis]

@@strangelandian that makes a lot of sense!

[@yiningfan4642]

yeah they were so obnoxious at first but had so many people rooting for them towards the end

[@awkwardcupcake3395]

Cary is a shining example of positive masculinity.

[@nekusakura6748]

Personally I enjoyed Season 3 the most. The Ending of the Finale left such a haunting impact on me.

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Yeah the ending really got me as well but it was mostly because I didn't want Love to get killed off the show since she was such an interesting character 😔

[@AnaAcuraErica]

Yeah I like it the most as well!! I rewatched all seasons to confirm this lol

[@janavelino641]

all matthew had to do to solve natalie's murder was check the cameras on natalie's tesla. such a massive plot hole considering he was basically batman with oracle tech

[@lilyinthewater161]

Right? It made no sense that he spent days going through that with image processing etc without looking at obvious cameras at obvious times.

[@heimkhal2.097]

Not defending Joe in any way but him being scared of Love killing people is just emphasizing how delusional he is. He thinks he murders people because 'it was the right thing to do'. The clearest example would be when he tried to 'protect' Beck from her boyfriend. But then when Love does it, he thinks it's effed up. That is what I like the most in this season tbh on how they play that they both think they are doing the right thing while the other thinks otherwise.

[@johnsnow04]

Because he has innability to grasp that the girls he "falls" are also quite "toxic" themselves. Case in point, the new one(librarian) on the surface seems fine but she has a crazy ex, history of drug abuse and is attracted and sleeps with a married man. But yes, he tries to "fix" their lives by getting rid of the problems they have or at least he thinks they have. While Love just does it on the whim. Like attacking that antivax idiot. Joe would probably never do that. Or at least be smart aboout it if he did.

[@mynameisuju]

@@johnsnow04 this! He is also in denial about his mother also being toxic, which is why he cannot mentally deal with the fact that the women he chooses are like her.

[@sirenfang1179]

so i know this is fictional and it might be silly to feel this way but as a french woman living in paris i gotta say the final reveal of joe coming here gave me so much anxiety for a hot minute lmao

[@GTAVictor9128]

Salut, toi 😏

[@dylankennedy4539]

Silver lining is you now have Penn Badgley in your city

[@aleandra3945]

not the "i have a tampon to preserve" lmao that took me out

[@aplort6789]

What I absolutely loved about the show is that while I was watching it, everytime i realised I had started to root for a character, I also realised how horrible they were. My mind was like, "Oh poor Love, Joe's an absolute nightmare of a husband. Oh wait no. Love just murdered someone, i take it back". And its not just Love and Joe. Every character had faults. Theo was obsessed with a married woman. Natalie was a serial adulterer. Cary and Sherry were awful. Love's mom endangered Henry on that Vineyard Arson and so on.

[@luisrafaelferminmontilla7987]

To be fair obsessed with a married woman is not as bad as serial killing.

[@Usshamma]

@@luisrafaelferminmontilla7987 yeah for Theo, he’s supposed to be 19 so he’s an absolute moron. Makes sort of sense and that is hell of a lot more common than a serial killer couple

[@sixfeetundertheradar6080]

I was SO rooting for Love when she cut her mom off from Henry, of course that support was short lived lol

[@DirtyPrancing]

The vineyard bit felt so jarring and not in a good way. I think they realized part way through they wanted the gay couple to raise Henry and so they hastily wrote the mom out of the picture so that it made sense

[@potato-whiz]

I just wrote a VERY similar comment lol. Like feelings of sympathy for Joe would start creeping in or I’d start rooting for his new romances to succeed or at the very least think it’s sweet. Or even when he was breaking down over Beck cheating on him this feeling creeps in like, oh he was so good to her and she broke his heart…no wait. No. He’s a killer and a stalker and he ruined her life and he is a terrible person. Stop it.

[@maxrona137]

Ah yes, the subtle filmmaking tool of Chekov's Basement Murder Room

[@silverkyre]

I definitely dont see love as more psychotic, Just that Joe is more calculated and more experienced.

[@JC_Cali]

That trick causing so many problems this season lol

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

Love*

[@micahcook2408]

Love is sociopathic/impulsive, Joe is psychopathic/manipulative

[@trevordavis6830]

I think one of my favorite moments in the show was when Love asked Joe when did he figure out about the cement foundation when they had to bury Natalie again. While they don't confirm it, the implication that Joe had, at least subconsciously, memorized/scouted out that location just in case he had to murder Natalie or even Love at some point really speaks volumes to how delusional and dangerous Joe is and made me really sympathize with Love's character. Sure, she's just as crazy as Joe and is much more openly willing to murder people, but given what she knows about Joe its really not hard to come to the conclusion that Joe would potentially murder her if he fell in love enough with another woman.

[@DirtyPrancing]

It's definitely a sociopath and psychopath dynamic.

[@bluetuhgreen]

I actually really liked season 3. It was completely off the rails lol. And I love how people argue over whose more crazy, Love or Joe. Guys they’re both off their rockers 😂

[@MissBabyNe]

True, I've always felt season 1's pacing was too slow, I watched it because of the hype. But season 3, that lightning pacing is everything.

[@deanmoriarty6015]

they are, but Love is definitely crazier. she’s completely unhinged. Joe was able to control himself a lot of this season and if Love was just able to not kill someone, Joe wouldn’t have to do anything insane anymore unless season 4 has something to say about that

[@bluetuhgreen]

@@deanmoriarty6015 I mean I definitely agree she’s more impulsive, but I don’t think that equals her being more crazy. Like after Love kills Natalie she says she didn’t plan it like a psychopath. Meanwhile Joe actively plans out most of his murders so he can get away with it. I can’t decide which of those is more coo-coo. But that’s just my opinion 🤷‍♀️

[@potato-whiz]

It makes me laugh when people pick between both of them or root for Love to win in the end and take the show over. They’re both horrible people who deserved justice. Neither of them deserve to win anything or get the upper hand or whatever.

[@dogsbreakfast4952]

Love is 10000% crazier then joe it’s not even a question

[@maxrona137]

"You brought a gun to a swing sesh" is the evolved form of "You brought a knife to a gun fight"

[@Winedrunk2lulah]

This is one of those comments I’m gonna randomly think of for possibly the rest of my life 😂

[@highclassd0mme380]

yeah im never not gunna think about this

[@raymay7712]

I absolutely LOVED when they were fighting in the car about where to bury Natalie's body and Love says "Oh so now I'm the psycho?"

[@videohistory722]

Little note about Joe killing Ryan: Did he even consider that she'd KNOW immediately he did it, because he confessed to her that he was capable of doing something like that?

[@nicolehatton4534]

That's what I was thinking!

[@briancarter8490]

Good point

[@trinaq]

Therapist: "You are many things, but you are NOT murderers." Joe and Love look shifty. Audience: "Want to bet?!"

[@Noa......]

Foreshadowing to Love's last scene😬.

[@clairelouise3591]

Imagine the therapist seeing the news report about them lol

[@JJ-94]

I thought that was so forced. That therapist was so over the top, like why don't you just wink while saying that to the camera 🙄

[@GTAVictor9128]

*cue Curb Your Enthusiasm soundtrack*

[@snakesonaframe2668]

I immediately cracked up at that 😂

[@makennavillanueva3137]

I think he’s terrified of having a son because of because he is only “protective” or possessive over women, he can’t have the same degree of control over a son that he would have over a daughter

[@hillary96renteria82]

Not necessarily. In season 1 he is very protective of his neighbor's young son and almost acts like a second father to him. I didn't really quite understand why he hated the thought of a son so much

[@kirag9509]

@@hillary96renteria82 I think he was terrified of having a son because he didn’t want his son to turn out like him. Like he saw himself in his son. But I also agree with you because, a girl could have also easily turned out like Joe….or even Love. But I honestly think Joe probably projected himself onto his child, and it was easier to project his negative traits (as a man) onto a boy than a girl

[@yourbabytee]

Nah they just butchered his character

[@TheGlssr60]

In the "W.O.M.B." episode when Joe and Merienne just finished kissing and he thought "Oh shit, Love is going to kill you" had me rolling on the floor from the way he said it. That was classic!

[@morganf1968]

The fact that he put his baby in all black along with himself and is just stalking a woman while being a dad is just the icing on top of the cake 😂

[@CrybabeBB]

I actually really liked Joe’s conflict about having a son instead of daughter. I think it’s possible for Joe to simultaneously believe he’s justified in all his violent actions, and to know on a deeper level that he is a messed up, violent, miserable person. He has extreme cognitive dissonance. I don’t think it’s as simple as him thinking he’s always right. His infant son is the perfect person to project his own issues onto in order to avoid dealing with them.

[@andie1508]

Things I liked a lot: - Love "narrating" to Forty and when she hallucinates him - Theo reminding Love of Forty - The absolute hypocrisy of both Love and Joe. Should've leaned into this more. - Matthew the neighbor leaving Joe: "enjoy whatever Love has planned for you, you sick f*ck" - The reveal about Love killing James. - Cary being "Cary-sexual" lol - Sherry and Cary in the cage. I hated them then I loved them. "Baby give me a flag!"

[@LoLovesLife]

I actually don't think that Joe having this affinity to protect children was written to make him more humanizing at all. Joe at his core deludes himself into thinking that he's a good person. The evil acts that commits for the vulnerable children that he encounters reinforces his internal logic that he's actually a good guy. It's also a reenactment of his own childhood trauma being bullied. Not justifying his actions on a moral level here. Just speaking on the ways that his actions align with his internal logic.

[@catherineers]

YES!!

[@PaolaRL]

I totally agree

[@maineman5757]

I think in the Season 3 finale Joe comes to terms that he isn't a good person anymore when Love tell him Henry will know what he is. Then there is a long look on Joe's face. That's why he left Henry because he finally realized that he isn't good. I think there will be a more ruthless Joe in Season 4 because of this.

[@woah729]

I thought this season was alright but it was definitely too much. For me, Season 2 was the perfect balance of craziness, tension, and pure insanity without going too off the rails. And obviously Season 1 is the most grounded, relatively speaking.

[@rickgrimes4018]

Season 1 was pretty mid if you compare it to 2, and 3. Mostly because Beck can’t compare to Love 💀

[@lynnbartholomew9089]

If we don't get that Emily in Paris/You crossover Netflix, what was even the point of all this?

[@carolinashoemaker5938]

I feel like the first season so far has been the strongest one, the story was simpler and more streamlined, the message more clear. The second season had many convoluted subplots but at least I got what they were trying to do... but this season, just, so many unnecessary things happen that it left me feeling more confused than anything. Aside from that, it didn't feel like the show was trying to elevate the themes or add anything new to say to what we've seen past seasons, I feel that they added all these unnecessary subplots because they probably realized that it would've been boring if the story was just Joe stalking some woman again, but instead of trying to think of a new storyline that added or elevated the themes they had been previously exploring, they just added a bunch of melodrama that lead to nothing. I also feel like we don't get to see much of Marienne outside of Joe's perspective. One of the things that I really liked from the first season is that you get to see Joe's version of Beck which is super romanticized but then it also shows you Beck just going around her life, and you can see that she was different than what Joe perceived her as. In the second season they didn't really did this with Love but in the ending you not only see that this was fake by Love turning out to be a murderer, but also that this "perfect girl" was an image that she herself fabricated. But with Marienne we don't get to see her outside from Joe's perspective, and maybe see how he might be romanticizing her.

[@The_GlitchWitch]

I thought it was perfect that Love was just like Joe, making him look at a mirror image of himself, and yet he came out hating it. Season 3 should have been Joe realizing how horrifying he is through the lense watching Love do the same things he’s done in the past, and then finally dying at her hands alongside her. Love could have been his greatest punishment. Technically him having to lose his son bc of her is a punishment of sorts, but he moves on so quickly just to go do what he’s always done before with another woman. That is what I feel like cheapens the entire story- he “wins” over Love, and gets to start all over again. Continuing the Joe as an anit-hero thread rather than someone that needs to really face all the horrible things he’s done.

[@mr.perezident9381]

I both liked and disliked the season. I like the dynamic between Love and Joe, and the way they demonstrate a loveless and abusive marriage to such a dramatic extent, but still with the feelings of anger, jealousy, and hypocrisy that a real couple could feel and use against each other. My main issue is that by the end, none of it matters. Love is dead, and Joe is able to move on to next girl. And it makes me question how much of season 3 is really important. Like it made sense in the previous two, to have hard resets, but now it just makes the past 2 seasons feel useless. Like do we know more about Joe than we did before? Not really. Is Marianne that interesting to have another season for? Nope. So why not just end the show at season 3 with something that actually gives closure?

[@BishopWalters12]

I agree, Season 3 was a drop off compared to the first 2 seasons but I was enjoying it overall. Like you said, When Joe kills Love and Just ends up in a new location. It really did feel like What was the point?

[@marctravismba]

I think that's a fair point. Joe doesn't really learn anything. He doesn't grow in any tangible way, unlike a character like Dexter Morgan. It's the same storyline as the previous seasons, just presented in a different way. And like the other seasons, loose ends get tied up, like his son being sent away. That's just too convenient. Even in Dexter, when Rita died, Dexter had Harrison all the way until the final episode 4 seasons later.

[@micahcook2408]

Yeah I wish she didnt die tbh. Like maybe she woke up and survived the house fire in a supernatural way but eh I doubt it. Not because I like the character (I do like the actress) but because she gave some weight to the story. I guess I was hoping to see the effects put upon her and Joe (even if he did escape) and the Baby when everything was aires out.

[@connorgrieve6386]

I couldn't agree more, if it finished there, great! However, the fact they confirmed season 4 is like... what was all this for? Were back to square one of season 1. And it's so stale and repetitive.. like, I don't believe anything can be more entertaining than the peak of Joe's and Loves relationship. Now, to start all over.. it's like come on guys 😅 theyve written themselves into a corner. If it's him, finding a new girl and that's it. It'll probably bomb

[@snakesonaframe2668]

@@micahcook2408 it wouldn’t surprise me at all if she survived. Joe’s victims have come back to life before.

[@diamocome]

the therapy sessions were hysterical to me bc they were talking about their problems like they were so normal and they were rationalizing literally everything and they were being so removed from themselves in such a bizarre way. i really got such big laughs out of all those scenes.

[@margoberner2114]

honestly i thought this season was amazing ....well the ending sucked i was really mad at joe and i didnt want to see another season with him doing the same shit he did the other two seasons , i wanted something new maybe with just love. she was a mess but damn did i love her .

[@kngguzman2961]

Same it's like, I know Love was toxic and a murderer herself but damnit no matter the character, Victoria just has my heart. I got so mad at Joe and I hope season 4 is a mega shit show for him cuz he killed my baby 😭

[@cyborgqueer]

Agreed! I adore her character; and I liked this season a LOT, it was absolutely bonkers, but it was INTERESTING af, I loved seeing Love, not being able to tell what would happen next; ESPECIALLY WITH LOVE! The intensely emotional nature of character, while (in her mind) being the perfect devoted mother for her FIRST INFANT as well as the best partner for Joe; to see her try SO MUCH and so desperately to just be okay, not happy but alright and still entirely fail while watching her life constantly continuing to fall apart (like since she was born from what we know of her backstory) it was very interesting. I also relate to her (to a point obviously!!! ^^”) as someone who has a few mental illness related to extreme emotions, BPD for example, and is feminine and AFAB have outbursts and how ppl in the show and irl speak about it. Also, as someone who was also in an extremely abusive delusional relationship at her age, it was heartbreaking to go through but watching this season was like therapeutic? As in I could spot so many of the red flags (as in the small ones not like MURDERER or cheating) that I wouldn’t have a few years ago. TLDR I’m legitimately disappointed she’s gone BUT maybe they’ll do something like make her a ghost/hallucinations Joe has? I’d be so down for that.

[@Soul_Removal]

If you haven’t, you should take the chance to read You Love Me. The book is so much better and drops the cage as a gimmick in book 1. Joes also feels & acts like a completely different person in the book compared to his TV counterpart.

[@moonchild_9479]

I loved this season but I also think this should have been the end. Like, both Joe and love die, or Joe gets locked up, anything to put the end to this story. Second and third season did a good job of putting plot twists so it doesn't seem so repetitive, but I think they can't drag it out longer. As much as I like the show, I wish season four is gonna be the end.

[@hannahkayla7039]

Agreed

[@Ryyouu]

I would've loved to see them stay together in the end in some weird, toxic, but ultimately good-for-them marriage and leave it at that. I love this show so much, but I'm getting tired of every season ending the same way. Near the end of this season, I saw most of the plot twists coming way before they happened because it's become so formulaic. Yes, a huge point of the show is that Joe is running in circles and repeating the same toxic behaviour, but that doesn't mean it's fun to watch multiple seasons when you know they'll end the same way :/

[@jonathangoss5275]

Precisely my thoughts at the end of this season. When I saw “it’s official: another season is coming” I was like nooooo let’s just keep it the way it is lol

[@rickgrimes4018]

I feel like it can go up till season 6 without it getting boring. Everything is being built up for joe to reflect on his character like the little dude in season 1, Jenna Ortega in season 2, and Theo in season 3. In the final season it will be his downfall I can’t wait

[@DianeCooperTW]

I mentioned this somewhere else but Joe needs a nemesis, someone that actually Challenge him and is not easily defeated. Similar to How The Fall was

[@AndrAiaNighthaven]

Omg I loved that show!

[@Artistgirl254]

This is why I wish they didn't kill off love. I really feel like she had potential to be that nemesis. Someone just as crazy as he is and willing to do whatever it takes to get the upper hand. Candace was fine, but she wasn't willing to kill like Love was.

[@Soul_Removal]

He doesn’t and he doesn’t. The nemesis aspect can be the things he can’t control, hence how beck in reality was terrible and was actually cheating on Joe or how Amy was actually only into Joe because she wanted to steal from the bookshop.

[@jaash7981]

I really want to see stories that actually subvert cliches and showcase what a lot of popular romantic tropes really are for what they're worth: creepy.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

That's initially what this was supposed to be but it's a hard thing to draw out for multiple books/seasons properly

[@biancasilva8172]

@@AmandaTheJedi that's what I always say. So many, and I mean so many, shows would be near perfect if they just ended in one season. "You" was amazing in the first season, but the quality decreased going forward, it's just a plot you can't drag on and keep the same quality and message.

[@jaash7981]

@@AmandaTheJedi that seems to be an incredibly common thread between all these "dark" Netflix shows.

[@couch_philosoph3325]

I'd love a movie where it all seems super romantic cliché like they always bumb into each other at unexpected places, they can just talk for hours, guy remembers all the little things, etc. Just to in the last 15 or 20 minutes to reveal that in fact it has all been staged (kinda like we see it when love reveals all the stalking she has done, just not as murdery or over the top). Like this you get super inveszed into the male character as well and the female and you get super flipped out when it gets revelead that in fact the random romantic fate encounters have come from him stalking her and setting it up. Talking for hours? He researched the shit out of her interests to be able to give her the most awesome convo of her life - as if they were meant to be. Etc. It would also be interesting to have this revelation without the woman knowing. She still thinks her partner is this amazing guy, but we the viewer leave the theater knowing he tricked and manipulated her. What is going to happen to her?

[@amandajones2096]

Hm, well if you want that in comic/magna form there's this manga called "beware the villainess" that has this theme?

[@alexlazzerly3677]

Literally the only likable character this season was Dante. And Theo was alright too, if not slightly obsessive.

[@Usshamma]

I like Theo a lot too. He’s just a fucking idiot and I think he’s supposed to be 19

[@skylar7720]

I kinda liked Sherry and Cary, they were pieces of shit but by God if they weren't fun Spoiler: Especially when they were in the cage

[@clairelouise3591]

@@Usshamma I think hes supposed to be doing idiotic things because he's acting out, like his dad ignores him even before his step mum was murdered and then he fully spirals. Like I think it makes sense he gets obsessive over Love because he sees it as he can 'save her' from husband aka he has daddy and mommy issues just on a smaller scale than Joe lol. Plus Loves intentionally manipulating him too which furthers it

[@trace9657]

I like Marianne. Yes, she was a little flawed, but she had a moral center. I am glad she and her daughter got out. I agree on Dante, loved him. I might be partial to both of them though because - librarians.

[@alexlazzerly3677]

@@skylar7720 I liked their character development a lot especially by the last episode. But they were still pretty unlikeable for most of the season. Which was on purpose obviously.

[@milktea6676]

I don’t wish for a stalker boyfriend but it sure is fun watching someone else have one

[@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu]

WTF?

[@iammar1159]

You coocoo for coacoa puffs

[@ubermaster1]

That is..a creepy thing to admit

[@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu]

@Hulagu Mongke haha, you

[@uhohmykokoro1616]

You’re right tbh

[@horseisblind]

“Don’t sleep with the college student with the cracking voice” she says as her voice cracks 😂

[@aaravos4371]

This season really made me sad over a murderer who definitely kinda deserved to be stopped, dying. Victoria pedrettis acting made this season for me lol

[@_elevenofspades]

“It’s a stalker story from a stalker perspective” *shows Twilight and then Midnight Sun* Your content never gets old Amanda 😂 Also, I’m sorry you got sick! Hope you feel better 💖

[@kaylynnewilson2992]

I honestly would’ve loved this season had Love been the one to kill Joe and go on to be the focal point of the last season as a crazier but more cunning stalker finding her next “soul mate” to take the place of Forty and now dead Joe who didn’t live up to what she thought he was meant to be

[@ciennarose007]

I agree! I feel like Joes story was at a good place to end but we could have seen so much more of Loves background with her parents and Forty

[@daniellappvp]

Omg that would've been great, she was the best part of this season

[@vibhavkambli5731]

Love would get caught in the 2nd episode lmao, i like her character but let's be honest she's not half as smart or good at killing as joe is.

[@kaylynnewilson2992]

@@vibhavkambli5731 obviously not as she was currently but let’s not act like Joe started out as smart as he got later on

[@xerces27]

No

[@nurevsanvarl8245]

Loving everything about this season that you disliked is really making me question myself tbh. I agree that joe shouldn't be redeemed by "protecting" children but ı actually think that part of him makes sense given his childhood and I really enjoyed Love's unhinged murderous tendancies.

[@theealiennreview6912]

I don't really like the narrative of Love considered being "crazy" "impulsive" and weird while Joe is considered controlled and good while he's also pretty crazy

[@FuryClouds]

For me, it works because Joe has always been an unreliable narrator. He's being a massive hypocritic

[@DallasVakarian]

@@FuryClouds That! Exactly that!

[@biancasilva8172]

There are SO many people falling for that writing trap. People actually believe Joe is better than Love. Honestly I watch this show but I don't usually watch videos or discussions about it cause most people are just too dumb to get this kind of work, with an unreliable narrator. They just get caught in every trap the writers create and are never able to reflect about it.

[@DallasVakarian]

@@biancasilva8172 I thought it was so clear that he was an unreliable narrator but guess not. Maybe it's because I'm a writer idk

[@Sabrina-sc1db]

@@biancasilva8172 it's actually insane, I've heard people defending Joe and STILL believing "he wants to chance, he's so close" And it's like, I get it if you thought he'd change at first but he's always proving HE WILL NEVER CHANGE

[@maebymoore7210]

Also adding the humanizing element was necessary and important. Crazed stalkers and murderers in real life... are human. And they aren't scary and terrifying otherwise they wouldn't be able to get away with the stuff they do until they are caught. It's realistic. I think good writing is realistic.

[@AW-uv3cb]

I have to say, I kind of really enjoyed season 3... I mean it's batshit crazy, but once I accepted it, I just enjoyed the ride and had a good laugh, it almost reminded me of black humour comedies like "Death becomes her". It was just bursting with energy starting from episode 1! That 1st kill was definitely unexpected at that point, and then they just went for it. And yes, I would watch it regardless of anything just for Victoria Pedretti :-)

[@tmntaddict]

This season took the "WTF" quota from 1 & 2 and kept overfilling it with each episode. I almost physically came apart with each new dilemma. Although I did not expect Love to die with them being 1 step ahead of each other and her somehow more psychotic. Also, as much as violence and murder keep the spice in their marriage for a time, it's not a guarantee for every relationship. ***Season 4 already in the bag***

[@Chuuzus]

love really had joe out here looking like a whole saint.

[@trinaq]

True, you know that you're a psychopath when you make Joe Goldberg look saintly by comparison!

[@veronicapomar6010]

Right he actually only killed one person.

[@Anthonycheesman33]

You don't get the show lol.

[@iammar1159]

I still feel like he’s worse than her

[@aaravos4371]

I like how we have completely different opinions about this. I thought season 1 was meh, 2 was good, 3 was amazing.

[@allesaufalma]

Same

[@victoriabrown3374]

Same I tried rewatching season 1 but it felt so boring in comparison to season 3. Especially with the characters a lot of them were unremarkable including Peach and Beck.

[@gracewilliams5878]

Same, season 1 was kind of boring but when season 2 came around I really started to love the show, mainly because of Victoria Pedretti, she is just simply an amazing actress. The twist ending to season 2 with Love was the moment I knew I was in love with the show and will watch it until the end

[@angelprimadama]

Same! I watch this type of show looking for the exaggeration, for the drama and crazy things. 😂 And, boy, was I entertained! I think it's kind of boring to watch this stories trying to always seek for logic and realism. Ps: sorry about my English - I don't practice much

[@AlexeiX1]

i think almost everyone feels this way, in actuality, season 1 and 2 were great too, but the coming ones were always better. This take of hers is horrible.

[@InfernoYeet]

Me : Season 3 of You was pretty good. Amanda : It was terrible. *Me : It was terrible*

[@Kaylin_elizabeth]

I know, I liked it 😂

[@shaycat13]

I enjoyed it too it made me laugh

[@trinaq]

Haha, I liked it too, but as soon as Amanda or Alex Meyers claim it's crazy or insane, I'm right on board that band wagon!

[@octaviablackthorn9]

Same. Not my favourite season but I had a shit ton of fun watching it.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

AHA I don't think it's terrible! It's just a lot

[@bagel_bitez1]

Hope you feel better soon Amanda!

[@jonathansmith7219]

I loved this season overall, it had its flaws but was super fun. But the character who made this season was Love. She looked incredible this season and took on her role so well

[@joshuasmith4643]

Biggest plot hole for me was Theos father not realizing the camera across the street to notice Joe, but Theo finds it in 5 minutes? Fuck that

[@juonithzramos1089]

"But also Love--oh sweetie, oh please, oh no..." Priceless.

[@jessicakakern4571]

I loved how disillusioned the characters have become. I hope it was intentional but it was hilarious to me they were fighting about "you don't kill for me anymore, only I am! You are out here doing it for another girl" hilarious

[@alexispascal9245]

The scene with forty and love in the bathroom actually made me cry like a baby. Really hit me in my feelings:( also when Theo told love to run away with him. This season was amazing, me and mom talked about it a lot. Also Theo was def my fav!! 💕

[@aprilandpedro9823]

Yeah that scene totally made me cry too. But isn't it kind of weird for two adult opposite sex siblings to be taking a bath together? Even if they're twins?

[@yanelig5282]

@@aprilandpedro9823 Yea that messed me up too and I was like wtf, but at the same time I feel like it's not unusual for Love and Forty since boundaries were always being crossed with them by one another

[@aprilandpedro9823]

@@yanelig5282 Yeah you're right about that for sure! I always sensed some pretty strong incestuous undertones between those two and between Forty and their mom as well. Super cringe!

[@alexispascal9245]

@@aprilandpedro9823 in that scene I didn’t look at it that way to be honest. She was at a breaking point and then forty was there with her. I was honestly just crying like a baby …

[@aprilandpedro9823]

@@alexispascal9245 You're probably right. but there was a lot of really wrong stuff going on in that family. Like Forty having a really inappropriate relationship with the nanny as a kid! I'm glad they didn't make Forty as much of a sociopath in the show as he was in the Hidden Bodies book. If they had made him like in the book I don't think anyone would watch the show. He's way WAY more likeable in the show. I hated to see him die in the show. When he died in the book I thought, "Yeah I figured he would die in some stupid easily avoidable way like that." He didn't go the same way in Hidden Bodies. I don't know who's read the book or not so I won't spoil it... 😉I will say the series departs further and further from the books as it goes on. You can't even technically say the show is based on the books anymore.

[@Tony_Pesta]

My biggest problem with season 3 (and moving forward) is that we are entering the fourth season of a show in which the main character has not had any meaningful or interesting development. He is the same exact stalker/psycho he was in season one and I have no interest watching him obsess over another girl. We have seen him stalk like 4-5 different girls at this point? The dynamic between him and Love gave the show something interesting to build on. He is cold and calculated whereas Love was hot-headed and impulsive. Most of all, if the birth of his child and a partner who reflects his true character (and accepts him for it) is not enough for Joe to settle down then why should I get invested in his next journey? Joe has always been a HORRIBLE person but he is well beyond being redeemable at this point and I just can't see where the show goes from here

[@Argos-xb8ek]

What Joe's changed alot He's become a self aware stalker. Season 3 shows that Joe is slowly coming to terms with his issues not his murdering stalking ones but the surface level stuff like abandonment issues and what not

[@Tony_Pesta]

@@Argos-xb8ek Eh, I disagree. I think Joe was fairly self-aware in S1 and definitely in S2. It just feels like he goes through the exact same cycle each season -- he stalks, realizes he's wrong but continues to stalk/murder anyways until it all comes to a climax and he has to restart with a new fixation

[@pommes2618]

I 100% agree with you. I don’t understand where this show wants to go. I got the first season, where the “message” of how a stalker thinks came across, but now it just feels like a complete mess where they aren’t sure what they want to do with it, but they still continue. Idk it just feels pointless now imo

[@kristinohrstrom2972]

For a second I was kind of thought Love would kill Joe and become the new lead in the next season because of her inner monologuing.

[@Kirito-oo3ex]

Personally I fell like Joe likes the hunt more than the actual prey

[@robinvik1]

"Fuck, marry or kill?" - Joe, every single time he meets a new person

[@war1231]

Man they shouldn't have kill Love. She just started growing on me in this season. She was unpredictable and edgy.

[@howdyitsren]

oh the eps of riverdale, that makes so much more sense now. gotta admit i kinda love S3 it’s unhinged and just so bonkers but i’ll watch victoria pedretti in anything

[@jackheris687]

Hill House and Bly Manor.

[@Usshamma]

I think this season more than anything proves how awful Joe is. Because his monologues were infrequent in this season, you can tell he’s just a super dull guy who women seem to fawn over for no reason. Like he literally never talks. He had zero reason to have that sense of moral superiority. He is significantly worse than Love. With that said, Love was great and absolutely carried the show.

[@Valentin-ve6ms]

Looking forward to Joe spicing up his monologues with some terrably pronounced French words in season 4... "Then you caught my eyes in a bistro, eating a croissant in such a delicate way - j'adore!"

[@lilibe92]

The fact that I could hear his voice while reading this?! 😂

[@SntYvsLrnt]

i found Love to be mad annoying halfway thru the season. She'll kill you just for not saying thank you lol

[@Usshamma]

What I hated the most is that they clearly set up love to be absolutely impulsive with no sense of consequences, like killing Natalie while being on a tour with her and signing a lease, and making other very obvious mistakes… to only revert everything and make love this genius planner and make grow paralytics in her garden so she could use it to lace a knife? How did she become so calculating all the sudden?

[@isaiahmohi455]

@@Usshamma she learned off joe

[@melanie8ee]

I love that we see the whole series through joes perspective and his methodical planning and voice of reason to every fucked up thing he does convincing himself and therefore convincing the viewer of his perspective and how his actions have any sort of validity or reason, is always completely derailed whenever we see a little box of the things that joe has collected from his stalkee off screen. It’s such a funny and jarring juxtaposition because we’re led to believe this man has some boundaries as to what is too far or too creepy, and then you realize he has a used tampon in a box and you’re like oh no he’s just comeoletely off the rails

[@SunsetGoat]

I honestly loved this season it was so much more fun than the last one and at least the characters were consistent. Also _exile_ was in it so that really does it for me

[@songbird6414]

I feel like Love Quinn is the definition of “I support women’s rights and wrongs”

[@snakesonaframe2668]

I was surprised Love’s texts to Forty never came up after she stopped texting his phone, I fully expected Joe to somehow find the phone and read the texts about her cheating and for him to kill her for that. I’m glad they didn’t go that route though, would have been too predictable.

[@nestad2698]

For some reason I had convinced myself that Joe's neighbor, Natalie, would be revealed as a police/FBI type person actually investigating Joe. At this point I just want a storyline where he starts getting caught.

[@net_has]

dang, the concept of "creepy but self righteous stalker discovers what it's like to be on the other side of it" could be really good and actually serve to FURTHER the initial theme and underscore how unhinged and terrifying it is, it's too bad they just took it in the direction of weird quirky murder couple

[@paulatroncoso6117]

This season was fucking insane, it's the simplest review for this show. Period.

[@scordeteyla]

Victoria Pedretti is actually a year younger than the actor who plays Theo

[@KennMila]

I don't understand why the show decided to continuously let Joe get away with violence against women when it was originally a look into how romanticized those tropes are, and even the book has him arrested 🤔

[@jennybe4766]

maybe at the end of season 4, they gotta have the show end at one point before it gets too repetitive so perhaps we will see that in season 4

[@mikecatterson1]

Because it's fiction, no real people got away with anything, and a show called Joe in Jail only works with tigers. Also Joe perpetrates most violence against men. Love is more likely to kill women.

[@KennMila]

@@mikecatterson1 the show was initially a dissection of over-romanticized tropes where men stalk, harass, and abuse women 😐 it started out self aware but it just devolves into the Joe Show. That's what I'm pointing out as being odd in the narrative structure.

[@stolenart9290]

@@mikecatterson1 "no real people get away with anything" Looks like we live on completely different planets.

[@anonymouse903]

i actually loved it and binge watched the entire season in one sitting because i love me some melodramatic over the top mystery drama nomnomnom

[@laurabelacqua9064]

same

[@livialima9369]

I read the title and just automatically completed the sentence with "and I love it!" out of reflex

[@KanaHyoshi]

Love just seems like a more interesting monstrous protagonist. I would have loved a season just from her pov

[@SymbioteMullet]

This is truly the best way to experience media I would never otherwise experience.

[@DavyHulme]

Absolutely 100% agree. Excellent mood improver, great for a laugh while doing the cleaning and such

[@Cozm1k]

Pretty funny how people are annoyed about Joe taking care of children as if it makes him any better, but the children always end up coming out worse than before. Paco is told that killing people is okay, Ellie loses her older sister, Theo gets brain damage, and Henry loses his parents.

[@pam9919]

I loved joes sarcastic and sass this season because he was so done with love and the suburbs

[@catmadigan7763]

Also, can we talk about how iffy the Theo/Love plot was? Like, I *know* he's in college, and is technically legal...but he's still a vulnerable boy, and there were so many comparisons between him and Forty with the substance issues and how Love was initially very protective of him (almost like how Joe looked out for Paco and Ellie IMO) that it made me question the writers. Love's first kill was the babysitter that groomed her brother as a teen, literally a predator. And yet there's nothing indicating that what she's doing to Theo is very *very* similar? Feel free to reply, I'm still trying to sort my thoughts out over this subplot.

[@supercookie798]

This was a huge problem for me as well. Both the age gap and her clearly seeing him as a replacement Forty made me think their relationship should be platonic so I was completely shocked when they took it so far. The only redeemable thing about it is that Love is in no way a morally sound character anyway. But it bothered me that neither her mom or friend raised red flags upon finding out about "the affair"

[@peachi93]

I had huge issues with the Theo/Love plot. Like it just seemed so out of place and kind of out of character for Love? It was just so weird and I wish the writers hadn't put this subplot in the season.

[@ubermaster1]

Don't worry it's not iffy, they make it clear that Love is essentially preying on him to sate her desire to feel well..desired. Its horrid cause it also shows the many times where she was willing to take advantage of his crush on her for her and sometimes Joe's advantage.

[@Artistgirl254]

I really hated that plot it felt so out of place for love and honestly it seems like it was just placed there so people could turn on her for when Joe eventually killed her

[@Wxtsername]

Easily the worst part of the season because I felt like each scene with them just plays out the same “Oh hi love heheheh the door was open so here I am” “Oh hi love I threw this nerf football over the fence, it was on purpose heheh” You get the point.

[@TheCraniifer]

He gets away with murder... I wish they just ended it with him getting caught

[@jnewmark41]

I think it is the BEST season....

[@shaycat13]

Me too I laughed too much on this season

[@jnewmark41]

@@shaycat13 it's odd b/c I almost always agree with her.....

[@shaycat13]

@@jnewmark41 same!!

[@jennybe4766]

I enjoyed it! I found season 1 to be good, season 2 was amazing and this one was a piping hot mess that I really liked. I did expect some Bonnie and Clyde action kinda but I can totally understand why it didn't go that way because while we as watchers see Joe and Love as obviously perfect for each other, Joe doesn't because he can't accept that his "crazy" wife is just like him, as you mentioned he doesn't see himself as crazy and he doesn't want to see himself as crazy but seeing a reminder of being just that every day through his wife is unbearable for him. Plus, because of his mommy issues and saviour complex, he wants a woman he needs to protect, and Love of course isn't that. I do hope season 4 is the last one, so it doesn't get too repetitive and I do hope he gets arrested at the end of the show because after all this was supposed to be a show about the dangerous romanticization of toxic tropes in romance media. But I still enjoyed this season a lot because it was just so funny and chaotic and I'm not gonna lie, I love that kinda stuff. But I do get your criticisms, and I understand how this season is not enjoyable for many

[@Pinkbunniebabie]

Absolutely hate what they did with joe’s character this man should not be allowed to have a semi sympathetic backstory

[@Artistgirl254]

Same i ended up finding myself skipping through those scenes i lost alot of interest in him this season

[@littlelordfuckleroy3822]

why not? It just makes him a more interesting character. clever viewers are able to recognize his semi-sympathetic backstory and still understand that he’s a monster.

[@sarabrenna5525]

If anything it makes his character more realistic since it's a fact that many people who become "monsters" were abused in the past. Past abuse is an explanation and never a justification for their actions.

[@Musicanimedork01]

This feels like the writers watched a few seasons of "Santa Clarita Diet" and went "hey,, we could do that"

[@frogfeatherbdamned]

The season was a lot but I enjoyed it. Forgot some of the subplots but it was over the top fun. I just hope there is no season 4 or it takes a new direction again. The zaniness worked with Joe and Love as a couple