"You've asked me twice, I don't think it's a penalty" 🔎😬 | Ref Watch ANALYSE Forest penalty claims

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Ref Watch debate Nottingham Forest's 'X' statement regarding VAR decisions made in the game against Everton and analyse each penalty incident, frame-by-frame with ex-referee Dermot Gallagher.
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[@deeray4637]

What's the point of this show? Megamind will never disagree with the decisions.

[@rogom-ts4ew]

megamind lmao 💀

[@williamhobbs4202]

Literally did for the final decision

[@thabolezwemabandla2461]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@YourDad-h8u]

It's sponsored by pgmol

[@VaeVictis96]

You obviously didn't see him disagree with the 3rd one? Just another sheep saying the same crap about him

[@williamthomson7820]

Asking an ex ref his opinion about his mates, that alone is a bloody joke

[@ZebraKatzWhereItsAt]

Sky Sports not even hiding their corruption at this point.

[@HellaNGMusic]

Dermot Gallagher is a disgrace. He has shown multiple times that he isn't truthful, but rather protects his friends over doing his job. FIRE HIM.

[@samiliffe]

Please sack off this segment for next season

[@stegill38]

Its a ego back slapping exercise for VAR so they probably wont

[@abdiyusuf7598]

😂 they should call it var excuses show😂

[@lewishurley7690]

It's so badly done the whole show

[@Tom-im5xe]

The rules are the way the are so the refs can call it how they like

[@JasonWilliams89]

​@@Tom-im5xenot true

[@Mac_Kymera]

95% of neutral fans are with and stand alongside Nottingham Forest 👊🏻

[@darrenporter1850]

95% think all the decisions are 50/50. Prob one pen out of the 3.

[@nathanoconnor3044]

I'm an Everton fan and even I agree that all 3 are penalties. VAR in the prem is a shambles, no consistency, always making excuses. It's favoured us this week massively (not complaining) but next week it could go against us

[@U_Too]

I think Betting Companies are behind this and they were bet on Everton.

[@LukePingu]

The only truly debatable one is the handball and proximity saves Young in that case. Those pens have been given but glad it wasn't given with the distance away

[@ashwilliams4959]

Yep and even more with Nottingham in general after what their council did 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Maseball.]

Dermot defending the referees? Never saw that coming, this segment is truly unpredictable!

[@alexbelotti1603]

He was a ref for how long? He was involved in match fixing for a decade and is a disciple of the PGMOL. Skysports and the refs are partners.

[@WRNWRW]

we all know ref had his money on Everton

[@williamhobbs4202]

He's not wrong though; first one not enough contact for a foul, the handball is very borderline (the issue is more inconsistency with handballs) and the last one was a stonewall pen

[@StrategyIntern]

@@jimjogger306just ask the dermot fella to run with the ball and kick through the back of his leg with that force… he will change his mind on the first one

[@josephkerrigan733]

@@williamhobbs4202 1. "First one not enough contact for a foul" - I agree it's light but they've literally been given this season and if the ref on the pitch gave it there's no chance it would be overturned. 2. "the handball is very borderline (the issue is more inconsistency with handballs)" - I agree but it shouldn't be borderline if they just tell us what they want a handball to be. It seems like for significant portions of this season it's any contact with the hand or arm if its "away from the body" (Very technical description) is a penalty but then they occasionally say stuff like "not enough for me" or "it's very close". They are responsible for this and the PGMOL are the only ones who can fix it yet they don't seem to care 1 bit. 3. "Last one was a stonewall pen" - Agreed. I'm a Villa fan so I really don't care but it's just wrong and the fact that the PGMOL can be so incompetent and there won't be any repercussions makes me feel sick.

[@andreels4338]

I'm an everton supporter, and all 3 were clear pens. It's insane how corrupt this league is.

[@mi-di2jy]

Not the handball

[@thedeepesthat4029]

Which one?​@@mi-di2jy

[@felixfernando2751]

@@mi-di2jyit has been given many many times mate… why is this any different?

[@mm89coyr]

Forest fan. Hope we both stay up. Tbf if the handballs given against you you’d be gutted it is close. But if it’s haaland getting kicked through the officials on the day are giving it and dermots sucking them off for how good the decision is. The league is corrupt. Have to say I know Everton, Burnley wolves have had some shockers as well. But with Forest it’s genuinely been every game since November apart from one where these things have happened. And that is a bit of a joke. Seems like they’re out for the owner tbh. Granted we give soft goals away every game and the money hasn’t been spent well. But if your having game changing decisions every game very blatantly go against you I can understand why the club is saying g corruption. Also a technical point at the city ground there’s not enough cameras for the offsides. And no cameras on the Clough stand side for checking handballs or penalty claims on that side. Good luck to Everton lad, club should be in the prem. And by history an Irish team so I hope we’re both staying up.

[@SenorKristobbalVLog]

@@felixfernando2751 if similar ones were given, they shouldn't have been

[@mobeastcave3004]

After Nottingham Forest made that statement, there’s no way anyone from the Premier League or PGMOL will admit to any of those penalties. But we all know the truth, even Dermot knows those are penalties

[@luckysamurai]

And he said the third was

[@mp14446]

Dermot has got football knowledge in his hair

[@unknown1859]

Zero

[@jameshansing5396]

@@unknown1859yea that was the joke 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@YourDad-h8u]

I can't tell you no more he's another one that can't talk will be fired

[@unknown1859]

​@jameshansing5396 yea I got the joke.

[@Mister.Curious]

😂😂

[@mujeebahmed7940]

10 minutes of dermot protecting his referee mates 😮

[@VaeVictis96]

Didn't he just say the 3rd one should've been given? Quit ya crying

[@Manuel-ld5iy]

Why are Sky paying him for this though. Everyone is in agreement it’s a pen apart from this little merry band of dweebs (Gallagher, Dean and current refs) it’s truly bizarre.

[@nmz3450]

Everytime I hear the phrase clear and obvious, I want to lose it

[@falc56]

@@VaeVictis96 There We Are Then...

[@chrispalmer7893]

@@VaeVictis96 No, he didn't quite say that. He said it could have been. But he kept saying that even if Atwell had been sent to the screen he still might not have given it. I think what people here are detecting is that Dermot approaches these segments with a mindset of trying as hard as he can to justify the referee's decision, and the contortions he often has to perform get there render it a pointless exercise. Can't remember the last one of these where I - or juding by the comments, most other people - came away with an improved understanding of the situations covered.

[@robertblais5016]

You should rename this show, "Why we agree with the referee's mistake".

[@snillchills9032]

6:52 - 6:56 you can actually see him thinking here "maybe I've kind of gotten away with defending the first two...but am I getting paid enough to try and defend the 3rd?"

[@JamesJamesamy]

I think I speak for a lot of fans here saying we are fed up of sky sports, Dermot Gallagher, and the sky sports pundits all defending the blatant incompetent refereeing this season! PGMOL is a disgrace!

[@user-kg9rt3jh1z]

Quit watching it then

[@stefanfernandez7680]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@user-kg9rt3jh1z is that one of Neville, Carragher or Dermot?

[@user-kg9rt3jh1z]

@@stefanfernandez7680 no it's not 🤣 the refereeing has been poor this season I agree but what I find more off a disgrace is that forest missed two great chances in wood and Gibbs white also the defending was a disgrace for the two Everton goals, my point is players and officials make mistakes all the time , you just have to get on with it and move on, their is no conspiracy or corruption going on, wrong decisions has been going on all season for alot of teams, if Gibbs white and wood put their chances away and got a result at Everton nobody would be talking about the bad decision made,disgrace is a strong word.

[@stefanfernandez7680]

@@user-kg9rt3jh1z but you said to someone to stop watching if they weren’t happy. Like people aren’t allowed to have an opinion? If people don’t speak up no chance of any change. I would prefer for the incompetence and inconsistencies in officiating being fixed rather than defended by the media. Don’t give them the excuse mistakes happen all the time, they shouldn’t - you wouldn’t accept that in any other job. There does need to be accountability

[@user-kg9rt3jh1z]

@@stefanfernandez7680 yes people should stop watching if they aren't happy with other people's opinions or they get that frustrated, my son watch the game on Sunday and because the referee didn't make the right decision he swore and called the referee so I've grounded him, it's unacceptable swearing or the calling the referee because off a bad decision like footballers they are human and mistakes will always happen, what var and the officials need to do is try and learn from these mistakes and move forward, but abusing and calling officials is unacceptable when you playing or watching the gsme

[@MrBocco1]

1:55 You can't "shift" the rules half way through a season, that's the point... changing how a penalty can be treated from game to game or month to month is exactly the issue. When the goalposts are constantly moving there is no consistency therefore no equality. PGMOL need investigating, its gone on too long and they've demonstrated their complete inadequacy too many times as of late. Dermot is searching for reasons to justify the ref decisions, he's not impartial in the slightest. Completely biased.

[@iancoughlan5]

Yep. I was going to comment something similar. I personally like a higher threshold for a foul/penalty, but changing the rules with 6 weeks left in the season is not on.

[@FelixGallardo1946]

@@iancoughlan5I don’t think the rules have changed, I think thats just Dermot trying to justify a reason as to why they weren’t given. Would bet my house on similar incidents happening in the next couple of weeks and they’ll be given. No doubt in my mind

[@amosabwabati9862]

Spot on!

[@makei89]

I couldn't agree more

[@iancoughlan5]

@@FelixGallardo1946 Yeah, you're right there.

[@MarshallZelder]

Why the hell are sky sports using still images rather than footage

[@benjamincorbett]

Licensing. On the tv they show the whole clip, not on KZbin.

[@justmatt7931]

3 stonewall blatant pens. The handball one, it stops the ball going to Chris Wood and therefore denies a goalscoring opportunity- penalty kick

[@mi-di2jy]

Never

[@johnburns4017]

*Nonsense.*

[@buggyman95]

What is the point of a feature where an apparent expert is just going to ignore what he's seeing and blindly agree with the body he once belonged to 😂

[@WRNWRW]

this is part of being "expert" these days, you are being paid by big corporations to shill for them

[@thusspakemike1204]

I'm sure he said the 3rd one was a definite pen? What you chatting u blirt

[@Youafool500]

@@thusspakemike1204He said the first one was not a pen, forget the 3rd one, Young got a habit of doing that, watch on Wednesday if he gets in that situation again, he is clumsy

[@stephenkay3048]

Michael oliver top tier y Taylor Webb who else citeeeeee couppet 😎😎😎e

[@DanTheMan-yx9vw]

Almost like watching the BBC

[@davidatkinson-lifematters4826]

That first incident confirms that Dermot Gallagher isn't worth listening to. Joke level of judgement.

[@Bleech606]

Anyone who thinks that ridiculous dive is worthy of penalty needs their head looking at.

[@omarshatila7940]

@@Bleech606Go watch another sport. Football is clearly not for you.

[@samkhan5661]

Exactly.."Referee has the best view"..yet,there is an Everton player blocking his view 😂

[@MichaelMyers_78]

Agreed! The first two were definitely not penalty worthy, for the first incident Young makes minimal contact with the Forest lad and he went down far too easily, for the second incident Young's arms were in a natural position as he was running and as he attempted to block the cross, he can't have his arms behind his back, have some sense people! Now the final incident was a stonewall penalty, Young went through the back of him, it was a definite foul! Forest's statement was ridiculous, Atwell is a professional, they shouldn't suggest he was biased and two of he decisions were correct and Atwell wasn't the on field referee!

[@Justin-yt8zv]

​@@MichaelMyers_78whilst I get your opinion that the first was not enough for a pen....by current standards of penalties we see given week in week out.... that's a stone wall pen. If you want to start a discussion on penalties being too soft that's fine but that tackle in the box from young would be a pen 98% of the time by standards now and anywhere else it's a free kick.

[@impossiblemovies323]

"Not all contact is a foul". Tell that to Casemiro after the Wolves game. The inconsistancy is a joke!!

[@3dge7]

The young handball is way worse than the Wan bisaka handball in the cup. Wan bisaka was moving his hand towards his body. Referring in England is a joke

[@pusb_87english63]

Give it a rest both were pens then Coventry were cheated out of the game

[@dylanblack8714]

@@pusb_87english63when does he say wan bisaka’s handball wasn’t a pen

[@AyanfeOlodumare]

Wait till you see refereeing in La Liga 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@DanTheMan-yx9vw]

​@@pusb_87english63yet Grealish's wasn't 🤷

[@sahithkarna7845]

@pusb_87english63 how were they cheated out of the game??

[@EbrahimLPatel]

These three just have a pub discussion and don't even question the main issue - why the hell did VAR not step in for any of the three penalties?!

[@makei89]

Especially the third one as the referee showed the signs that defender did play the ball, which he didn't? What a nonsense

[@PROgaming-fm6yu]

Need to stop using the phrase “clear and obvious!” And change it to protect my mates!

[@AngadSodhi]

I feel like they did discuss why VAR did not intervene very well. Probably the only thing right about this 10 minute convo. IMO the real question should be how can they improve the process so it's not so person dependent

[@DRIVER-SEBVET]

Cause it's a Luton fan 😂😂😂😂

[@garethmccartan3636]

It's called corruption

[@ledzepaldo]

Shouldn't VAR just check if there's a foul and not if the referee has made a mistake? it causes so much grey areas if you are checking for a mistake

[@jamza4life]

problem here is people at the top not taking accountability and responsibility, we will continue to have this kind of incompetence this ex ref should not be allowed to review

[@ponyboycurtis3795]

So Ashley Young comes through the back of the guy and clearly makes enough contact to take him out in the area and somehow Dermot Gallagher doesn't think that is a penalty? Wow 🤦‍♂️

[@frankonah8055]

Did you even watch the video? Dermot clearly said the last one's a penalty

[@Koen030NL]

@@frankonah8055 OP was talking about the first one.

[@giorgiob8464]

@@frankonah8055 He meant the first one. That's a pen as well.

[@ponyboycurtis3795]

@@frankonah8055 yes I watched the video but I think the question is more a case of "Did you even read my comment" as I quite clearly mention the first one where Ashley Young comes through with the tackle from behind...the other two comments quite correctly have already pointed this out and they had no problem in reading and understanding what I said so to quote the legendary film Usual Suspects "it was your mistake..not mine" 😉😂

[@ratio2007]

im a Derby fan and i wish the worst on Forest but theres no denying that all three are clear penalties!

[@gamatoutsikos]

That sums it up

[@keithc9461]

Good for you 😂

[@chasfleming]

As a Derby fan absolutely agree with you.

[@ratio2007]

@@keithc9461 not good for them though

[@DTM4581]

They put a Luton supporter in the VAR box to troll Forest’s owner appointing Clattenburg.

[@oliver.s2165]

What a tremendous waste of time & money creating this segment. Scrap it .

[@juvwon]

Slowly and Surely, the evidence for the bias of referees and the complicity of the PGMOL is being shown for what is it.

[@LukeD-Always]

Normally I would agree that refs tend to lean towards big clubs, but I’m baffled by refereeing the last few years, there isn’t a club 8n the league that can’t put together a compilation of shambolic decisions. The whole system is broke and clearly there is a culture among th PGMOL officials to back their mates

[@iremakinde3853]

​@@LukeD-Alwayscity can't they only had one delicious gone wrong

[@juvwon]

@@LukeD-Always 💯

[@simonb1996]

Defending the ref, instead of giving a true professional opinion.

[@TabsT-vy5jy]

Host: Dermot good morning Dermot: the ref got it right Host: ok well lets spend an hour twaddling on about the decisions.

[@kasarabian3274]

Handball rule is a complete farce. You are deciding games on accidental handball. Go back to deliberate handball.

[@theduck6078]

Absolute corruption 😂, we just can't trust you lot anymore, need a complete overhaul on the refereeing authorities

[@U_Too]

Protecting Corruption Protecting Corruption Protecting Corruption Protecting Corruption Protecting Corruption

[@davidhanson1849]

Dermot says the officials did everything right and this takes corruption out of the question 🤔🤔 b💩💩💩💩💩💩 it's about time officials got same punishment as forest will get

[@anxiousmindmusic]

VAR is the perfect way to fix matches

[@Steve-wn8us]

no consistency is the main issue. If that same incident (first one) was at City with Foden taken down it would have been given 99/100. the Handball was even worse, arm is out and we have seen them given all season. Not a Forest fan but they were robbed!

[@jodashpillay7740]

Why is demot still working at Sky.

[@connorpiercy199]

They really just did a 10 minute segment doing mental gymnastics on why they weren't penalities. Bad contact in the penalty box, Pen. If AG against westham was a pen this was. How that handball isn't a pen is a joke, saying that "its just how fullbacks move" is a joke. Third one he literally dragged him down in the boxes not even trying to go for the ball. Joke, skysports getting that PGMOL money. Shameful

[@thusspakemike1204]

He said the third one was a definite penalty you spoon

[@sopronunciareglignocchi7255]

You mean mental gymnastics.

[@kevdaag2523]

But I think the panel cast at least for voted for there being a penalty. Maybe you didn't stay till the end

[@connorpiercy199]

@@kevdaag2523 Yeah I was writing while watching and at the end I heard them give a maybe even tho its definitely a yes, so they get a half mark for that. still a 0.5/10

[@foxy1067]

So Kalvin Philips gets a penalty called against him for kick through a player he didnt even see until too late, yet these penalties not called? VAR ridiculious!!!

[@finalfrontier001]

same thing with PhilFoden nk one was complaining about that.

[@hubertcraig442]

Is dermot looking at it objectively or just there to defend referees bad decision

[@1977Suspiria]

Coventry got a penalty against United for exactly the same incident as Forest & Chelsea didn't get one for this weekend. The issue is the fact the other two were not given by the referee on the pitch but the Coventry one was & VAR almost never overturn the ref's decision unless it's so blatantly clear there's zero debate of it being a penalty. They need to change that because we've seen so many inconsistencies as a result, it's silly. Either all these are given as penalties or none of them are, simple as.

[@Nunyabusiness40]

Every other game has different rules. Insane what City and the Pgmol have done to the integrity of the league

[@amosabwabati9862]

Yup, I did mention the United incident & how it was given against United.

[@ashwilliams4959]

It's all about the final outcome. If forest win the game, the relegation battle becomes less interesting. For Chelsea, it was vs varchester city don't really need to say much more and for Coventry, you can't have a championship team making the final the same week we're cutting games. But yeah it's just inconsistent and not corrupt at all. All these decisions work for 1 thing.. the most profitable outcomes

[@libby4608]

@@ashwilliams4959according to you Cityphobes we’re a small club, yet we somehow have enough sway to make decisions go our way? Make it make sense please and pick a side.

[@danyalahmed8144]

​@@libby4608 small club, rich owners there u go that's your answer

[@phizocyril3489]

Any of the 3 could have been a penalty. Stop defending nonsense!!!

[@jameshansing5396]

“Could have been” could…. Quite crucial

[@phizocyril3489]

@@jameshansing5396 yea “ could” if we are being honest with ourselves and it was any of the top teams it happened to. Surely 1 of them would have been given.

[@joeroberts7298]

@@phizocyril3489 swings and roundabouts, like everton havent been denied obvious penalties in the last few seasons.

[@TheGiantKillers]

I don't follow Forest but hearing from Huddersfield fans that they owe their Premier League existence to benefiting from two dodgy penalty calls in the play-offs. Moral of the story, you win some, you lose some.

[@TomTom-oh9up]

@@joeroberts7298because that justifies more wrong calls 🙄🙄 you people are disgraceful, ruin the sport.

[@DeadZeppelin822]

The fact that they only show specific still shots of the fouls and not the full video clips says a lot

[@johnblacksmith9505]

The one consistent things all season are THE REFS AND VAR ARE A JOKE and have proved this every game week ALL SEASON!

[@rickylovesyou]

The best and most neutral method of analysing this is on the referee online forums, the amatuer and professional refs there will rate the refs on there performance, needless to say this ref didnt do all to well. 😂

[@lewishague123]

This bald guy doesn’t have a clue

[@pusb_87english63]

I didn’t call you boldy boldy

[@deadby2moro]

Oh, I assure you he has a clue. He knows what he needs to do to line his pockets.

[@jackreacher8858]

@@deadby2moro YUP

[@TheAlexZorba]

The bald dude is the epitome of a corporate stooge.

[@breakingaustin]

Coventry got a penalty against Wan Bissaka yesterday for a literal carbon copy of the Young handball.. this is the most blatant disregard for consistency I have seen to date.. I get that it's 2 different referees and 2 different VAR teams, but there has to be a ruleset they stick to.. otherwise this is gonna keep happening. And don't ask Dermot anymore, I would put my house on him backing his mates everytime. He only didn't on the last one because not even City's lawyers could defend that. And the fact that even Dermot couldn't agree witht the ref shows just how badly they got it wrong. This needs fixing and fixing now.

[@thomasfarrelly778]

I’m an Everton fan and the 1st & 3rd are stone wall penalties. The 2nd is never a pen, but since they changed the rules from deliberate handball, then that gets given most weeks, especially for the “top 6”. There’s no consistency and referees are 100% biased. We’ve been on the receiving end of some shocking decisions so good on forest for calling it out.

[@markodoherty2939]

Nonsense like this is what keeps dermot Gallagher making a living out of the game

[@hity7026]

These must be the worst excuses ive ever witnessed

[@kb4903]

If this was man city, every one would have been a penalty.

[@neilfitzsimmons1800]

Absolutely...VAR is owned by Sheikh Mansour.

[@happyaslarry5839]

Not against em though😂

[@iremakinde3853]

​@@happyaslarry5839😂

[@finalfrontier001]

​@@neilfitzsimmons1800How come City never got 3 penalties against Chelsea in 1:1.

[@nuudelz3711]

@@finalfrontier001how come graelish didn’t get one but wan bissaka did. Same occurrence same field same box same game scenario

[@Manuel-ld5iy]

Why are you paying Dermot Gallagher to come on to defend his mate when everyone including himself knows the decisions were incorrect. Bizarre.

[@davidrice6224]

I think the real concern is that a feather touch on Reyna's foot has caused him such incredible pain and caused him to hurl himself to the ground. Thoughts and prayers to Reyna - hope he recovers eventually.

[@gamingst8835]

this section would benefit from actually showing the similar decision in previous games. So we don't feel like we're all going insane. WE'VE ALL SEEN these exact same decisions given, let dermot tell us how's it's not a pen

[@thee0ryx939]

Refs in the prem: 2+2=76 🙃

[@tinsaederesse9173]

I thought it was 22

[@perrylindsay6682]

no its 5 because they always get it wrong

[@richihead10]

A near exact penalty given against wan bissaka on the same day and yet he says Ashley young would be harshly treated if they gave it, I can’t keep up

[@tm2204]

Problem is not what is or isn't defined as a penalty... Its that the same incindents are not treated the same consistently. Week by week, game by game the decisions are different and not consistent and that's the big issue here.

[@Irisishunter]

I am not questioning their integrity I am denying it's existence

[@joelnetope5826]

All those are penalties, omg

[@anthonymcguire452]

Totally pointless discussion none of these decisions was given as a penalty. This will not make any fan feel better. Incidentally Everton have been denied 4 clear cut penalty’s this season. One was at Forest away

[@JimSmith-jb5yf]

If that had been any of the top 5 there would have been 3 penalties given ! Forest have had so many dubious decisions against them it this season. Well done Forest I am with you.

[@maxspencer1151]

00:54 the hosts face says it all 😂😂😂

[@NoFrictionZone]

It was worth going back! 😂😂😂

[@jc-16.]

Deemot giving all irish people a bad name with his constant lying.

[@mr-triathlon]

Utter rubbish TV, Dermot said light contact is not a penalty and that the trend we've seen. Wan Bassaka never touched the Liverpool player and apprantly a certain pen...he's an utter disgrace and knows nothing about football

[@Apheel-A-Bitsick]

It's simple...if the hand/arm moves to the ball it's a handball...if the ball hits the hand/arm it's not. If the toe/foot is beyond the last mans toe/foot when the ball is played, it's offside. If the last mans toe/foot is beyond the attackers when the ball is played, it's onside. If the challenge prevents a goal scoring opportunity it's a penalty, if the player goes down because he felt contact it's not a penalty. Is this difficult? And I'm certainly no rocket scientist.

[@markhorley]

what a joker this guy is… not enough… nonsense Dermot.

[@cemawi]

Shame on all of you for supporting this. Clear penalties

[@flashgordon3350]

Not at all. All 3 were actually subjective and therefore not clear. Ref was right on all 3.

[@cicstommy]

Regarding Gallagher's explanation of the Young - Reyna incident, surely increasing the tolerance threshold (for physical contact inside the box) at any point during the season results in an unfair advantage towards teams that have benefited from the lower threshold earlier in the season as they were more likely to receive a penalty for such challenges.

[@nardu]

"The threshold has changed in the last few weeks" How can that be an explanation? It just implies double standards

[@lukesaunders388]

Lol van dijk got sent off for a similar foul than that first one.

[@Nunyabusiness40]

And it was a straight red card with no apology afterwards, so therefore pgmol think this is stonewall pen and a red card.. unless you aren’t in a title race with city apparently

[@bobsocks7575]

@@Nunyabusiness40Oh my days, someone’s a little obsessed with Man City 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@snowman6995]

@@bobsocks7575shhh

[@simonlewis720]

@@bobsocks7575hes right though isn’t he

[@bobsocks7575]

@@simonlewis720 Nope

[@kyleeasty1422]

As a mutual fan first one is a penalty , second one would be given if it’s a top6 team so to me it’s a penalty and third one is 100% a penalty , watched it live and it’s a blatant foul , if it was outside the box it’s a penalty so it’s a penalty simple

[@EvenMadderMax]

The first one was a blatant dive, he gets touched but it doesn't make him go down, he dives. The second one shouldn't be a handball, but the way the stupid rule is worded it's 100% a pen. The third, is a blatant penalty. The inconsistency is the biggest issue, sometimes things are given one game, then the next week, exactly the same thing and no penalty.

[@user-kq4oq5uo1v]

The last three or four weeks? So you’re saying there is no consistency throughout the season?!

[@D_Dubbz]

The foul on Reyna, Crystal Palace got a similar penalty at home to Liverpool. VAR were happy to intervene then. Such a lack of consistency

[@tyler328]

Problem is that them pens have been given..and I bet they'll get given in the next few weeks.. the media reaction to this is mind blowing

[@marcryan7800]

But they’ve given those ones all year long and now suddenly they’re not pens

[@scott3232]

Fact of the matter is with the first two especially we have seen loads of penalties given for the exact same things and the third one was a stonewall penalty which the ref has clearly made a clear error saying he played the ball, yet VAR still don't intervene to say you are wrong have another look so when you add all three together, no wonder Forrest are furious that not even one was given in such a vital match. There was a penalty given just recently when a player blatantly stuck his foot in front of a defender mid kick to clear the ball, comes from behind the defender and just puts his foot in to get kicked and they gave a penalty for it, the first one yes looks minimum contact but he still kicks the back of his foot which could be painful even when it looks not much. The handball, he has made himself bigger by having his hand and arm like that whilst trying to stop a cross, by doing it he has stopped it going into a dangerous position and a possible scoring opportunity, it should be a penalty, and again we have seen plenty given for the exact same thing.

[@tmvincent90]

Sorry but if ur crossing the ball and it hits the fullbacks arm / hand and stopping it from going into the box then that’s hand ball 100% no questions , it’s crazy that they don’t think that’s hand ball

[@adam.677]

They have brainwashed the nation to think handball is not handball. Its just an accident. His hand was in a natural position so it doesn't count. What a load of fake crap

[@PorthLlwyd]

Go and read the rule book

[@adam.677]

@@PorthLlwyd yeah, just change the rules and then that makes it OK 👍 are you for real or what?

[@PorthLlwyd]

@@adam.677 the original post said any striking of the arm that stops the ball going into the box is "hand ball 100% no questions". The current rules say otherwise. So yes, I am "for real".

[@adam.677]

@@PorthLlwyd they change the rules every year guy, sometimes in the middle of the season. So then some pathetic idiot like you can go "REaD the rULeS... its in thE ruLe bOOk" you are the perfect example of a brainwashed fool. Well done👍

[@HeavenlyAlien]

V dijk got a red card for that at Newcastle

[@Dabellious]

The problem is inconsistency. They're applying the rules differently now, not how they started the season. I thought the P in PGMOL stood for Professional ? As to the 'arms out' thing, Ashley Youngs arms are way out from his body, Forest don't get a penalty. Just a couple of hours later, The Man U defenders arms are closer to his body, but Coventry City DO get the penalty. Well done Forest for calling out the abysmal standards in the so-called best league in the world

[@TeamCGS2005]

Dermot says "there's been a slight shift insofar as the physical contact" and a "higher threshold", then says "as people get used to it". Well how can anyone get used to it when a/ that shift in refereeing isn't even shared with the public b/ it seems to change on a whim with a distinct lack of consistent refereeing decisions? That's a complete and utter cop out Dermot and you know it.

[@JasonBebopp343]

Imagine asking a former criminal about his criminal mates. Thats criminal

[@abdulkadirkabar792]

😂

[@Foyzul06]

That's how 90 percent of the world works these days

[@JonathanFoster-mb9gw]

Wow look at these puppets coming together to go against the fans trying to control the narrative there a digrace

[@JamesHussain82]

You sound extremely dim.

[@WRNWRW]

@@JamesHussain82 he stated truth, after fans backlash they need to shill even harder

[@JamesHussain82]

@@WRNWRW no he didn't. Two of the three "puppets" said 2 of the 3 were pens. And the other "puppet" said 1 was and the others weren't. The handball isn't a nailed on penalty.

[@thusspakemike1204]

They're a disgrace* lmao. I'm sure he said the 3rd was a definite pen?

[@TomTom-oh9up]

@@JamesHussain82you are dense 😂

[@briancannam494]

VAR was developed and introduced to 1) help referee's where there is a possibility they did not clearly see an incident. 2) aid where a referee or linesperson cannot tell if a player was offside at a particular moment. There are a lot of scenarios that were meant to be overcome by its introduction and clubs paid a lot of money out to put it in and pay for its use. There have been a few incidents during the season where VAR did not live up to the expectations of the clubs and fans, so how are they supposed to raise the issue?? who do you go to if your club feels aggrieved that decisions were taken that were not correct?? With millions of pounds at stake it is not unreasonable to want to question the process . We need and deserve a system that is above reproach, that's why the police have a separate complaints system which does not rely on policing oneself. VAR needs to have a quality control check on itself to make sure it is as good as it thinks it is.

[@droidgeist]

Absurd justifications. 1) Changing thresholds during the course of a season?? This is the definition of inconsistent refereeing, and allows them to make it up as they go along. 2) The reluctance to overturn the on-field decision is a crazy consideration to begin with. They should always be looking for the right decision, regardless of what the on-field decision was.

[@politicalscientist8880]

If there's a higher threshold for contact recently they should ANNOUNCE IT

[@HoldMyTube]

If AWB v Coventry is a Pen this is ABSOLUTELY a pen.

[@jasonsmith7737]

Could not agree more , thank you !

[@andrewcoxon5214]

None were penalties in the 90s, no way… so none were penalties for me… Forest lost because they didn’t score enough goals

[@KaRan-suii]

Well we are not in the 90s

[@rorymclaughlin1609]

It’s not the 90’s

[@MrDukey85]

It's not the 90s

[@steventhompson9894]

@andrewcoxon5214... You're comment is as useless at this comical show that's broadcast for an hour every week.

[@ianwhite3616]

😂 what a ridiculous comment,and Dermot Gallagher probably had some hair then as well but like your comment all totally irrelevant to this argument.

[@davidmcmanus2464]

Mike Dean admitted when he retired that he did not call a colleague to the screen to avoid him further embarrassment. How do we know if the referees are not being swayed by other factors?

[@steveabram7950]

So half way through the season, you change the rules?? Joke of an organization!

[@lukebarker547]

Wonder how much Professor X is getting paid by PGMOL

[@BRENDANGOSS1974]

@1:05 "WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WE DON'T SANITSE THE GAME." Meanwhile on Sunday during Coventry V Man U what would have been one of the greatest FA Cup goals of all time was disallowed for a player's toes being offside!!!

[@Kris-69]

They didn't mind VAR when Huddersfield were denied 2 penalties in the play off final. They celebrated it and mocked the opposition. Even sang songs praising the Ref and VAR at their victory parade. Oh how it hurts when you are on the receiving end eh.

[@Deadline24Hours]

Two penalties not given, Everton should be deducted 10 points, and they should be given to Man City. Long live PGMOL, sponsored by sportswashers world wide.

[@iremakinde3853]

Give varchester city treble part 2

[@finalfrontier001]

No such thing as sportswashing, made up liberal term that has no value or meaning.

[@tylerkiss3707]

If the ref gave all 3 pens he would say they were all pens don’t listen to these frauds

[@101RadioheadCovers]

If he had given all 3 it wouldn't even be a discussion because they were clear penalties.

[@robertprees603]

Exactly he would definitely had said it was.

[@telski33]

The question is would the ref have given it if VAR wasn't in play or are they letting it go and letting VAR work it out, which is a massive change from where we used to be and if that's the case we need to take away the decision making away from the ref completely if they haven't got confidence in their own judgement

[@waynepilgrim9476]

You can't begin to change what a penalty is towards the end of the season....its either a pen or its not.....and throughout the season they all have been.

[@hyywe240]

These hand balls are crazy. Its a penalty for wan bissaka, not a pentalty against thomas in the same game. Not a penalty for grealish against Chelsea. This is all in a couple of days

[@creepingbrain]

The grealish one was terrible. 10 yards between grealish and the ball, and it wasn't exactly hammered at him. Why that one wasn't given is unfathomable.

[@niohnewold399]

All three are penalties by the letter of the law. Sure the rules are stupid, but you cannot punish teams for the stupidity of the law. In fact, the handball is a penalty more than many handball penalties that are given. You can’t just apply the law sometimes and don’t apply it other times because the law is stupid.

[@plipogamez3173]

This discussion demonstrates how difficult it is to apply the new rules consistently. Let us rewind the rules to twenty years ago when we had tough competitive football, with robust rules that were easy to apply and understand.

[@goatfather5711]

Partizans exits in sports and real life, get rid of that ref and bring in an ex referee from another league who has no affiliations.