You've Got Snail | The Glass Cannon Podcast C2 E34 | Pathfinder 2E Gatewalkers

A jungle river crossing is interrupted by a giant snail-like creature.
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[@DaSkwire]

Think Troy has chosen "Tombstone" levelling over "Milestone" 😮

[@TheGlassCannon]

Bottlecap!

[@DaSkwire]

@@TheGlassCannon I'm open to bids for it from the cast 😁

[@KillerKabel]

Dragon Ball style 😂

[@michaelmunsey5660]

I felt so bad for the players in this episode. This combat illustrates exactly why hero points are a necessary part of the Pathfinder 2E system. I feel like the party needs a front line melee combatant in the form of a barbarian or a champion, a character with high hit points or a high AC or both.

[@aaronsmith3375]

At least Joe is consistent with his anti-player rule's lawyering, "No, I refuse to be fed a magical healing fruit if I'm unconscious."

[@bernard832]

Hubert Hedge is not the problem. He's just a cute woodland creature. The problem is letting Troy control a cute woodland creature.

[@davidk8699]

Magus Tip - you start combat able to Spell Strike. You only need to recharge after you use it.

[@VanillaNukaCola]

Hubert making the players so salty that the snail should have just instantly melted

[@BluOtter17]

Demoralize, Feint, Shove, these are just some of the options that can help these encounters

[@LightningRaven42]

Yeah. But what hurt most in this encounter was the incredibly poor rolls. You simply can't play around that unless you have a few Hero Points. One of the reasons why you get a Hero Point every session, is even out these tough situations where nobody is rolling well.

[@grandchampion7275]

yeah this is what they need to see. PF2e benefits a lot from cooperation.

[@tangeu]

Doesn't really help if everyone goes down in one hit and can't roll over a 5

[@LightningRaven42]

@@tangeu Yes. This is the main issue. The rolls are simply not on their side. But, when you look at it, nobody has died in this fight(except Tallitha with her 2 on a Dying 2 save they missed).

[@tangeu]

@@LightningRaven42 Right and I'm not looking for them to steamroll, that's no fun either, but it can't be as normal as they make it seem for every combat, round 1, turn 1, action 1, someone goes to dying. How long has that streak been?

[@luminousmage]

My heart dropped when Matthew said "Natural 2" on his Recovery Check at Dying 2 thinking Tallitha just died but then the moment just passed by so fast I guess that everyone missed it. Natural 2 being a Crit fail for the DC 12 Recovery check was remembered later in the episode as dramatic buildup on Brother Ramius and Asta's Recovery Rolls so I guess Tallitha got a lucky 2nd leash on life for the remainder of this stress inducing episode.

[@Chadius]

Let's RP it as her mother saving her for later...

[@byronkern2295]

We Are Stupid is going to be chunky next week

[@rRekano]

Spoler alert much..

[@PaulDrussel]

Also spotted that and gasped! Then has a sigh of relief when it was missed

[@byronkern2295]

@@rRekano you’re in the comments for a video… if you read these before watching it that’s 100% on you

[@aaronh.2496]

I’m here to be positive and grateful for glass canon for providing free, hilarious content each week. Practicing gratitude is good for my mental health instead of being negative, which is not. Thanks glass canon :)

[@TheGlassCannon]

Thank you!

[@khronos3132]

Just some tactics suggestions. Maybe Professor Eric can include some insight on these during We Are Stupid in addition to his great rules clarifications: The extra range from a Longbow is only helpful if the character using it is desperate to avoid damage by staying away from danger. Kate’s monk has the highest AC and saves in the whole party, so using a Longbow’s 50 feet of range in Monastic Archer stance instead of 30 with a Shortbow to avoid hits more frequently is not a huge game changer. In fact, it would probably be a good thing if Kate got attacked more, to help share the burden with Sydney. Monks also have a very high movespeed to easily get within 30 feet of enemies if she were using a Shortbow, and Flurry of Blows makes spending the action to Stride far less punishing. As mentioned in a few other comments, Monastic Archer stance only limits the range of bow shots that use Flurry of Blows and other Monk abilities. Kate wouldn’t need to drop the stance to fire a Shortbow at 60 feet as a regular Strike if she needed to. This has mostly come up on Sydney’s turns, but attacking from the ground is basically never worth it when an attack roll is involved. Being on the ground makes you Off-Guard to all enemy attacks (-2 AC, makes getting crit easier), including ranged attacks, and reduces your attack roll by -2. Standing up is a valuable action investment on the offensive and defensive sides of the coin. Even if it is a spellcaster forcing a save on the enemy, standing up would still be valuable for the defense improvement from losing Off-Guard if an enemy will be attacking soon. It’s not about dodging the hit, it’s about making the crit less likely, which will likely keep the character conscious for an extra turn. The current party struggles to make enemies Off-Guard, which might be a consideration if backup characters need to get made. Either 2 characters who consistently go into melee for flanking, or a way to trip enemies to make them Off-Guard would drastically help this very ranged-attack focused party to hit more frequently.

[@khronos3132]

A note I just thought of for Matthew is to have a default plan for when an inevitable poor Devise a Stratagem roll happens. Recall Knowledge is always great but that is still only 2 out of 3 actions for the turn. Moving into flanking for Sydney does not have an immediate impact, but if it helps her land a big Spellstrike then it is totally worth it. Maybe even getting a Buckler or a Wooden/Steel Shield to raise as an action sink to make it less dangerous while flanking when Recall Knowledge has already been done could be a nice option. Also, Aid is amazing and is a great use of an Action+Reaction at pretty much every stage of the game. Skid could potentially look for some additional turns to Aid as well instead of using the Shield cantrip (obviously depends how close to danger Buggles is). Another general tactic to keep in mind is Delay to line up party actions in a favorable way. This has been used to good effect in multiple instances in previous episodes, but just something to keep looking for.

[@Chyll07]

This encounter is just stunningly crazy at this level, and then the die roll situation turned it into a disaster. I've experienced campaigns that just folded in situations this dire.

[@trevorvanconant7979]

Is Kate the Joe of the AP? KATE'S GONNA ROLL

[@thorinbane]

Kate needs to throw away the bow, retrain into something else and she will likely start hitting. The dice gods don't want her using that weapon.

[@CrimsonXenoProduct]

I AM SO EXCITED FOR THE STARFINDER 2E PLAYTEST YOUVE NO IDEA, while I found out and started watch from Giant Slayer, Androids and Aliens was the BEST story ya'll told and the best adventure that you've played imo

[@briza_md]

A&A got me hooked as well :) Might re-listen/watch it sometime

[@landremon]

@@briza_mdfor me its a once a year thing. 😅

[@LiveRaidei]

A&A was the goat series

[@yurchakt]

A 2e edition of Androids and Aliens would be so good!

[@thatJoshieJosh]

Honestly, from a rules and world perspective Starfinder was the least thing I was interested in, but I loved the entire A&A campaign because of how amazing those characters were.

[@stewartthorpe2533]

Skid, I just want to let you know that at least 2 people got your pearl of great price reference. I'm one of them 😂

[@superwhovianfreak3029]

I'm the other one 😅😂

[@evanvantassell9375]

Another thing: last episode, Troy told them they could easily jump across those rocks without Acrobatics checks, everyone made a point of discussing how it didn't look particularly dangerous. For them to suddenly become treacherous during the encounter seems a little odd (you don't need to make an Acrobatics check to not fall prone when hit by an attack in regular ground combat, so why would you need one to not fall *off* of a stable rock surface?). If they were always treacherous to be on, then that should've been telegraphed last episode and they should've needed to make checks. The team's crossing would very likely have been done differently if they knew there were checks involved, and the combat would've looked very different.

[@playlistb3795]

My guess is it's the difference between having unlimited time to move across compared to having to do so under pressure. But I do agree changes should generally he telegraphed.

[@jayteamoriarty-writer7534]

It's the new Take 10 vs Distracting situation/Combat. Besides they could all still just Leap to side B and run from the fight, it was taking damage.

[@Ebonhawk3829]

44:00 For what its worth: Grab an Edge is a reaction, which is still an action, and you're unable to act when unconcious. The reflex penalty while unconcious is more applicable to taking damage from effects that allow a save.

[@BarklandaOnline]

Yeah this was a free pass from the DM to wave over an early PC death. Honesty was not part of this decision, because if you ask anyone honestly do you think you could grab onto a slippery moss covered rock that a conscious PC mechanically struggled to stay on top of how would an unconscious person with no mental or physical capacity manage to do it without a chance to fail

[@trevorgoodchild2928]

1:37:54 poor Skid looked genuinely broken😢

[@DaSkwire]

Thumbnail: *Asta accidentally sits on Hubert*

[@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb]

'accidentally'

[@JacksonOwex]

@@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb Was just about to do this!!! lol

[@I4MWH014M]

I wonder what they will do with talitha who died but they missed the rule (nat 2 at dying 2)

[@joshhes8719]

I was wondering also what they are going to do. I’m thinking waterfall. 56:59

[@Prinny-gawd]

I was about to post this... they'll probably let it slide, since they missed it in the moment

[@Chadius]

RP time. Just say Mom saved her... for later.

[@nwtbpodcast]

If they recorded 2 more episodes after this on the same day they're screwed with that retcon lol

[@simmonslucas]

"Pearl of Great Price" deep Mormon cut, Skid! My former Mormon ears perked up... lololol

[@LightningRaven42]

Looking through the adventure Path, the book states this is a moderate encounter for a party of 4. But I believe the author of the adventure didn't consider the impact of the Uneven Terrain on the difficulty. Not to mention the river running by. Overall, this was one of those cases where the GM is rolling well and the players are rolling incredibly poorly (get new dice guys!), so it will make any non-trivial battle look more difficult and scary than it is. The same way that players rolling incredibly well will make a Severe encounter look easy. It sucks, but the dice gods are fickle. All we can do is improve our odds.

[@Gargs454]

Yep. The dice rolls were bad. But they also don't often do much to help even the odds. They needed 13s and 14s to hit. Demoralize, Feint, Trip, etc., are all things they can do to help even the odds, but they rarely try to.

[@LightningRaven42]

@@Gargs454 Flanking is the more reliable method against stronger foes. I think Brother Ramius and Buggles need to cast more spells, specially Runic Weapon and other buffs (that don't rely on enemy difficulty). A bit of scouting ahead is welcome as well, although in this case, the snail creature had insane stealth (+12 base and +8 because it was stealthy in a river).

[@Gargs454]

@@LightningRaven42 Oh I agree on flanking. I was just pointing out there are a lot of options they don't even bother to try. The terrain in this encounter was obviously a huge factor and would have made flanking tough, but yes flanking should be an automatic option, then they should still be looking at those other options too.

[@randomyoutubecommenterr]

@@Gargs454 It's hard to Demoralize, Feint etc when you die in one hit.

[@byronkern2295]

Not using Runic Weapon is criminal. You basically double the damage output of someone in the party. Zephyr would be the obvious choice as a recipient but it wouldn’t matter with how Kate had been rolling

[@CarlRichards-fs4ni]

No! That's my favorite character! If they die...I'll just keep watching and enjoy every minute of it. But I will be extremely sad. :(

[@prosocial_lad]

Love a long ep. Really love ‘em

[@brendendroid]

Kate doesn't need to exit her stance if she wants to shoot outside of 50 ft range, she just can't using monk feats/abilities outside of that range.

[@moondude345]

That’s the first time I’ve seen the delta green ad, holy shit am I excited for the next season of delta green!!!!!

[@TheGlassCannon]

We can't wait for you to see it!

[@sparhawkelite1]

I kind of like the edge of your seat of these combats where every encounter could be the last and where every decision matters. Although being only level 2 34 episodes in seems a bit slow but as long as the players are having fun and don't feel cheated seems fine. Also wow, the dice rolls

[@Gargs454]

The tension is good from a viewership perspective, but if every encounter is setup like that, then it's only a matter of time before you get bad dice luck. This is more on the adventure than Troy though. Paizo loves their single enemy encounters.

[@paralysekid]

The thing is, they play like 1h a week lol. Can't level up that much if you're progressing so slowly.

[@paydronian]

On today's episode: Troy learns how horribly unbalanced he made the game when he took away the new sesh bottle caps.

[@chrislaporte8390]

He did say it was going to be a 'Gritty' campaign. Guess that means character deaths aplenty.

[@jasonsansbury]

Yeah. For all his talk of not adjusting it the adventure for party size, that rule change is proving to be utterly brutal, especially with non-nat 20 criticals.

[@Gargs454]

While hero points would help a bit, I think the bigger issues are the really bad rolls by the party (which hero points are still subject to) and the high number of single enemy combats which means said enemy is higher level than the party. Paizo seems to love those fights but while PF2 has a really good encounter building ruleset it is weakest at low levels with enemies higher level than the party. The PCs don't yet have the HP to soak the damage, crits from enemies are very common, and when one PC goes down it can quickly cause the encounter to spiral out of control. On top of that, the party hasn't really been using great tactics and often doesn't understand how their own abilities work. Putting all of this together (including the lack of hero points) and you have a recipe for disaster.

[@BSquare1989]

I agree - I don't really see how Troy's at fault.. I not too familiar with the new rules and abilities, but even I can see that bad rolling is a big, big part of it!

[@jasonsansbury]

The Hero Point system in 2e does 2 things: let you re-roll a bad check and, maybe the most important part for this episode in particular, from the Player Core book, “Spend all your Hero Points (minimum 1) to avoid death. You can do this when your dying condition would increase. You lose the dying condition entirely and stabilize with 0 Hit Points. You don't gain the wounded condition or increase its value from losing the dying condition in this way, but if you already had that condition, you don't lose it or decrease its value.” That option with a Hero Point for every session is a dramatic game changer.

[@nbebiak]

Question for Skid- Is there a story reason why you don't cast any of your 1st rank spells? A soothe would be a huge help to your party.

[@paralysekid]

Yeah it just feels like so many of them are barely using their character's full potential, their whole strategy is just attack attack attack. Not even move. Kate stood around the whole time trying to shoot at MAP -10 instead of preemptively move away when she could clearly see the snail coming. Not saying they need to be master tacticians, but at least SOME tactics would be very good here.

[@Cerif55]

If they do follow through with the failed death save, I think a Thaumaturge would be a cool class for the group. Really good recall knowledge, decent melee damage, lots of utility and potential buffing/debuffing depending on implement, and fits the creepy vibe of the AP so far.

[@Cerif55]

@@GooberNutt Troy never sticks to one character in combat so, a defensive character wouldn't really help them...they need someone to control enemy movements and apply debuffs. They are facing lots of strong, single target encounters and because of that, they can't hit very hard with that monster's AC being so high; and they don't want to pile-in for lots of flanking because those single target enemies also hit really hard.

[@Gargs454]

Fun episode even with the terrible luck. Spoilers: I don't know how its worded in the adventure, but i think Troy was generous in not requiring a save when they "fell". I get it though. Ive been there as a GM where the party is on the verge of a tpk and you want to avoid it if at all possible. Also, really hoping Ramius can pull through. Really love the stoner monk!

[@cursed_walrus]

Have you guys considered rolling better? It really helps.

[@TheGlassCannon]

It has been discussed.

[@missmek1314]

they really need to use hero points properly - or at least play with 1 per session and get bottle caps for cool moments that carry over from one session to the next. this is just ridiculous…

[@deathpunchdingo2981]

Sydney you're thinking too small: Your next character needs to be SEVEN clerics. Troy, ruling suggestion? Change the acrobatics save to when they get HIT, so it technically takes place before damage is applied. I'm sure similar situations will arise again.

[@lorenzovaletti4951]

Yep, that would be my suggestion as well

[@CzarVentus]

Skid watching the curse, which so sooo underrated made my day

[@scottpavageaux3420]

This episode so much packed I listened to the podcast, then needed to watch the KZbin. So good. Epic moments!

[@shadomain7918]

FWIW the quarter level thing is the way Cypher System gmaes work (including Numenera and Old Gods of Appalchia). As Skid said, its seems less weird than sitting with your abilities for months then one day waking up with extra abilities

[@DM-ks1pj]

This ep was sick

[@michaelkentros5120]

I am halfway through this right now and I must admit i am really starting to hope that Hubert is actually a Care Bear and his hug offers are genuine....

[@snuzzlebumble]

Everyone constantly rolling under 10 on the die is brutal. I feel really bad for Kate. Having to roll a 13 or higher is pretty standard for a 5 on 1 encounter. The terrain makes it seem even more difficult, but really it was just cold dice that made this so rough, it happens.

[@nathanhalashewski5217]

Yikes... that was painful. Good thing you guys are so stinkin entertaining! Poor Kate. It is uncanny how bad her rolls are. I would be SOOO angry!

[@LoneWeasel]

This is my favorite combat of campaign 2 so far. I have always been more invested in the story than the combat, but I really liked the way that Troy worked with them this episode that was a pleasant supprise lol. Also I love Hubert, I have no idea why he gets so much hate. Hes just a whittle guy. Also also, Week 3 of asking for a Francis Mic.

[@lw2j]

Side note,just in case this wasn't being factored in, as I recall a low-damage Ignition: "Castrovel’s atmosphere is noticeably denser than Golarion’s and slightly richer in oxygen. ... Any effects that deal fire damage deal an additional 1 fire damage." (from the "Adventures on Castrovel" section).

[@Citizenlyng]

Anyone saying this is a slug fest needs to rewatch and pay closer attention. It's clearly a snail fest, moluscs arent all the same!!

[@kazen5907]

Lol, shout out to Edina. Very funny. Especially because Syd does kind of seem like an Every Day I Need Attention kind of gal.

[@Morten_Z]

What is everyone's Deviant Ability? Would any of them help against this snail battle?

[@dmeep]

You got snail the romantic movie of the season where a couple send snails to each other as a symbol of their love via a magic mailbox made out of cabbage

[@Drogunath]

What an unbelievable episode 🫨

[@ZebMeierWatz]

"you can't barf when you're dying" Put that on a t-shirt

[@standingwavestudio]

Sooo…. Fun bant. Now a question. After the tpk is completed next week will the GCP go back to interviewing everyone in different bars about their backup characters before resuming or…

[@elfinfluff]

Sydney looking like the kind of child's Ballet instructor who demands perfection and gets it by slowly breaking the childrens' psyches with undercutting remarks. Remember: the group doesn't have to outrun the snail: they just have ot outrun Hubert.

[@NerdishNature]

Look at our team doing a first play trough only level 2 challenge. Skill!

[@muhmonica]

Another brutal episode. I'm only starting to learn PF2e, but the one thing I've learned is that single enemy, high AC encounters are ROUGH in this game, and this is really showing it. With a +8, poor Kate has to roll 13 or above just to land some chip damage. Also I thought for sure Hubert was about to show us his true power or something, but alas, it was just his bushy.

[@LightningRaven42]

Kate needs to change up that bow and get a Composite Longbow (or Composite Shorbow) ASAP. Once the party has Striking Runes, or one of the casters in the party chooses to use Runic Weapon, their damage will feel more rewarding. That first bump in damage feels very satisfying early on.

[@KyleMc16]

They also rarely aid, bless, trip, demoralize, etc. That 13 could very well be a 10 given the right buffs/debuffs, but they never do that stuff.

[@byronkern2295]

I’m really struggling with GCP 2.0. The AP really lacks direction; the inciting incident happens “off screen” before the adventure starts, so there’s no real connection to it, and then there’s no sense of what the objective is. It’s also reinforcing my experience with 2e as a system: it’s not fun. You need to play it like a war game, with an optimized party composition and always make the best tactical choices or you get stomped. There’s no real room for doing what’s cool or fun.

[@LightningRaven42]

@@byronkern2295 This idea of not being able to do cool things (which you can, specially once you have some levels), is only halfway true. On severe and Extreme encounters you need to be as effective with your actions as you can be. However, you are mistaken if you think that doing "cool stuff" means choosing to make weird stuff that won't help your party. My group has been playing since PF2e and our party, with one less PC mind you, would've make quick work of this episode's combat.

[@metalcollection1]

@@KyleMc16 What do you mean 'rarely'? I think you missed like the last 10 episodes. There was multiple instances of aiding just in the last 3 episodes and big bless time going in the fight wit Kaneepo. Also if people are not really trained in Athletics, there is no point to do Trip. You only risk crit failure and this party doesn't have the true 'muscle' apart from Monk, who is more of a ranged support.

[@TheLibGamer]

The odds on the trip are probably there best option, since they know it has a low reflex save, and therefore a low reflex DC.

[@ZeroScore]

On the bright side, after this TPK one of you can come back as the clearly OP Hubert Hedge

[@wesdecker]

Actual CHILLS on the Get In The Trunk teaser

[@Bleaknaut]

Those tricksy last lines in spell descriptions have led my group to adopt the phrase, "Read the whole thing, not just the parts you like!"

[@garfield454]

Buggles cast Ignition and Mage Hand in the same turn… except both of those are 2 action spells…

[@jaredkelly4866]

The mage hand might be his Deviant ability from the campaign background

[@blykins80]

​@@jaredkelly4866that one can only go up to 15 feet and also would have required a flat check for the backlash.

[@paralysekid]

The second time was only a sustain I think?

[@JacksonOwex]

48:00(ish) Perfect time to use a Flat Check, just set a DC and roll a d20, NO MODIFIERS just a straight up roll. Flat Checks are basically just luck rolls.

[@thetalesofulran1976]

Excellent accidental find today. I paused the video while I checked on my breakfast and discovered my new screensaver (0:49 seconds in). If I didn't know any better, I'd say this moment was captured just seconds after Joe throws them both under the bus YET AGAIN!😁Stay in your lane Joe, we get it, you "know things".

[@brigexplosion]

The hedgehog is the only one that is killing anything, Kates rolling like Joe, everyone's dying, this snail is destroying everyone in 1 hit, they STILL HAVEN'T LEVELED UP, no one has caps. Hey Troy questions... Can the snail just get bored and walk away? Like can this just be no longer fun for the snail or can it just feel bad for them? Can Hubert distract the snail or annoy it enough to get its attention?

[@lorenzovaletti4951]

Rather than getting bored, since almost all threats are down around her, I would have the snail concentrate on killing one prey, grabbing it and running away with it to eat it. That would end the combat in a sort of realistic way, with one death and a chance for the other players to survive

[@brigexplosion]

@@lorenzovaletti4951 I agree it does sound possible. I was mainly joking to the fact that it may not think of them as "threats" with how quickly it is knocking them down. Hopefully they run into some more luck with their rolls. Now that I am thinking about it...what if Hubert is the only remaining survivor and has to explain everything to a whole new team?

[@lorenzovaletti4951]

@@brigexplosion That would be spectacular xD

[@upsidely]

Solid EP despite the terrible dice rolls 😂. So, was the snail's objective to wipe out all life? If it was food, surely, with both Ramieus and Asta KO'd and everyone else on the other side of the river, it would take one away and retreat to feed. This is not Troy's doing, the book just says that it ambushes the party and fights until it is reduced to 10HP. The encounter itself is pretty good due to the terrain, but Paizo has an awful habit of 90% of fights being "This thing tries killing all the PCs just 'cus". That is usually combined with "It has zero self preservation and either fights to the death or tries to retreat on such low HP it's guaranteed dead on the next PCs turn.

[@AphroditieStar]

I keep expecting them to say " And I fly kick the hedgehog into the snail"

[@gantzywo]

This combat was so damn fun to watch!!! Can not wait to see how it all unfolds for sure. Thank you for a GREAT episode!!!

[@nathanschmaltz672]

I came here to read the comments after listening to the podcast of this episode to see if anyone had fun. It doesn’t seem like it was particularly fun for anyone.

[@cbo2864]

literally the most generous I think Troy has ever been... ever

[@Avankiri]

My wife and I humbly request a long form version of the opening theme song.

[@Hoodoojuju82]

I'm the one guy in SLC Skid, thank you!

[@AJBernard]

it's weird... I don't ever recall Matthew using "Devise a Strategem" and having it work. Has it? It's like his dice hear that phrase and choose violence. =) Love what you all do. Thank you so much.

[@_claymore]

nah, he's used it in the past. I haven't kept tabs on how often it worked out vs not, but he has even gotten one or two finishers with it iirc. it's just that this particular session has had the cast roll abysmally bad.. except for Troy of course who can't stop critting.

[@Gargs454]

Matthew also needs to remember that Devise a Strategem let's him attack a different target if the roll was bad and not use the Devise roll. Probably wouldn't have mattered and most combats haven't had multiple enemies, but it's important to remember

[@gaijin_lfc]

@@Gargs454he could certainly have taken out one or two of those minions.

[@Ren_Brands]

Tense Episode with a really hard encounter i'm anxious to see what happens next week.

[@Zygoth80]

The acrobatics check when taking damage happens before the damage is applied. Asta leap over, made her assault, swung a second time, then planted her feet for stability, and took the damage, falling onto the rock and not the water.

[@I4MWH014M]

Can Buggles unleash psyche when the spell was disrupted the previous turn? I don't know how losing a spell works with stupefied and the requirement for unleash psyche.

[@andrewmaher9439]

That episode was NOT fun but, my god was it entertaining! Come on, guys, get it together!

[@TheGlassCannon]

We're doing our best!

[@bluesteakmanflesh131]

In the uk we don't tip much. Only place is going for a meal.

[@eliasculpepper8299]

When I see them live, I'll need to make sure I tip the party for an extra shirt.

[@luc1829]

I haven't finished the ep yet. but I am getting so tired of these single target smashers and Troy being surprised that a party who hasn't had a chance to rest, buy equipment, or level up in like 12 sessions lol.

[@replays_gaming4200]

I think the players should have levelled after Kaneepo to level 3, I think this campaign is brutal, obviously the characters were put in a position where they can't get home, but I think realistically any character in a campaign this brutal who was able to go home would just go "nope I'm done I'm gone!" I think this group would do whatever they could to get to safety and then be like nope I'm not fighting any more.

[@Brusir]

PF1e turned into rocket tag towards the later levels, whoever went first won fights (typically). PF2e seems like all the mobs have the rocket packs and bazookas and the players have cement shoes on. #fairandbalanced Should EVERY fight be an almost TPK? 🤔

[@missellaneous5142]

Brutal roles this ep! Except Troy of course, he's rolling fine!

[@jayhendrick834]

Ok I figured it out...Hubert Hedge is the BBEG!

[@lorenzovaletti4951]

Great ep. as usual! In my opinion, you shouldn't think of "rolling a save" as it being an action. A save is an abstraction mechanism to describe what happens to your character in that moment. However, if the save is contained or part of an action (or reaction: Grab an Edge), then yes it's an action. So, if you are unconscious you shouldn't be able to Grab an Edge. Personally, I would have let them roll Acrobatics as soon as they got hit, but before giving them the dying condition. If they fall by failing the Acrob., they don't have a chance to stay on the rock.

[@stephenbarcus]

At what point does fatigue get taken into account when swimming?

[@zbug84]

We ran away from the snail, apparently its one of the hardest encounters in the first book(according to my DM) also im glad the party hates Hubert as much as mine did lol

[@TheBlommel76]

I look forward to the Hubret shirt that will surely be dropping soon.

[@househikephotography]

In Wisconsin I grease palms with a case of beer. 😂

[@TheGlassCannon]

This is the way.

[@corypaine9858]

Buying the movers breakfast is more Payola than a bribe.

[@ambera7159]

As someone who’s first real introduction to ttrpgs was this campaign, nobody told me I’d constantly be worrying about characters being on the brink of death 😂 after Lucky, I should’ve known better than to get attached to any PCs. But what’s a story without stakes?

[@SurfRlyeh]

A good meat grinder can be a great introduction. Tastes may vary as with anything else. Real stakes and compelling characters bring out a lot in an AP, or even a homebrew campaign. The GCN crew bring a LOT to the table (figuratively and literally) with character choices and role-play. It can be a real bummer for a character to wind up as a flash in the pan before a brutal death (and a gut punch for the player), but when they do get a chance for fleshing out via backstory even crunch-heavy tactical games become all the richer to play and to watch.

[@ambera7159]

@@SurfRlyeh I've definitely begun noticing these things the more of them I watch. If this is how stressed I am, I can't even begin to imagine how stressed the crew is lol. It's been fun figuring out my own tastes as I've delved a little deeper into it all! The characters and their arcs have especially stood out to me, and I've found myself enjoying combat-heavy episodes the more I learn. They really do go hand-in-hand if you understand the point of the game. And getting to know these characters so well, I'm far more invested.

[@Wumpus23]

There needs to be a RPG rap battle group called "Blurry of Flows."

[@KeithSchwerin]

Irony of this eps title as the other day I watched the movie You've got Mail from 1998.

[@TheriusT]

The lob amoeba attack to Talita from the Amelekana is not a regular attack. It has no critical sucess entry since is not a naturally damage-dealing attack. So the damage should be 2d4+8 but not double and that cannot deal 30. Also, the monastic archer stance, the range limit is to use monk abilities with the range attacks, not to attack in general.

[@paralysekid]

I have to say in terms of strategics, there's really some stuff they could be doing better. Especially Sidney with Asta as the "frontliner" character. Her first strategy in the combat against a possible boss monster is to run up into its face, strike, and then just stand there and give it ALL 3 ACTIONS to hit her for free. A more strategic approach would be to somehow make the boss move to get to you, or somehow cooperate with the others to get some buffs, or debuff the enemy, etc.

[@ericclark9770]

Welp... (starts gathering up the cooler, blanket, and folding the chair)......thought it'd be a better game than that... (stands to watch the final out)

[@TheGlassCannon]

Underrated comment

[@joedavis6524]

Initiative is simply a way to determine in what order the players go after the enemies go.

[@kekuhaupio1]

Have you found your bottle? he he he

[@danhooper3723]

That is some of the worst rolling I have every seen from any group.

[@IceDragon978]

They seem to consistently roll absolute duds this campaign.

[@KyleMc16]

Remember! Norse Foundry...for all your random number generating needs!

[@Gargs454]

​@@KyleMc16just as long as those needs are not high numbers!

[@danhooper3723]

@@KyleMc16 I was going to buy the Kate dice set if they became available again.. but now..... We aren't in the needing-a-new-Nick-drop territory just yet... but dayam.

[@3rdgar]

Lol. This group is so quick to collapse under pressure. Its amazing

[@Scales3040]

Gotta say, that hedgehog really knows how to crack me up.

[@hollyweaver7292]

I would pay good money for Buggles to push the hedgehog into the water.

[@Grimmloxx]

I would have gone with "Clutch Kate" personally

[@edwardsanchez8853]

I love the GCN. I don’t love how under equipped, under leveled and OP this campaign is. It’s Starting to not be enjoyable, because I’m finding myself avoiding getting attached to anyone in the event they die which has already happened once, and I feel like could happen with any random encounter. I’m not gonna put the entire blame on Troy, or any bad rolls. I just am finding 2e to be unbalanced and frustrating. Not sure what can be done, but the entertainment value has been replaced by bitching and complaining about all the things they didn’t do, couldn’t do, weren’t allowed to do or weren’t ready or equipped for. Sorry for the Ted talk. I’m done

[@JFStandhope]

Troy could have actually kept the Hero Point system intact, because after running several years of PF2e it simply doesn't work without them. I know they made it as a suggestion for a 'gritty' campaign, but it doesn't make it gritty, it breaks the system. A good GM knows when they mess up and fixes what they broke.

[@T3hIluvatar]

I can't speak for the players, but it really looks like they're not having that much fun.

[@glorfendell2967]

So... Why aren't they 3rd level?