You will never see Mihawk the same after this

You will never see Mihawk the same after this
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[@JoyBoyTheories]

For the sake of time I cut the portion where I talk about Zoro's dream being related to Kuina. I know that it matters because of that! CHECK OUT The Booms⬇⬇⬇ 1link.st/JB

[@yflrj]

First reply 🎉

[@JoyBoyTheories]

appreciate you man 😭@@yflrj

[@merki101]

Keep up the great content, I work during the night so your timing was PERFECT lol also i back this theory fully

[@Dkkm10]

8:36 It is important to set up the premises of the video but in the past when I have commented video starts at X it is because I have felt the premises were too obvious. The premises you have stated were kinda yeah obvious but not everyone can connect these ones given Zoro fans are usually one dimensional durr me like strong guy people. The rest of the video is awesome!

[@7ckingcold]

My Question is Why there is No Crewmate of Roger when He get Executed??

[@raw-b6658]

That Buggy Speech might be my all time favorite moment in the series, I absolutely love Buggy as a character and seeing him gain confidence in himself and make the claim for the grand prize shook me to my core. I want to be like that and have the bravery to defy the obstacles ahead of me and pursue my own dreams

[@tuvillo]

He suddenly became my favorite non-strawhat in the entire series, out of nowhere. But only because of what we knew of him before that point, does that chapter gain value

[@saulvilla6592]

Same here. If I were to add onto this that scene gives me inspiration when you also consider the fact the Buggy is extremely outclassed.Which personally I found pretty dang relatable 😅

[@Nivram92]

That speech was so POWERFUL, that I actually got goosebumps reading this!

[@ratillecebrasquedubitantiu4451]

Buggy is a good leader

[@atheos.1383]

Dude that speech was amazing. Buggy is truly going to be one of the main contenders for the One Piece. And it's poetic, if this theory is true, that Buggy would lead Mihawk to achieve his dreams better than Shanks did, as Shanks and Buggy are KINDA brothers. Been loving the extra layers we've gotten too, painting Shanks in a darker shade. I mean yea, buggy has his own issues, but it's really looking like Shanks is the one that put him on his villain ark and not just for petty reasons.

[@RampageRich]

I think "nothing happened" really changed Zoro and made hin truly loyal to Luffy as he now knows how much Luffy suffers when he fights for his friends.

[@EOTUBDB]

Knowing the pain didn't make him truly loyal! He was ready to throw his dream away for luffy before he even felt it

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

Are you saying that zoro changed his dream?

[@christianolson8543]

I’ve never thought of this. What an interesting concept. He had to suffer for his captain, but also realized just how much his captain was willing to suffer. Luffy would’ve never asked Zoro to suffer for him. He realized that as well. Terrific writing. So original and incredibly profound. The way Zoro handled the incident says it all. He never took credit. That is a secret he and Sanji share as well. That event holds so much significance the more you think about it.

[@RampageRich]

@Dave_of_Mordor no but he realized Luffy is willing to put his life and therefore his dream on the line to protect those he cares about and Zoro probably realized Luffy is way more mature for lack of a better word than he previously precived him, like when he was mad at him for "just playing pirate"

[@DonDivineDiva]

It def solidified to 200% 😮‍💨

[@Ryzen776]

While I find the whole theory interesting, the idea of Mihawk accomplishing his dream at a heavy cost more interesting. Mihawk dueled his captain, won the title of strongest swordman but lost his place in the crew at the same time. This condemned him to sail the sea alone, since he won't follow a captain weaker than him, but also think he don't have what it take to be a captain. This also work with his comment of Luffy and Zorro making a good team, because the same issue doesn't exist between them. Luffy's dream is even bigger than Zorro's one, making him worth following, unlike Shanks who seem to have given up his dream at Logetown.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

I thought Shanks gave up on his dream until someone told me that he decided to find the one piece after Luffy awaken his df. Roger must've told him about it before he got executed. It could be the reason why he stole the df in the first place, and it was meant for him to eat, but luffy ate it instead and he had to wait

[@GroutMobile]

@@Dave_of_Mordorshanks is referring to luffy finding the one piece for sure. I think people mistake shanks for being evil or something because of this but in reality he’s just saying the one piece can be claimed now that luffy’s df is awakened.

[@JoyBoyTheories]

this is cool as well!

[@MartinHindenes]

​@@Dave_of_Mordor considering the whole "laugh tale" and "joyboy" lore, and how everyone who witnessed the One Piece started laughing, it's possible that Joyboy plays a crucial role relating to the One Piece. Maybe Shanks was waiting for that to become possible (Joyboy awakening) before resuming his pursuit of the One Piece.

[@mariogame_dev8004]

This is very good theory

[@ReiseLukas]

I like this theory. I get bored to death of these powerscalers controling the Mihawk vs Shanks narrative. I don't care who is stronger, I want to know what went on between them. Just in the latest episode when Luffy defeated Kaido people in the comments thought it was underwhelming. The problem is they're only looking at the fight itself and not the story behind the fight. The entire story of Luffy vs Kaido, especially now in hindsight as a manga reader was one of the best in the series.

[@GroutMobile]

Trueeeee I really like the whole dynamic of “joyboy will be the one to defeat me” i still think that kaido is very understood. He just wanted someone to beat his ass and no one could. Mabye shanks did and then told him “I’m not joyboy” who knows

[@mrbubbles6468]

I mean the fight was underwhelming. Oda is even on record saying that if he ended the fight in rhe exact way he did would be underwhelming. Nor was there really a story to the fight. Luffy loses until quite litterally magically winning for reasons we don’t even know yet

[@mbsissef8815]

​@@mrbubbles6468if i remember correcrly Oda said something about not using a big punch to end Kaido 😂 thats exactly what happened

[@sarov7658]

@@mrbubbles6468 how is the fight underwhelming it was literally one of the best fights so far especially the g5 and the first rooftop portion also nothing magical about it when luffy got defeated lik 5 times and barely beating a weakned kaido💀

[@sarov7658]

@@mbsissef8815 if it's not punch then it's a kick it's about how it's done like in no way that was a normal punch like he said with it being island sized and full of 'ryou haki' that's what helpd beat kaido

[@spiritualliving8318]

Mihawk was shanks original clout, before he fought Mihawk no one knew who he was hardly. Remember before shanks became a yonko he was a nobody like buggy. Buggy sailed with Roger but wasn’t known until Marine Ford. Mihawk is 4 years older than shanks they have the same birthday. Mihawk was the A side. The databooks say Mihawk was already famous BEFORE the Great pirate era, which means he was famous before Roger died. Ppl try to spin it like Mihawk got clout from shanks but it’s the complete opposite.

[@ieury1]

Zoro not being loyal is a crazy take. He’s the only one from the original 4 that hasn’t betrayed and left luffy for whatever reason

[@istheyear-ry1el]

thats just bcs he doesnt have an existential problem like those sanji,nami and ussop.

[@RogBearD]

where does it say he wont in the future?

[@ramonavila3847]

Where do it says that Zoro won't take Luffy head in the future ? Joke aside judge Zoro with what has happened and not what will... Zoro is the only one that hasn't left and more he is the only one to discard his dreams for the sake of his captain (In front of his goal nonetheless). I know that Joyboy has this fantasy of Zoro leaving but it was never meant to be.

[@ieury1]

@@RogBearD we’re not talking about “what ifs” we’re talking about what happened. But if we’re talking about “what ifs” right now in the story the likelihood of that happening is slim imo zoro more than ever is all in with his captain.

[@MT-xx5cd]

He’s also the only one who doesn’t have family or a lover outside the crew in the og 4 and if anything sanji was trying to save the crew

[@danielbuie6878]

I want to see Buggy's speech animated and voiced soon, and I hope the anime does it justice because Oda gave Buggy a really good speech there.

[@sarov7658]

Buggy va always nails

[@malyrbt7093]

fitting king of the pirates

[@ybone8709]

Watch him find the one piece first

[@blackmage665]

@@ybone8709 in a story with so much joy and comedy, that would actually be hilarious, though it would be that buggy has no idea that he DID or no idea what to do with it.

[@BeaPlot]

I think there might be another thematic connection between cross guild which we're not considering; Shanks. Buggy is Shanks' brother and former crewmate. Bare minimum, Shanks and Mihawk are former rivals and currently friendly enough to drink together. And if you're correct with your theory, Mihawk is a former crewmate. Why then would Croc be the odd man out here and not have some major connection to Shanks? If you go back and reread impel down, (ch 545.) Croc and Buggy interact for the first time in the manga. Buggy bumps into Croc running away from the demon guards. Buggy recognizes Croc immediately. Although this is possibly just because he’s a warlord, Buggy doesn’t know who Jinbei is in 549 so Buggy is shown not to just know all the warlords by reputation. In ch 546. when escaping from impel down on the wooden door to get to the marine battleship, Croc takes Mr. 1 and Buggy with him. Jinbei is carrying the door from the water, so he doesn’t necessarily have a say in who to take. Croc is the defacto decision maker here, and he naturally brings Mr. 1, his right hand man, but he also takes Buggy. They possibly could have carried more random escapees from level 1 and 2, but Buggy is the one person allowed on the door. If Croc doesn’t know about buggy, then there’s absolutely no reason to take him, since he also wouldn’t know he’s a fruit user at this point. Mr. 1 even comments on buggy being on the door as being weird later in the chapter while Croc just stands in the background brooding (as per usual.) Did Croc maybe want to give Buggy a better chance at escaping because of a fondness from a shared history? Also in 549. Croc calls out buggy for not realizing they’re going to marineford by telling him “Quit it. It’s your fault for being stupid and slow.” While Crocodile is fairly comfortable with expressing others' inferiority, this seems a tad more familiar than we usually get from Croc. Even more importantly, when Buggy is revealed as Shanks “brother” and a member of the Roger pirates, Crocodile is the only person in the reaction panels to not react to this information at all, implying potentially that he already knew this. And finally, if you go to chapter 862, the cover story has Buggy and Shanks playing hanafuda with an anthropomorphic pirate animal. What kind of animal is this pirate? A crocodile (or alligator.) Could this be forshadowing the idea that Croc traveled with the roger pirates in his youth? TL;DR: All three of the co-captains of Cross Guild are former crewmates of Shanks.

[@JoyBoyTheories]

I would not be opposed!

[@jereldeycijntje535]

Theorie theorie no mi😂

[@ceruhermandez9651]

Also maybe that is also the reason why Crocodile gave him money but also I wonder what happened for him to hate Buggy and if this theory is true then he couldn't be a woman in the past unless he was changed before meeting them

[@SogonD.Zunatsu]

It's not possible for Shanks to have bodied Kaidou. He thought himself as invulnerable till the day Luffy arrived on Onigashima. If Shanks had defeated him, that wouldn't be so and he would probably chase Shanks around so they can settle it. I don't think they got into anything more than a scuffle, before settling on some agreement.

[@ybone8709]

I think it's more they never actually fought. Shanks probably did a kings haki clash with Kaidou similar to what he did with White beard. There isn't incentive for Kaidou and Shanks to fight. The original 4 emperor's just operated in their own territories and never actually clashed over their territories. Shanks didn't care about Wano so they didn't need to fight. Luffy walked straight into Kaidous layer and Big Mom's lairs which ended up with him fighting both at some point. If Shanks fought Kaidous I can't see him leave with anything less with a draw based on the feats he already has. Bro ended a whole war with his presence. That being said I still think the most powerful guy in this series is between Garp and Rayleigh. Them old guys are crazy strong

[@jeremiahwarden5959]

Shanks told Kaidou that Luffy is Joyboy but not ready yet. So Kaidou left because he wanted to meet Joyboy at his peak years later.

[@MrDragonkarp]

Shanks brought that west blue sake wit the healing properties he heard about Oden scar

[@orbboom6119]

​@@ybone8709lol so shanks didnt care about wano and all the suffering, good guy shanks And yes the strongest characters are garp and rayeligh who are always saying they got weaker Bruh.

[@spaghettiman5423]

Gotta think about where they could have met as well. Location plays a big fight in fights. Maybe shanks intercepted kaido in the middle of the ocean. A place where shanks and his crew have a massive advantage over kaido and his crew of mostly devil fruit user. Unless they can fly which most of them can't, they lose the second their ship is destroyed and they're forced to try combat the red hair pirates in the water where they stand no chance. Kaido probably looked at the situation decided it wasn't worth the risk and turned around.

[@thisisme2014]

The real title of this video is "Shanks is stronger than Mihawk..." And I'm gonna use bunch of head canon and out of context panels and dialogue to prove it...

[@saurabhsingh6227]

It could be that Shanks wanted him as a crew member, which Mihawk himself didn’t want to, but Shanks was persistent and a bet was placed such that they would duel and the one who manages to defeat the other will have his way, that is to say if Shanks defeated Mihawk, Mihawk will have to join his crew

[@flipr52]

But the assumption that Shanks is stronger is completly invalid once you know that Mihawk is looking for someone stronger than Shanks lol

[@kingeaze9766]

If I’m not mistaken Mihawk was the first person who spoke on Luffys power to Unite n bring ppl together at Marineford & how valuable that power is on the seas.. what a not so strange thing for Oda to have Mihawk acknowledge at that time. It was almost like a small tell into his character

[@thisisme2014]

its nothing like that... mihawk's epithet was suppose to be "clayorvoilent" ... so oda used mihawk as a tool to showcase luffy's true power... Same way oda used mihawk when mihawk comment on whitebeard... he was the first one to notice the decile in health of whitebeard... shame that it lost in translation

[@kingeaze9766]

@@thisisme2014 think your slightly missing the point of what I’m saying. I’m speaking more towards what are Mihawks values.. oda didn’t use Mihawk to showcase luffys power & we knew about whiteboards health way before marineford we didn’t need Mihawk for that. Again I was just pointing out that Mihawk noticed luffys ability to rally people together on the Seas. Was that due to his epithet ? maybe, maybe not. Im just wondering if that acknowledgment tell us alil bit about the Mihawk we’re getting in these lastest chapters.

[@mrbubbles6468]

‘It’s abundantly clear’ No, no it’s not. We haven’t seen Mihawk do anything. And the story has always painted him as stronger than Shanks.

[@JoyBoyTheories]

We've seen the difference between Shanks and Mihawks presence in Marineford. That alone is enough for me, notwithstanding everything else I could mention. Mihawk has his title, and that all that perspective has. So based on current portrayal, it is abundantly clear

[@thisisme2014]

@@JoyBoyTheories Tell me one thing... According to shanks defeated kaido very easily... And we know that kaido knows and acknowledges shanks strength that's why he is in his top 5... Then why while fighting luffy and many times he said and believed himself to be the strongest... And said whoever defeats me is joyboy... So according to ur logic Shanks is Joyboy

[@RogBearD]

@@thisisme2014 dont make stupid little thinks seem big, you know its not that hard to understand rather say you're pressed and scared for mihawk being inferior to Shanks

[@JoyBoyTheories]

They call him the strongest creature, and people say things about him. Doesn't make them true. It was also said he can't be killed@@thisisme2014

[@garou417]

@@JoyBoyTheoriesShanks is stated in Mihawks vivre card to be a swordmaster and Mihawk is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman….the Worlds STRONGEST Swordsman. Given this information how can you justify Shanks>Mihawk?

[@Drazil100]

Something I personally believe is that whole “if you ever get in the way” thing Zoro said was COMPLETELY resolved in the duel against Mihawk. Something I think a lot of people forget among the other cool moments in that fight is that Luffy restrains himself and others from interfering. I believe that him not getting in the way and waiting until the duel was completely over cemented Zoro’s respect for Luffy and is the reason he is the most loyal crew mate. While a lot of what zoro does, especially how he unquestioningly follows Luffy’s orders can be explained by Zoro’s quirky personality, I believe Luffy’s conduct during his duel actually plays a much bigger role in Zoro’s loyalty than people realize.

[@redroman4214]

His "blind obedience" in following Luffy can be explained in the Water 7/Ennies Lobby arcs. When the Ussop and Luffy drama was happening, he tells Luffy not to waver or else the crew wouldn't know who to look to for guidance when they needed it. He also cemented this when the crew talks about Ussop returning to the crew and how disrespecting the captain and leaving the crew should not be met with a welcome celebration unless Ussop acknowledges his wrongdoings. To Zoro, the captain should be followed no matter what so he ensures that Luffy is unwavering in his decisions so that he can believe in any order he commands.

[@snackpackluv]

I see Zoro, I click even if I’m watching something else

[@frenchynoob]

I hate Zoro so much

[@CoolAsianGuy]

@@frenchynoobSame.

[@socioexecutor1800]

These two 👆🏻hate a fictional character lmaoo Jobless behaviour right there

[@Alkeq]

​@@socioexecutor1800yes you need to be unemployed to have an opinion

[@randtv8360]

​@@Alkeqshut up hater 😂

[@absolutezero2317]

One thing to consider is that mihawk was famous before the great pirate era started(he also had yoru at that time), and shanks was the one who gained reputation for dueling with mihawk. While I’m aboard on the theory that mihawk’s dream will be rekindled by buggy, him being shank’s crewmate, I have doubts of that happening.

[@DeAndre_Moffett]

Shanks was also somewhat famous already as well as a member of the Roger pirates, he was also trained by Roger and silvers. So I think they both were already known pirates before the pirate era.

[@absolutezero2317]

@@DeAndre_Moffett but still like buggy his connection with roger might not be that known, also he’s younger than mihawk as well, about 4 years i think. Shanks looks more like a kid than mihawk when the pirate era started.

[@DeAndre_Moffett]

@@absolutezero2317 he was around 14-15 when it started

[@danielapetersen8741]

Zoro was also more famous than Luffy when they met, and he still joined his crew. Almost all of the strawhats are older than Luffy, and had more reputation and experience when he met them, in fact. I can easily see an older Mihawk meeting a rookie Shanks and being won over. It would make the parallel complete.

[@user-de4zb4kd1y]

Zoro was more famous than Luffy, and he joined Luffy. If anything, Mihawk having a bigge reputation at that time gives more paralles to Zoro/Luffy Shanks/Mihawk

[@seeda5545]

My man said 5:00 : Shanks is equal to Mihawk as swordsman and because Shanks has a stronger Haki “he is the strongest swordsman” .. When Oda literally said that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman!!! I hate Shanks’s fans who alter everything for their narrative to fit! Why can’t you accept that Mihawk is stronger? We literally never seen Mihawk uses his Haki so you have no idea that Shanks has a stronger Haki!! If we’re talking about Conqueror coating, Zoro literally used it and he still considers Mihawk stronger than him which only mean that Mihawk also has Conqueror coating!

[@cozbyv3]

Mihawk has a black blade that bitch IS conq coatED regardless I'm pretty sure shanks is still a comparable FIGHTER to mihawk, but he lost his sword arm so his skill in specifically swordsmanSHIP isn't the same

[@mi7sen95]

Fun little theory, but I dont know if it works with the fact it was stated Mihawk and Shanks had multiple duels, not just one. So this wasn't just one epic duel that went down between them. They were probably chasing each other around looking for a fight whenever one was near bye. Mihawk was probably just depressed he lost his dueling partner after Shanks lost his arm. As to why chase after Shanks for duels and the title of greatest, well probably because he is the apprentice of the previous best, being Roger and Rayleigh.

[@jasonxx9884]

Man basically thinks shanks can beat mihawk without his sword

[@emilianoelias7]

Saying that advanced conquerors alone makes Shanks "stronger" than Mihawk either way or makes it not an even fight makes little sense. Because Zoro has adv conquerors and will keep getting stronger with it. Him using it doesn't makes him less of a swordsman. If Shanks doesn't uses adv conquerors against Mihawk because is "unfair" then Zoro can't use it either i guess... I don't know if my point is understood... It's like saying that now that Zoro has adv. Conquerors he doesn't need his swords to win. He just uses them to be a sworsdman. That's not the right thinking. Either way I do hope Mihawk to have adv conquerors too because if he fights Zoro I would like for both of them to have the same tools. What I mean is you can't leave haki out of what it means to be the best swordsman now. It's in fact a key factor as to every top fighter in the story.

[@RogBearD]

zoro only got CoC in the first place because of his popularity and fan favouritism, see how a 1000 chapter later suddenly he gets it, for luffy it was hinted quite early in the story that he has CoC. Zoro was never a true conqueror

[@RimuruTempest-wl1ru]

​@@RogBearDbro why would Zoro get conquerors because of popularity.. do you think oda will change the plot to please the audience. I don't think so.. And Zoro also has one of the strongest will power, a kingly ambition so him being a conqueror totally makes sense

[@n01luffytard96]

@@RogBearDeither this is bait or your extremely delusional expected from a shankstard 😭😭

[@malikpittman6376]

Well.... you can say that shanks having Acoc makes him stronger. Using Zoro as an example isn't right, as he is not very close yet to the power that shanks, and likely mihawk have. However at that level, and if they are mostly equal in terms of armament haki and observation, even if mihawk is superior with the blade, Acoc is a HUGE buff to shanks' attacks, and if mihawk can't block with Acoc, it would be incredibly hard to not take damage

[@orbboom6119]

Ppl not expecting mihawk to have acoc is so funny. Zoro got it, most other important swordsmen got it, and mihawk has a black blade a haki feat only done by ryuma before, its like expecting ryuma to not have acoc😂

[@tylernelson9039]

I had suspicions about Mihawk the moment he agreed to train Zoro. So when Buggy makes his grand bid for the One Piece I wondered if this was a hint at both Mihawk’s and Croc’s real motivations. They were both present for Roger’s executions, so it makes sense they were motivated to go out to sea for the One Piece. At some point in their life. Shanks’ feelings change after this as well, maybe he was in on Roger’s plan to wait for stronger pirates and “the right time.” Maybe this was “betrayal” that caused Mihawk to go solo. He joins Shanks’ crew, close to their goal shanks says it’s not time to chase for the one piece. Mihawk gets pissed. They have a fight like Luffy vs Usopp. Mihawk leaves. So perhaps him training Zoro was a way to make sure Zoro was strong enough to find the one piece and/or defeat Shanks and the Red Hair pirates.

[@Pineapal]

6:34 actually this point was discussed in the manga directly, at the beginning of Zoro and King's fight it's made clear that he is not a swordsman, but a fighter who uses a sword, and an untraditional sword at that.

[@emiliocorvalan3322]

That is a really interesting bit about most of zoros fight,like Mr. 1 makes a point of saying he is no swordsman he is an assassin,Kaku mostly fights without swords, Pika uses a sword once,Monet has a sword-like attack,Cabaji is an acrobat, the only real swordsmen he has fought have been Ryuuma,Hachi,Hyouzo,and Ohm technically

[@GroutMobile]

@@emiliocorvalan3322ohm isn’t a swordman if kaku isn’t a swordsman just saying. Agreed with the rest though 😂

[@emiliocorvalan3322]

@@GroutMobile yeah good point,he is constantly using his weapon but is not even a technically a sword.

[@GroutMobile]

Man’s had the DOOHICKEY

[@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ce]

​@@emiliocorvalan3322Notice how none of those examples are anything at all comparable to Shanks. It's all post hoc rationalizations. "Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, therefore..."

[@LWhite49]

I think mihawk totally could’ve been on shanks crew, but I think people misinterpret Mihawk talking about Whitebeard WILDLY. He isn’t talking about strength as physical, he was talking about the strength to bring people towards you which was the entire theme of the arc.

[@mrbubbles6468]

Not to mention, all Mihawk thinks about in said arc.

[@dex7891]

Yeah that was a big miss on Joyboy’s part. A lot of people completely misunderstood Mihawk’s character arc in Marienford, didn’t think he would too.

[@BossAesthetics]

Black blade no black blade. WSS title no WSS title. If shanks really grew then Mihawk has no business holding that title or telling zoro he’ll wait for him at the top. Mihawk has pride in his title we’ve seen that, he wouldn’t hold it if he didn’t deserve it.

[@strykervirus1724]

Apparently, that's not true. I guess Zoro is the only SH who has been chasing the wind all this time.

[@RogBearD]

pov: when I try to put things together forcefully

[@redroman4214]

@@RogBearD that's not how POVs work. Then again, your likely intended meaning was wrong anyways so that fits.

[@derbarone]

I honestly think mihawk is the second strongest Person in universe atm. Just because Zoro will accomplish his goal by defeating him, and that will most likely happen just before the very end. Because as if zoro will accomplish his goal long before luffy does, it will have to happen nearly simultaneously.

[@sanguinepub]

I defnitely don't think this is accurate. Luffy is likely stronger then Mihawk but we can leave this one up to speculation. But I'd say Blackbeard is stronger, Shanks is literally stronger too. Then you add the main antagonist which will likely be fought as well by Luffy's whole crew to take him down. Though we can't assume this one, Dragon might also be stronger at this point then Mihawk. We also don't know how well Mihawk would do against some Admirals.

[@garou417]

@@sanguinepubIf Shanks is stronger then Mihawk that would be confirmation that Mihawk is a fraud and Zoro shouldn’t fight him. Zoro would fight Shanks instead. Narratively, Shanks>Mihawk would make Mihawk and Zoro look pathetic. I don’t think Oda would do that to Mihawk. But Zoro? He absolutely would not do something like that to such an important character.

[@sanguinepub]

@@garou417 What I imagine happened is Mihawk beat Shanks in the past. Basically, when Shanks had both arms and primarily used the Sword, Mihawk was overall stronger and in this time, he had become the worlds strongest swordsman. But Shanks lost the arm and in his journey, he had to learn a new way to fight. I think from here, he refined his haki to obsurd levels and used his off hand to fight with the sword. Since then, he's become stronger then Mihawk. The issue would become, even if they were to fight, Shanks may not just use the Sword. He might primiarily use Haki. Which is why Mihawk doesn't wish to challege Shanks, and as well, Shanks doesn't wish to challege Mihawk for that title. Thus, even though Shanks is stronger, the title stays with Mihawk since the two haven't fought since.

[@danieljoseph3013]

@@sanguinepubnah that makes his title on fraud watch. Shanks has been called a swordsman several times on the sbs and red book. Haki is used in swordsmanship and every time shanks was ready to fight, he used his sword.

[@malikpittman6376]

What in the mihawk Stanboy is this💀💀💀

[@its_hokori]

shanks is categorically a swordsman, to the point that we've never seen him attack without a sword. Also, in all databooks, vivre cards, author statements etc that include swordsmen, shanks is listed there. The hakiman narrative needs to die, not only is mihawk also a master of haki, he actually has better arnament haki by feats (based on him creating a black blade)

[@orbboom6119]

I can't wait for mihawk to show off finally, and silence all these cope clowns lol

[@cozbyv3]

Technically it's not confirmed that he blacked yoru iirc but who knows he's never done Jack shit

[@rdrummer2]

In Marineford, when Mihawk wanted to challenge Whitebeard, my theory is that Mihawk was well aware of Whitebeard's strength, but he saw or felt something wasn't right because Whitebeard was sick and his strength wasn't the same as before. Mihawk wanted to test to see if Whitebeard was still the strongest in the world. At least that's just my theory

[@JohnSmith-yn9ju]

Remember when Mihawk said to zoro “If you’re a competent swordsman we do not have to cross blades for you to know that I surpass your skills.” You’re definitely on the money🎯

[@worldbosspf1]

Mihawk was just considering Whitebeard at his prime. He/They wanted to see how he compared to that prime Whitebeard. After he saw Whitebeard didn't block the attack himself, he realized the distance was none existence.

[@imawarrior3516]

Mihawk has the ability to gauge someone power!

[@Thefackerofannuses]

I think the biggest things ppl aren’t realising ryuma n mihawk are the only swordsmen to turn there blade black that alone speaks volumes of his haki and armament 😂

[@ybone8709]

​@@ThefackerofannusesHasn't Zoro turned his blades black?

[@josephandy21]

One thing I've noticed about One Piece is that a lot of top tiers don't come across each other as often as we think they do. Especially commanders and less probably come across each other more than actually yonkos and right hands. Mihawk was probably excited to see WB that could have been his first time seeing him in person. Shanks already got history with seeing him multiple times. Even Kaido top tier list didn't have someone like Mihawk on it or Dragon. Two people who I think he hasn't crossed paths with. Garp wasn't even on his list or Rayleigh, but he had a weak version on basically himself on the list that being Oden. Even when Crocodile blocked that Mihawk attack it was meant to cut a rabbit (Luffy) a small fry. But in general from what it seems like Yonkos and their crew don't actually come into close quarters with each other as often. It could disturb the balance or leave each other vulnerable. Even for someone like Mihawk who lives on an island a lone or travels the seas the alone you would have thought people would have tried to jump him or force him to join their crew, but there he is. Sailing the New World on a chair for a ship, unscathed, unbothered.

[@yuan713]

I personally think Mihawk is stronger and is supported by Zoro chasing after him and not Shanks. Mihawks vivre card even goes on to say hes waiting for someone stronger than Shanks. Why want someone stronger if you couldn't beat someone weaker? Perhaps Mihawk is stronger than he was back then? Perhaps those duels with Shanks push him to a higher level, but Shanks can no longer push him.

[@JOYOODBOYOO]

How I see it is, Shanks is Roger and Mihawk is WB when it comes to 1v1 but the difference is Roger and Shanks have a goal while WB and Mihawk have already achieved their goal

[@cassandrafiscus9192]

I've honestly never thought of this idea and I absolutely love it. I'm glad I got to hear this, even if it was completely random that this video specifically showed up in my suggestions! One of my favorite One Piece theories ever!

[@JoyBoyTheories]

my pleasure and thank you 😁

[@stormer1446]

I think it’s an interesting theory, not a fan Mihawk being under Shanks cause it is too similar to the Buggy situation. But, as you mentioned, there has to be something there bc of Buggy’s speech of giving up past dreams.

[@PipPanoma]

Honestly if this was the case then I feel like they would've discussed and mentioned it already. Buggy and Mihawk would sure have very different opinions and relations with Shanks.

[@hatterdmad8504]

JB, your theories are just plain awesome! Whether or not this is true It's well thought out and fun to think about.

[@mikwing17]

Nah, I need Mihawk to sware loyalty to Buggy. Buggy and Mihawk need to to tell Shanks how betrayed they felt when Shanks gave up/delayed his dream to take the One Piece. Shanks destroys the Cross Guild by taking Buggy and Mihawk or maybe also Crocodile through Davy Back Fight, essentially absorbing it to the Redhead Pirates. And also fullfiling his promise to Buggy to enter Laugh Tale together.

[@thisisme2014]

We taking mihawk's vauge word to whitebeard which lost in translation... but we are ignoring when mihawk said"I don't challenge One-arm hasbeen " to shanks... Hypocrisy in this video is insane

[@yellowbeez93]

Hidden Island choosing Shanks stronger than Mihawk already tells you how dumb this video is.

[@thisisme2014]

​@@yellowbeez93the real title of the video is "Shanks is stronger than Mihawk..." and I'm gonna use bunch of headcanon and out of context panels and dialogues to prove it..

[@Nellyson96]

Maybe Shanks' haki is just THAT good and Mihawk's swordsmanship is just THAT good - meaning they're both so good they can counter act each other's proficiency

[@JoyBoyTheories]

But then why would Mihawk not want a duel if Shanks could be a challenge?

[@Nellyson96]

@JoyBoyTheories because if they were close to even, then it wouldn't be really fair - his statement holds true doesn't it? Besides, Oda has emphasized Mihawk not wanting to do anything he doesn't feel like doing through the anime and chose to reinforce it in the live action

[@JoyBoyTheories]

I've engaged in some of this discussion in the comments and it reminds me I dislike it lmao@@Nellyson96

[@msaag5490]

There are many interesting points brought, the more scandalous ones being Zoro and his loyalty. I'm more in line with MelonTeee's analysis on Zoro and his anxiety for strength. Also Zoro actually wanting to just drop Sanji misses the whole point of what that man is going through internally. Regardless of what you think, Zoro intertwines his dream with the crew as a whole as showcased in Thriller Bark. His dream means nothing if he can't even protect his captain. I am intrigued by the idea that Mihawk is Shank's Zoro but they got the bad ending. However, I feel its just as likely that Mihawk did achieve his goal, but without a crew to share in that dream it becomes rather empty. You're right that Buggy's speech definitely hints at something regarding Crocodile and Mihawk's past, what that is I'm not sure. There are somethings that discredit the theory and it's the utter lack of acknowledgement of Mihawk and Shanks being crewmates. Every time its just Mihawk and Shanks dueling. Neither Whitebeard nor the Marines even make a hint of this occuring, and yes they would know. Espionage and intelligence acquisition are key things that Yonkos and the Navy engage in. Also that one time during East Blue when Mihawk met Shanks, they talked about Luffy. Mihawk tells Shanks about an interesting boy he met and recalls a story Shanks told him. Contextually it appears that Mihawk was never on Shanks' crew.

[@Gamerlord17]

I remember Tekking brought this up in a video once and his idea was basically that mihawk and shanks were similar to Roger and Rayleigh but more competitive. It got to the point eventually where they had a final duel and the winner would claim the title as WSS. However I wanna add to that and say this was similar to Ussop vs Luffy where the winner of this battle determined who would be the captain of the crew or something of that nature. Mihawk won but didn't want to be the captain so instead he leaves while shanks and his crew continue their search for Joyboy

[@PlanetAnime24]

TRUTH be told. Mihawk had a name for himself BEFORE the great pirate era. Shanks started his own crew in the great pirate era. So who was the contender? Obviously Shanks. And If the duel was undecided that says a lot about Shanks who was on HIS come up.

[@1001011011010]

Just because someone has shown better feats than someone else, it does not mean they're stronger. You cannot know that unless they both go all out.

[@ChamplooEvan]

Hidden Island is for real on the next level of theorists, they might as well be canon, he’s a genius

[@mariogame_dev8004]

Why nobody question why mihawk nickname is Marine Hunter? And why he got the bounty that he have?

[@niello5944]

Because it works against his theory.

[@mariogame_dev8004]

@@niello5944 haha ye i notice. It is pretty one sided

[@sanji_joestar]

You were right about that title My mind is kinda being blown I think such a development would be amazingly interesting i just don't wanna put too much hopes in it or i might get disappointed if it doesn't happen but this is really opening Mihawk's character to something more enjoyable than we thought

[@StardustMonkey]

I have been listening to your channel for about 2 years… the last 5 videos and theories you have put out have been really amazing and some of my favorite of your theories! Though we don’t have confirmation some of this clearly has to be a thing! Roger told shanks the future and had him play a role which slowly ruined his sense of adventure and personal dreams… he stalled out and his crew had a falling out where mihawk left perhaps arguing that he should not follow another persons dreams. That is why he knows about shanks plans and the boy who roger is waiting for. And this is why Oda OKd the script on live action where mihawk became interested in the job after he heard about luffy! shanks most loyal friends stuck with him till today hoping deep down inside for a future where the obligation was over and they could do what they want. This is now… roger probably only told him that he needed to pass the nika fruit and keep this early sprout from being plucked by the world government like a gardener raising joyboy. Now he has awakened and shanks can do as he pleases again sparking inspiration in the 2 that left him: buggy and mihawk. This is how Oda crafts stories! He took zoros goal and created a person suffering from his goals eventual success and lack of fulfillment as his antagonist like Luffy vs Moria. as a defeated and bored person who’s dreams are stagnant because he is at the top or because he chose to go it alone and never finds the challenges that give him growth. Oda once said in an interview that one piece manga was only born out of the mutual support and competition between his fellow mangaka in his early teams! He said they all had one treasure they were fighting for … the coveted spot dragon ball had taken as king for decades and shonen jump was pressuring everyone to come up with the next big story… the one piece of art that would carry them for decades ;)… out of this generation came the big three Naruto, one piece and bleach! These yonko battled it out but in the end only the manga king had a clear vision for how his adventure would end and withstood the test of time ;) ... Akira toriyama of dragon ball was white beard or roger inspiring the great shonen manga era… Oda has filled the story with quotes about strawhats saying they need each other to be pirate king or achieve their goals… and just like Oda had huge rivalries with his mangaka crew he wrote that dynamic in with zoro and sanji… when mihawk left it was out of frustration that shanks gave up and he wandered stalled without competition a clear goal nor a team to inspire his growth. That’s why he lives alone in a ghost kingdom, his ship is a lonely single raft for a soloist to go nowhere slowly… his sword is huge but it never has a worthy opponent to use it on and instead he deals day to day with mundane tasks that only require his little rabbit knife instead… like the young dreamer who settles for a 9 -5 that does not use his strengths nor fullfill his goals! with the new knowledge that shanks was waiting and the cross guild is now a crew of pirates with crushed dreams(dofy and Moria incoming for a battle against their own seraphim like a battle with their youthful dreams incarnate that will give them their greatest challenge) this make cross guild and buggy speech so awesome! These old has been a are going to finally approach their dreams like their youthful selves and pose a challenge to the title pirate king and worlds greatest swordsman

[@Syncopiia]

I always got the vibe that Mihawk is stuck on the hedonic treadmill. "The hedonic treadmill is a psychological theory that suggests that humans have a tendency to return to a relatively stable level of happiness or subjective wellbeing, despite changes in their circumstances or external conditions." Basically if you reach a goal, eventually the fruits of that goal become your new normal. Morj made a Chainsaw Man manga review where he goes in depth about it (major spoilers in the vid btw). But this also works really well. I think they aren't entirely incompatible either, as Mihawk seems disappointed in not being able to challenge someone like Whitebeard 1 on 1. Like you said, his goal will always be out of his reach and he will remain dissatisfied because he doesn't have the crew to get him to a position to truly test his metal.

[@Tnl_Ant]

This makes so much sense because as soon as mihawk went to test the difference between him and whitebeard, It was immediately stopped by jozu.

[@TheCartoons4you]

@8:01 Your wrong b/c if you watch another episode Mihawk says the exact same thing to fodder (literally word for word). He is not saying how powerful he is, he is saying how far he actually is distance wise. This is Odas way of throwing you off as to how powerful Mihawk truly is.

[@seeda5545]

Who the hell believe that Shanks is “not” a swordsman?!!

[@n01luffytard96]

Him 😭😭 he says shanks doesn’t need his sword pure head cannon

[@seeda5545]

@@n01luffytard96 Well he also doesn’t need his hand that doesn’t mean he isn’t human 😂 Aside from the joke though, Zoro also doesn’t need his sword but he is considered a swordsman

[@sausage5033]

I mean Mihawk is the only character we know about since Ryuma who has been able to make a black blade. Shanks doesn't have that. That alone should show u that Mihawk is the superior swordsman. And Shanks might have the superior haki. Thats why theyre able to rival each other

[@redroman4214]

it should actually tell you that Mihawk has the more superior haki since he has a blade coated in HAKI all of the time without him coating it in armament.

[@NKMitch42]

I think Mihawk must be stronger than Shanks for narrative payoff reasons. It must be so for Zoro's dream to be worthwhile.

[@azurehydra]

THAT ENDING!!!!!!!! The fight for the position of right hand man of the King of the Pirates!!!!

[@brokentablespodcast]

Mihawk is the physical embodiment of the Black Blade. The blade could not find anyone worthy to wield it so it has created its own image of the greatest swordsman in Mihawk. Picture the grim reaper from Zoro's vision actually wielding Enma to get the idea.

[@elemomnialpha]

The one thing I disagree with is that Mihawk was never actually the World's Greatest Swordsman because of how that effects the conclusion to Zoro's dream If it was actually Shanks the whole time then what does Zoro need to beat him to claim the title too otherwise he'd be just as much of a fraud as Mihawk would be revealed to be not using Occams Razor would just makes both of their stories worse without a bunch of finagling unless Mihawk actually beats current Shanks before losing to Zoro in which case there's not really any point to having him not actually have earned the title already because it's still relating the same information

[@sojiroseta98]

Theres an argumrnt to be made that maybethe Zoro and Mihawk parallel makes sense. Maybe at one point Shanks, unlike Luffy with Zoro, failed in his recruitment of Mihawk, this definitely could have been Zoro's future, great theory!

[@KingKhudd]

The theory seems to assume that shanks was the way he is now before and after he lost his arm Makes more sense that Shanks had two arms and was one of the strongest swordsman. He lost his arm and trained his haki to compensate and became even stonger but not as a swordsman Leaving mihawk uninterested and unfufilled

[@yt.333boykunat]

I think the title of being the Greatest swordsman is based on swords skills. It's a sacred thing that swordsman knows.

[@ottoahmadp.5738]

I think mihawk goes around only to sharpen others swordsmanship. So when shanks lost his arm mihawk automatically disregarded him as what i can only assume is a prophet that only mihawk knows of and will share at right time. His sword even looks to be a key. He barley used his big sword.

[@bennettholmes1107]

If in a future fight ever Mihawk runs to go protect Shanks from anything and responses to him as Captain I will fully always come back to this video give it all of its praise (like I am now)

[@pewpewvids]

If we were to take the live actions representation of Mihawk vs Don Crieg into account we could say that Mihawk has been shown fighting people 1 on 1 who aren’t swordsmen. As well as Mihawk attempting to attack luffy in Marineford as well as all the fodder pirates he destroyed I would argue that we have seen Mihawk fight those who are not “swordsmen”. But him being a member of shanks crew is kinda cool 👀

[@MakingBaconPancake]

Loyalty is a devotion or sentiment to something and I would say zoro devotion to the crew is the greatest because he'll leave the moment he thinks it's not his crew anymore, which to me shows more devotion as he's making a decision that he probably isn't happy with. Also I would say his distrust in people shows that he's trying to protect the crew by not being naive and is the only one willing to do that, so I would say him not being as happy or not laughing is him trying to take on the burden of the crew because of devotion which is loyalty. Like there are knights that didnt trust in their lords but because of the knights code they're devoted to they where loyal. Though I do understand your point. Ah im not trying to say anything against you, sorry if it sounds like that. Im just trying to saying my point of view on thing.

[@user-hh4br5tk5p]

Makes sense.

[@NickG409]

This man really though Shanks fought Kaido and won. Came out of the fight Unharmed and the Rushed to Marineford. They most likely negotiated or just had a drink together. He really said that Mihawk is gonna wanna join the Strawhats. People out here be watching Agenda piece or 2 piece.

[@ramzee8207]

Love it! It’s a great idea. Your theory videos are always the best, thanks man!

[@fuzzo2734]

Bro shanks is a SWORDSMAN… every single top tier uses HAKI… it if your were talkin about haki Mihawk is 1/2 people we know with a black blade and 9/10 it involves HAKI and probably a relationship with a the sword 🤦‍♂️

[@istheyear-ry1el]

Big Mom and King has devil fruit powers on top of their swords in fact Big Mom's sword is made out of her devil fruit powers and she's technically using her devil fruit power all the way. Shanks on the other has nothing beside his sword. Haki is a must for top tiers. Shanks is a swordsman in fact he is regarded as a sword master

[@TheStarsAreMyHome]

It would make sense that they lost mihawk before the grand line before they met yassop or right after. Then Mihawk could’ve just had the duel then, and mihawk couldve just never had the interest to keep going and stayed before the grandline wall. He also has a high noble attitude.

[@rkinn1998]

I think you're right that buggy's speech is underappreciated. I think it'll get the attention it deserves when it gets animated lol

[@Yujiro-hb8kj]

You opening my eyes on many level now am looking at Mihawks differently

[@_n.dobson_onIG]

To me the reason mihawk is considered the worlds greatest "strongest" swordsman and not shanks is because i think shanks doesn’t have the skill with a sword that mihawk still has like luffy and zoro, zoro has the skill luffy doesn’t proof being that when luffy had the nidai and "used" it he wasnt considered a swordsman by any means nor was he called a stronger swordsman than zoro even when we know luffy is stonger than zoro

[@danieljoseph3013]

Shanks has been called a swordsman several times on film red databook and sbs

[@obmis_arraid21]

Yea but luffy has another thing called a df which is stronger than his swordsmanship, hence why he's not a swordsman same with big mom, wb, law, kizaru ( light sword ), fujitora, etc. Ok the other hand we have people like zoro, Cavendish, t bone, oden and the scabbards, shanks, mihawk are all relient on their swordsmanship which includes haki, but only one of those has the official title of wss, not most skilled but strongest.

[@takua1495]

Love the idea of Zoro vs Mihawk for a spot on the straw hat crew. It would be such a wild subversion of the fight we all expect

[@MachoSquatcho]

I got the impression they dueled regularly. And only when he lost his arm did Mihawk decide it wasn't worth it.

[@maxxiswolf]

This kind of stuff is why this is my favorite OP channel. Nice analysis!

[@thenavoid]

I always found it interesting that Zono doesn't really run into many other people that also want to be the worlds strongest swordsman.

[@chaos4654]

On one level, it could simply be because Zoro pretty quickly found Mihawk, so he no longer has any reason waste time on any other swordsman now that his goal in in arms reach. Like, why waste time on common mobs when you can jump right to the Boss?

[@KATO0914]

Some of the things JB said about Zoro's loyalty...Zoro fans aren't going like that at all. 😂

[@strykervirus1724]

Not quite. He conflates being distrustful to being less loyal, which are two completely different concepts.

[@blackfour5]

@@strykervirus1724exactly! Zoro distrusted Robin because he knew she was hiding something, but Zoro trusted Sanji as a man to do what needed to be done, and that’s why Luffy teased him. JB purposefully misrepresented the nuance here.

[@harkenrebirth]

Who knows. One of the thing we still dont know about. Is Mihawks Sword. He seems to have had it since he was young. Like we see in the flashback to Rodgers death. So who is to say that Mihawk was not part of another pirate crew. Maybe even one that had his teacher as the leader of that crew. He trained. Fought on the side of the crew. But then came the day... "Surpass me, Mihawk"..Years passed after that was said. MIhawk trains. Gets strong. Duells his teacher, the leader of the pirate crew. Defeats him. Surpassing him. He takes the sword in respect of his teacher. To keep the legacy going. But the crew did not like it. They saw it as him trying to steal the position as captain of the crew. They fight. He ends up killing all of them in defense. And then sets out to sea. Where he probably meets Shanks. Stays on the crew for a whille. I mean there is nothing that say that people from Rival pirate crews cant hitch a ride from one place out at sea.. To another location. Fighting on the side of the Red Hair pirates. But not being an official part of that group. Just with them untill they reach another island where he would get something to travel on by himself. Like that Coffin boat he has. We cant really say much. Since we dont know anything. Many characters in one piece would need multiple chapters to have their backstory explained. Like every single pirate. Buggy, Shanks, Rodgers, Mihawk, All of them. For us to even understand what they are like. What we have are just snipets. Parts. That just keeps geting expanded each time we see them. Which still are just parts of a puzzle that has no actual shape and form. So we dont know how to place them.

[@RyonMugen]

I love how all these powerful figures were friendly when they were younger and all respect each other.

[@darthob4869]

Whaaaat?! You have made several blasphemous statements here, sir Joyboy.😮 Biggest one Mihawk would not make a good captain 😮 you Whaaaaat???? Mihawk could sleep all day & night and still would be a better captain than 70% of the series, low balling! 😅

[@dell7013]

Bro really used Naruto plot development music for a one piece vid and I’m here for it. You’ve earned my loyal sub, like, and consistent comments

[@ruizadrian40]

I think, buggy's speech was to get the cross guild on the move too. And it'll be the 3 of the yonko all on laughtale trying to get to the treasure. And here is where Zoro will become the greatest swordsman.

[@tuvillo]

This just reminds me of a debate within the Smash community. Was ZeRo the world's best Captain Falcon when he didn't really play Captain Falcon? He definitely bodied the world's best Captain Falcon MAIN, and was way better with Captain Falcon than that person. If someone way stronger than Mihawk can just pick up a sword and body him, I think you make a very frustratingly good point.

[@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ce]

I think this theory is really dumb. There's never been any instances that even implies that Mihawk was ever a part of the Red Hair pirates. This seems more like "Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, this is a theory explaining why, disregard Zoro vs Mihawk's narrative." Not to mention Cross Guild would tear itself apart if every member actually followed their dreams and you'd have to either destroy Zoro's entire story or establish a clear WSS for Zoro to beat. Also obligatory "the World's Strongest Swordsman is not about strength bro, it's about SKILL, completely disregard that the title is gained by beating the current title holder in a normal 1v1 fight."

[@thisisme2014]

Facts .. this is such a shanks fanboy video...

[@thisisme2014]

and one thing he said this video is ... shanks whooped kaido very easyily when story tells the opposite ... kaido knows shanks and how powerful he is .. that's why he is in his top 5 but kaido while fighting luffy beileved that there's no one who can defeat him...

[@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ce]

@@thisisme2014 Yeah, Kaido should already be naming Shanks Joyboy if he did beat him, not wondering if Luffy is Joyboy.

[@thisisme2014]

​@@CrimsonDRagon-bi9cebut no we are not going to use that...cus our "GOD Shanks is so strong that he is tier above all for no reason" 😂 Shanks Stans are so funny

[@spiritualliving8318]

Yeah this is nonsense, you think shanks is stronger than kaido and think he beat kaido. That’s not possible because kaido believes he’s the strongest even after he met shanks, and so does King. This is delusional shanks fandom stuff as usual. Kaido never lost to shanks, he doesn’t even have a scar from him. They had a drink and kaido went on his way. Man y’all are gonna be shocked when you realize Mihawk is stronger.

[@thisisme2014]

they think shanks is joyboy...

[@spiritualliving8318]

@@thisisme2014 it’s clownery and pure fanboy bias, nothing more

[@fuller0804]

I think Mihawk matches energy while Shanks is willing to go for the kill shot immediately.

[@amvtunes4500]

Mihawk was famous before the Roger execution aka before the great pirate age

[@Mohamadtheman]

It’s one thing to claim shanks is stronger than mihawk with no evidence but also to claim shanks bodied Kaido with no evidence ? I had to dislike the video

[@JoyBoyTheories]

The look on Mihawks face when he saw Whitebeard said enough for me, and Shanks has done more with less, and didnt even fight in Marineford

[@PoH27]

@@JoyBoyTheoriesare you saying that old white beard is stronger then mihawk?

[@JoyBoyTheories]

HM, before getting shanked by Squardo that was my impression, but honestly his health could have led to a slip up@@PoH27

[@Khaled68335]

And he forget the part that Kaido said to luffy he hasn’t been challenged in a serious 1vs1 in a long time and he believes that no one can defeat him beside Joyboy and he believes he’s the strongest! And this guy literally said shanks bodied Kaido Lmao I love how shanks fans loves to ignore the story!

[@Mohamadtheman]

@@Khaled68335 I’m a shanks fan too shanks is my second favourite anime character but I hate claiming shanks is the strongest without evidence and the Kaido disrespect needs to stop Kaido only lost to Luffy cause Luffy is the main character like it’s not fair to downplay Kaido so much just cause people love shanks more same with mihawk based on everything we know shanks is a swordsman and mihawk is the strongest swordsman therefore mihawk is stronger it’s basic logic but to explain how shanks is stronger you need so much cope

[@eduardoparanagua1031]

I'm curious about when you say Zoro's conversations with Luffy about his dreams and leaving the crew never came to anything. It clearly pushed the plot forward in showing both Luffy grow as a person in maturity and Zoro's status within the crew. Also, it is not like he gave up his dreams to push luffys, but his dreams changed as he grew into the found family, I feel nothing happened was we being showed his dream is their dream now

[@zwangsstoer]

For me the fact, that both Mihawk and Shanks attended Rogers execution is opposing to the idea of them being in the same crew, since mihawk looked older and capable allready. But mayhaps there is an untold story behind this, where both met after the execution and founded the red hair pirates directly after.

[@mauricioferrer3690]

I love how most people claim shanks is stronger just bc they’ve seen more from shanks than Mihawk. All of you who believe that are underestimating oda and the title “worlds strongest”. There’s a reason why these people hold these titles.

[@eloquitodelaesquina]

The Whitebeard argument is so disrespectful man First of all if you believe Mihawk when he says Whitebeard is above him then not believeing him when he says hes stronger than Shanks is biased, becuase you believe him when you want to in that case. And secondly, Shanks is no equal to Whitebeard at the eyes of the world, not even close, Shanks is a brat whos been a yonko for 4 years, HE IS PART of those "everyone else" thats bellow Whitebeard when Mihawk speaks about "us" because he was supposed to be THE STRONGEST in the world without question, above EVERYONE ELSE including Shanks and also Mihawk People really forget how big Whitebeard was Shanks is not his equal just because hes a yonko It would be like saying Buggy is equal to Mihawk cause theyre both shichibukai, Buggy is not even equal to Mihawk as a new yonko, given their bounty

[@hasantariq869]

shanks was shown to be equal to WB when they clashed and split the skies. Mihawk is under both of them when referring to “us” implying hes below

[@eloquitodelaesquina]

@@hasantariq869 A starting clash doesnt mean they are equals, it means they can clash, relative at most And also, thats not the point, noone even saw that, we are talking about what everyone thinks, because thats what Whitebeard's title is and why Mihawk said what he said No, Mihawk is not under both, EVERYONE is bellow Whitebeard in that statement

[@niello5944]

He also forgot that even Shanks himself hasn't really gone against Whitebeard (besides being part of Roger's crew). Whitebeard was also someone from a prior generation with his health declining for years and unlikely to be someone Mihawk cared to pick a fight with when Shanks was right there. He's the guy who Mihawk only lost interest around a decade before the main story and over a decade after Roger's death. Just because Mihawk enjoys fighting strong people doesn't necessarily mean he's the type to go out of his way and pick fight with people rather than having the fight comes to him. The bit about Mihawk not being able to challenge Whitebeard because he doesn't have a crew makes no sense at all. If Mihawk shows up and request a duel with Whitebeard is Whitebeard going to just let his crew handle Mihawk? Not happening. After a multiple people get defeated by Mihawk he's not just going to solve it by sending more of his crew without handling Mihawk himself. There's a lot of what if going on with the assumption Mihawk can't challenge big names because he didn't have a crew. Mihawk's also known as marine hunter, so it's also entirely possible that he had picked more fights with marines than pirates in the past before becoming a shichibukai. And after he became a shichibukai there's no way the marine is going to let him pick a fight with a yonkou openly when the role is to maintain balance with the yonkou.

[@basictrash7115]

I think this theory would fit more if Mihawk actually did best Shanks in a duel, with the cost of his theoretical place in the crew. One Piece goes to many lengths to show that while dreams are important, they're nigh meaningless if achieved alone. So Mihawk would work great as an example of someone who had no satisfaction in achieving his dream due to having no one to share it with. This would help smoothen out the endgame too since Mihawk has been set up as the final obstacle for Zoro for pretty much One Piece's entire lifetime so for their duel to have the unsatisfying conclusion of "actually Zoro had only best the second strongest swordsman" doesn't sit right with me.

[@user-ph8vy4kj4g]

Possibilty of someone besting Shanks, even in the past, is for some very hard to accept.

[@hylianechoes]

Awesome video! One thought i had specifically about the point where Zoro threatens to be the next to leave in Water seven, to me something definitely came of it in the fact that Luffy did kind of "step up" in the role as a captain in a crisis within the crew. Of course he still continues to be his goofy self etc but i never thought Zoro meant for him to give that up. Just handle the crisis as a captain which is what he did, which caused many tears for Usopp for Merry and for us all. But in the end i think that played a huge part in repairing the crew and gluing them together stronger than ever. And i think ever since that incident there has not really been any situation even close to that one where Zoro would have felt a need to leave the crew. Im just rambling at this point, great video and One piece for ever

[@NewfieCatgirl]

The Boogy scene stood out when you VA'd it. I watched it several times and typed it into my LoL game.

[@turnwaiter]

I think mihawk has hardly any real worthy opponents to sword fight. Doesn't seem like fighting a logia or kaido or something was interesting to him but he was interested in whitebeard iirc. I think shanks could hang with him in sword duels but when he lost his arm mihawk lost interest cause he see's no honor in fighting a one handed swordsman. Also there's the same problem where oda can't get too much into mihawk's backstory and motivations because he's zoro's endgame. Kinda like how we can't get kaido's full story cause of rocks.

[@snowarmth]

That is an awesome username :3

[@ActualHumanMigz]

I agree with 99% of this video. Where I differ may very well be a hot take: I think Mihawk at some point will begin to respect Buggy one way or another, with the same vitriol as the Straw Hats acknowledging that while Luffy can absolutely be an idiot but also a symbol of hope in the same breath. Buggy as a character made a huge flip with his proclamation in the faces of two people that could very well kill him. And this video aside, I think the live action gave him more parallel to Luffy than I initially realized on my first watch of it. Luffy is the rubber human because no matter how much you knock him down, he'll bounce right back. Buggy says you can slice him, and you can dice him, but he'll always put himself back together. This line coupled with his newfound conviction to REALLY fight for the One Piece I feel will push him to honing his overall strength, both in Haki that we've yet to see him display because he's always low-key been a coward, and awakening his Chop Chop fruit. Idk this could just be the mad ramblings of a Buggy fan but how could one think otherwise after that speech?

[@UhOhTheStoveIsOn]

I’d even argue that the respect started during Buggy’s speech

[@jeremybelgrave9130]

Ur right in the first 8 minutes I doscovered you were a extreme shanks fan

[@davidowusu1184]

This video makes that panel of Shanks telling Ben Beckmann its probably time to go after the one piece very interesting

[@teIekid]

I cant believe Joy Boy is scrapping the bottom of the barrel with powerscaling arguments

[@thisisme2014]

this video's real title is "shanks is stronger then mihawk"... and I,m gonna prove it with bunch of headcanon and out of context panels and dialogues...

[@JoyBoyTheories]

Continue watching past 8 minutes 😁

[@ifantsaurells3014]

Mihawk >> Shanks....

[@debatexdebate]

Nah Shanks wins extreme diff

[@killingmonkey11]

I think Rogers interpretation of the joy boy story was more "joy boy will reach laughtale" implying if you make it you're joyboy when in reality it's predicting the future of joyboy returning to the island. After making it there Roger realized his mistake, reread his history notes and sat down with shanks to pass on the legend. The real question is did Roger have the Nika fruit and was that what was making him sick? It would be clear confirmation if he had the fruit, made it there, you either are or aren't joyboy. It makes sense the Nika fruit would want to be with or near the most free spirited person alive if it really does have a will if it's own to avoid imprisonment.

[@liffidmonky1216]

First I laugh at the idea, then at the end of the video I was like oh okay you got me joyboy.