Your 8 String Guitar Tone Sucks

This is how to dial in a proper guitar tone for your 8 string guitar.
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[@KeyanHoushmandLive]

Try this the next time you dial in your 8 string guitar tone. Check out BIAS FX 2 here: bit.ly/3Jwca07 - Download this tone preset on the Tone Cloud!

[@kennethsmith5383]

I didn't realise there was a new update. Dang, gotta say the IR section is looking WAY better if that is the new update look.

[@wesselgeldenhuys6103]

I am using the Otto Audio 11 11. So with the bias setting at the back being up to medium warm (Dail at half way). Does it still make sense to drop master volume? Or am I understanding this wrong?

[@KamilKornacki]

For me, the game changer was using an EQ before a boost pedal to not overwhelm the amp with unnecessary frequencies. Try cutting some of 200-700Hz and you'll see how more controlled the tone becomes! Cheers ❤️

[@bedroomdjentextreme3281]

This worked so well for me too!

[@zacharyhaverkamp]

I play in Eb usually and it works great in higher tunings too

[@anormalguitarist1644]

ah yes the buster eq trick before the amp

[@danmaycock9238]

I do something similar by using 2 boosts; a Klon clone and Treble Booster clone. Take all the bass out then a bass EQ after the distortion to put it back in.

[@slixnoir]

What about for a 7 string?

[@nickharrisriffs]

This has been the #1 reason I haven't gone for an 8 string but you provided some great tips to get a tight, crisp tone. Great demo too! Cheers.

[@KeyanHoushmandLive]

I hope it helps you when you finally get your hands on one dude!

[@lostintheblur4380]

hey, I'm subscribed to you!!

[@Evi1penguin5]

And it's a great reason indeed 😄

[@clemlvn9598]

Recently discovered Richard Henshall solo album, and man the 8 string tone is the best I’ve ever heard in there

[@flynnedwards]

You have absolutely nailed the algorithm dude. There is so much more that goes into your videos than just the content, and I really appreciate it.

[@marcosamaral9658]

The problem with tone nowadays is that everyone must sound this or that way. Ok, your tone is awesome, and sounds exactly as every other tone from every other album produced by a good producer. This is not a critic on your work, since I cannot do half of this quality, I'm just sharing a thought.

[@louderthangod]

Very true. The original reason people loved bands like Meshuggah was that they were unique. I think too many musicians take the safe route by wanting to sound like their idols which is a reasonable place to start but if you don’t keep going down that road to find a sound that that really sounds like you and songwriting style that expresses what you uniquely bring to the music world then it gets far too homogenous and boring. I’m not saying be unique or weird for the sake of it because that just leads to novelty acts but find something expresses who you are are purely as possible.

[@Rewaser1234]

In my opinion, you should learn how to create a good balanced tone first before you can make something new that sounds not terrible

[@marcosamaral9658]

@@Rewaser1234 you are totally right, but nowadays everyone sound the same. Jamming at home I find myself going for the same tones that everybody uses, its sad though. I'm not criticizing the vídeo, the guy did an excelent job, It is Just a rant that nobody asked for, and will be forgotten. Thanks for your repply though.

[@Gmodifier]

@@marcosamaral9658 Creating a new tone that balances well with other instruments is quite difficult. Adding the compexity that is an eight string and it becomes very difficult. I have an Ibanez with EMG 808s. I can get a nice clean tone very easily, these pickups are very bright and have great clarity but getting a good distortion tone can be a nightmare. I just a new Multi-FX and yeah it's been hard to find a good balanced sound even with an external distortion

[@marcosamaral9658]

@@Gmodifier tks for the repply! You are absolutelly right, It is a nightmare indeed. EMG pickups are beasts, I guess that is a mix of blessing and curse have them. On my comment I didn't mean to offend that vídeo, but to say that we are going all to the same Path, and i cannot do it better. I would love to see people better than me experimenting, and not saying that tone is right or wrong.

[@gusnwosu928]

Amazing video! I play a 7 string but have always been confused as to the “why” of certain adjustments to make the tones I want. This was super helpful - thank you! 🤘🏾😎

[@tomglanville]

Thank you so much for this Keyan!

[@dbwastooshort]

oh my god i literally needed this video, perfect timing dude

[@diegolanza_]

This video provided great value, I really appreciate it. The new Bias FX 2 update is amazing and those new IRs really improve the quality of the tones. For my 8-string tone, I was using the BE101 or JM45 with an 808 OD in front, pushing those amps gives a tight low-end and clear mids, perfect for djenty stuff.

[@bazanderson8283]

good job man, great individual breakdown and will b applying to axe fx👊 thanks for sharing, super useful 🙏❤

[@frantiseksvarc1672]

Super helpful video for anyone who is trying to dial in heavy low tuned tone. Thank you!

[@wesselgeldenhuys6103]

I followed about the same steps with . Solar canibalismo V1.8c through scarlet 212i. I used the GVST gate with about the same settings you showed. TSE 808 v.2 with a slight but of drive, tone full and volume to preset setting. Into the OTTO audio 11 11 defualt. Such a big difference. Getting allot more punch. I wrote a whole Tech Death album on seven string and decided to transpose it to eight string. Setting up like this helps you get allot of the bite back you get from going lower.

[@robertleahu]

Very good tutorial, great job and great tone brotha

[@dannyriffs]

Sick video bro and that tone crushes!

[@ugur7227]

The pickup on that guitar is as premium as it gets for pickups (Lundgren). I think it plays a huge role in cutting the mix.

[@Deitheig]

I agree, It's literally designed for it haha

[@Degeneraion]

I have 7 string version in my old Ibanez 1077xl, This thing is nasty, put's the BKP aftermaths in my K7 to shame IMO, Also it's actually very versatile, leads sound great as well, coil splitting is nice too

[@IDGAFRANK]

just set up my FL daw like yours... primarily on the 8 so I am locked in for this vid.

[@binzianer]

Your tones are really something else! Sure helps that you are an amazing player!

[@zhimsy]

Thanks for this Keyan, super useful advice

[@daletree8341]

Thank you for sharing!

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

I actually learned a few things from this. I got my guitars sounding a little cleaner for the album I released earlier this year, but couldn't really figure out how to get *that* 8 string sound. However, I am going in the opposite direction for my next 8 string project. I have a super thick and kinda muddy tone to get a wall of noise, but then I split the humbucker to get more articulation for certain parts. Absolutely filthy tone, but that's what I'm going for, just trying to be as heavy as possible. XD

[@doomslayer_ch4280]

great tips in this video!! i'd recommend restringing your high e though, even with the double locking system lol

[@DielectricFailure]

*I’ve been using it to record but I usually cut almost all low end out and it sounds brutal! 🎧✨ Precise too!*

[@zAvAvAz]

Great work

[@frayedsanity]

That was a sick video mate! I am hoping to nab myself an 8 string soon - got a 7 string and a few 6-ers too, but would like an 8 string just cos hehe. Wicked tone. Loving the new biasfx 2 UI too! massive upgrade and loving the new DSP engine as well!

[@suso_alonso]

Great video. Thanks

[@thisguy2973]

In my experience, once you go below B, you should dial the gain back to get clarity. That nice articulation is hard to make noticeable without doing so.

[@danmaycock9238]

Adjust the EQ and relevant frequencies then start notching the gain up to taste.

[@Return2TheLiving]

Agreed but in this case where he wants these very audible mutes he needs the gain up. This might be the benefit of having two tracks one with the gain dialed back for the more articulated sectioned and for the more grimey meaty muted chugs you have his above

[@jake5590]

i love this breakdown, in addition I believe a lot of tone comes down to the player as well! I had a guitar teacher years ago who made my $150 guitar sound like a $1200 guitar simply because he was very very skilled!

[@Pericles777]

Double locking bridges have a very bright attack and I love the feel of it. Worth the extra tools IMO

[@camerasandcoffee3466]

Awesome video Keyan! I'm a new 8 string player and LOVE your tips for proper set up and dialing tones! Thank you! Subscribed!

[@vancybergoth]

My Schecter Damien Platinum 9 is coming in two weeks and will definitely try your tips.

[@IndependenceGuitar]

Going to try some of this.

[@MrLelo17]

awesome video. One thing you should address tho, that goes beyond 8 strings but all type of guitar playing, is the difference between solo guitar tone vs in the mix tone. I see people brining their solo guitar tone to a mix scenario and complaining something is wrong as it doesn't sound good within the context of the mix. Or vice versa, hearing a mix tone in a solo guitar environment and wondering why it sounds so shit alone but amazing in the mix.

[@AaronMorgan666]

Would setting any amp/preamp/plug settings at 5/halfway be a good starting point? And set the boost to traditional settings first (around max tone, 0 or barely on gain/drive, max volume) before or after dailing the amp and eq?

[@AaronMorgan666]

Amazing! How i wish my hd500x sounded with my frfr. Its good but not like this. Also sometimes use a mooer preamp pedal (5153) with a precision drive. Would you recommend the attack knob being max or near max for f or lower? Or for any tuning lower that B?

[@RECXFX]

Bias FX is often overlooked compared to Neural, but it has some really cool effects and lots of modulation options

[@mrm1dn1ght53]

I was trying out a bias head i haven't used in ages. Put it through my kemper with the amp and EQ disabled and was like, dang this still slaps.

[@flynnedwards]

I used Bias before Neural came out, and although it is good, I just think Neural beats it in the final tone you get. Definitely worth checking out though

[@RECXFX]

@@flynnedwards 100%. Neural has better amp simulation. BIAS I end up using for those weird lead tones (nu metal etc). The modulation tab has so many options to play around with. But say for eg the final tone for rhythm guitar, I would trust Neural.

[@Return2TheLiving]

Both offer a plethora of options but you aren’t locked down as much in bias, and to the majority of players who are not tone or mix savy, it’s a lot easier to dial something in or use some of the great presets in a NDSP plug in. With bias I think it requires a little more knowledge and willingness to work with it and experiment to get something beyond the scope of what most plugins can offer you. It’s like comparing daws, they are all fundamentally the same but many would argue certain ones are better once you get over that learning hurdle.

[@a.k2156]

When i got my 8 string it took quite a while to get used to hearing new low frequencies. Often i wasnt sure if playing right notes on low string. After a week or so it became more natural and things like dialing in the tone got easier. Did anyone else had that?

[@m3m3sis]

Even after the update the IR's suck. If one wants some free ones to try this software really out, Frightbox Recordings has a free IR pack. The bias IR's all feel like they have some sort of radiofilter aka lowpass filter on, even the updated ones.

[@theantihumanproject1581]

They sound dark

[@xbutmunch4382]

bro, I have been wondering why my low tune sounds so bad. Even going down to just drop G. This makes so much sense. A godsend. Especially when I don't see many guides using just Bias FX.

[@EggTamago7]

I don't have an 8 string, but I've still struggled with this on my 7 string when I go below B standard. I can usually get the 7th string sounding tight and how I want it to, but this always comes at the expense of the other 6 strings, causing them to sound lifeless and a bit shrill. Maybe it's a pickup thing, maybe it's a me thing. But, it seems to be a pretty fine line... to the point that I've just been ending up swapping back to my 6 string and having fun in Drop D instead lol

[@Deitheig]

just need to boost more mids and treble or try an eq. think of bass mid and treble as volume for the low mid and high sounds and it makes it easier. hope that helps

[@floridawilldrown]

I’m having this problem on my 8 string my low e sounds great but all other 7 strings don’t have the same bite. So I hope this video will help me out tonight.

[@izakmadrid8939]

Any chance you would do this kind of tone through the Quad Cortex? I honestly bought one after watching your vids, and would be awesome to have a tone on there! I primarily play 8 strings, so I was super excited to click on this vid once i saw the title haha.

[@mdn8334]

The one thing you have that makes the most difference is the scale length. Most 8 strings don't go above 27". Your M8 is 29" plus. Love that guitar. I'm making a six string copy at 30".

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

I got the cheapest left handed 8 string I could find that I could actually trust, which was a Schecter C-8 Deluxe and it has a 28" scale. The price has gone up quite a bit since I bought mine in 2018, but it rips with a professional setup and some optional mods. The neck on it is nice and flat too so it's pretty comfortable.

[@vanya65]

8 strings should never be less than 28" scale

[@AaronMorgan666]

One more thing, can you do a video on guitar set up? If you did it I'll have to rewatch it. I've been here for a while love what you do! But i havent been watching guitar videos in a bit.

[@oriononerom7985]

Great video now my 8s and 9s will finally sound good

[@jaredy18]

I run my guitar through some pedals before the interface. Precision drive into a noise gate gives you a great signal going in. I would like to add a color box before the drive tho. Also dont forget to cut some 4k in the eq! Takes the harsh scratches out a bit.

[@soulrebornofficial]

I recently. a strandberg metal 8 and I really struggle to create a tone that satisfies me! This video is very interesting but I can't find your preset on tonecloud! It's possible?

[@juankraks8754]

i dont have an 8 string but i use a whammy pedals or the transposers to get to low notes and i want to get a baritone 7 string to tune down like an 8 string just like invent animate, and i noticed that in those options it sounds different and i need to do different stuff to make those options sound the way i want and sometimes i feel it is harder than an actual 8 string

[@FJcruisemissile]

Can someone explain to me how to get amps and plug a guitar into your computer? I feel like I got so left behind with this stuff

[@Christian.Means.]

Thank you for the knowledge big dawg. 🤟🔥 Do you happen to use Helix/HX Stomp products? Id be really intrigued to see a video of the glorious 8 string tones you can get with one of them bad boys. 🤷‍♂️

[@msi1985]

These settings seem to work for the particular guitar you're using with the pickup etc. I noticed that when I'm trying to dial and tones. Using similar plugin and similar methods. I'm still really having too much low end n i'm not getting that tight tone. I have been trying to experiment using different cabinets. Different impulse responses. And i'm even when as far as purchasing impulse responses that were mixed and mastered 7 and eight string guitar.

[@hyperbolekid]

That guitar is incredible but wld be great to hear it thru real amp or a top end profiler. Sonic Drive Studios uses that guitar w real amps through IRs and it sounds massive!! BiasFX has that colder digital tone to me but you did a decent job w software. 🤘

[@gee6740]

something else worth mentioning is the height of ur pickups, it really cleans up the note for note definition especially on 7 and 8 strings where the strings are getting alot thicker, been playing around with a double drop c tuning that uses gauge 100 strings and this was one of the main ways i managed to clean up the tone.

[@SirLongBongFatRipps]

100? Jesus dude, why? 76 or 80 is perfectly fine for double drop C.

[@gee6740]

@@SirLongBongFatRipps i'll try something lighter when i can but i had a 90 and it felt a bit too loose still

[@qerzuk]

@@SirLongBongFatRipps not really lol. Even on a 30 inch anything under 95 is to thin. Loathe uses 105 for c#, within the ruins 110 for c.

[@detonator6]

Is this amp also included in the "Standard" BIAS FX 2 version?

[@alexdennison3136]

Can you do a similar video with Neural DSP plugins?

[@cagedoctaves]

Puzzled as to why you go to the trouble of buying an Ibanez M80M (tuned F standard - down one semi-tone from an 8-string guitar in F# standard) to then tune it a la Tosin Abasi (Drop E). Wouldn't it make more sense to leave it in the factory Meshuggah tuning?

[@numbersabcdefg]

Do you have a Fortin 33 pedal? How does that do with this amp, if you do?

[@benjaminblanck7662]

I have one question. I feel that in the full mix this tone sounds amazing. My mind was blown when I first heard that. But when the guitar was just played by itself I did not love the tone. So do you have any recommendations on finding the balance or do I just need to suck it up and find what is best for the mix even if the tone by itself is not my favorite?

[@KeyanHoushmandLive]

Tone in the mix is very different from a tone that you just jam on. Once you mix it with the rest of the track, it’s done so in a very surgical and specialised way. Finding the balance between the two and then going the rest of the way towards “mix tone” with some extra post production is usually my go to

[@MrHarveywuk]

Love your tone man just wondering what string gauges/brand you are running on the m80 I'm having a hard time finding strings that actually work with the scale length! Thanks

[@DennisFeinsteinCEO]

He uses and is endorsed by The String Source. AMAZING strings. I've been using them for about 2 years straight now bc of Keyan actually! For the guitar here, he says he has an 80 on for drop E 🤙

[@Kryptonix1418]

Me watching this whilst only owning a line 6 Spider for my 8 string: "Must be nice"

[@TheHybridMind]

Hey dude! Did you double track this? Or is there some stereo magic that I’m missing..? It’s so wide.

[@Gatecreeper69]

I love my m80m and kemper 😩❤️

[@Lwitkowski]

I had this guitar. Hated that bridge. But it made sense actually. Those micro tuners really helped. Would love if somehow you didn’t have to cut the strings like on edge ibby trems. This pickup was the best one I’ve had. Was above even fishmans. Cool vid

[@willb1157]

Late comment i know. But yep. Knowing why makes all the difference. Well done - you certainly helped me.

[@tomverde86]

That bias fx2 was for iOs too?

[@KaneSatieMusic]

Mate you look like you have just woken up from a bender !!! Sick vid as usual and noice guitar 🎸

[@Chretze]

Great, I downloaded the updated version of Bias FX2 and now it won't load and is stuck in the loading screen forever... awesome.

[@dzemperator]

is thath an m8m?

[@leedurand3449]

YOURGOOD...

[@NeoGarlick]

EQ with some head can do really good additions to any guitar tone of any style, EQ it's the best friend for musisians :'3

[@spoonerluv]

Maybe it's just a coincidence but I still hear all of the popping and clicking while playing the guitar that I had while using BIAS years ago. I don't get this behavior in any other plug-in, even adjusting the sample rate to not obliterate my PC's resources. I don't know why anyone would hand them their money with that behavior not being corrected after all of these years.

[@jessekuntz458]

I got a really fuckin sweet tone for my 8 string by doing a y split after the drive pedal. One path is for the low end and the other is for the traditional guitar frequencies. Each path starts with an high/low pass EQ. Then the low end path goes to a bass amp and cab and the other goes to guitar amp and cab. Then the signal remerges and I blend them. I'm not down tuning, but it still sounds heavy as fuck.

[@bryanutterback4074]

What track is that

[@guilhermematta]

Ficou d+

[@MatthewKirkum]

It doesn't have a trem, though? just a locking nut and a bridge that looks like their version of a trem

[@walterfreeman283]

Same guitar same plugin a lot different tone 😅 wich strings do you use?

[@13_cmi]

I don’t even have an 8 string. But I might get a mandolin at some point if that counts as an 8 string guitar.

[@thatsameenergy]

Important note for people running real amps: dont EVER run your tube amp without it being hooked up to a cab. You will absolutely blow that amp up.

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

More treble. More mids. Less bass. Way less gain. Add a clean boost in front. That should do it. 😄

[@positivegrid]

At 0:25 an entire civilization on another planet in another galaxy was suddenly destroyed.

[@vesellin]

Keyan please ditch the multiple sibscribe bell notifications throughout the video

[@mack_reese]

yeah kinda

[@KeyanHoushmandLive]

perhaps

[@themightymcb7310]

This is missing the biggest part of heavy guitar tone imo, the cab! A bad cabinet or cab sim will ruin even the nicest amps and modelers.

[@Ewright85]

Can you explain how to get a Sleep Token type tone?

[@SOYUSE]

I found it sounding weak, poor and boring in the mix for my taste. Don't know if this is cuz of pickups or not.

[@aegistechreviews7410]

pickups make barely any difference at all. It's probably just not EQd to your preference because to me it sounds great.

[@SOYUSE]

​@@aegistechreviews7410 Maybe because I prefer a big texture sound with growl in lows like Spiritbox or Erra. But I disagree about pickups. At least output means a lot, preamp saturation is depending on that. Pickup height also determines how it sounds. On this clip the guitar sounds very clean in terms of saturation and without balls for my taste considering it's an 8-string, which can kick the shit out.

[@qerzuk]

@@SOYUSE spiritbox tone is carried by the bass guitar, tho. It's hell weak without it.

[@SOYUSE]

@@qerzuk understood.

[@stevenhammerle]

​@@qerzuk and thats something many people dont know about getting that heavy "djent" like sound its the syncopation of guitars, bass and drums that give it that heaviness

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KRYSTINEKUZUKAZA...$1501...

[@undercoil]

Hmmm....

[@finnancahill2644]

The scale length of an 8 string is the most important part imo. A longer scale guitar will have a closer relative pickup position to the bridge, making the tone a lot brighter. A 27.5 inch 8 string will sound better than a 26.5 with the highest quality of hand wound pickups

[@FrancoW1]

My 8 string guitar tone doesn't suck, HAH! But my 7 string tone does. *sad 7 string peasant noises*

[@JTTTTT850]

Key: don’t use EMG 808’s they sound like mudbutt

[@sjc2052]

erm actually its not a tremolo its just a double locking hardtail bridge 🤓

[@LudaPlaysRetro]

This is a lie, cause the intro does not sounds like the guitar in the last minutes. You modifie a lot the sound in post production

[@Daniel-vu4qu]

Ahh nice, The Sleep Token guitar

[@RojuOfficial]

Meshuggah signature!

[@patrickrocha1810]

Have you finally found a good 8 string bro? 😂😂😂

[@landhomer4627]

less lows more highs and mid

[@dii9025]

*Promo SM* 😱

[@kellytostada9949]

Ah yes. Buy an 8 string guitar. Drop tune it to play low and heavy. Then cut ALL the low frequencies because they end up sounding like trash. Mission accomplished! :)

[@xizt5973]

bro just dialled an average tone on a 5K guitar

[@ErebosGR]

I'm a simple man; I see Positive Grid, I hit dislike.

[@josipher5213]

😂

[@Christian.Means.]

😮😂

[@unabridgeddick6645]

An 8 string with a George Floyd?

[@menschlicheswesen84]

So it mean's without a laptop, your'e fucked...🤔 Technic is wierd, it destroys much during it makes wonderfull thing's for us... I hate using any computer, even my smartphone sometimes, but i love playing guitar... If you are like that, you will never make it in today's music world... Sad... If i go on a live rock/metal concert today, i now that 60% of what comes out of the speakers, is pre recorded and not live... I wanna hear a difference between a liveshow and the band's album... If that's not possible, then the audience need to know that...

[@saamo1423]

You have brain damage