Your Account Could Get Banned Anytime… (TOS Update)

[@paull.9884]

Inactivity is nonsense. The main pro of this game is that your account is supposed to always exist.

[@SaviJundGuy]

Inactivity means they are not making money off of you.

[@SaviJundGuy]

Then after so long, your phone will out the app to sleep and now they can't even get location data from you.

[@Jayveersinh_Raj]

@@SaviJundGuy Exactly their plan is to make way more than the game itself makes by selling user data. I have to see how is this app not banned with such ridiculous policies in the Europe, maybe there are not aware of it yet. And obviously they want you to constantly at least log in so that they steal your data.

[@johnkim9086]

probably the best way for niantic to make money is to delete your account and hope that you become a whale again.

[@omarholder9036]

​@@Jayveersinh_Rajno. It's gonna be region specific. If elements are illegal in your territory, then the terms of service have to abide. If it's that scary for Americans it's because your corporate politicians have left you with no consumer protection rights at all.

[@TheLOTSChannel]

Inactivity is crazy. Remember when there was no team rocket, no remote raids, ect. The game was super boring to me so I didnt play for 2 years then I started again.

[@royprince7405]

Exactly my case bro, I was day one player and had almost everything then stopped in end of 2017 came back like 8 months ago and was blown away at the amount of new stuff like you mentioned raids team rocket etc. I would’ve lost my account if they had started this just sooner

[@Goldfishfan212]

Same, stopped playing in 2017 came back in 2022 and was blown away with all the changes.

[@vis_18]

same. i had literally 0 pokestops in my town back in 2016 and no way to play and advance. so i had to quit for 2 years approx

[@mandr3w350]

Stopped 2017 started 2 weeks ago

[@mariyamkhan745]

@@Goldfishfan212 damm we all had similar experience, It's actually sad if they don't change this

[@Spencerguitarplayer]

The whole new tos is very very sketchy.

[@KurtHokage]

Ya we need a new app like this 😂

[@SirMopy]

there is onla ONE new point added ffs.... it's the cheating point where they can search your device for software. the rest was already in it for years... holy heck why does nobody read this?!?! CUNTjinsula started this whole drama because he didnt do proper research beforehand... that's a mess

[@tracyblackfox152]

For a game that is just for fun they sure put way too many enforcements on it my god. It's a game and they're acting like you're holding the codes to the nukes.

[@Zai_Gundam]

Niantic: WAIT YOU'RE BREATHING????!?!!?!! BANNNNEDDDD

[@edwardsmith3274]

You bought lunch? Banned

[@drchourav9024]

You farted? banned

[@domdomdomme1203]

If they were to start deleting “inactive” accounts, they clearly need to state after what certain time they consider an account inactive, this is insane. Never seen such a shady company in my 15 years of gaming

[@oneonone8855]

Google does it all the time. Disable inactive KZbin accounts.

[@louwe05]

@@oneonone8855true but they stated it will be removed after 2 years, niantic never stated for how long! Huge difference!

[@philpri1277]

No it's crazy how I just read an article like an hour ago if you do over 160 rocket grunts you can get a ban on your account that is absolutely nuts

[@gellyzer0949]

Wait so they didn’t actually limited how many rockets you can do ? It goes by how fast I doing rockets? Welp guess city players got something to worry about than

[@Paintballpro18]

Okay but how many people are doing 160 rockets a day? I get you can have an event or maybe a bonus, but even saying each rocket takes 2 minutes plus a leader each (cuz let's be honest we aren't doing rockets just to do them) that's 6 hours of gameplay... the only time I ever play this game for more than 3 hours in a day is CDs, raid days, or GO fest/tours. I'm one of the highest levels in my area, so I can guarantee you this stat isn't even hit at all. Promise you I'm not a Niantic defender, just saying even if this is true 160 grunts in a day is absolutely crazy, minus the distance you'd have to probably cover to even do all those grunts with their 30 minute timer

[@philpri1277]

@Paintballpro18 So I live in downtown Detroit And honestly There are about over 60 rocket grunts on the every other day Base the most I hit was probably about 35 I would test out the theory but I don't want to get banned

[@Paintballpro18]

@@philpri1277 again I understand there are places that CAN have this happen, but the actual time it would take to do such a task is far beyond what an average player is going to do. As you said yourself you do 35, you're still 125 from hitting this questionable mark even. To me this is one of those unachievable tasks such as the catch and stop spin limit. They are there so you aren't just gaining XP and stardust in a broken manner, but who actually hits these limits in a normal day of play? Basically what I'm asking: what average player should even concern themselves over this fact?

[@ENGELGO]

50 to 100 per day or 1400 defeating 1 recruit per minute

[@PdxGod1999]

Man if they ban my account for not playing I would quit lol I didn’t play till this year since 2016 and didn’t get terminated thank god

[@Jayveersinh_Raj]

Its better than letting them steal your data. By the way even if you log in once a month, that's all they need that's why they are banning non active accounts so that people are forced to log in so they can get the data.

[@KingBriju]

Hi Billy, Niantic & Pokemon go is not fair for everyone... #PokemonGo is much better for people in cities or who are ready to spend real money daily.. niantic never understood the real problem faced by rural areas. They thought just adding new GYMs/Pokestops or increasing spawns make game fair for everyone. The real problem with the game is people in rural areas can't do tier 5+ raids in their local gyms because of lack of players because people either stopped playing or they go for work far away or for college & by the time they reach home, raids in all gyms already over or people aren't interested to come out after work to play Pokemon go. Another problem we face in Goa, India is people consider Pokemon as children's game & moment they see us on streets playing Pokemon they would loudly make tease calling u "Pokemon" & laugh. Niantic may say they introduced remote raid pass & they can invite anyone to raid, but raid pass are more expensive then normal pass & people get to do less raids in same amount of coins..also some people do remote raids only for desk entry so u can't do 30 to 100 raids in rural areas like people in Big cities do....we might get to invite people online but if they aren't our best friends we get less balls & energies... so how is game fair for all ...? Because of these unfairness people cheat or spoof & unintentionally break TOS & player/trainer guidelines... But niantic is a little selfish.. before whenever your account was terminated, all services linked to you game were getting suspended, like wayfarer. But now they remove ban from wayfarer, meaning they allow u to vote & reviews nominations of others on your wayfarer account linked to your terminated game account, because they don't have enough people who do reviews on wayfarer...this is little selfishness on their part ... Not just that even punishments in game are only 3 strikes while on wayfarer they made ledder system & they even said they will forgive people after one year if they change their behaviour... I request you to please talk to niantic problems faced by us & unban all people whose accounts are permanently terminated & focus on making game fair for all & once they do they can follow their terms of service strictly... I can challenge you or anyone from niantic to visit my village, stay here just for 8 days & survive playing Pokemon go doing raids like you all do in big cities

[@shahazhakim6919]

On the wayfarer point. My pokestops kept popping up as duplicate, if it duplicate, pop up the pokestops. It's very frustrating

[@markrinaldi8485]

​@@shahazhakim6919Wayfair is always frustrating. Some good ones don't even go through including appeals

[@KingBriju]

@@shahazhakim6919 may be poi available in other game

[@PokemonGoGoa]

True & no one will address this ...big youtubers should talk to niantic

[@reddannyo3863]

@@KingBriju this is so true , I’ve got a separate account from my main one (since I live in the middle of nowhere) that I raid on and sometimes give shinies from the raids to my main , hopefully that won’t come back to bite me

[@gwvaio]

lol why would I consent to niantic to search through my phone? That’s insane

[@domdomdomme1203]

If you have an iPhone they can’t, it’s technically impossible for them to

[@oneonone8855]

Kernel is the new and only way to stop cheaters, this is a very old way used games like in The Divison, Call of Duty, Valorant and many more games.

[@johnattanhaddock4737]

Why? 🤔​@@domdomdomme1203

[@louwe05]

@@domdomdomme1203true, apple builded an operating system for both iPhone and Mac where security always gets top priority (you can update most likely every 2 weeks just for safety and bugs etc.) + when I opened Pokemon go, I never got asked to share that they can look through my phone while some apps other apps have asked to!

[@Mxhrzahl]

@@domdomdomme1203i spoof on iphone but nothing crazy i play the game normal just that i use joystick no teleport or only excellent catch can i get banned

[@superdajoka]

I updated pokemon go and now nothing will load. I tried uninstalling and re-installing, clearing cache, refreshing game data, and I still can't get it to work. The game is unplayable for me and a lot of people and Niantic doesn't care. We can't sue them and they will get away with giving us a game that DOESN'T EVEN WORK anymore. Niantic is just as bad, if not, worse than EA at this point.

[@DimitriMoreira]

Of course you can sue them. Waving a constitutional right is not something that any private company can do and won't hold up in court. Legal Eagle has amazing videos on the subject.

[@SaviJundGuy]

I declined the new TOS and it won't let me play unless I accept. Guess I'm not playing then.

[@justinxas]

Well yeah, how could you use a service (the game) if you do not accept the terms of using it? lol

[@Jayveersinh_Raj]

@@justinxas Do you even realize what it means? They can access your entire phone, your activity, save it, sell it, use it in any manner they like. This ain't a normal in game policy, this is them dictating you that they do not care about you play or don't. Moreover, they'll make billions of dollars by selling your data, this seems to be the obvious reason, they are disguising it as "anti spoof", make your algorithms better than scanning my phone, you ain't fooling anyone.

[@ryanzutell1423]

God you’re so cool

[@Alkaizer87]

@@justinxas Yeah they're taking accounts hostage.

[@justinxas]

@@Alkaizer87 what do you mean "hostage" xD you either play it and accept or you don't, that's it.

[@domdomdomme1203]

3:42 they can’t access your phones content on iPhone. Each App runs in its own sandbox, prohibiting cross-tracking and accessing files. They only get access to things you’re granting them, such as camera, photos, location, etc. That’s the way iOS works, I can’t speak for android though. So most likely they could only see whether or not your iPhone would be jailbroken or not, which nowerdays isn’t even possible anymore anyways.

[@kmichalene]

I did a little research and in 2021 Google implemented a policy prohibiting most apps from being able to look at their clients list of apps/programs. Obviously, it's still possible for Niantic to see weird activity on their own apps.

[@rwolfeosrs954]

these false bans is why i stoped playing, i got banned twice last year and now out of fear i stoped completely to not loose my account

[@reddannyo3863]

@@rwolfeosrs954 I’ve got a strike before when playing while on a motor way it’s ridiculous , and I see people streaming while spoofing and not getting a strike or ban !!

[@chads3868]

Most of this stuff has always been in the tos. They mostly updated the legal stuff to prevent us from suing them

[@Paintballpro18]

I keep saying this. The only thing that is newly stated is the class action, everything else has been able to be done before, people are just now getting up in arms about it. To be fair that's a little shady when you call out we can't participate in a class action against a company as if they KNOW they are going to do something that infringes upon our rights collectively later on. That combined with our already lack of trust with their communication with us, and I can guarantee something messy will come of this

[@DimitriMoreira]

Which you can still do.

[@GenGUNZY]

What i DONT like, is that they dont tell you a time period on how long your account CANT be inactive. soo 6 months? a year? two years? i just got back to playing again and NOW im afraid that my Lv 50 account will be delete if i take a break.

[@troophq]

Half of those Terms would not wash here - we have the Consumer Guarantees Act to protest us against this BS

[@slater140778]

Google now give access to your user id to Niantic when you use a Google account to login to Pokemon Go

[@bodhisattwachanda3436]

Honestly I'm saying with these terms The downfall of Pokemon Go is just began... For me if they banned me well I quit honestly...

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I believe that most Pokemon Go players will actually subconsciously be grateful if the game didn't exist anymore or if Niantic banned them for whatever dumb reason because 99.999% of players would NOT start over from scratch. They would actually feel a sigh of relief no matter how much they enjoyed playing the game. They would move on to another game that doesn't work in the same way that Pokemon Go does (having to physically go outside to specific locations, etc). Let's not pretend like any of us ever needed Pokemon Go as an excuse to spend time with friends, relatives, etc or to get exercise or to go outside to get some fresh air.

[@domdomdomme1203]

2:58 wrong, they don’t clearly line up what falls under those rules, they only give a few examples, such as: Spoofing Account sharing Having multiple accounts Selling stuff It’s still unclear for example whether or not IV or PvP apps fall into this category or not, they still haven’t specified anything so clearly stating what would what and wouldn’t be allowed would only be fair

[@brandonspiesman2627]

I feel like they just gonna get sued from a entity. You cant just do whatever u want with no repercussions.

[@FilthyUnbound]

As someone that used to spoof and already got a warning, this update terrifies me

[@Dom-um4wz]

Same I spoofed like 5 years ago but play legit now

[@FilthyUnbound]

@@Dom-um4wz that’s what I’ve been doing. I play 100% legit now but spoofed for a while. I even got rid of a lot of the Pokemon caught while spoofing

[@scoogyskoogz1869]

I’ve gotten 3 strikes back in 2016 for spoofing most of my Pokémon were ❌ never got a permanent ban but I was soft banned for months then I quit in 2017 just started playing again legit don’t plan on ever cheating again I’m not worried about bit

[@krihs_krihs]

Can’t you submit appeals

[@girlsnotblue3804]

.ive noticed that all the spoofers that run all the gyms in my town are gone

[@kmichalene]

So annoying, isn’t it? Seems like one person completely owns three or four gyms where I am. They have red, blue, and yellow teams. One near me has basically the same user name for every trainer, and Niantic does nothing!

[@girlsnotblue3804]

@kmichalene .it's actually crazy, I live in a tiny town, there's a guy with no joke 7 accounts, if I post a new shiny he hasn't gotten yet he makes sure to take me out IMMEDIATELY until he has it, I took him out once and took me out of every gym I was in simultaneously all at once, then he wouldn't let me have a gym for a week to teach me a lesson, no one messes with him here

[@kmichalene]

@@girlsnotblue3804 bizarre!

[@kmichalene]

@girlsnotblue3804 at this very moment a person UWGG is dominating 4 gyms. He, and a someone going by gbraph simply own the gyms in my neighborhood. I don't think it's fair, though Niantic is supposedly all about fairness 🙄🙄🙄

[@jandgmodteam3754]

The best part is that (at least for me and my neighbor) they will ignore your opt out request until after the 30 days so it becomes invalid

[@DimitriMoreira]

For the law, it doesn't matter when they see it. What matters is when you send the request. It's not your fault that they can't read emails. Your job is done.

[@julesa.5268]

So how far can they look in to a phone beyond looking to see what apps you have ? Can they look into messages and etc ?

[@ChronoSquare]

Depending on how invasive the search is this feels like why they need that onerous anti class action lawsuit clause lol

[@Jayveersinh_Raj]

They can, you have to see what permission it requires. For example if an app requires permission to use microphone or camera, they can spy on you by using microphone or camera in background without you even realizing.

[@drchourav9024]

It is illégal to look at message and stuff like that, i think they just look your apps and that it, i ,puld be surprise if they go farther

[@julesa.5268]

@@Jayveersinh_Raj I usually keep my camera and microphone blocked with I can.

[@DimitriMoreira]

And this is exactly why I don't permit the app to do anything beyond location. Not even amera the camera since I don't use AR. They won't search my phone through their app.

[@ChronoSquare]

I think changing what you have in your account might be necessary for compensation. An example would be, you have a remote raid, you get in and finish the raid but the game crashes and the raid ended at its location so you can't rejoin for the rewards & catch. I lost a remote pass to an origin Palkia like this where i finished the raid but the game closed before i could catch it & the raid finished so i couldn't rejoin. They can refund passes in these cases, if you have snapshot of the journal to prove the claim. I think i got a pass back from support, i don't remember clearly.

[@andrewfuller6361]

In the past I’ve gotten passes back for this. But recently it happened 3 times and they refused to give me the passes back.

[@scoogyskoogz1869]

I just got my pass back and they gave me a free extra one during the rayquaza raid day for the same issue

[@andrewfuller6361]

@@scoogyskoogz1869 weird. Seems inconsistent.

[@Jaydeekay-f7f]

If you used an IV checker two years ago they can still ban you. But autocatchers are fine.

[@markrinaldi8485]

It's third party so technically not. Like pokegenie etc

[@GalaxyDragon-xv9ju]

I used to love pokemon go, now I hate pokemon go.

[@lelouchchanbc]

Those technical issues may remain unsolved, for example Go Battle League lagging overlap two more Pokemon, overlap Pokemon with Pokestop and Gym. This is because Niantic was lack of professional software engineer used to be troubleshooting these technical issues. In last year, Niantic fired about 230 it's employees this will including software engineers.

[@KingMasterHot]

So basically they can hack/know things about your bank account.

[@DimitriMoreira]

If your bank app is trash and you don't use a VPN to encrypt your data and you let Niantic search through your phone, then it is most likely.

[@theresa337]

I know a little arbitration. I thought CA had laws against Arbitration clauses. Arbitration always in favor of businesses. Those judges get paid commission from companies so there is no incentive to favor individual clients.

[@dannyzoofoo]

Picture looks great! Are you recording in 4k or HD? And thanks for PoGo update 🤟

[@SaviJundGuy]

The other creepy thing is if you don't have your location turned on they can just go into your phone and turn it on.

[@leegordon1135]

No they cannot.

[@mruniverse5058]

Tf is this kid yapping about. They literally cant.

[@Paintballpro18]

Bro what?

[@paulphillips2701]

Years ago they already were checking phones for GPS emulators and prevented you playing if they were installed.

[@travishomewood8657]

For the taking things from the account I feel like that applies for like the situation with the black/white kyurem. When those dropped and people got them Niantic had to snatch stuff back. That's kind of reasonable but really just don't drop stuff by accident. no biggy

[@babyseal8822]

I see someone who just returned to the game after these TOS Update, he said the last time he login was 2017

[@brucewayne9531]

Narcissistic Dictatorship over a video game

[@davidgutshall5207]

The reason they stated they can remove anything at anytime is because of an accidentally released something that is not supposed to be released.

[@SingleBarrelSB]

You totally skipped over how pokemon go is a 18+ game now. Kicking minors out of events without parents there. HOLY man its pokemon whats up with that

[@YoHugo]

they really said "yeah, we're a scummy company. and we're proud of it."

[@cameronmathes8062]

Thanks Billy!! I don’t think anyone has anything to worry about unless they actually cancel an event they travelled to or did anything to mess with the games mechanics we all should be good and not panic because at the end of the day they still need and want people to play they won’t just terminate someone account for no reason

[@Jayveersinh_Raj]

You have no idea of the implications of allowing your entire phone's data. And they want people to login once in a while so they can make billions by selling their data, it has nothing to do with inactivity or anything.

[@Paintballpro18]

​@Jayveersinh_Raj if you're worried about PoGo, you have another thing coming. Commenting here on KZbin, which is owned by Google, means you've already given most of that data away lol. Google and Facebook could write a biography of anyone with an account through them.

[@maranatha9924]

@@Paintballpro18 You hit the nail on the head. PoGo should be the least of people's worries when it comes to sharing data.

[@bryanlf7487]

To keep my phone safe I put my account on a different phone that I don’t really use anymore.

[@PikaBFF]

I get a lot of drift from where I live. Just teleporting to 1 place and the it teleports me back. I don't have any spoofing apps or anything. Am I safe?

[@TheTrainerClub]

Yes drift is not cheating it’s part of living in a city

[@PikaBFF]

@@TheTrainerClub Thank you! Just wanna make sure.

[@EgzyD]

Oh man that inactivity part made me download the game and log in after almost 2 years..i wanted a few shinies on my main series game specially zamazenta. Pokemon go is so much easier to get any shiny to complete my shiny living dex in pokemon home.

[@tkvibes117]

I want to know what is your thought on spoofing because it is hard living on the countryside.

[@vis_18]

if you take my advice, make an alternate account for spoofing, never spoof on ur main account. and if spoof you must, as you have no means to advance in the usual way, always be prepare for the worst and dont get too attached.

[@scoogyskoogz1869]

Don’t spoof you will get banned just play the game legit or don’t play at all. You can’t tell me you don’t have any poke stops in the closest town to you. Put a little library in front of your home and then you have a poke stop at your house it’s that easy……

[@michaelminer7638]

Let me just build a library quick🤦🏽‍♂️​@scoogyskoogz1869

[@furryweeber8711]

This video is like two weeks too late

[@Blaze-ut5vl]

These new TOS are brutal. And beyond scary imo.

[@michaelhughes2969]

Lucky I started playing 8 months ago, I started an account when game came out played for a day then never played again

[@bradameerbeg2154]

I’m not sure I like them thinking they can just look at the apps on our phones. What else can they see?

[@leonwatkins5072]

I’m not a fan of totally banning spoofing I get it but if u are disabled or have had mental health and live in a area which has little to no players to do raids u never be able to catch anything plus iv known spoofers to help those players also lucky trades are great but if u never meet them in person it’s a waste of time being lucky friends at the end of the day everyone has the right to enjoy this game

[@leegordon1135]

Yes AS ITS INTENDED to be played. Nothing gives any person the right to cheat, and spoofing is cheating.

[@seejoshrun1761]

I have spoofed some, and will continue to do so. So many features in this game are designed poorly on purpose to get more location data or money out of the players. Unless you live in a huge city or have a very consistent and dedicated in-person group, raiding legendaries is basically impossible these days. After the remote raid pass nerf, not nearly enough people remote in to host on pokegenie or similar apps. I've tried. Same with lucky trading. Since you can make friends from across the world, whose bright idea was it to have a big reward (lucky trades) at the end of becoming best friends that you have to be in person to use? I recognize that, when you spoof, you run the risk of bans as their terms describe. And that is what it is - they're allowed to enforce that as they choose. But I think it goes beyond "spoofing is cheating, why would you cheat?". Especially for the type of spoofing that's not hurting anyone and still puts money in Niantic's pocket. In-person raid passes are either the result of exploring (getting coins from gyms) or spending money. And lucky trades are just the well-earned capstone of 90+ days of interacting with a friend.

[@luckymedic1438]

For the inactivity one, since old players have not played since this TOS, does that mean their account is safe until they accept?

[@louwe05]

Idk but I was thinking about it earlier, if you never accepted their terms and they actually do that? Why not sueing them? (You never accepted the terms so they not immune for it right?)

[@borrellipatrick]

Appreciate the video explaining because alot of people using it to scare people because nobody reads the terms of service.

[@Sidb26]

I updated PGO this morning and the roads and pokemon and the avater have dissapeared, i tried uninstalling but it installed the same, i even restarted the phone, any ideas

[@bgerry9]

Seems there is an issue with some avatar outfits. Log in on another device change out clothes seems to fix it.

[@Calmhell]

I think you got Ban

[@Sidb26]

@@bgerry9 when i try to go onto my avatar to change style there is nothing but the background, even if i try going into shop to try, even when i try on my other device

[@Sidb26]

@@Calmhell how would i find out if i have been banned

[@Sidb26]

@@bgerry9 i have tried this but it didnt work

[@timothybarr8241]

The facts they can tell you you can’t two accounts for this game is insane

[@JReybabay]

My theory is that they are going to ban everyone that gave them an unsatisfactory score on their recent survey

[@Andreamom001]

I’ve never spoofed. But I have PokeRaid and Poke Genie. Will those one day be an issue? Also, did you hear that doing 160 rocket team battles in one day gets you a 7-day ban? (Balloons aren’t included.)

[@GladiatorInBed]

What if we trade someone in our community that spoofed a Pokemon without our knowledge?

[@cpk9999]

straight to jail

[@chainsgirl73]

This is sketch. Stay out of my phone. Niantic messed up when they nerfed RRP. No one likes spoofers, but there are bigger issues that should be addressed. We used to drop $20-$40 here and there bc it was fun and we didn’t feel like we were getting ripped off. We don’t spend even 1/4 of that now… but now they’re saying they can just come take our coins? 🤔 Not cool.

[@lamiafarjana1990]

Do they also mean they won't give backs raid pass due to raid bug?

[@DarkReefRising]

Highly doubt, i think that they'll continue

[@oneonone8855]

They will. Just that they do not need to.

[@louwe05]

They legally can but they won’t do it, if they do that the hole game would go die then (losing something you have the right to or maybe even spended money on without getting something will get player to leave, that’s how it works!)

[@scoots291]

Oh hey you have 100+ raid passes. Well now you don't

[@RetroExhibitCollective]

“Oh you’ve spent $10k on your account?” BANNED!

[@TreFKennedy]

Dope vid Billy and yea Nerfantic new TOS seem sinister

[@kaylynbauer2252]

I'd wonder if stuff like calcy iv and pokegenie are deemed cheating. Spoofing is obvious but those don't affect your game in a drastic way.

[@a.ramosakadrumgrl6677]

In the TOS it states you have to go to arbitration, no court and it’s difficult to win in arbitration with a billion dollar company. If everyone quit playing all at once for a year, they would go bankrupt. We still have the power over them by quitting the game.

[@louwe05]

But no one will really quite the game if you still get events that seem fun and get successful, I really think that niantic will still compensate for bugs etc. (regardless their terms stated that they legally can’t) because that is the main reason players quite really fast, just not getting an compensation that they actually have the right to (you can compare it to real life, like you get robbed and then they found the thief and the thief doesn’t need to compensate what they have stolen from you ‘Legally’, no one would like that right?)

[@nymphiachan5822]

I created my lower account without any cheating or spoof downloaded to these accounts or even my main account, I make lower account because I want 2nd Celebi and Shaymin. Then after log out my lower account to add friend with my main account. And I log in back to my lower account, so I can accept friend request from main account . Then it said “*Your account got permanently terminated*” And I don’t know what did I do.

[@louwe05]

I’m apologizing before hand because I don’t know what you mean because you mentioned spoofing or cheating in it, you said without cheating or spoofing on lower account so idk if you did cheating or spoofing in your main account? I want to clarify that (regardless of you cheat or spoof or do anything wrong with another account) you aren’t allowed to have a 2nd account (seems crazy and I know that to), maybe they caught you on that and banned you on that immediately (seems only way of working because it is crazy if they permanently ban you immediately for only cheating seems not right in my opinion) (I’m gonna be honest, I have a 2nd account myself and traded mostly with it to just to get good iv Pokemon myself so I don’t see it as a big of a deal myself)

[@nymphiachan5822]

@@louwe05 I never have any spoof or cheat file in any of my devices. And when I log out and log in they just ban me. I mention about them is because I mean I play legit and got ban for some reason.

[@nymphiachan5822]

@@louwe05 Also, after that happen, I created 2 more lower accounts, and I log out to add friend with main account, *My main account don’t have cheat or spoofer. I don’t even know how to get them, and even I know. I will feel bored because it like you can go anywhere to find regions exclusive. It not challenging, (Although I can’t go to these regions in real life 😅) and after I log in back. Both of my lower account got permanent terminated again. And I tried created 4th lower account, and I didn’t add friend with my main account yet. And when I log in to my main account and send request through my main account, and accept it in lower account. I didn’t get ban this time. I can log in and log out and it not get banned. I really don’t understand what the reason of *Massarce Ban* to all my accounts…

[@louwe05]

@@nymphiachan5822 yea it is strange, I’m really confused why you not allowed to have multiple accounts in first place and we can both agree that niantic can sometimes be a sh*tty company right? I mean giving bans and don’t telling the reason is ridiculous! (Only way to let players leave the game for lifetime and they will never return nor create new accounts)

[@kmichalene]

Niantic can not wholesale hold themselves “harmless.” They cannot prohibit anyone from suing them.

[@rutkut]

And only because some people cant just play the game like it should.

[@Tsi2quick]

No, it's because Niantic wants EVERY PENNY from you that they can and don't give a crap about their players. They can't get that if you spoof and they can't take your location data to sell to third party vendors.

[@tentinquarantino3005]

If they want people to not be inactive maybe they should start making the game exciting again. There are still so many pokemon that havent been released yet...

[@DONNA8285]

If I have the pokie genie or GoRaid app on my phone can I be banned? If I use a catcher other than the poke++ is that against the TOS?

[@bowenCactus]

Not necessarily you should be fine with pokegenie since they said they're not liable if you account or your personal data gets stolen by those apps and devices

[@socalcharles9535]

Not sure Apple will allow Niantic to go threw your phone.

[@oneonone8855]

That's iOS thing.

[@JoseJimenez-mz9op]

the problem i have with the shared password thing is that i have my account on two different devices my phone and tablet if my phone is on low battery i use my tablet hopefully this wont get me in trouble

[@ArJeSsTeR]

All my accounts could get banned soon without notice

[@MohamedAhmed-sz3ck]

This new terms off service is very scary æ😰

[@mongchang8532]

Durring a comunity day. My friend was using his wife account to collect pokemon. He swapped accounts and started to collect his. Once event was over. Niantic deleted all the pikemon from the event on both accounts. Is that right? Hellz, no. They spent resource. They did not get back. Special rend candy and stardust. Lucky egg, star piece. Most MMORPG players do this. To farm more resource. What makes Niantic any different from any other online game? Not a Dame thing.

[@sammichel4929]

Bottom line if they ban you you save money 💰 no spending on coins etc so is a positive thing so far

[@nyxxose]

You must not use the services to threaten or harass is basically saying don’t start street fights over gyms and don’t mug people by using lure modules as bait.

[@louwe05]

It seems obvious right? Why stating it the first place?? If you start a street fight just because of a gym (regardless niantic stating is their terms that you can’t), police will just arrest you and the other to and it will get follow up (both things come to the same conclusion)

[@JustGmakesitEZ]

Gonna say the class action lawsuit is to protect against a data breach. (Or more nefarious reasons.)

[@nickfeness]

I stopped playing in 2016 and picked the game back up in 2021. Inactivity shouldnt be a bannable offense

[@oneonone8855]

Don't look at it as a ban, it's a way for them to clear old accounts that are inactive to remove space of the server.

[@nickfeness]

@@oneonone8855 my example isn't enough to make you understand? I came back after over 5 years, I'd hate my account to be deleted if I took another break.

[@savagegamer8846]

lifting and zombies spoof he's not banned

[@philpri1277]

Right agreed

[@Navo925]

He’s got like million accounts by now. If anything, if this is serious, he should be banned for life.

[@philpri1277]

@@Navo925 and the crazy part is Niantic is not one to him about having all those accounts and he's spoofing on a daily basis on KZbin to make it more serious but he's getting away with it is he sponsored by Niantic and a spoofer and I never heard of a sponsored spoofer before that's the reason why he's not getting in trouble for it if I'm just thinking about it

[@maranatha9924]

I unsubscribed and blocked his channel after I learned he was a spoofer. His youtube content was good, but I am not going to support that garbage. Like you're a streamer man, go outside and play the game as intended. Spoofers are the worst.

[@Unavailable_Username.]

I see Niantic moved their offices to Berlin

[@courtneytate-cv1km]

i like your shiny luck black hoodie

[@MrGhost-st7rh]

Next up Niantic has the right to install cameras at your house and have detectives spy on you to see if you are playing their game properly.

[@hubertvimalan1969]

Yeah the terms is like don't keep the app running in the background when you get a call or whatnot And when you reach out they are like violated terms and policies,like wth heck dude. When i reached out to them they later said these emails will ignore as they violated rules Any ways they started the ban for 30days not even 7

[@Soyboythoughts]

I just consider my pokemon go abandoned, I will not sign those new TOS

[@Rickyramos87]

What we need to do is find out who’s running the show at Niantic and find out where they live.. then go have a small talk with them 😉

[@nickchaa1676]

Do y'all think walkers are against the rules with the new tos?

[@jonathanvail9643]

Thanks again Billy for this.

[@SamXLVII]

9:44 if the wording in the TOS is actually SUSPECTED instead of something akin to FOUND then that can go wrong real quick. Cos that effectively means they don't have to do the work of proving their suspicion before they terminate ones account. Oy🙄

[@derJadder]

My friends use PokeRaid to host Raids that they cant do solo… Is it also against the rules?!?

[@cherryb0ng]

Honestly this is such a level of pettiness that the playerbass should just have entire teras of NSFW on their phone so they have to take hours just to search foralware or fake Pokémon Go software

[@Amlaxbro]

Is having an alt account bannable?

[@jonnybe24]

Imagine being one of the most well known pokemon go youtubers and being 2 weeks late to the TOS complaints party.

[@Laura52771]

Thank you for the info

[@souldivine555]

They terminated my friends account for being inactive for months

[@TheTrainerClub]

How many?

[@souldivine555]

@@TheTrainerClubI think he had Been inactive for a year.

[@IzzRei]

You can get banned for initiating dialogue with rocket grunts +160 times in an hour

[@rajhonfreitas]

They just banned (temporary hold) my play for nothing😰

[@ecastaneda51]

There tos have been the same for a while now, only difference is that you cant sue. Also everyone complaining about them spying on your phone is crazy. Your phone can always be spied on, whether its niantic or the government or some other app such as google. Hello its 2024 theres no such thing as privacy on your phone.

[@Vinko7469]

Someone with some money needs to sue tf out of them for these new TOS.

[@anhvuong1301]

1st, your videos are very informative. Here’s my question: if they are so hard on cheating, how come I still see certain Utubers on Pogo, that are as far as I can see, are spoofing? I mean they doing live , doing raids while they’re in their studio, ie “Lifting..zombies”? Please respond.

[@seancox8989]

Remote raids. You can do them across the world from your studio apartment. That's how most of the KZbinrs do it. They have the money to buy the remote raid passes.

[@tylerkehrmann]

@@seancox8989what anhvuong1301 is saying is that liftingandzombies is literally broadcasting himself cheat and nothing is being done around it. He literally spoofs and uses a joystick to move from his house.

[@curtisbarton7721]

@@seancox8989you don’t watch that youtuber that was said previously where they legit spoof to locations to doing events prior to when they start in other areas etc

[@justinfitzgerald5885]

A lot of spoofers use secondary accounts and trade to their main account. It doesn't take long to get to level 40 anymore. Secondary account gets banned, just create another. Not sure if that's what Lifting does.

[@curtisbarton7721]

@@justinfitzgerald5885 as the video said they are going with the tracking of activity which will include trades, it’s digital footprint and pretty simple