Your Coach is Lying to You! Where Does Your Power Come From

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Sacred Boxing

Sacred Boxing

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@Dudesofdestruction
@Dudesofdestruction 2 жыл бұрын
Long ago Ramsey Dewey exactly tell me that for à better front hook, to pull back my other side.
@ummthatguy
@ummthatguy 2 жыл бұрын
my boxing coach used to tell us all the time to " pull your punch back not push your punch forward, it's faster, stronger, and you have better balance even if you miss."
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
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@Maccanarchy
@Maccanarchy 2 жыл бұрын
Mine too he says "punching is about pulling not pushing"
@ericsmithjr8863
@ericsmithjr8863 2 жыл бұрын
Just completely changed my next sparring session with that advice
@88kalu
@88kalu 2 жыл бұрын
@RamseyDewey has said this as well. Power comes from pulling, not pushing.
@ummthatguy
@ummthatguy 2 жыл бұрын
@@88kalu really? That's cool the few videos of him I watched were always pretty good
@reidtaylor5019
@reidtaylor5019 2 жыл бұрын
There are 4 ways in which power is generated - muscular strength in your arms, shoulders, back - rotational (hips, shoulders) as scene in this video - weight shift (step or shifting your weight between your legs to produce force) - elastic tension (the stretch to wip motion on the peck when you hand trails behind your shoulder) this was a favorite of Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey (he called it the Shoulder Whirl)
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Louis& Dempsey reference!
@KelpWolf
@KelpWolf 2 жыл бұрын
I'm genuinely curious why the "weight shift" is considered a source of power. I think I'm probably not understanding what you mean by "weight shift." I am not a serious boxer by any stretch of the imagination. Is this referred to by some famous boxers/trainers? From a body mechanics (physics) perspective weight shift seems similar to the "hips lie" that this video discusses. Momentum from a step, or power from legs driving the hips and upper body are really the only ways to generate power from your lower half. The weight shift can only provide the base for either, but in itself has basically zero power to impart. Really fast weight shifts and steps can pre-load tension, but the power to do those quick movements is coming from the legs, with some help from hips and torso. I'm probably getting caught up in semantics. So I'll shut up now. Thanks in advance if someone has anything useful to clue me in.
@WarEnjoyer-gm5yh
@WarEnjoyer-gm5yh 2 жыл бұрын
@@KelpWolf Generally a weight shift is when you have weight focused on 1 foot, then you step or shuffle and put that weight on the other foot then strike. Here are some vids that might give you at least some idea of what it entails. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKbMeGlqd5uthas kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrNdWNvlLRrm80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKizm4xvfsyIp7c It can be transferring power from a stance switch (the power comes from the stance switch into a punch(, or changing positioning and keeping the weight on one foot (this still means the power comes from the legs)
@ziggedr4y
@ziggedr4y 2 жыл бұрын
@@KelpWolf The weight shift simply generates motion of your mass so that you can use it to create a collision with your target. It's just momentum from a step as you word it.
@cheeks7050
@cheeks7050 2 жыл бұрын
5. Stepping or leaping forward.
@BMO_Creative
@BMO_Creative 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsay Dewey teaches this same thing! With bands as well... Great video!
@Luca-tw9fk
@Luca-tw9fk 2 жыл бұрын
Maximal power = transferring as much force/time as possible from the ground into the target as efficiently as possible
@suryadihardjagilbert2199
@suryadihardjagilbert2199 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. If the pivoting of the foot and the rotation of the hip is truly the "key" for power, then Joe Louis would have the weakest cross in the history of boxing, because when he threw the cross, his rear leg is off the ground. The stretch on the pec and the pulling of the lats is what really drive the "snap" in a good punch
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
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@angelaboucher5895
@angelaboucher5895 29 күн бұрын
My coach always reminds us to pull our opposite sholder back, load our leg, and pivote with the hip and heel. I forget to pull my opposite shouler back and get that reminder when punching weak.
@maddinkn
@maddinkn 2 жыл бұрын
So basically you do what Karate Katas teach. Got it! Thank you very much for making this video! And yes I just wanted to "trigger" some people like Mr. Hard2hurt.
@zachariaravenheart
@zachariaravenheart 2 жыл бұрын
This is just like punching taught in (good) Karate schools. At least from what I know of Karate. It always fascinates me how different martial arts and artists come to the same conclusion from different paths. Great video man!
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@charlieparker7159
@charlieparker7159 Жыл бұрын
If it works it works
@ash2dvst
@ash2dvst 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge. Two bad dudes who could do big damage coming together and exploring their findings as philosophers, then sharing with us. Its a beautiful thing 🙏
@shootits48
@shootits48 2 жыл бұрын
Pivoting actually keeps your knee from exploding when you throw a kick so it's super important. As for power on a kick, i feel like it comes from multiple sources. From the ground, you need flexibility to not hinder your force, IT band strength, quads, many things.
@w4rf4c39
@w4rf4c39 2 жыл бұрын
Same applies to boxing. You can still throw a hook with “proper” mechanics without pivoting the foot but you’ll end up putting a dangerous level of force into your knees
@darrylkemp3253
@darrylkemp3253 2 жыл бұрын
My coach used to make us pull on a resistance band on the other side rather than punch with it to improve/develop punch power for this exact reason and it really worked.
@KelpWolf
@KelpWolf 2 жыл бұрын
Power can propagate through your body into your punch when your hips are in the right place, but the hips aren't generating much power. Back/shoulders, oblique abdominal muscles, legs. The muscles that are engaged when you're at full extension and resisting are involved with your stance. If your stance is solid on impact, your body won't have as much give, and your target will receive more power. I threw discus and javelin in high-school. The explosive power of throwing sports is most similar to a hook or roundhouse kick. I get the most power on a hook when I start with a leg-driven hip jerk and follow up with driving my opposite shoulder back while I engage my torso to bring my hook into the target. My punching arm stays in line with my shoulder the whole way through. Thanks! This was a cool body mechanics lesson. I have to say that people with really developed twisting muscles can get a lot of power from the hips and torso, but I don't disagree with anything you said about where you generate power.
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 2 жыл бұрын
Nay. Weight transfer throwing the weight to the front leg when throwing the right hand. An the back leg with the lead left hook.
@KelpWolf
@KelpWolf 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtanczyk4009 transferring your weight is necessary to have your base in the right place to generate power, but you're not generating power by transferring weight.
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 2 жыл бұрын
@@KelpWolf you have no clue what you’re talking about.
@KelpWolf
@KelpWolf 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtanczyk4009 lol, I'm talking about body mechanics, and you're slinging insults. If I had 5 minutes in a gym with you I could explain in person and lead you through the movements. Words are poorly equipped to describe complex athletic movements. Have a good day/night wherever you are.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
@goshawk Awesome, thanks! Yep 💯 agree with the external obliques on the non punching side
@Hustler_state
@Hustler_state 2 жыл бұрын
I've always liked power coming from your back, and your core. It starts with legs, but back and core, and then shoulder bis and tris. And if your well developed in all these spots and your throwing with technique, your gonna have alot of power. Then there is power from just big frames and mass. There's more to power than just it comes from here. If you have lunch box hands, and are 6ft 5 and weigh 250lbs and are in fair shape and know how to throw a punch, that punch will be powerful.. there's alot behind power.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Right on 🎯
@olliefoxx7165
@olliefoxx7165 2 жыл бұрын
Well said
@ElDrHouse2010
@ElDrHouse2010 2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna wildy guess because this is something that Ramsey Dawey said. The most important muscles for a Boxer are the legs. All the movement including the punches require footowork, also footwork the proper use of that work is how are your feet positioned during each strike, it does not really mean movement lol. It's the legs right? I get my legs tired the most when training striking in general.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
The entire kinetic chain
@Mr440c
@Mr440c 2 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much why in traditional martial arts there are forms, stances and basic drills (kihon in karate) that are meant to condition student's bodies for proper movements so you don't have to be too verbose while explaining them. Just do this and that for like 2 years and then we'll talk.
@BerlinKlub-SAV187
@BerlinKlub-SAV187 Жыл бұрын
Like seeing coaches around other coaches
@Loooppp
@Loooppp 2 жыл бұрын
Your proper weigh in move is a lot of power, the move of your opponent too. So, technique of punch is just a part of power, totally depend on the way fighters are moving at the moment.
@charlieprince8671
@charlieprince8671 Жыл бұрын
That's why karate emphasizes retracting so hard when drilling the reverse punch.
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 2 жыл бұрын
Weight transfer by throwing the weight forward to the front leg for the cross. Transfer the weight to the back leg when throwing the left hook. Definitely tilting your upper body side to side when throwing punches. However power mainly comes from weight transfer. Watch how much weight Teofilo Stevenson puts weight on the front leg when he is throwing his right cross. He’s also standing straight on his front leg. Also look at how Salvador Sanchez transfers his body weight from leg to leg when throwing punch combinations.
@philjohnston7920
@philjohnston7920 2 жыл бұрын
this is why Basics matter. A lesson for ICY Mike. Knowledge is power! When you say lie. you actually mean you do not have the Knowledge to teach the correct technique.
@pavel145bg7
@pavel145bg7 Жыл бұрын
her from fightTIPS LOVE IT
@lionelinx7
@lionelinx7 2 жыл бұрын
Learned this in taekwondo doing punches in horse stance. One of the first things I learned as a kid, its the twisting and countermotions, along with balance, acceleration, and posture
@stephenellis6601
@stephenellis6601 2 жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting take. Reading some of the old time boxing books from the likes of Jack Dempsey, etc, also believed this. He referred to it as the shoulder whirl. Manny Pacquiao whom is known for his power, really is a great illustration of this concept of power. Giving me something to think about. Thank you. Also, damn if I didn't just use that straight leg vs bent knee on the cross for my students last Thursday!
@AleksiBennettGuitar
@AleksiBennettGuitar 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey Dewey has a video on this. He uses a resistance band on the non-punching hand to train the pulling back as you punch. Think he suggested it as a better alternative to punching with a weight in your hand.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I have done that as well. It’s a great alternative.
@daithi1966
@daithi1966 Жыл бұрын
I watched this because I thought it was an Icy Mike video, but now I'm going to have to watch a bunch of the Sacred Boxing videos. Really good content.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro ‼️ More to come
@phuongvu527
@phuongvu527 4 ай бұрын
As a guy from another boxing channel once said :"Punching is actually pulling, not pushing". Same principle
@Chiburi
@Chiburi 2 жыл бұрын
If you change the position of the legs in the kettlebell exercise, so that the other foot was planted on the floor, you would be able to complete the rotational movement and engage the back even more. Look at the very first movement of the Turkish Getup. Done correctly, it is a rotation of the upper back, supported by a push-pull from the rear shoulder and the support leg, diagonally through the body. There is also a certain way to insert the hand into the grip which leads to a straight and strong wrist like when punching, you could look into that as well. It will line up the joints and create structural support as opposed to muscular support.
@AvioftheSand
@AvioftheSand 2 жыл бұрын
That kettlebell demo is helping me to realize how important the Turkish get up is
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
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@ThatFreeWilliam
@ThatFreeWilliam 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the problem with coaching is that students want easy answers, and they teach you to give them easy answers that kind of work over the more complicated and nuanced reality. There's a lot of things going on at once, and that's after basically removing all the terrain. It's like teaching someone to catch a ball. Your body does most of the work without you getting involved, it's not like you're doing the math. I switched from "proper" training to just ignoring everything that came out of a human brain and using what everything else uses and it's working a TON better, my back and knee pain is gone, and I'm way more resilient, but it's such a purely mental effort (mostly just overriding social mimicry, peer pressure, and the idea that overriding the body isn't terribly irresponsible) that I have no idea how you'd even START coaching something like that conventionally, because it's basically "Ignore everyone, including me and yourself, just charge into weird terrain until the old system starts taking back over" and that's a sentence, not a program. Anyway, no idea where that goes, just feels like maybe we lost track off some things in the process of becoming a civilization. I don't think people in the past hurt themselves so often falling from standing up and I don't know what it all means, just that something's off.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
I follow you on that 💯💯
@ThatFreeWilliam
@ThatFreeWilliam 2 жыл бұрын
@@sacredboxing I'm an old guy (51) and do a ton of mentoring and training for work, and a parkour gym I was going to asked me to put together a training plan and do some classes because I had some moves...but I could not make it work at ALL in the context of a gym training thing. The best I can come up with is getting together around the safest trees we can climb, smoking weed, and dancing badly to dubstep remixes while encouraging childlike enthusiastic derping to train proprioception...not an option in most States, right? I don't think people appreciate how hard teaching/mentoring movement is. I'm really good at some things and those are the things I understand the least, much less how to teach them.
@stevenlsenior
@stevenlsenior 2 жыл бұрын
Hit ‘like’ straight on the look to camera after “you lie to your kids, right?”. Perfect. Looking forward to the karate hiki te comments.
@MisterJayEm
@MisterJayEm 2 жыл бұрын
I sure wish all this excellent (free!) content 20 years ago!!
@AxaFin
@AxaFin 2 жыл бұрын
I got weak ass arms so I discovered this real quick
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
😆
@amospizzey1
@amospizzey1 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating insight Lot of similarities to the TMA Hiki Te ( pulling hand ) concept
@leftlegtrumpcard8152
@leftlegtrumpcard8152 2 жыл бұрын
Had a coach tell me that you don't push to punch, you pull to punch.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
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@donjohnson5570
@donjohnson5570 2 жыл бұрын
Oooh, that's why Mr. Miyagi gave that spinning hand drum to karate kid, that time he returned home for a festival, reunited with his first love, got caught in a hurricane, & his student had a karate duel
@jamesmanning8795
@jamesmanning8795 2 жыл бұрын
I'm here because of Icy Mike. Great video man!
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking me out!
@nikolairodriguez9088
@nikolairodriguez9088 Жыл бұрын
This is actually how I threw a baseball I took the form from pitchers while making it a shorter motion. The idea was whipping my glove hand down with an acutely bent elbow and snapping the glove hand down like a whip while having the throwing hand start the whipping motion forward using the momentum of the other arm to add more velocity to it. To make it even better snap down at the was as you whip the throwing hand and you will add in a whole extra whipping motion with the throwing hand making it actually have a much higher velocity it is harder to control though has worked at getting the close plays to go in my favor though and definitely helpful but needs practice before being used in a game. All that to say I can say with my own experience that throwing the other side of the body back with the punch to rotate faster will definitely add more pop to a punch.
@yikelu
@yikelu Жыл бұрын
If you look at/ask throwers (shot, jav), the lead side is very important. The front leg actively pushing back (we call it blocking) drives the rotation just as much as the back leg pushing forward. You also pull the lead arm back the same way that you describe here, although the degree to which it's done in throwing is obviously not going to be as applicable in fighting because it leaves a bigger opening.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing Жыл бұрын
Right
@justacontrarian
@justacontrarian 2 жыл бұрын
Another good back exercise to do when you don't have a pull-up bar, nor a row machine comes from the GOAT Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. He said that when he was traveling and staying in hotels, he'd wedge a towel under the bathroom door and place another on top of the door for grip, then do pull-ups.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
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@jagoomanra4443
@jagoomanra4443 2 жыл бұрын
That's the action that need to happen but not we're the power is coming from
@certified_boogeyman
@certified_boogeyman 2 жыл бұрын
I recently started throwing my cross similarly (I also shift my weight to my front leg) but I feel like that fully committed punch leaves me very vulnerable. Even though I get more power and reach out of it. The hand that I would usually have guarding the left side of my head and body is now behind me.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t open up. Keep the elbow in front of the body and fist at cheek level. And if you throw the punch at 50 speed bring it back 100 speed.
@certified_boogeyman
@certified_boogeyman 2 жыл бұрын
@@sacredboxing imma work on that I've noticed I leave my punches out there for too long especially after a miss I'll go slower and conscientiously make an effort to pull back at double the speed
@Simon2k17
@Simon2k17 2 жыл бұрын
Bruce Lee was super obsessed with his back. The way of the dragon, when he fought Chuck Norris, he leaned forward and did that upper back flex scene. It look like wings were coming out. He was so obsessed with his back that it lead to a major injury while working out with good mornings.
@TheZombiefist
@TheZombiefist 5 ай бұрын
a lot of great concepts I never even thought about in this video,. thx you.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@shinomori69
@shinomori69 Жыл бұрын
Had my soldiers doing that kettlebell shoulder raise today. Definitely a quality workout.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing Жыл бұрын
🙏🏾🙏🏾
@iagbedejobi
@iagbedejobi 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice !!
@davidfields5627
@davidfields5627 Жыл бұрын
I have struggled with this notion a long time now. The truth is the force you put into the ground will dictate how quick that rotation is. So both are true. I think of my body as a grenade. My core is the explosive and my arms and legs are the shrapnel. The more force in the explosion, the more powerful the shrapnel.
@ComicalHealing
@ComicalHealing 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey Dewey suggested pulling exercises to strengthen punches rather than pushing exercises. Pulling back a resistance band and rotating the left shoulder back with strengthen the cross and vice versa.
@tomnaughadie
@tomnaughadie 2 жыл бұрын
Great content. Thank you both very much. Especially interesting to me because a Tai Chi teacher taught me this years ago.
@TheNadohs
@TheNadohs 2 жыл бұрын
I think the big difference with pulling the opposite shoulder to recruit the back muscles, isn't so much a huge raw power difference, though there is some more power certainly. Rather it improves the quality of the connection on the strike and allows you to absorb the recoil better. Thus it stabs and penetrants the target more making the transfer of energy more efficient and thus a more devistrating collision. Less of a slapping blow.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Right 💯
@JukemDrawles87
@JukemDrawles87 2 жыл бұрын
This is pure gold. Thank you so much
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🏾🙏🏾 glad you got some value from it
@NLT1734
@NLT1734 Ай бұрын
another thing that generates that extra half inch of snap is turning your wrist to be straight right as your punch reaches its apex lots of people do it unintentionally, cause when you're in a guard and punch, your hand naturally rotates to have your knuckles be horizontal to whatever your target is it's why wing chun punches and by proxy, the 1 inch punch can generate force in a short distance, because you punch while your fist is vertical, it's in the center of the snapping point between your guard and the apex of the punch
@GearlessJoe0
@GearlessJoe0 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t be giving this info away man!
@ahmedalhamadi1231
@ahmedalhamadi1231 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks coach sacred boxing. More videos please like a footwork videos, and Angles. Anything you see would be beneficial to learn☺️
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
I got some in the chamber 🔑🔑
@2rustysporks
@2rustysporks 2 жыл бұрын
That was fascinating. TY for this.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you got some value from this!
@angelaboucher5895
@angelaboucher5895 2 жыл бұрын
My coach teaches me to pull my left shoulder back, load me legs, turn my hips when throwing the cross. I need the most reminders on the shoulder. Pretty new to the sport, less than a year in and love every class.
@Jaburu
@Jaburu 2 жыл бұрын
it's obviously the whole chain of the movement that makes the power. it adds up. you can break up the chain into parts and isolate them and in all of them the fist will move. while most part of the chain kind of comes naturaly, the rotation doesn't. so it makes sense to teach people "it comes from the hips"
@nathanjohnson7419
@nathanjohnson7419 2 жыл бұрын
Big movements of your legs and hips just unconsolidate your force, to consolidate force you want to keep legs and hips sturdy and generate the bigger rotation in your shoulders
@nathanjohnson7419
@nathanjohnson7419 2 жыл бұрын
The proper footwork will manifest if u focus on solidifying and making sturdy so your shoulder rotation doesn't throw u off balance
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@froggyluv
@froggyluv Жыл бұрын
All of that is part of the kinetic chain which creates power -its not just one area
@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 2 жыл бұрын
Omg. There's so much I wana say. You guys are on the right track, but I believe a better exercise for training that twist is with resistance bands or cable weights. And it's more about the abs than the back. Think of it like a butterfly screw, it's the same motion. I actually got the idea from one of Ramsey deweys videos like a yr or 2 ago. And I think it was kind of a throw away part of the video that is more important than even he might have thought. I used to do "punching" exercises with cable weights, but then bcuz of ramseys video, now, I hold the cable with one hand, and throw the strike with the other hand, but not rechambering the hand holding the cable. Its working the abs used for twisting. And I'll do 4 sets working the straight punch and the jab from both orthodox and southpaw. And it had definitely improved my punches. I wish I could show you guys. But maybe I'll bring it up in my own video.
@pascal0868
@pascal0868 Жыл бұрын
Icy Mike made me subscribe he’s hard to hurt so I listen to him.
@harrisric128
@harrisric128 Жыл бұрын
I start getting my more advanced fighters to start thinking about the opposite side of the body. Great stuff here
@Cmaxb9
@Cmaxb9 2 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown of mechanics/cues here. It can be tough to make that mind/muscle connection, especially when people have bad habits. I love that ground exercise for punching, its like the start of a "Turkish Getup" but focused on the rotation and shoulder blade being involved rather than the arm. Great stuff guys!
@kurylko8493
@kurylko8493 2 жыл бұрын
Agree your shoulder width takes account for a lot of power becaouse it acts as a lever, but a real place where power comes from is just a weight transfer the more weight shift the more rotation also. As a small detail like you said moving your head to the side it simply also adding more weight transfer
@michaeltrimble7680
@michaeltrimble7680 2 жыл бұрын
Made a subscriber out of me! I love this collaboration!
@jkrisanda2011
@jkrisanda2011 2 жыл бұрын
Good conversation and good way to train it.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
💯💯
@TheQue5tion
@TheQue5tion Жыл бұрын
Might be worth looking into Silat drills for rotation training. The art has a big focus (well the version I studied) on punching from a ground or seated position. The only way to generate power when you can not use your hips is to rotate from the waist. Really helps to wake up those muscles, and adds a lot more power when you can properly connect that rotation to everything else.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing Жыл бұрын
I’ll have to look into Silat drills. I like the seated punch idea. I study functional patterns for about 5 years and really understood better the importance of rotational force better
@TheQue5tion
@TheQue5tion Жыл бұрын
@@sacredboxing yeah trying to generate power for a punch as well as parry one when sat cross legged on the floor with someone really forces awareness of rotation and what your back actually has to do. Also really plays well into the circular footwork and movements of the art but can be adapted by high level boxers.
@stevenshar1233
@stevenshar1233 Жыл бұрын
I think power is a skill that anyone and everyone can develop. You won't be Mike Tyson but you can still have punching power that would gain anyone's respect.
@rollinOnCode
@rollinOnCode 2 жыл бұрын
The turkish getup is such a fundamental movement pattern that encompasses like a dozen movement groups together
@Gubsygaming
@Gubsygaming Жыл бұрын
Interestingly this is how i was taught to punch for kyokushin, engage the back muscles as you pull one arm back in and extend the other out
@rickymitchum3208
@rickymitchum3208 2 жыл бұрын
That bag Mike keeps kicking I've never seen one what's it called I want one. Does it fall over easy. What do u use it for.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen it but not sure the name of it
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t fall over easy
@poot111111
@poot111111 2 жыл бұрын
Take my sub ! I noticed this technique from the one and only Iron Mike Tyson trying to figure out where his power came from. Been a long time sub of Icy Mike's
@nekonicodemus6107
@nekonicodemus6107 2 жыл бұрын
From a book by Loren Christensen said use your opposite side waist to pull your torso around and slightly downward.
@malkomalkavian
@malkomalkavian 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey Dewey has a good video on this :)
@whaleship
@whaleship 2 жыл бұрын
i've seen stuff on youtube from kung fu folks with a very similar concept regarding the opposite side (arm shoulder back) pulling as a counterweight to really drive the punching side into the target. (heck! looking back i think it might've been a sensei seth video) its so interesting to see similarities in understanding body mechanics and functions develop from different styles and fighting arts around the world. love the lessons and videos! i've been learning so much!
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
💯💯
@Gzussss
@Gzussss 2 жыл бұрын
From a physics point of view, you need the friction on with the floor. You showed it with the kettle exercise, where you put the floor directly on your back to isolate the upper body muscles. When the whole body works together, any force that is going through the target will also push you back and you will need to stop yourself using your feet and your balance. Where does the power comme from? From all the muscles involved in the chain that they make from the ground to the point of impact. *Percentage may vary
@KelpWolf
@KelpWolf 2 жыл бұрын
don't forget kinetic energy--pure speed without being grounded can also generate power, just not as much...
@Gzussss
@Gzussss 2 жыл бұрын
@@KelpWolf So you mean, remove the friction? then we have an elastic collision like we learned from the books.
@Gzussss
@Gzussss 2 жыл бұрын
@@KelpWolf So yea, like you said, some power, not as much
@louissancio8904
@louissancio8904 Жыл бұрын
Jack Dempsey called this the "Shoulder Whirl".
@dirtpoorchris
@dirtpoorchris 2 жыл бұрын
Hrm maybe thats why my punches are thunderous. If alot of power comes from the lats and I do 1 handed pushups. And i punched heavy wood board with eggs in each hand until i learned perfect wrist alignment and can then slam fists into heavy bags with no wraps.
@malkomalkavian
@malkomalkavian 2 жыл бұрын
That egg thing is proper kung-fu movie stuff :)
@TomMeehanMake
@TomMeehanMake 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Does help explain why so many boxers have such developed upper back musculature.
@team-a4795
@team-a4795 2 жыл бұрын
I really love how you explain things, its clear and the explanations are thorough
@marklawrence855
@marklawrence855 2 жыл бұрын
I always try to practice for speed and power, I try to relax before I punch 👊 and just when I hit the target contract the punch 👊 then relax again ,for me it works and I can get lots of power like that and speed👊🙏
@jac2890
@jac2890 2 жыл бұрын
That looks like hikite from Karate, I think in a way the idea of contracting those muscles with an opposite motion is the same(? Just without the rotation of the body
@babywithanoldsoul
@babywithanoldsoul 2 жыл бұрын
I learned this before from some king fu video but completelyyyy forgot and was back focusing on only my hips and feet. This is so important to be conscious of. Preciate you SB! 🥊 🔥
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🏾🙏🏾
@gw1357
@gw1357 2 жыл бұрын
So...I agree that the back adds power, but I think its wrong to characterize it as the source of power. Ultimately, what Mike first said was right. All power does come out of the ground, because -- by the most basic principles of physics -- you generate power by pushing against something. If you did the shoulder rotation while floating in a weightless vacuum, then you'd just spin in place. Its the firm footing pushing against the ground that allows the body -- through the "kinetic chain" -- to transform the rotational energy of the shoulders, the hips, and even the hand (turning over the knuckles) into the linear force of the strike. So, yes, the shoulder rotation adds power, but only because the earlier stages of the chain (foot, hips, etc.) are also good...thus creating an efficient kinetic chain. Its actually most accurate to say that "striking power comes from body coordination" and not from any one joint. But (like Mike sort of said) we explain it in pieces ("power comes from the feet/hips/back/shoulder" because that's how humans usually learn things (like you said "too much information" at once) -- we build/fix parts and then assemble them into a working whole. The reason we say "you can't teach power, power is born" is because body coordination and efficiency of movement is something that some people just have a natural instinct for. The exercise you did with the kettle bell on your back can lead to the false idea that the feet don't matter. In that exercise you don't have footing, but your shoulder is in a position to push directing against the ground. That's an artificial position -- its good for isolating/strengthening the muscles as an exercise, but it doesn't reflect the human body's natural mechanics for striking because the human body is not designed to efficiently project force off its back. www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a3093/the-science-of-bruce-lees-one-inch-punch-16814527/ www.neurotour.com/blog/how-to-generate-torque-in-boxing
@johannes_kreisler
@johannes_kreisler 2 жыл бұрын
When I am doing the kettlebell exercise, I feel my obliques, not my lats. Am I doing something wrong?
@mattatomattahto
@mattatomattahto 2 жыл бұрын
"Never been to prison?" His head snapped up and then he remembered "oh yeah it's mike he didn't mean it like that" lol
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
😂 😂
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@deesmokinseagull9537
@deesmokinseagull9537 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely love this video, simply explaining the truth with demonstration and logic, and a bit of fun, you 2 are such great characters or persons, from Italy i really thank you, i just watch your videos and learn something new and also i can refresh my mind rewatching also the basics! Great job Guys! And from nothing i would like to give compliments for the logo, cause it's well made! Keep going!🥊♥️
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the love 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@myname-mz3lo
@myname-mz3lo 2 жыл бұрын
its not lying its simplifying until they can understand the advanced concept
@CoASoFi
@CoASoFi 2 жыл бұрын
I like that kettlebell exercise. I usually have people do a band pull while slowly extending the opposite punch to teach that but I’m definitely stealing yours.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥 I like the band and/or cable pulls too! Allows the person to feel the reciprocated movement.
@MarkoObradovich
@MarkoObradovich 2 жыл бұрын
I think that both of you told two pieces of the whole truth. Because I also teach martial arts and I say you use your whole body. So neither of you was lying, it's just the fragments of the truth depending on the level of athletes. 😁
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
💯 agree. Just emphasizing the unseen and not talked about.
@mellonhead9568
@mellonhead9568 2 жыл бұрын
true man after shadowboxing or whatever if overdone u feel that soreness in the upper back muscles and lats.......same thing with kicking with the driver being the glutes thats why with a sidekick (like a jab) you face the target glutes in the direction of the target to utilize it 100%
@hellbow1851
@hellbow1851 Жыл бұрын
I am from Germany and my coach always says power comes from the rotation 😂
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing Жыл бұрын
💯💯‼️
@efarjeonfgc
@efarjeonfgc Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on how you found the kicking experience personally from when you did the collab with all those martial artist youtubers? Maybe some advice for pure boxers fighting kickboxers?
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing Жыл бұрын
Good idea 💡
@vagabondwastrel2361
@vagabondwastrel2361 2 жыл бұрын
I could see a easy traiing tool for this concept is a straight jacket with a stick attached to it.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
I got the visual!
@joshuaworthington847
@joshuaworthington847 2 жыл бұрын
Love the channel and the great content, my man! Also, it’s been great seeing the collaborations.
@rockyrasakith
@rockyrasakith 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for dropping some knowledge. I’m gonna start practicing the mind muscle connection for the opposite side of the back
@MrRabiddogg
@MrRabiddogg 2 жыл бұрын
It's somewhat like how a trebuchet works; the counter weight drops, giving the swinging arm power etc. at least in part. Of course, if you use all your parts in perfect synchronization, that is when the ultimate in power will come through. pivot the hips, press on the back foot, push back with the opposite shoulder etc.
@emissaryofelohim1431
@emissaryofelohim1431 Жыл бұрын
Sympathetic Compensation can cause one to favor a movement that is uncoordinated. Training wrong concepts can be lasting detriments. Fight having a weak side. Equalize.
@bushybrowsboxing
@bushybrowsboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Is the kettlebell exercise strictly a pre workout warm up excercise or is there a good rep range to Incorporate into regular training?
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
I do it inside of a circuit on conditioning days.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Typically 10reps for a set of 3 slow and controlled to get that time under tension.
@bushybrowsboxing
@bushybrowsboxing 2 жыл бұрын
@@sacredboxing thank you! Love the insta page BTW lol
@smeegle3000
@smeegle3000 Жыл бұрын
It comes from everything turning together. You don't push on a correct punch you whip and stop but it starts from the floor up.
@sacredboxing
@sacredboxing Жыл бұрын
Pivoting your foot is optional, but rotating your torso isn’t
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