Your Tamer SUCKS - 3 BEST GUNS & GUN BUILDS TO USE INSTEAD in The First Descendant

[@niccoSun]

People like the Tamer because it helps a lot during story and early endgame. People aren't going to have all the materials to invest heavily into endgame weapons right away. So for those watching this video thinking they made a mistake investing some into your Tamer, don't sweat it. You're perfectly fine. This game is a marathon not a sprint.

[@xFreedomSeeds]

Very well said as Someone who has put 22+k hours into the Destiny franchise. This game is very much so a marathon not sprint aka meant to be played for years and years not 3 months.

[@mort3020]

Agreed, tamer is good because of the zero entry cost in materials for ok-ish performance... obviously when you can do massive investments into other weapons with better secondary stats it will fall off.. This content creator is just going hyperbole to get views and clicks. Welcome to the do not rec list content clown

[@Haybai35]

This is literally irrelevant because you get the Thunder Cage before you can even get the Tamer and the TC is probably the best all-around gun, can be used in every type of content and is much better than the Tamer

[@niccoSun]

@@Haybai35 Thunder Cage shines in mobbing. Tamer right out the gate is amazing for early game colossus fights, which is what people use the Tamer mostly for anyway. Obviously when you can invest highly into other weapons the Tamer will fall off. Keep in mind you need MR 15 for Enduring Legacy, which you won't have right away. Eternal Willpower needs some decent investment to start doing crazy damage and now people are using Greg, which just recently became a thing because of the buff it got. If you're using Thunder Cage for colossus fights, well you do you. I'm not sitting here saying you should fully invest into the Tamer, but if you want to put an activator and 1 or 2 catalysts on it to get through the story and early endgame, then that is completely fine.

[@Shadow-vb9rq]

The butter knife is the best weapon if you just mod right. Put a little bit of butter, slap it on a piece of bread, and you're good to go

[@dorian_greyy6981]

Each gun has a meta, tamer is all attack, you put Mental Focus, Action Reaction and Rifle focus to get huge attack, then when you slap an elemetal status effect, you get 30% of that massive attack as an element, then finish with fire rate and mag size and you will smack. You dont need to build every single gun as crit and weakpoint. Play to the guns strengths

[@JarredHumphries-vh3ps]

I think its because the item needed to unlock a weapons capacity and start building it can be very rare to find. At such a low rate it makes investing in a weapon a daunting task as it could take forever to find another activator. I think some people just like confusing people on how to make a choice.

[@linzaaa306]

@@dorian_greyy6981 you know what meta means right ? There was never a second in this game where tamer was meta 😂 This gun is aweful Every weapon is somewhat decent if you upgrade it that doesnt mean that the gun is meta tho 😂 Why would someone upgrade tamer when you can just upgrade enduring legacy it just doesnt make sense 😂

[@Richard-ug4el]

@@linzaaa306 It was meta because everyone was using it. Do you know what meta means?

[@Anonymity818]

@@linzaaa306Because the enduring legacy grind is a long one and difficult and a lot of people don’t have the time to sit down and grind it out because they have jobs. The tamer can be acquired as a drop from missions so it’s easier to acquire and is a great dps weapon for bossing.

[@shadowmongrel5153]

Very true. I find Blue Mane to be a bit better in my opinion because it seems more accurate and I'm reloading less often. Same build, just different gun. In testing I saw that since Blue Mane has more rounds on target, 'cause accuracy' , I could actually get more damage in before reload. Even if Tamer has more DPS it's kinda useless since Tamer is the most inaccurate MG we have right now. The faster fire rate only exaggerates this difference.

[@zondor8123]

Tamer is the ignis wraith equivalent of warframe, it's good for new guys and ofc there's better weapons but it's definitely not sucks as you said

[@xuanhiepluong4798]

@@zondor8123 the look is bad thought, if they remove the shell from the barrel is better

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

Perfect description my friend. Excellent description.

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

@@xuanhiepluong4798 I love everything about the way it looks. I I think it looks perfect. To each their own dawg. All I’m hearing is your personal opinion and not facts.

[@galixeesgrotto5805]

I never could understand the appeal of Ignis Wraith. Sure it can reach out and touch enemies every easily but it sux in harder content. Just give me any beam that bounces, slap on punch through and double dip in damaging enemies if they are in a line. Slap on Sinister Reach and boom you get Ignis range... Well not really but that doesnt matter.

[@Laningo]

Tamer problem is it doesnt register every 2nd bullet. Also does anybody knows why Thundercage gets 22% crit chance(no mods) out of the ass? Does everything Bunny related has to be BIS, or will we see Thundercage become trashmob clear onyly in the future becouse koreans will decide 22% crit chance flat out of the ass was a bug?

[@whiskeydark8011]

The reason why content creators choose tamer its because its easy to get in the game. It also has the highest dps than many weapons that drop. After they acquire enduring legacy they drop the tamer. Also there is something he forgot to mention in the video. In order to use every module slot you will need to reset the weapon many times and farm energy activators for every slot. Not to mention grind and farm millions of kupier shards to max out the modules to max. You will need to put in that work to get this type of payoff. The second thing is he talks about the module concentration priority. Notice you cant take the same module and slap it in another weapon. That module comes in 4 ammo types. Which means you will need to farm another million of kupier shards to max them all general, special, impact, and high round ammo.

[@jetecorrige1556]

Tamer is very sucessful because it's very simple to obtain and have absolutly no recoil. Enduring legacy needs 10% drop rate material on hard mode colossus

[@thenightingale7405]

This is a grinding game. There is zero endgame. You're here to grind stuff, so grind the Enduring Legacy.

[@brunomonteiro7788]

@@jetecorrige1556 eternal Willpower is also rare, and can melt Colossus easily

[@jhensencasper]

​@brunomonteiro7788 the eternal willpower is what???? What are you smoking? I get like 10 of those everytime I go on a mission.

[@brunomonteiro7788]

@@jhensencasper thats what you heard bro. Just put mods for weapon damage and weapon crit damage. Mine is up for 220% crit damage and up to 92% weapon damage, then add the real life fighter mod, that Allows your weapon to get 100% more damage with 10 stacks of weakpoint damage per 5 seconds. Just careful, when you dont hit weakspots, you lose 2 stacks. Add some elemental damage of the weakness of the Boss, and there you go, tons and tons of damage. Also, try to god roll it, crit damage, chance, Colossus damage and ATK dmg with orange ones. There are some mods that you can add to reduce reload time, or even precision or recoil, that adds 6,5 crit dmg too, but thats up to you.

[@timproc9355]

@@thenightingale7405you can use Tamer while ranking to mastery 15. Tamer is fine as a starter weapon.

[@michaelumiker3561]

Just a heads up mental focus resets on reload so it doesn't matter how quick your reload is, might want to edit that real quick for correct info

[@NotYourDoctorNA]

I've always thought something that unfortunately doesn't show up on spreadsheets is feeling. I fell onto the tamer day 2 when I hit hard mode because it had enough ammo to kill multiple targets without reloading, even with low mod investment. Willpower has 1.9 sec reload for 25 bullets, and Tamer has 30% more reload time for 200-300% more magazine capacity. The damage numbers may even out when you're adding all the crit/weakpoint/etc, but the feeling doesn't (at least for me). As for Colossi: Am I hitting weak point every single bullet? No. Am I hitting the colossus every bullet? Yes. Having to think about "oh I should stop my burst so I can recenter on the tiny diamond in the boss's chest" is a lot more annoying than "release left click if you start seeing Immune" I still use the Tamer almost exclusively because it can clear a full Infiltration worth of mobs in a magazine and still have enough to kill (or phase) the boss. With the way mobs work in this game (rushing in packs) time spent reloading is time spent taking damage. Why run and time your reloads when you can just kill all the enemies and then reload while they're respawning?

[@Jet-ij9zc]

It's normal to miss some weak point hit but fyi colossus gain frenzy energy faster if you do not weak point dmg so you should always at least try to hit weak points

[@RedOctBrock]

I like how you are presenting them and talking about them like they are gourmet food dishes.

[@thegameturtle6195]

There’s more reasons to pick Enduring Legacy than just gun DPS stats, let’s not forget that gold reactors will give your reactor scaling a 20% high buff than a purple reactor’s 40% equip bonus. Also worth mentioning, the Enduring Legacy doesnt slow you down nearly as much as the Tamer does when aiming/firing the weapon, also making it harder for enemies to hit you. I’ve told my friends that Tamer is a good starting gun for hard mode, but they need to find a good legendary weapon to grind out to replace it. I will be sending them this video in hopes that it can explain to them how much of a difference it does make. Great video!

[@nuke2099]

The Enduring Legacy should slow you down the same as Tamer since both are LMG's.

[@thegameturtle6195]

Ive noticed each weapon has its own movement speed stats, they’re not entirely based on weapon classification. Swapping from a Tamer to the Enduring Legacy is noticeable, and considering all the other benefits of the EL vs Tamer, it’s honestly a no-brainer as to which gun is better, the movement increase is just the icing on the cake at that point.

[@SwantonBomb43]

@@nuke2099 they do in fact have separate values. EL does slow you down compared to other platforms, however it is quicker than the tamer.

[@LordTonzilla]

But then you have to remember to have that ultimate weapon in your hands whenever you cast a skill

[@MyNamelsUnknown]

@@LordTonzillaJust need the right gun and reactor. Apart from things like picking up ammo or some cheese builds you will be on your main weapon all the time anyways.

[@Plsrateeight]

Thank you for volunteering to help me grind for that gun, that's why you recommended it right, not the gun I can literally just pop into a mission and get a different version of like that but the gun I literally have to grind for? Also the recommended is literally the top 10% of players Mr streamer.

[@marcoscunha511]

Screw all that. Get yourself a Tamer until you open hard mode. It's cheap and effective. After you open hard mode, then think about it. If you like to use Bunny, get a solid hand gun because most of your dmg comes from skills. You want to shoot while running.

[@mort3020]

this is the way

[@attythegreat6674]

S tier breakdown. Earned a subscriber based on this level of detail

[@casablancoent2029]

The 3 guns mentioned are all good options, Enduring Legacy is definitely a great weapon to chase AFTER you've built your Tamer. Anyone with common sense knows that the Tamer is not end all be all, but I'm able to solo all the Hard Collosi boss fights because of the Tamer, so meh, take this video with a grain of salt. Also, the drop rates for anything in this game are atill horrendous, and I refuse to farm for the Ultimate weapons mentioned. Once the drop rates are better, I might put my Tamer down.

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

@ casablancoent2029. That’s fair. Enduring legacy is an absolute nightmare to get. Like anything ultimate in this game you just eventually throw your hands in the air and move on to something else . Or be an idiot and swipe

[@casablancoent2029]

@@jomama4822 sure no problem... First and Foremost this gun is expensive to build. So far I've pumped 7 Catalysts into it, and I'm planning on using 2 more. So just keep this in mind. With that being said, here is the current build... Riffling Enhancement - Max Better Insight - Max Action and Reaction - Max Consume Magazine - Max Weak Point Sight - Max Fire Rate Up - Max Better Concentration - Max Mental Focus - Max Commando Marksmanship - Max So some crit is better then no crit. At max you'll have close to 16% crit chance, with a 3.34x crit multiplier on a 100 round clip, that you can reload in under 2 seconds. Currently my weak point damage multiplier is 1.37x and will go up to almost 1.6x once I add the Weak Point Detection mod. Then mental Focus gives you 1% firearm atk damage up that stacks up to 150x. Unfortunately that's 50 stacks you don't have access to because of the clip size. But whatever, it's ok. As for gear rolls, I have crit chance/damage, weak point, and firearm atk all gold rolls, and basically max.

[@casablancoent2029]

@@jomama4822 here is a video I uploaded going against the Devourer with a weaker version of my current Tamer build. The tamer is a good weapon. It's not the end all be all, but with what's available, as well as considering the drop rates, this gun is the best weapon in the game. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5SyiXiFZbNgbJIsi=GLxPIzYa8Qq9N1FH

[@casablancoent2029]

@@jomama4822 here is a video of me fighting the Devourer with a weaker version of my current Tamer build. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5SyiXiFZbNgbJIsi=GLxPIzYa8Qq9N1FH

[@MrHaggyy]

I would say with 7 catalysts you can make almost any gun pop. But yes i like my tamer because of it's high raw damage.

[@TheAccursedEntity]

I've been grinding for Enduring Legacy for 3 days now, only got one of the blue prints. Was about to cry when I got it 😂 the grind is real.

[@christopherhammond7582]

Facts! So far I’ve grinded 3 ultimate weapons and now working on a 4th…it’s unreal lol

[@rejxdmouse]

And to think ppl said it’s an easy gun to farm 💀

[@SwantonBomb43]

Stay strong. Use an LFG if you can find one. I farmed 4 full ELs over a weekend of binge gaming.

[@thenightingale7405]

Same here. Starting on my duplicates today.

[@azDiF-l1c]

Try grinding for forest camo jumpsuit in fallout 76. 0.2 percent drop and I’m still looking for it since the damn show came out. Oh snap this is a first descendant video ?

[@RockLee12236]

So which of the guns does 1,974,679 dps?

[@TGNScout]

He explains around 4:05 seconds lol

[@Hassimal]

Anyone with a math background knows that even unknown, but graph-able isn’t unknown. Tamer is just fine this video proved nothing.

[@acefreak95]

Eternal Willpower in gleys hands has over 2m dps

[@2ELI7E]

@@TGNScout he actually doesn't. Because the highest DPS in game is only barely a mil. And that's been proven fact by another KZbinr already that does the math. There's absolutely no gun in the game that's pushing 2 million DPS. That's just a flat out lie.

[@2ELI7E]

@@RockLee12236 nothing. There's no gun in game with that kind of damage. He plugged a bunch of numbers he came up with to get to that number. No gun in game comes close to that number

[@ZO_666]

Very good points. You've convinced me to move towards Enduring Legacy. The modules are what is really holding me back. Thank you for the gun builds, they apply to most everything.

[@robynhood20]

Even if your reload is faster than 2 seconds, the buff from mental focus is lost on reload. Says so in the description. You can keep it forever if u use Gley though.

[@bradleyvision7315]

Not an issue if you have a 200 round mag

[@SOLIDFPS]

Yeah, I meant that in the context of using Gley but I can see how it was misunderstood.

[@BigZhxi]

​@@SOLIDFPShe meant u actually said this here 5:43

[@LCInfantry]

@@SOLIDFPS You very specially said if your reload speed was faster then 2 seconds, the stacks keep going.

[@Imtoast2011]

Wether or not its THE BEST GUN doesn't matter the tamer is a beast. use it till you've got the materials for enduring legacy or if you prefer ARs use eternal willpower

[@templeknights]

I been lurking your videos from the side lines for a while now since your ultimate bunny video and man it has helped me a lot I just started this game a week ago and this week makes it almost 2 weeks and a half now your videos have helped me tremendously as I was so lost in all the sauce videos being posted. I was struggling on how and what mods to put on my guns besides the general known ones and this REALLY helped subbing.

[@whodafokisdisguy5851]

For anyone who still wants to have a debate about the enduring Legacy vs Tamer- I have both maxed out with full sockets and modules and have tried 3 various builds on both (crit, weak point, mix of both) and the Enduring Legacy absolutely dogwalks the Tamer in damage in every test I have done. We are talking taking literal minutes off of Hard mode Collosus and I have not upgraded the enduring Legacies passive. The only gun that actually came close was my maxed out Eternal Willpower. But even with that you still lose out on 11 seconds worth of DPS PER ENDURING LEGACY MAG with full build. That's over 5 million less damage

[@tgixnz2769]

I have a fully upgraded tamer and haven't regretted it, literally carried me through every boss fight, and honestly you don't even need to use meta, run any gun you like because the content is so easy that you probably won't even notice the difference between two fully upgraded guns with a few exceptions though

[@zondor8123]

The uploader are so salty for tamer that he only giving likes to people who speak bad about tamer in the comments

[@avxngers]

Sounds like you’re just letting everyone else carry you through hard modes

[@tgixnz2769]

@@avxngers literally solo everything unless i can't but whatever youd like to think buddy

[@Jet-ij9zc]

​@@avxngerssoloed up to hard devour with tamer (3 catalyst), haven't attempted the bosses after devourer yet though

[@fade2black15]

same bro just max ajax non ult and tamer. and now i can solo hard boss and almost finish farming ult gley

[@FervorGaming]

great video solid. its been hard explaining to people that the tamer is a solid starter if you enjoy lmg playstyle but there are so many more powerful options like the enduring legacy. Glad to see you did the math caus it make things much easier! Great work man!

[@pureifiedagony1134]

Tamer is good to start with to get the others. To hold your own

[@Trueromancee]

Copium

[@Rek1emMScar]

@@Trueromancee he its not wrong.. When everyone was starting to do Hard bosses Devourer was hard because people with weapon like EW that couldn't kill the shield barrel that heal the boss. Tamer or High magazine weapon where better for the duty. I was one of the people recommending Tamer to my friend even before KZbinrs started to hype it out. But i never put a Catalyst or a Energy reactor because i knew it was only good as a step for better weapon that scale better with mods. Tamer has shit stat after all.. Same with EW but when i recommend it to people they always said that it recoil its trash. And they didn't like it for that.

[@JarredHumphries-vh3ps]

Yes tamer is easy to get and lazy to use. Its serviceable until you get more upgrade mats for better ones.

[@glaciuski1178]

Finally, someone with common sense in the comments like we get it man Tamer is not the best weapon in the game but is not a bad weapon to start with you can literally sh1t on any content in the game with Tamer or EW like literally dump a massive load on the game's content. People are just arguing for no reason lol

[@thatoneguy7444]

The first tamer I found was a 46k dps at level 46 and I had weapons in the 50s being completely outclassed by the tamer...not to mention I had a ton of phase exchangers that I hadnt used any of till I found that weapon...it was out classing even my ultimate weapons and I know ultimate doesnt mean itll be the best but it should at least of been somewhat up there with it

[@-camaro]

Mate u also doing this for other ammo types soon? And maybe after u did a vid on each type a genereal comparision showing which weapon is the strongest in general?

[@Mayhemtheone117]

The only reason i use the tamer is because it barely has any recoil, large magazine size and I like to use it with the mental focus damge mod.

[@jlindquist1996]

Tamer has less mag size then enduring legacy

[@Mayhemtheone117]

@@jlindquist1996 but tamer I can get anytime. I have to grind the parts for enduring legacy.

[@CVSiN]

@@jlindquist1996 but doesnt take days to weeks to get.. been trying to get that POS for 5 days now and still havent gotten it..

[@Dixy_1989]

Currently sitting around level 60 on my guns and build, absolutely keeping this video for when I'm at the point where my rolls and builds matter. Nice one.

[@mr-gummi]

This is great info, thanks! But what should mods look like before we forma any mod slots?

[@StrongArmEntertainment]

Warframe man hehe. I do the same thing lol

[@xia3495]

Finally someone who not promote tamer :) Sadly your spreadsheet isnt public, its more informative, way better then sheets from reddit..

[@Fearmaky]

Solid is just built Diff! great content as usual and very informative from a gamer that GAMES!, I have paragoned my EL 8 times and leaning more on Elemental damage. great video my man.

[@milloshfey3442]

Watched the video then dropped my tamer and got my Thunder Cage tunned to go farm my first hard mode dg. The DPS shown was surprisingly very low but I used it anyway. And guys, I can confirm, the Tamer is better than the Thunder Cage in any possible way. More bullets, each bullet hit more, things die much faster and the farm is much easier with the tamer. Maybe if I farm a lot of stuff it will change, but if you just got to the hard mode KEEP YOUR TAMER. Oh, And the Thunder Cage has more modules bc it have 2 slots vs zero from tamer.

[@glawfpv9112]

Just put the Legacy on to cook, and saw this video. Now i'm hype 😂👍🏻

[@A_Maggot]

Reloading resets 'Mental Focus' always, it even says so right on it. Does not matter how fast your reload.

[@quangphucvu6286]

Im still using Eternal Willpower because it matches my Ultimate Bunny suit 😂

[@xuanhiepluong4798]

Fashion is key

[@PeaceDeliverer]

Same here I like how it looks and shoots, the only thing I don't, it's reload time, so I'll have to sacrifice some mod for it..

[@PeaceDeliverer]

​@@xuanhiepluong4798it's all about DPS while looking cool 😎

[@LKRBooks]

@@PeaceDeliverer good thing you can dodge roll when the reload is about halfway. Makes you look cool when finishing that reload lmao

[@xuanhiepluong4798]

@@PeaceDeliverer or sub attack when mid reload, stun enemy and aim the head

[@ewantube4555]

Number one the Tamar is in the early game weapon. Number two having a perfectly built weapon even if it has the best modules if it isn't usable by the player it isn't going to be good so sometimes swapping out damage for accuracy is useful.

[@asakapa0003]

Glad im a gley main. I never have to worry about ammo and reloading. I just hit z and v then i just go brrrrrrrrrrttt until everything is dead

[@mea7yy]

😂

[@vinzy6355]

True especially if you want to play the game on gun damage instead of skills

[@jeffrey778]

earned my sub, for the weapon types and how they differ

[@snowyfang5088]

actually the numbers on DPS are accurate enough but stuff like weak point or elemental damage is called unreliable damage which implies the dmg is different based on what it hits so you simply need to calculate these urself but true i do admit they should include this dps increase somewhere on the side somewhere. but yes he is completely right about tamer since the critical damage in this game is king and tamer fails hard at it sadly. i recommend going weak point dmg on tamer instead of crit and going for a single element and use tamer for the bosses weak to that element specifically only which i recommend to use chill but this is my opinion. mental focus is always gonna be the best unreliable DPS for machine guns as the dmg lasts long if u go for extended mags and i doubt every1 is perfect on weakpoints so this is a perfect setup for those who have a harder time hitting them.

[@nexokami]

Tamer is viable for crit build if you mostly main Enzo. Enzo can rack it up to 76% Crit Rate if ur tamer is somewhere near 20% crit rate which includes substat and modifiers to begin with.

[@Wolfpaxrunning]

@nexokami the 59%crit is enough on Enzo, tbf. You would do better attacking higher crit damage, then WP damage, instead of investing so hard into crit rate. Tamer is accurate enough and has low enough recoil to reliably score WP hits. Roll for crit damage, WP damage, mag size, and firearm atk.

[@KalindiPrana]

looking for a great assault rifle. theres quite a few and alot of opinions but id like to know what you think is the best. i would prefer an ultimate but if its not just the best.

[@kungfudavie]

Eternal willpower is the best currently. The ultimate AR suck

[@kordvoa9653]

I knewwwwwwwwww something didn't make sense cause if you can get crit AND weak point it just seemed inherently better, thanks for confirming

[@KozmicPlays]

Very solid video. I was going to do an enzo 100% crit rate 150 round tamer build (you can't reload or you lose the buff) but can't get the vaults to drop so i've been looking at other options. Time to grind up another purple gun while working through hard mode 😅

[@mr.g1672]

I quite like LMGs in general. Are there amy other LMGs that can perform better than the tamer? Or is it just the tamer and the enduring legacy? And how long does it take to farm 5 enduring legacies?

[@Twizzler300]

This. Tamer is by far best gun LOL guys delusional. He thought mental focus was obtainable if you reload fast enough 😂

[@rightupmyalley617]

@@Twizzler300 bot

[@kungfudavie]

@@Twizzler300are you smooth brained?

[@laurit.5699]

That´s cap. Bro is just mad because he hopped on the hype train and fully socketed he´s ugly ass tamer, just to realize the gun is medicore compared to others. Ehem, Enduring Legacy.

[@phoenixfire8226]

and enduring legacy just got a huge crit dmg buff lol. sad really i hate lmgs but they are got tier in this game and most other stuff is shit by comparison with a handful of exceptions.

[@TheJorge10466]

Perfect title. Not clickbait, grabs attention, and made me laugh because I just pimped mines out. Earned a sub for this one and solid proof!

[@Twizzler300]

Except it is clickbait. And dude doesn't even explain mods right.. you don't keep mental focus if you reload fast enough. It's quite cringe actually to say "people are holding you back by using tamer.." laughable honestly.

[@ragetobe]

Thundercage is terrible at range on a boss. Tamer stays on the boss for the whole clip at range.

[@delacroixii]

Well, cage keeps you mobile and out of harms way. Tamer makes you an easy target.

[@dalle5840]

The game sucks on console with the super wide deadzone, its make it near impossible to control this weapon

[@ragetobe]

@@delacroixii But you need to be close with Cage the drop off is insane, it’s not noob friendly at all for bosses. Most people rocking these weapons have not completed the game yet and while the cage is amazing for trash being able to unload a full clip with Tamer from distance is definitely more noob friendly than cage on a boss.

[@ragetobe]

@@dalle5840 I’m not having that issue at all, I even play it on the ps portal and it’s fine.

[@lmao-c]

at that point just use eternal willpower

[@masterofthedeathwing2839]

I am fully in The Last dagger camp. That gun has machine spirits and is fun to use and a bit of a party animal.

[@fraktality]

Thanks for the excellent work, Solid! Could you share the link to this spreadsheet with us?

[@Redgrave2442]

The Tamer is a pretty solid weapon tbh. Didn’t realize it was meta until I saw everyone on KZbin using it. There are better options as there is for every weapon but for what it can do I was still managing normal and hard without a hassle until I got enduring legacy.

[@JeovahLovesYou]

What about Blue Blood Bloom SMG and Python?

[@SOLIDFPS]

I ran the numbers for those guns for my Gley and they aren't impressive. The high RPM makes Massacre's skill damage do more DPS but the guns themselves just aren't as good so it ends up being a net loss. Python should be used on Valby/Enzo for flat crit buffs to make it much stronger.

[@Geesmen]

@@SOLIDFPSon your Gley would you use TC rather than python and bbsmg?

[@luripu]

Good to know. I choosed EW as my "to go" Weapon 2 weeks ago because it was the middle between TC and Tamer. I was starting solo Hardmode Bosses and with Tamer in my Hands i was too slow. TC dont had the "Range" i needed sometimes in fights like vs. Dead Bride so EW was the best Option. For mobbing TC is still my best option if i dont play Bunny/Viessa.

[@sherpagoolsbee8390]

Tamer is fantastic in early progression, but falls off quickly due to its low crit chance.

[@Cod__Fish]

If you invest more you can bring it back by having enough CC to be worth modding CC but if you dont like that you can go a pure dmg and weakpoint build thats only a tiny bit lower dmg overall

[@jonathang3908]

Can increase crit chance by using Valby water 😅

[@sherpagoolsbee8390]

@@Cod__Fish - The only way to get enough CC is in having an Enzo... Well, until they fix Enzo's box. There is no way that box is suppose to give base crit. With an Enzo box, Tamer's base crit is 39% making it competitive. If someone invested in Tamer, I would recommend just making sure to have an Enzo while farming something better.

[@sherpagoolsbee8390]

@@jonathang3908 haha... True. Yet another buggy red mod lol

[@Cod__Fish]

@@sherpagoolsbee8390 its even stronger than in the beta and in the beta it shredded the last hard boss without any buffs so i think its enough dmg to play the game and thats on a non crit build that is less dmg than crit version

[@mooberrypie2637]

Amazing video. Could you do this type of video for the other types of rounds?

[@Dryceman]

Finally the video we needed …as I’m going to be referencing this every damn Tamer argument I’m in

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

I never saw the fuss with the tamer. It’s just the ease of it guess. Easy to get and it’s a bullet hose. If you like seeing lots of white numbers it’s fantastic

[@daydreaminsanity]

man I knew it, dps in the gun is only for aesthetics. Luckily I stucked with TC & never regret it

[@willbzurk6678]

Good stuff as always solid love your content

[@benhorner3518]

Here's a little fact some bosses have crit damage reduction

[@SOLIDFPS]

And if that was a problem, we'd make sure to have a special rounds weapon with the crit resistance reduction debuff mod.

[@ramelroyandoyan]

I’m working my way for the LMG. Just been using the Thunder SMG to get me through the campaign 😊

[@BlickyMaus]

Bradley is going to be pissed

[@whitesea8434]

Who is Bradley and why is he gunna be pissed?

[@bradleyvision7315]

​​@@whitesea8434I'm bradley and i dismantled 2 maxed ultimate gleys with thundercages in a dps check their only argument is solo boss kills 😢

[@SOLIDFPS]

@@whitesea8434 it's an ongoing meme in our community discord. Bradley is our resident Tamer main 🤣

[@ForgottenShinobi11]

I just started investing into enduring legacy and oh boy the dmg.

[@SOLIDFPS]

Yeah that thing is a monster. More people need to get that thing and the whole community will suffer less on hard mode bosses imo.

[@jbillet5864]

I use thunder cage and the tamer together on Ajax and Valby both, works amazing. I even rotate out whatever heavy ammo gun the situation requires and i can always shred when tamers out and i need a reload i just switch to thunder keep melting til i have a window. Ive only just beat the devourer but i know the tamer is not going to be the best dps weapon you can build, its just a really good barebones across the board dps dealer

[@sabat93]

The 🐐 coming in clutch

[@flakcannon722]

Eternal willpower is surprisingly good, I'd say it's better than the tamer for most content. Also being able to move faster helps with survival

[@Yehonathanatos]

The math be mathingggg. Tamer is going into the bin.

[@herbertcoxe3601]

lol

[@The_Judge300]

I guess you love running back and forward to get more ammo on hard colossi while the rest of your party is taking it down for you then 😉 Unless you use Gley of course. What he is not taking into account is practical dps where you might not get the ammo drops you need during a colossi fight. Of course the case is different when you have min-maxed like he has and most likely kill the hard colossi solo. Then he is fighting a colossus that is much weaker than the one you fight when being in a full party. For players that are not no-lifers and not able/willing to spend lots of real money to min-max, the Tamer is still by far one of the best weapons they can use in this game. Of course if you are a no-lifer or a whale, then there are multiple options that are better to much better then the Tamer. If you want to nuke hard colossi solo and is a no-lifer or a whale, then you should get ultimate Gley and go with a launcher build and forget about any of the weapons he talked about.

[@Yehonathanatos]

​@@The_Judge300LOL! I hear you. This is why I ended up with the tamer. Sundays are my grind days but a few Vesper missions for the sub or Rnk 15 for the EL would be idea. Gley I really want but time and luck is against me.

[@themnades]

@@The_Judge300 Why do you need more ammo? Is it because your tamer can't kill the boss fast? The starting ammo is plenty with my Thunder Cage :)

[@herbertcoxe3601]

@@The_Judge300 In my opinion Tamer is outright at the bottom of this list but… yeah for right now it’s easy to get and build it’s a great gun 100% but it’s not the meta once you get better stuff ✅ Perforator, Piercing Light, Afterglow Sword, Assassin's Edge, Python, Thunder Cage, Wave of Light, Eternal Willpower, Vesitigal Organ, Enduring Legacy, Tamer,

[@patrol2omega]

I created a Tamer with heavy focus on nature damage and the result was outstanding as nature damage will be around 80% of your MAIN WEAPON total damage at the end of the game. The best part is that it only cost 2 mods or 3 if you want to add the gold mod. It was brutal as it was like shooting with 2 weapons simultaneously. I'm now trying a Tamer with the highest critical damage build

[@PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH]

what the hell is nature damage? are you talking about pokemon or something?

[@TotoBoto-fp1sb]

Im fine with my tamer so far, 2 more catalyst and it will be fully built. Thunder and Legacy are fully built. Eternal willpower have so much recoil and you need to invest a recoil mod in it so its a waste of slot imo. We all know Thunder cage is beast and Enduring legacy like for over 2 weeks now.

[@SOLIDFPS]

If "everyone" knew, they wouldn't be using tamers or bringing them up in Twitch chat but here we are. Recoil is a skill issue. No one needs to waste a mod on recoil reduction. Learn to pull down when you shoot. Math shows that Tamer is a waste of resources compared to other options but you go right ahead and spend those however you like. 👍

[@TotoBoto-fp1sb]

@@SOLIDFPS its not an skill issue wtf you talking about. Gun has alot of recoil afc you can control it but why would you when you have guns that dont any recoil and still do same dmg. Bro you made this video when everyone else made it, why didnt you talk about these guns at the start of the game. Guess math didnt work at the start lmao

[@SOLIDFPS]

​@@TotoBoto-fp1sb Recoil control is 100% a skill issue. If you can't control it and you say you NEED a recoil reduction mod, that's a YOU problem which is solved with a small amount of practice.

[@shteppa]

@@SOLIDFPSthat’s a very elitist and misinformed take. recoil is absolutely a thing and if it was just a skill issue, every cs and valorant pro would never miss a single bullet on a spray, taking out movement mechanics. can pros hit more shots than non pros? ofc. but you’re implying you can never miss a shot even with recoil, which is just not true. every bullet you miss is 0 dps, or less dps if it’s not on the weak spot. i can see high recoil for colossi batteries at med range being an issue, or their chest weak spot that is small. it doesn’t matter how good your recoil control is, you will miss more with higher recoil than less

[@TotoBoto-fp1sb]

@@SOLIDFPS like i said before why use a gun with recoil when there is a gun without one that do the same stuff. Also contolling recoil on m&k and controller is not the same even tho this game has crazy aim assist that like aimbot on controller.

[@kooligan500]

Damn I didn’t even know about the Tamer just messed around and used it and loved it

[@Trueromancee]

People complain about bad and unoriginal youtube creators regurgitating bad builds and setups. Then finally someone makes a good video and look at this comment section and dislike ratio, you clowns deserve these bad youtubers, stay free and keep being a tamer gamer high on copium.

[@SeriousDanh]

You don't have a choice to use the Enduring Legacy. You have a full three days of painful grinding.

[@TwoFaced200]

I would put python on the list of good general round weapons

[@marcelrasperger1668]

He don’t have optimal Python loadout

[@SOLIDFPS]

Due to the way general rounds crit mods are, to me it's just a support weapon. I've ran the numbers on Python for my Gley when I was trying to perfectly min/max my massacre DPS and Python just doesn't keep up. It's mandatory for Python to be used on Valby and/or Enzo to benefit from flat crit buffs if we wanted to turn it into a competitive DPS weapon. Also if we tuned Python for Toxic ATK, and it's naturally a weak point gun, the worst part about elemental damage is that it doesn't scale with weak point hits. It's unfortunate.

[@Firelavaguy2]

​@@SOLIDFPSWhat do you think about in a group setting where the gley can use Enzo's crit rate buff?

[@StangMan06]

keep up the awesome work!

[@aremios9556]

Bro thats clickbait

[@TKS2128]

People say that Tamer is stronger than EL is delusional. They are simply unable to admit their own foolish act of fully upgrading Tamer.

[@jewelplate]

Tamer at 10 crystals is worse than a 4 crystal TC lmao

[@bradleyvision7315]

​@@jewelplatelet's go 2 man any boss and see who does more damage

[@brandondean9040]

I have 9 catalyst in my tamer and 6-7 in EL and EL is def better I like a couple things about the tamer more but EL is better dps

[@Saggyspandex]

Tamer is great for what it is. Easily obtainable weapon that can get you through all the content in the game. There are plenty of better options.

[@Jsobone]

Makes sense, I doubt many of the purple weapons will outclass the gold ones.

[@brandonbrown8516]

I use elemental damage but more as a proc. The elemental conductor modules give more weapon damage if an enemy is effected by that status effect. So even if the elemental damage isn't strong on that enemy I still am getting an increase in weapon damage if I'm working this module correctly.

[@rattango9819]

meh tamer is still good enough for me tho. I can hit 4x crit dmg on tamer and a 50% crit rate with valby. Its good enough to clear all content.

[@SOLIDFPS]

A lot of guns are "good enough" with investment but I bet you'd love that Enduring Legacy, at least 50% more (heh), when you get it as juiced as your Tamer might be right now. Have you started grinding towards it yet?

[@rattango9819]

@@SOLIDFPS nope. Dont need it. why would i want something for meta? I'd rather farm for something i actually want.

[@IamSylxr]

2:17 _Imagine using this? Couldn't be me!_ 😂

[@insane5907]

TAMER GAMERS 🤮

[@robmurray5453]

Supply firearm enhancement (Enzo mod) easy 60-70% crit chance for tamer. It’s actually very good with that

[@killa540]

Yeah hold on, let me get my Tamar out so I can Farm these weapons

[@BOD1310]

Very informative video. I love it

[@DaBurrs7]

lol I'm here cuz of the title. Also just used my catalyst on my tamer🙃

[@TristanGTR]

still rather use the tamer, all that crit does nothing if you are reloading...

[@SOLIDFPS]

You'd use a Tamer over an Enduring Legacy? HUH

[@345345345345345435]

@@SOLIDFPS you explained in your video, you dont even have one, how many tamers you have?

[@OptionallyVibrating]

Tamer is why ppl still in chat asking for carries 🤣🤣🤣

[@nuke2099]

@@SOLIDFPS If it was easier to get Enduring Legacy and fully limitbreak it more people would use it. Tamer is just stronger at the start even without investment. That's why its used. Its not the best but its better until you can get better. Python is also a good option for a SMG.

[@sittkukk8278]

@@nuke2099 Tamer will get through bosses alright, but it will slow you down so can make it harder to dodge / maneuver + it can be very inaccurate. The biggest problem for tamer is to hit like bosses Cell Capsules you know those that you have to break or anything to do w some kind of mech. You have to get incredibly close and even then can be pain in the ass. If I had to start off as starter once again I would probably recommend Eternal WIllpower since it's easy to get as the Tamer and if you want you can add mods to fix the issue like Mag size, 1 recoil mod. Not a big deal you will have the dmg and the movement.

[@OliverK1]

Tamer is fine for non ultimate weapon, ive built mine up to over 500k dps, next best (thunder) ult is barely 300. Build the gun to its strengths. Tamer is not a crit gun. Its about putting lots of ammo down stream nonstop.

[@RaptorJesus.]

maybe stacked out with a billion mods other guns can overtake tamer, but for people who havent spent a thousand hours or a load of cash to get all of those crystal catalysts and kuiper shards Tamer is usually the best. you can stick a few firearm ATK mods like reinforced rifling on Tamer with a fire rate increase and it will do better than any other similarly equipped weapon.

[@swirvesmusic]

You can beat tamer within 50hrs total playtime and if you push it, maybe 30hrs...not sure why it would take you so long.

[@bigsarge1982]

Tamer has the second highest ATK to eternal willpower and can be built up to 170+rounds in mag. Crit and weakpoint on it are low, but you can ramp up elemental damage to do about 60% per shot so I'd say elemental is much better on it than crit or weak point. Enduring legacy is the goal for sure, but it's hard to farm. Tamer can carry you to it. Thunder Cage and Eternal willpower are also good choices tho... I don't think the Tamer slander was necessary lol

[@Brasshound480]

Good vid bro. Conductor mods are pretty solid as the gold if yoh can reliably keep it up with character skills.

[@bradleyvision7315]

They get outclassed by mental focus

[@Brasshound480]

@@bradleyvision7315 Mental focus on an SMG and not being held by Gley? Don't think so.

[@bradleyvision7315]

@@Brasshound480 that's why you use a tamer with a 200 round mag 😘

[@Brasshound480]

@@bradleyvision7315 Your gonna lose this argument especially here. Tamer is good for new players who can't clear content because they put their cats in the character and not the weapons.

[@bradleyvision7315]

@@Brasshound480 sounds like a challenge we can 2 man any boss and see who out damages who

[@soappygoodness]

what paint are you using for the body colour of your ult bunny?

[@MrHaggyy]

The thing with the tamer is it's super easy to get, and as crit mods don't really matter you can build it with one or two catalyst and you can already play the hardmode bosses. Also the crit damage buff on general rounds is so high because the crit rate of other classes is so much higher. On average you get about the same damage boost if one pair of crit rate + crit damage is all you put on. In the real endgame the Tamer needs some help in it's crit rate from Valby or Enzo for example. When you put it on 30% or above 50% crit rate it suddenly becomes a monster again. But overall the point is valid, it's base crit rate is not really worth maxing it out if you can't support it.

[@jblue4786]

Side note that's not being said is you must reach Mastercraft level 15 in order to research the lmg

[@TheFenix6787]

Crit chance and crit chance in mods are * of the base crit change and crit damage of the weapon... making it Snipers > some hand cannons > tactical rifles more effective for a crit build over 30% base crit chance

[@Trodai2020]

Greg Fate has the highest base crit and dmg but no one ever talk about that. I like your videos thinking with actual facts and practical reasoning

[@dekahoe]

Of course they have to scale the crit dmg multis when the base damage is so much higher on for example snipers. That doesn't mean that general rounds weapons are in any way stronger, just more easilly accessed. A well built sniper can 1-shot bosses.

[@darksto]

heyy solidfps should I reroll weakpoint dmg to colous damage for better bossing ?

[@jewelplate]

leave it on weakpoint. the SMG dont roll that high for colossus damage and it will be more universal

[@HLGpanda]

The Tamer w/ only 3 crystals in my has been doing me just fine. I might not melt bosses, but at a certain point you can farm only so much & never get the certain materials, let alone the blueprint to drop out of the material

[@kungfudavie]

They give you 2 thundercages as part of the story….. how much farming does that need again? You can’t even get to hard mode without getting two of them 😂

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

Then there’s me, who loves the tamer because of how it looks. It’s my favorite gun in the game. I chose to use this gun. Thanks for literally crapping all over it🙂🙃 it’s not even that horrible. I find it completely usable. You don’t need to hug a meta. I liked the tamer before I found out about the yt videos about it. Someone at nexon turned my personality into a gun. Tamer is just fine. The great part about it is that it’s only a purple weapon, so it’s super mega cheap to re-roll its stats. THAT’S what makes it so good. With no mushroom, it does 350k dps with basic mods. It’s just a solid friend that won’t let you down, and that’s all I’m asking for.

[@Wolfpaxrunning]

Every character aside from Enzo you mean. His transcendent 1 and base 4 are additive crit bonus after the multiplicative mods. A tamer with 59% crit (which only lasts for one clip) EL or tamer due to massive mags are hands down the best for him. EL has a slightly larger clip, and 10% more crit chance but lower base bullet damage, and more recoil. Mod priority should be firearm atk, fire rate, mag size, crit damage, wp damage.

[@thenightingale7405]

Pretty clear he's just talking about guns and not tweaking them for each character.

[@Wolfpaxrunning]

@thenightingale7405 maybe watch the video again? He keeps pointing out why the guns are good on Gley, but not that Enzo and Valby should be using the EL or Tamer, due to their flat crit rate bonuses. Trust me, I was using willpower until I hit hard mode, the Tamer and EL are the BEST for Enzo and Valby. 19 second devourer on HM doesn't lie (34 on Valby, but she's not as upgraded as my Enzo.)

[@Deathimonkey]

Most people choose tamer bc it is an early drop no building and farming the hard mode only bosses.... it is a good entry level weapon and yes u should replace it with enduring legacy after u get to that point. Also mental focus resets on reload doesn't matter how fast of a reload u have

[@Iammint77]

I love the EW to be fair, it’s my go to for heavy stuff. Seems like i can make some adjustments tho.

[@tehmace]

Interesting, does the +Crit Rate on Edging shot significantly outweigh the reduction in ATK?

[@SOLIDFPS]

It does on weapons with high base crit rate and when your ATK% is already high from other mods.

[@dominikb9202]

What happens if you use Tamer on Valby with the moisture mod ? Def one of the best videos explaining weapons and how to mod. This should help a lot of people. Well done !!!!!

[@fisher-hv7ou]

death that what happens

[@Gl0wStickss]

sweeping squad is really good for mobbing tbh. (legendary mod)

[@NeUwUnWave]

I cleared everything with my Tamer just saying also there is ways to bring up the cc of Tamer via Valby or Enzo . What u also have to consider is the Constant reloading.

[@SOLIDFPS]

Which the math shows isn't a problem because stacking damage multipliers and hitting your shots is generally a net positive in sustained DPS over an increase in reload speed. Mag Size increase will give you generally better return on investment over reload speed.

[@NeUwUnWave]

@@SOLIDFPS Thats what im saying ur math in Theory is correct but u have to Consider that u are always moving during bosses so these on paper stats fall flat realy quickly. If u ever played Destiny the Tamer is the Equivalent of Thunderlord its an LMG that causes thunderstrikes and partially reloads itself. Its what we call Lazy DPS.

[@delacroixii]

​@@NeUwUnWavethundercage > tamer

[@NeUwUnWave]

@@delacroixii TCage is good dont get me wrong but it has more of an ad clear role imo.

[@SOLIDFPS]

​ ​ @roffel99 Paper stats are used to identify outliers. The point being that if you were going to only pick one gun to build for pure damage, why would you pick a Tamer instead of something that scales at least 50% higher with the exact same mods equipped? Thunder Cage and Eternal Willpower are also both available early so accessibility is a non issue. TCage is also easy to use and universally good. Eternal Willpower is great but understandably there are casual players in the comments that would rather not learn to control its recoil when there are easier options. Enduring Legacy is this game's true Thunderlord because it's the one gun you'd build into more elemental damage anyways and less reliance on weak points.