YouTube Ads Told Us to Buy This: Redux Gaming PC Review

[@GamersNexus]

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[@yagooatthegoat]

Cool

[@xvbd6067]

Wow, GN is harsh,.. keep it up :b

[@yagooatthegoat]

At least its not garbage, there is an upgrade path

[@BigBear--]

@GN - just on REDUX’s site, and they’re still pushing the 1650 for their “Good” build. Price was $1322 - however it auto defaulted to an AMD build with a 5600.

[@GameBacardi]

@Gamer Nexus test this DIY Thermal Paste: watch?v=8RJ-vLLwDPU

[@larrykowalsky3462]

When Beve Sturke asks where his order is at you better respond in a timely fashion

[@gerhardsmith7892]

Stede Barks

[@Arashmickey]

"Beve Sturke is never late, nor is he early." right, Gandalf?

[@Operational117]

@@gerhardsmith7892 Oh, he barks alright. But he can bite with his reviews, and most companies won’t escape without grievous injuries to their business (or at least their reputation). Ask Dell and HP about it. In other words, Steve’s bite is *far* worse than his bark!

[@curtisbme]

No, if he reaches out you cancel the order if you want to continue to trick people into buying your cheapo product.

[@justsomeguy5470]

@@curtisbme No you either delist the product and make another slightly different one or, fix the problem and be happy with the easy money you made

[@sarcophegus]

Adding the Liquid Cooler was purely a marketing choice. In my experience as a system builder, ALOT of customers prefer a gaming PC with a Liquid Cooler because they generally see it as "powerful" or "cool", and if you try and convince them to save money and use a standard air cooler instead they just brush it off or think you are trying to cheat them by using cheaper parts...don't underestimate the naivety of many people...

[@8draco8]

This. Say thanks to all those tech KZbinrs that was painting air-coolers as bad solution for years

[@ClonesDream]

@@8draco8 LinusMarketManipulationTips?

[@christiannorf1680]

And in addition to that most people probably don't realize that a liquid cooler WILL need maintenance and possibly replacement with a catastrophic failure being much more likely. While a good old air cooler can practically run forever as long as you do the occasional dust-off.

[@sarcophegus]

I will always push for air cooler first to my customers unless it’s an i9 or Ryzen 9 , but if they insist on liquid I will not argue much, it’s more sales money for me lol

[@deanchur]

Point them to NUCs that have been running on stock air for years to support your argument. Heck, you could even use consoles as well; an XBOX 360 ran at about 180W.

[@tomatus270389]

"It's Not E-waste" Award! Not sure if that's better or worse than "Better than Dell".

[@x8jason8x]

It's better. E-waste is the enemy of right to repair. I think it's slightly below the "Doesn't Suck" award. lol

[@TerminusTartaros]

Lol I pretty much wanted to make the same comment.

[@MishiMIshaniz]

i think it's about equivalent, really

[@randoir1863]

I say its slightly above Dell as it's upgradable

[@user-njyzcip]

This PC actually managed to get the "it's not ewaste" award and the "worse than Dell" award at the same time 🤯

[@Delfite]

Note: After visiting Redux's website they have improved the default part selection for all 3 options which is certainly a step up from what was shown in this video

[@thunderouspasta]

well, that's nice that they actually accept feedback

[@2Evil2Hope]

Okay so now the system is just a lone turd instead of being covered in puke. Nice improvement!

[@nightmarezero8465]

@@2Evil2Hope stay salty it still beats your system lmao

[@2Evil2Hope]

@@nightmarezero8465 I'm guessing you overpaid for a POS from this company and now you feel bad. 😆

[@jjpaq]

@@nightmarezero8465 That's a weird comment, considering it's not hard to get something that matches this for half the price, or beats it by 60%+ for slightly cheaper (as the video showed). My new build is a R5 5600 and 3070 that cost about $1500 CAD and I officially think this is overrated. Even if you want an easy experience, watch some reviews and go to a different SI.

[@eldibs]

"Built fairly competently" is incredibly high praise for a pre-built, even if the specs are awful for the price.

[@mrjaked420]

the thing about the price is that u can customize Some of it. u can skip the windows 10 key. which decreases the value. u can get this exact build down to $1,165 by customizing it.

[@rube9169]

@@mrjaked420 I know this was a year ago, but $1,165 is still garbage value for the components. My *laptop* has a 1650 mobile (I know it's not exactly the same), a better cpu (11400H), and 144Hz monitor... for $500 total. Yes this video and you comment are about a year old, but it still shouldn't take anywhere near $800, let alone $1,165 to build this system.

[@whohan779]

@@rube9169 I just got a second-hand like brand-new MSI Laptop with 3070 and 11th gen Octacore for €900 which is $975 currently from eBay. You really know this prebuild is f**ed when a laptop outcompetes it that includes all peripherals. And yeah, this was in times of the mining craze, but a 1650 was a ~$200 GPU back then (at least those that were available), so questionable price-balance still. Also, yes I am aware that laptop components lose to those in Desktops due to reductions in clock-speeds (and sometimes even active cores). The PC shown still shouldn't have topped $950 imo even back then.

[@gokublack8342]

@@mrjaked420 it shouldnt cost more than maybe 750 even as a prebuilt I could build something that low spec for probably 500

[@Purplesunset-]

​@@whohan779the mobile models are low power versions that are not comparable to desktop models.

[@johnvvoorthuijzen2653]

A prebuilt with 2 sticks of ram! Someone warn Dawid, he needs to see this

[@one_shot07]

Lol

[@justaadhdgamerwesley6244]

That ram stick needs a friend :(

[@ninetenduh]

A Prebuild that doesn't suck? With 2 ram sticks? And without a 710? He doesn't have enough pants to replace the ones he soils looking at that combination.

[@xBruceLee88x]

Haha indeed

[@noodled6145]

Who's dawid?

[@philtkaswahl2124]

"Connect your keyboard and mouse to the P." Now normally I wouldn't kinkshame, but given the price tag for this I think a little shaming is in order.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

"Naughty, naughty computer..."

[@wykedinsanity]

im dying laughing, literrally in the P what?

[@patsk8872]

Redux are friends of P so they're friends with me

[@thetalesofdaneandco]

5:53 That moment when Steve gives so much money to Redux, he has to change his shirt.

[@daghtus]

I seriously had to rewind to double check if his shirt indeed changed color or I simply drank too much last night.

[@H0lyMoley]

@@daghtus Well if you have to ask, the answer's probably "both". :D

[@the_Scarlet_one]

@@H0lyMoley hahaha! That was a great response!

[@Otie64]

it was a weird cut and it wasn't acknowledged, i thought it was a flashback or something for a good while

[@imamalox]

Literally in the first three seconds when he said 'GTX 1650' and I saw the AIO tubes I knew this PC was gonna be an epic failure lmao

[@hajimesajto89]

Checking the offer 5months later and the same build now contains a corsair air cooler and a 2060, the power supply is now a 600w gold. rest seems the same but for 1379$. I am assuming the performance is now way closer to other prebuilds tested and who knows, maybe just because of your review. Keep your good work up.

[@AQS521]

My brother just bought the one with the 2060 and it’s a beast.

[@cobaltss50]

2 years ago my nzxt came with a 2070 super over clocked with a Ryzen 3700x 120mm liquid aio cooler dual channel ram in 16gb team Vulcan ram at 3200mb, ddr4, arous b450 pro wifi motherboard, 650watt bronze power supply 1tb m.2 nvme ssd , 2 year warranty covered even with xmp profile enabled, at the time it was called the gamer and streamer pc. I paid 1400 for it for order to build to shipped I got my pc in the 2 week time frame they promised.

[@thetshadow999animates9]

@@AQS521 what makes a beast? I have a 2060, too btw. I just see it used anywhere from 1060 to 3080

[@thetshadow999animates9]

@candyman 1440p 165hz

[@lain2236ad]

@@thetshadow999animates9 2080 super or 3060ti r cheap now

[@sereth7582]

My Girlfriend's comments on the coasters: "They look cool." This is an official seal of approval you need on the website. This comment has been edited - correct apostrophe location applied.

[@SuntaX10]

Where can I download this "girlfriend"?

[@GamersNexus]

Your apostrophe placement is risky!

[@Quicksilver-7791]

@@GamersNexus Girlfriends'? how is th- Oh.

[@jc.1191]

@@GamersNexus 😂 good catch

[@sereth7582]

@@GamersNexus My life is risky.

[@JakeStz]

Microcenter's in house prebuilts "Powerspec" are pretty good. Some questionable hardware decisions, but pretty good price for what they provide.

[@startedtech]

I can also speak for some 2nd hand accounts through my friends little bro. He unfortunately somehow had TWO AIOs fail on him in different ways, both times they replaced it by the next day, and this time with a overkill H115i Elite Capellix. They also replaced his CPU, saying it would be "heat-damaged" from it which I'm not too sure about considering it didn't ever reach thermal shutdown... On top of that, they let him keep the components they replaced! So I'm about to get a free i7-10700K since I helped him out throughout it 😅. Their customer service is just top notch. Shame GN couldn't have the store experience since they don't live near a microcenter.

[@ok-qz7cx]

moving to microcenter asap

[@sauravchhabra840]

Their g299 and b247 are actually fairly good value for money but those slow ram sticks and bad PSUs look awful

[@PabzRoz]

I was literally about to comment this. I was at my local MC today to pick up the free 240gb SSD's their giving away and looked through their prebuilt section. It was actually really good... All PC's were clearly built by someone who knows what they're doing with all off the shelf components. They even had a pre built with a 5900x, EVGA rtx 3070, Tuf x570 board, 32gb of ram, 2tb nvme, and a 240mm aio for $2200.... Adding all that up with the rest of the components at their given "msrp's" you're paying a premium of $300 bucks give or take. In todays market for a competently built pre built gaming PC that's an absolute steal. Not to mention you get a 1 year warranty on the entire PC including labor and components. I honestly couldn't imagine a world where I didn't live 10 minutes away from a microcenter lol.

[@instantstupor]

@OwOmen Isn't GN in NC? If so, there are definitely MicroCenters on their continent lol

[@xmetax]

8:37 "... spending more on it. Speaking of mor-on..." lmao

[@chiquilloneal]

Sounds like they took your advice to heart. They dropped the liquid cooler from their "Good" tier and replaced the GPU with a 2060. Unfortunately the GPU's market value is over $600. I didn't actually buy from them but was strongly considering it since I have a working 2080 so it's actually great that you can build the PC without a GPU and their website even prompts you with a question "what GPU will you be installing?" This tells me they're mindful of the fact that they will have the correct PSU leads for whatever GPU you decide to install when it arrives. Overall, this could save people a ton of money, especially someone who doesn't want to build a PC from scratch. That being said, I ultimately built my computer from the ground up as I found some really good deals on a 12th gen i9 and corresponding mobo.

[@MattyH1992]

Plus building computers is fun! :)

[@Seb318]

@@MattyH1992 not really

[@binoby4612]

@@Seb318 you're lame then

[@nightmarezero8465]

@@binoby4612 not everyone wants to deal with cords, thermal paste and having to research which mother board fits what processor and also won't fry it or be throttled by said motherboard. Yeah there is build my PC websites you can use that make sure stuff is compatible. but in my experience of using them then looking into the motherboards and all the stupid little ports.... You will find most parts you got for it like ram ect won't even plug into it or has not enough slots for the performance you were wanting.

[@TheDiner50]

@@nightmarezero8465 I rather deal with cords thermal paste and pick the parts that are going to be good value and last. And most people should. If GN testing pre builds have shown anything it is that the people taking your money and doing the job is not really doing the job or research for you. Really if not for being bit by the hobby bug. building a PC is just easy. B550 (brand name here), Ryzen 5600, 32GB@3200 ram. And then a ritual to the devil for a GPU at MSRP later. Ow darn just slap that thing together and turn XMP on in BIOS. Get a good deal on a decently reviewed motherboard and PSU. Like job done. No need for thermal paste since it comes applied on the stock CPU cooler. No RGB no fancy stuff. Hardest part being getting the CPU and motherboard mounted. And I guess the pins for the power button is somewhat of a pain. Ram stick and GPU takes some force and yea stock CPU cooler is a pain. But I rather do that then whatever GN pre builds have shown us. Even laptops makes more sense then pre builds. Sorry just how it is.

[@SeraStaplz]

What I like about this one is that there's actually a lot of good room for upgrading, even compared to the other SI systems. The case and power supply could last you into an entirely new build in 4-5 years, or you could spread the cost out over time to upgrade one part at a time. The CPU cooler can also be kept into a new build(s) as long as you have the right mounting hardware. You won't have to buy another fan unless 3 of them break. No such thing as good value right now, but this wouldn't be a bad start if you wanted to learn to DIY into your future.

[@wavytoad9983]

"no such thing as good value"... That mindset is wrong. There is good value everywhere. $650 can get you a decent gaming experience with a Ryzen 5600 and Radeon 6600, motherboard, psu, case, ram, ssd and all (what i just listed would out perform this Build from Redux PC in games) It's just not going to be the BEST experience you could get.

[@Juanni]

@@courtykatyeah, first reply left out the “right now” part of the original comment

[@rougenaxela]

So, I suppose the summary is... "Sufficiently competent assembly, component costs not too far from to retail, questionable component selection that kills the value."

[@Slaking_]

It's kinda sad, really. Had they actually used better components they could very well make a good and competent mid or high-end prebuild, something that the prebuilt market has a big shortage of.

[@alouisschafer7212]

so its like 75% alright but they just had to ruin it

[@alouisschafer7212]

@@Slaking_ Even medium to high end prebuilds are thrown together with little care. Its an epidemic. If it was easier to do so id open up a computer shop and offer properly build computers to people with custom specs and all the things a computer needs to not be dogshit.

[@Lebon19]

Nailed it.

[@breakthecode4634]

Not really. Mine runs great

[@Shizzmoney74]

Redux should use the line "It's not E-waste" - Steve Burke, Gamers Nexus as a marketing line lol

[@boden_staendig]

GTA radio-ad level of marketing.

[@frodolaggins6868]

But did Steve Burke actually say that? I thought that was Beve Sturke reviewing this, he did buy one after all.

[@SuperQBoi]

Or we're not better than Dell because we got dominated by them in the tests.

[@dallin9731]

For 1300 bucks I've seen some decent looking prebuilts with 3060s for around the same price on Newegg. Only having a 1650 in this is disappointing for how much it costs.

[@randybobandy9828]

Decent? No but there are lik 3 prebuilds that had a 3060 for $1300

[@thousandyoung]

The 3060 is almost the whole PC price over here.

[@silure9502]

Friend got a 3070 prebuilt for 1300 in germany. Got my FE for 499, and i placed it in a 800e system.. i feel bad for people buying that kind of prebuilt.

[@MrEvans1]

@@silure9502 what website?

[@gmdking]

Spend 100-200$ more and you get a OMEN 25L with a 3060.

[@alankiesewetter8427]

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[@JayzBeerz]

Jayztwocents praises them. His channel is really going down hill.

[@autarchprinceps]

A LOT of people I know start their journey into PCs and gaming with Acer. They often have what at least seem to be the most price effective option. Would love to see one of theirs disected by you guys in this series, to see whether they actually know what they are doing, or pull of the same crap Dell & HP did.

[@akza0729]

It's same as others. They buy the same type of board with Custom branding so they can reduce labour costs for assembling. Most OEMs does this because it's cheaper.

[@autarchprinceps]

@@akza0729 As we‘ve seen in this series, it is almost a good thing if it is just that simple. Proprietary boards, PSUs, cable layouts, front IO and even cooling mounts. Incompetent parts combination or assembly.

[@rasmusvedel]

Dawid Does Tech Stuff had quite a few videos on prebuilds, including Acer. In short; it ain't good

[@mikem9536]

@@rasmusvedel Love my Acer Gaming PC. It's one the best prebuilt's.

[@mikem9536]

No prebuilt is going to give you a the flexibilty of building your own, but when you can save 500 bucks off a GPU, it becomes something to consider.

[@tk72231968]

This would be a decent pre-built if it was at a sub-$800 price. It has really good upgrade potential at least.

[@DailyCorvid]

EXACTLY I just said this, competing products at that price point have better specs, this ones lagging.

[@MasouShizuka]

Agreed, the asking price is ehh, i can find or build better.

[@cherrypepsi2815]

@@DailyCorvid $1300 is an R7 7700X, 32gb ddr5, a 6750xt, and a really good watercooler and PSU. They're trying to punch in a price range that they dont fit in lmao

[@TheJoel0096]

As of October 22, the "Good" build now has a Ryzen 5 5600x w/ a B550 motherboard, the AIO was dropped for a Hyper 212 air cooler and the GPU was downgraded back to a GTX 1650.

[@digitalis2977]

So an actual passable machine with a needed GPU upgrade...

[@tomunterwegs1206]

a 5600x paired with a gtx 1650 💩

[@totallynotbluu]

Didn't it already have a 1650 though?

[@nghaocher2612]

@@totallynotbluu at 25:42 it is stated at the time of recording redux is offering a 1660

[@nyanpasu64]

At least it's not a GT 730... It doesn't even support Wayland GBM.

[@billsmith3309]

it's bin a little while since you did this review. That said, I purchased a higher tier Redux PC in the beginning of the year. I purchased it with an R7 3700 CPU and a RTX 3070 graphics card. At the time, I did the math and I felt that the Redux price was reasonable compared to the available parts at the time. I did not want to buy a prebuilt, but given the GPU availability at the time it seemed like a decent choice. That said, I agree with your assessment that the PC that you purchased was not exactly the right choice for the parts specified. Given that I have the same exact case, with the same exact cooling solution. I would love it if you purchased a higher performance PC from Redux and did a new review. just to see how it compares. Another thing I did different was I did not have them install the OS, since you can purchase Windows 10 & 11 for much cheaper after market. I do love your reviews. Please keep up the good work!

[@BunzJackson]

Yeah, I was just checking out their customization options out of curiosity, and I really like that you can just skip the OS altogether. The more things you can not pay them for and get elsewhere the better I guess.

[@bajafishtaco]

How much was yours ? Sounds good but the cpu is a little old lol . But at least you got the 3070.

[@richardernest2183]

I basically just posted the same thing lol.

[@Soulsworth69]

I got the highest tier one of thiers with a 3080ti and feel like what I paid was reasonable. And they also shipped it ahead of the predicted date. And overall did an amazing job. I'd say they're one of the better places to get a pre/custom built. I know how to build PC's but wanted to try an alternative this time cause I was feeling especially lazy [and this is one of the easiest ways to currently get a 30 series GPU].

[@regisrumpf6658]

@@Soulsworth69 good to know. I just ordered the i7 with 3080ti. How long did yours take to come in?

[@walkthebrokenpath0]

I purchased from build redux ended up with an asus dual 3070 32gb ram i7-10700k on a Z490-A Pro 1TB NVMe M.2 and 2TB HDD all with a 850 watt power supply was told to look out for those in prebuilts. Extras were wifi card and windows 10 before shipping it was 1989$ after it was 2038.28$ this was back in January. Putting together my own piece by piece at the time seemed to be around the same price or higher without the availability nothing was in stock and if it was in stock components were eclipsing retail. The same build from redux right now is nearly 300$ higher before shipping then mine was. No issues thus far about to update the ssd and hdd. Not bad for my 1st pc.

[@trainboy555]

Man I get the value is shit, but there's just *no way* to find parts at a decent price. I'll take good cable management and no bloatware over any of the standard OEM crap any day. I'm not trying to justify my $2700 3080 Redux build I bought 3 weeks ago, nosireebob...

[@GamersNexus]

There is a way to find parts for a decent price: It's from other prebuilts.

[@trainboy555]

@@GamersNexus I must have missed it during my search, man. All the major ones I checked out like cyberpower, ibuypower and the like all had prices that were higher (or similar) than build Redux for the same components. That plus the fact that A: Redux has good build quality and zero bloat and B: I refuse to give Ebay scalpers a penny because screw them and their behavior made Redux the best choice I could find. Ah well, downside of a shitty market I suppose...

[@DillonHockett]

9:38 I love how much these channels poke fun at eachother.

[@thatsgottahurt]

I want to see a review of a system built by you that is what you would consider the best hardware combo for price-to-performance, mid-range, and absolute best gaming performance. More or less put what you feel is best out of each part and combine that into a perfect GN PreBuilt. GamersNexus Ultra Gaming X Super RGB eSports Triple+ OC Edition

[@rbaile508]

Looking at their site, they offer builds with 3070s and 3080 Ti’s that are well below scalper levels so I am actually really impressed. The 3080 Ti they are charging $1350 for and you can’t get one for MSRP at that price unless its a FE version so that’s actually really good.

[@BuildingDR]

i keep getting this youtube ad of linus spending all his money on some prebuilt pc, and its not even an ad for the pc lmao

[@haydenw8691]

To be fair, most of Linus Tech Tips videos are pretty much ads disguised as reviews.

[@rentzusuken]

@@haydenw8691 People still watch that clown?

[@Darkest_matter]

@@rentzusuken it's informative

[@Psyopcyclops]

@@rentzusuken Clearly they do. Fun fact: KZbin actually puts numbers beneath the video to see exactly how many people do watch him.

[@bradleycope120]

@@rentzusuken atleast clowns are funny

[@ColonelNuggz]

I live for the backhanded comments in your commentary

[@vicapple6663]

I checked out their site and they will not stop bombarding me with ads since. Glad you made this video, maybe eventually they'll get the hint that I'm not interested?

[@gambo-ree2734]

Sticky tape is a fine way to secure something, ask Linus, steve was just looking for bad build quality things to talk about haha. As cooler master supplies all of the "expensive" hardware complained about.

[@turtlesrawesum]

Hey that's me at 3:37! Glad to see this review come out. It certainly sucks to hear the poor price to performance, but at least it's built well and has the prestigious "It's Not E-waste" Award. Thanks again so much for listening to the community and helping everyone make an educated decision on pre-builts. Keep on doing fantastic work!

[@SuperTsogo]

How's your friend's build?

[@Inzane8]

@@SuperTsogo I hve a redux pc with 3070 and 3800x. Runs perfectly, absolutely fuckign love it. Zero issues

[@theplayerofus319]

@@Inzane8 price?

[@Inzane8]

@@theplayerofus319 I got it for about $1800 back right around launch of the 3070. It’s probably more expensive now

[@theplayerofus319]

@@Inzane8 damn 1800 for a 3070 ... i hate the pricing these days

[@TheXimena711]

I need to sleep and then I see an upload. I guess I can buy an energy drink in the morning

[@FleaOnMyWiener]

A healthy sleep schedule feels so good though

[@ClonesDream]

@@FleaOnMyWiener A healthy, long sleep + energy drincc is godlike

[@ajthelwell6357]

Always happy to see "Beve Sturke" in a video!

[@Canuckrz]

One thing I really don't get is why builders keep putting micro atx sized everything into a mid tower case, instead of something more appropriately sized for the components. The inside of this thing has an insane amount of pointless space. Is it legitimately just that the kind of people buying these things associate a larger case with it being a better computer?

[@Vasharan]

There's a shortage of good MicroATX cases on the market, and mATX boards are cheaper as well as faster to install (fewer screws). For a physical retailer, I can see customers thinking 'bigger is better', but its a lot harder to estimate the size of a case when shopping online, so I don't think online retailers like ABS, Cyberpower, or Redux are trying to push that misconception.

[@Marrrrtin]

I'm pretty sure it's just a cost-cutting/margin-maximising thing. They _could_ put an ATX mobo in, but mATX mobos are usually cheaper.

[@b4ttlemast0r]

It's 1400$ now but they replaced the 10400f with a 12400f and the 1650 with a 3060 which is probably a pretty big improvement, and it looks like they're no longer using a liquid cooler for this one. Maybe you could review the new version again?

[@nhaskins]

On the high end it's more affordable than most prebuilds. My friend just got one with a 5800x and 3080 it was about 400 less than other prebuilds.

[@Nathan-te7qr]

yep, you can get a 3060 TI and 5600x for ~1.5k?

[@Rspsand07]

@@Nathan-te7qr oof, I've seen that for significantly less in Canadian.

[@PattyIce865]

@@Rspsand07 can you buy it in Canada then ship it to me pls ty

[@ij6708]

@@PattyIce865 you'd lose the difference in import fees. Probably

[@PattyIce865]

@@ij6708 OH NOOOOO, government taxes and import duties! My sole weakness!

[@falcie7743]

I'd rather have overkill cooling like this over a load bearing cpu cooler.

[@spectraleggings]

"load bearing" what does that even mean

[@simplysaphi]

@@spectraleggings watch dell prebuilts videos from GN to learn. this term is so insane you think guys talking crap hahaha. but yeah, watch dell stuff, it's... it's a sight to behold for sure

[@NerdlySquared]

Just don’t forget to connect mouse and keyboard to the P.

[@StaticVapour590]

@@NerdlySquared P what?

[@spectraleggings]

@@simplysaphi you really just coulda told me :D No srsly I've looked it up, found nothing. It's a made-up term and I'm sure it means something and I know Dell messed up with their prebuilds, I've watched the video as well as the Alienware one. I just couldn't figure this out, enlighten me, please.

[@pdahandyman]

Our daughter bought one in March and showed it finally up in July. We also contacted them, and contacted them, again and again. We were told that it would be shipping soon each time, but it came when it came. The motherboard wasn't installed correctly, and the backplate was smashed in. We're not sure what else was incorrectly "assembled", if you can call it that. She opted to just keep it as is after considering all of the time and effort it would take to ship it back in for service it should not have needed. Not going to buy another pre-built and will just figure it out myself. Feh.

[@reigoemon2229]

Well good luck on finding a graphics card for a gaming pc. Either spend too much or pray that a good deal will come out or win the Newegg shuffle.

[@silure9502]

@@reigoemon2229 Or get a FE drop for msrp that lasts a few minutes.. Got my 3070 fe for 499 in germany and it lasted 40m

[@supervillain3213]

@@reigoemon2229 even new egg shuffle is a rip off... MSI 3080s for $1100? For a card that was originally $750 and is now maybe $8-900. It's not as bad as ebay, but even new egg is taking advantage of "market conditions" and making sure they get their money.

[@volvo09]

@Taistelu_pelto if i could guess it possibly wasn't "clipped in" all the way, or maybe it was, and it got pushed out inbetween the back of the case and the motherboard, leaving it flopping around and only held in by the ports. Not a major issue, but not something you want to see on something you paid money for to be done right. The motherboard? I'd be curious as well, but if i could guess there they didn't use many standoffs, since that takes time and effort.

[@ij6708]

@@supervillain3213Since Newegg was taken over by that chinese company any shred of integrity left was thrown out the window. Newegg is selling cards at scalper prices on eBay under their own name in Canada

[@eveangreen1871]

"We are willing to try anything once." famous last words

[@DanAtkinson918]

Liquid coolers will sell a mediocre system. It is aesthetically pleasing and cool for some kid or first time buyer. I went through that phase about 9 years ago. So it makes sense I guess. Meh...

[@kaptain1477]

Build redux sent me a prebuilt with ram without a heat spreader like it promised in the description and also they gave me a different motherboard that I paid for way back in the begining of the year they actually showed you what parts was put in your PC. So they replaced a motherboard with a cheaper one and didn't warn me or refunded me the difference. I told them about it in a email and they wouldnt do anything. The prebuilt from Dell gave me better ram stick than Build redux which is sad.

[@ClonesDream]

Just pay a buddy to build your computer at this point.

[@kaptain1477]

@@ClonesDream The ram doesn't even have fucking XMP profile as well I got shitty crucial ram which I paid more to get the 32GB which sucks.

[@sloth7d526]

@@kaptain1477 i would've opted to just build it myself or maybe if you're lucky have a friend who knows how to build it, lots of companies really don't care about their customers and are really looking for that profit

[@kaptain1477]

@@sloth7d526 I know how to build but we don't have gpus so the only way was buying pre builts I could easily make my own but don't want to buy gpus at scalper prices

[@sloth7d526]

@@kaptain1477 oh true true, I can't imagine how annoying it is trying to build a PC during these times with prices so high, it's crazy

[@BigBear--]

Hold up…don’t SI’s get their components (including GPU’s) directly from manufacturers and board partners? So why would the 1650 cost them $300+? That’s the scalped price, unless manufacturers are now also price gauging and charging SI’s scalped pricing…If they’re not however that means REDUX just charged u $300+ for a $140-150 GPU.

[@turrican4d599]

THIS!

[@mightywoll3]

Yesnt, depends on the size, Igors lab had an article about how hardware "brokers" are gouging smaller business.

[@GamersNexus]

No, they normally buy from distributors and suppliers. We have no way of knowing which party is gouging.

[@SaveTheSunF1R3x]

Smaller SI here, price is accurate. Distributors cost more than list price due to bundling. A lot goes into it but GN has explained it to death at this point. That's all the info i can really give.

[@oOWaschBaerOo]

the reason for the liquid cooler and push pull, is that all higher tiers propably use the exact same setup, and its easier and more consistent if the people building it, have to build the same configuration every time, and not mix between this one has this cooler this one has another one of the 3 million coolers etc

[@kano4282]

New sub. Your channel is no bs, non fan boy, raw information for people like me to cut through the crap and make real decisions on what's best for what I (we) find important. Love the content. I've been binge watching and soaking it up like a sponge. Just scored an autographed tear down kit to christen my very first build, and I'm damn excited about it. Thank you for all your hard work. 🤘

[@Asymmetrical-Saggin]

You, Linus and Jay are literally the only 3 tech channels i watch and can take serious. I have had a total of 3 digitalstorm systems and have never had any issue yet. customer service is prompt and very helpful if needed.

[@T.Lspitz]

Byte Size Tech / Tech Deals is another straight forward channel that will have alot of good information at times. They might not be as entertaining but they certainly have the knowledge and experience when it comes to pc building.

[@grooty709]

yeah idk about linus anymore lol

[@VocaloidShitposts]

steve wtf it's midnight

[@GamersNexus]

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

[@user-pj6oc5gy2q]

timezones aren't real

[@HecticTrainGuy]

The big Stevebowski

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

imagine a world with timezones :0

[@PhDFlopping]

Doesn’t JayzTwoCents promote them? Lmao

[@JCrook1028]

Not that I've seen.

[@HH-le1vi]

He'll be shitting himself when he sees this

[@TheStraightGod]

I don't watch the guy but it's crazy how everytime I hear about him it's about shit he's done or said wrong.

[@alexmills1329]

I think he is in support of the nzxt prebuilts, but I really don’t keep up with him much

[@Ilregard]

Yeah, that's the first channel I saw adverts for this SI. Kinda laughing at this turn of development, right now lol

[@nytemare3421]

I bought the “Best” tier pc from Redux, still waiting for it to come in. I got a R7 5800x, RTX 3070 (paid $789 for it), 850W PSU. Not sure exactly which motherboard I’m getting, same thing with the RAM (I know its 3200mhz I just wish they shared what brand I’d be getting) and PSU. I guess I’ll update this comment whenever I get it.

[@theone1480]

I ordered mine 2.5 weeks ago. UPS tracking shows it will be here Wed. I9 3080ti, so excited

[@SidebandSamurai]

@5:51-5:56 - Great shirt change! real quick

[@cutthroat795]

I dislike these companies that spend massive amounts on advertising. How are they funding it? By over charging YOU. So they end up being subpar products to be competitively priced or just more expensive for no benefit.

[@SrgtWookieD]

I'm pretty excited about being in the video @3:43 however I've been having a lot of issues regarding my PC. First off I don't have the correct parts. I've received horrible customer service. So much so the original employee supposedly handling my support ticket actually doesn't work for them but.

[@GamersNexus]

Thanks for your early comment!

[@SrgtWookieD]

@@GamersNexus you guys can review my PC if you want lol. I hat to remove obstructions from every single I/0 port aka the I/0 shield wasn't installed correctly. Had to cut metal to use my PC.

[@madmax2069]

@@SrgtWookieD oof

[@SrgtWookieD]

@@GamersNexus i'm really having a horrible time with these guys. Could you please help? my motherboard is defective im 6 months into trying to get a replacement. they lie non stop i'll send yall the emails and screenshots, these guys are shady. im expected to pay another $200 for a replacement board, also it doesn't even have the parts my order says. please help a pc gamer get back to gaming

[@srquack27]

so basically, find redux build with not questionable specs and you'll have a good prebuilt

[@Figgishful]

And you absolutely have options in customization the parts. Its like steve bought the shittiest version if only to find thing to complain about

[@lw8882]

My guess is part of the deal with coolermaster was "you have to bundle our cooler with it"

[@FloodExterminator]

They could have used Hyper 212s in that case xD

[@gerbodis]

Ive watched so many of these that I actually am starting to root for them to do good in anyway, i shed a tiny fraction of a microscopic joyful tear when they had good support

[@raxcentalruthenta1456]

Yeah. Telling my boyfriend to buy from Redux based upon their sponsor on LTT is one of the biggest mistakes I made in regards to blind trust of LTT

[@bricktronics]

I have a customer that is going thru a nightmare experience with them. I am sorry to hear you are having issues as well.

[@SeeTheWholeTruth]

Honestly.. they should pay you in some form, because you gave them a straight list of what is needed. Any idiot that doesnt see that in manhours, and nonbiased or fearful genuine attention, shouldnt be running the department in charge of sourcing or designing. Its literally laid out for them. Thanks for all of the buyers now seeing the genuine outcomes.

[@ssl3546]

they're selling as many as they can make, why would they change anything? the cooler is a good place to pad the margins, they're not paying MSRP for a lot of the parts -- the cooler is definitely a place they are not paying MSRP.

[@EikoandMog]

Oh hey, that's my case with their branding. Actually got it as the 2020's Best Case Awards honorable mention because the P500A wasn't available at the time.

[@JuraIbis]

Connect the keyboard and mouse to the P should be some sort of T-Shirt or something.

[@OnTheRocks71]

Messing around on their site, it recommended me a "Good" system for $1370, but swapped the AIO for an air cooler and 1650 for a 1660. That seems like a much more reasonable configuration, but still not a screaming deal. :/ I hate these GPU prices. It is like a never ending nightmare I can't wake up from.

[@mj99875]

The build quality is actually very good. The sticker for the hub, it's lightweight so the tape should hold for an eternity. The IHS, there was enough contact overall and the corner of the IHS isn't the Hotspot either so that's pretty good when you consider it wasn't over applied or under. GTX1650 and price value proposition is disappointing but still It's one of the best pre-built pc I've seen on KZbin.

[@DailyCorvid]

Not so impressed myself, 1650 is garbage for the price I expected a lot better. This things so under-specced it would be a huge downgrade from my 3yr old lounge PC. The cheeky gits only put an i5 and a 1650 in here yet they are chargin over a $1000! No way man this things a waste of money plus it won't actually game well, the performance is savage level bad. I am surprised people bigging this up, I would be VERY disappointed to have spent $1300 and got this hunk of crap. Fierce do a similar one that costs $875 comes with a 1660S and R5. How are they justifying $450 extra when the specs actually LOWER than the Fierce machine? Lol this company is a rip-off they suck!

[@narc440]

Disappointing for having a 1650 in a $1250 prebuilt is an understatement...

[@DustyhatTrick]

I hope GN puts out the pure loop review soon... I'm waiting for that to decide on an AIO

[@GamersNexus]

I don't think we've promised a pure loop review anytime recently.

[@fredocuomo5386]

just get an arctic aio, theyre among the best

[@DustyhatTrick]

@@GamersNexus :O I guess I'm going crazy, I thought i heard you mention recently that you were. my bad!

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

@@GamersNexus wasn't the EK one also good? and, what is a "pure loop", never heard the name before, is that some aliexpress brand like Topow or spark-o-matic? drrp, hit reply to the wrong comment, oh well, lol.

[@tristanyt319]

@@Zarcondeegrissom It's a Be Quiet AIO

[@Zanithos]

I still really wanna see a Corsair Vengeance PC get roasted by Steve. I've bought one and got a friend to buy another one based on my experience, and aside from the price everything was pretty great in both cases.

[@josephfernandez8015]

Even if this computer was built well, that's a really shit system for $1350. I got a 9600KF with a 1660 Super nearly 2 years ago for less then $1k.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

think! was that before or after the crypto/chip shortage....

[@wesss9353]

Before the inflation Before the chip shortage I remember the good times

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

@@wesss9353 yeah back in the 60s you could buy so much for a 1$...

[@wesss9353]

@@Takashita_Sukakoki Tandy 1000 sx! Oh yeah!

[@josephfernandez8015]

@@Takashita_Sukakoki I know I was just saying. PC gaming is fucked if something isn’t done soon (like crypto mining limiters on video cards)

[@skellentor]

$1400!!??? Just built a 6600xt w/ 6800x system for literally half that. LoL

[@Azeal]

the entire market is such a clusterf*ck right now, I feel bad for all the people who might have already been into PC gaming by now had there actually been options for them :/

[@SogenOkami]

You know, I agree the money spent on cooling probably could've been spent on a better GPU, but at the same time, at least the capability is there to upgrade to something better without overhauling the cooling solution. I mean, it's at least not malicious.

[@rneth744]

In April I bought one of these and it showed up without a GPU in it. I ordered a 3060 ti. I was told by their customer service that several people had the same problem. I'll never buy prebuilt again lol

[@44R0Ndin]

Did the box look like it had been tampered with? Wouldn't surprise me to hear that people are poaching GPUs from the system builders that way these days. And yes, I'm aware that tampering with goods in shipping is probably at least a felony in the US, the hard part is catching them doing it.

[@budthecyborg4575]

This looks to me like an ideal system for a quick GPU swap. "Too much cooling" means the system was designed for a bigger GPU, they probably just can't get the correct GPU right now.

[@budthecyborg4575]

@Cancer McAids I put an Arctic 420 on a 5600X just to run the fans slower. The AIO just means you can run the CPU effectively silent, an excessive number of fans means there's room for a much larger GPU, and the case and PSU can obviously take it.

[@Mavendow]

@Cancer McAids Takes heat away from the area where the GPU will be venting. It does have case fans, so...

[@Mavendow]

@Cancer McAids The whole point of any exhaust system is to vent hot air. Venting it into the case will fill the case with hot air from the CPU thus making your rad little more than an expensive air cooler, as it now relies on the case fans. If the rad is flipped, you get only the GPU heat inside the case rather than GPU+CPU. So in either case the CPU gets the same heat but in the latter case the CPU's heat is pumped outside and does not affect the GPU. Real talk here, are you making a PC or an oven?

[@Mavendow]

​@Cancer McAids Computer components output a FIXED amount of heat based on their wattage. The only situation where it matters having the colder air directly on the rad is when your CPU would throttle. So, when you're OCing a high watt chip, not 65w. Flip it around, don't pump hot air into the case, internal temps drop. Why do you keep making walls of text insisting the rad is useless when it's obvious you don't understand?

[@DBR-KPA]

The cooling system is overbuilt because its the same for every CPU/GPU option. It IS overkill for a gtx 1650, but for an rtx 3080 and a 10700K its more reasonable.

[@Da_padilla]

I built a pc with 7600x, 3070ti and the price was about the same lmao

[@Decembersbreath]

You need to take a break from these pre-builts Steve. It's making you unreasonably pedantic.

[@StargazingCeres]

Even though I have all those tools separately in some form, I still bought the GN kit and use it regularly. They're great quality and it's nice having them all in one place with the same handles. (they didn't pay me to say this, just thought I'd chime in if anyone was on the fence about it)

[@KingJreff]

I'll just throw my opinion out there for the fan controller, but I mounted mine with VHB, no problems after years of use. Screws make sense for some components, fan/rgb/whatever controller I think get a pass in that regard.

[@44R0Ndin]

I'd probably use Velcro or something like that to mount my controllers, that way it's a lot easier to swap them over to a new case if I ever have that need.

[@DopeBuildsGaming]

Did anyone catch the upgraded psu? Specs said 600w in the beginning of this vid and they actually sent a 700w psu. Nice little upgrade imho. Steve was this oversight an Easter egg? Did I win a free tool kit for catching it? Lol, kidding man. Good review dude.

[@mockier]

Looks competently built and not designed to screw the customer. So that is better than some of the others. Also likely to be upgradable in future, with a good case, and large PSU (If that PSU is good). Loose the water cooling and add a better GPU and it would make sense. It would be interesting to see how their higher end PCs fare given the overkill cooling and case selection here.

[@proesterchen]

Frankly, with the fluctuations in GPU pricing, the whole benchmarking and performance per dollar segment seems redundant unless prices are updated for all listed PCs to reflect pricing at a common point in time.

[@CosmicGravy]

I agree, the prices should be updated to match the price at the time the video was made. I can't find the Dell G5 5000 selling at $900 anywhere.

[@JoeyMarshall]

You either do that OR do what they do which is go by RRP... It's not the fault of the reviewer if people are scalping and the "hope" is that prices would go back to some level or normalcy at some point and the numbers will be just as valid as they ever were. Shit is shit, regardless of how much money you spend on said shit.

[@ShotGunner5609]

I recently purchased one of their "best" configurations. I did so because i did not want to pay 1900 or more for a 3080. It was about 1100 for the card, not great but i didn't want to have to search endlessly for a card at or near msrp. I would have prefered to build it all myself, but again didn't wanna wait and hope for a more reasonably-priced card. With shipping and tax i paid $2830 i believe. Intel 10700k, 1tb gen 3 m.2 ssd and 2 tb of hard drive space, 32 gigs of 3200 mghz ram. Honestly im pretty happy with the purchase. Everything was as cleanly assembled as in the pc in this video. No damage at all from shipping, everything was connected and in place when i opened it up to inspect everything. Booted up first try with no issues, only a few drivers needed to be updated. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. Took about 16 days to ship. 3 days to arrive, and i had honestly expected it to take 6 weeks based on reviews from earlier in the year.

[@drunkenfox2519]

This is the exact boat I’m in .Out of all the pre built companies this is looking like a pretty reasonable option.

[@TheZjensen]

How’s it holding up for you? You are the exact situation I am in. Just can’t try and wait out this market anymore

[@ShotGunner5609]

@@TheZjensen is been just fine. But man does my 3080 get hot. I'm probably gonna train up for an open air case and water cooling in the next few months. I just want these components to last.

[@DragonfireRC]

It may be a bit overkill on the cooling. However, it makes it easier to upgrade the CPU and GPU later when prices come down. You would not have to change the cooling setup. There is definitely some value to that in my opinion. It is nice to see all standard components, and that it was competently built. Also a good looking system aesthetically. Prices have been going up quite a bit lately, I can't wait for the prices to start stabilizing to see what the new normal is going to be like. Great video as always, thank you!

[@aerosw1ft]

But looking at that cheapo b560 board? Nah i don't think so. Even if the AIO is for "future proofing" the motherboard itself doesn't look to be able to handle a high end CPU that leverages the AIO.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

​@@aerosw1ft But you still don't need to buy a new cooler.

[@junrenong8576]

Tbh if you living in somewhere that has summer all year long, get a liquid cooler if money allowed. I have a 10700 (non K), and with the stock cooler, under normal 60W load it was at like 90 ish degree celsius, then I switched to cooler master 212 evo (air cooled) and with power limit disabled it still clocked 100 degree C and thermal throttled, with TDP of 120W. Have to reduce the PL1/2 to 100W just to get below 90 degree C.

[@MrJaceleigh]

I love how you put Linus in talking about GN, and the AIO orientation. I built my daughter a Ryzen 7 7700x on a asus prime x670 mobo 32 gbs of ddr5 ram 6k mhs, using an Nzxt Kraken AIO for the cpu. It ran hot having the hoses at the top . I turned the rad upside down with the hoses at the bottom and it runs about 30degrees cooler!

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

Tape is a staple of quality, especially if they used the real 3M stuff. I'm currently building a case out of premier painter's tape maybe I should go with duct tape for thermal properties?

[@MrChomiq]

The free "upgrade" of the motherboard might actually end up causing issues for the owner in case of RMA. Invoice says B460, inside is B560 "well obviously you have changed the hardware configuration".

[@Vaxtin]

KZbin ads are decent entertainment. I'm not clicking a random ad for "50% off, i'll just manually search deals on my own.

[@kgonepostl]

Me: "What can I get for $1.3k?" Industry: "Well, I got this shiny turd over here."

[@woogiewoogie0012]

21:38 “We’re willing to try anything once.” I lost it laughing

[@MasterDk78]

wow, okay. thank you for the awesome review !!

[@AwSomeNESSS]

Feels like it's following in Origin's footsteps of offering premium services at a massive cost to performance.

[@nickllama5296]

Thanks for testing one of their PCs, Steve & crew! I've been debating about buying one (solely to get a graphics card).

[@KaptenInsano]

I'm sitting here with a fully built PC but man I love these reviews, for the investigative purposes on wether it's good or not. But I love specs and building/ breakdowns and helping the new guy pick out something decent.

[@danielarchuleta8476]

I bought one of these recently, they definitely watched this video. The prices are better and you can select a price tier and edit the parts you want to spend money on the parts you want

[@tommythorn]

What was the point of this video? The poor component selection was known before you gave them the money. It would have been far more interesting to see a review of a (likely more expensive) build that you didn’t expect to suck just based on the specs.

[@ivgotballsofsteel4048]

Me with a Ryzen 3600 with a 360mm AIO With 6 fans on the radiator, don't underestimate me Steve. Why you might ask, well the AIO was on sale on Amazon for £68 and i had 3 front mounted case fans already.

[@HalfUnder]

A man of true fan culture I see. As I'm currently looking at my 5000d Airflow with 12 fans in it, including 6 on my AIO in push pull. If I'm gonna go for cooling, I'm going to go for overkill.

[@omegaPhix]

My 3600X is in a custom loop (CPU only) xD

[@DBR-KPA]

7:54 I ordered the highest tier redux PC and got unbranded green DIMMs. Actual components can vary greatly between two redux systems, especially for the less noteworthy parts like RAM and motherboard

[@Samuel_Axaeon]

huh, I ordered the highest tier as well and have viper's so idk man.

[@blueghost1952]

The cooling isn't overkill for me personally. I like the Peace of mind that my PC is always going to stay nice and Chill no matter what I throw at it 👍

[@dennydravis8758]

But the lifespan of a liquid pump is much lower than a fan - you're actually more at risk that the pump will bind.

[@blueghost1952]

@@dennydravis8758 still will last a very, very long time and if you build your PC it's shouldn't be a problem ( plus it's quieter), especially with proper care. If your PC hot you Ain't playing shit.

[@danstenger1]

$1300 is the same as we charge for an RTX 2060 build. For a 1650, that's criminal.

[@SrgtWookieD]

i'm really having a horrible time with these guys. Could you please help? my motherboard is defective im 6 months into trying to get a replacement. they lie non stop i'll send yall the emails and screenshots, these guys are shady. im expected to pay another $200 for a replacement board, also it doesn't even have the parts my order says. please help a pc gamer get back to gaming

[@reallybigjohnson]

Finally, I have been holding off until you guys did a review. Thank you thank you thank you. LOL Holy shirt change edit...