youtube influencers failed to mention this

Every video that raves about 3M Xtract hasn't told you the full truth about the products performance.
A half truth is worse than a full lie. When woodworking KZbinrs discuss consumables and fail to mention the fundamental flaw of a particular product, there's something disingenuous about the message their pushing. These types of videos are essentially acting as telemarketers for a product that is "the best money can buy," but is it really?
To be clear, I DO NOT dispute the science behind Cubitron II, the enjoyability of the sanding process since switching to the material, or the sanding results themselves. I do, however, feel obligated to mention that there is an additional cost to using this product that needs to be brought to light.
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[@johnhupp8444]

Use a 3M Hookit interface pad ($4.50) and save your sander backing pad while keeping the great dust extraction.

[@DonStrenz]

Sorry, after 1.5 minutes without a clue what the 'fatal flaw' is, I quit watching and started reading here. So the 'fatal flaw' is that the velcro on the pads wears too fast? I've used inerface pads on my Mirka Ceros for 10yrs+ and never had to replace the sander pad. The only downside is that it makes it a little soft, which is not a big deal.

[@stepanterechshenko5435]

27 euro in amazon EU

[@mrwicccked]

$19.10 in April 2024

[@bobbray9666]

@@mrwicccked It's a lot cheaper on other sites, unless your browser can only display the Amazon website. Taylor Tools is $5.99 May 2024.

[@Realism91]

The interface pad comes free with some Diablo Sandnet ceramic mesh sandpaper packs, it's $1.35each Canadian and 3m 710w is 1.70each the Diablo was near the results of 3M in Katz latest huge test.

[@audiblek]

I went through 2 pads in a few months on my Bosch 5” sander before I realized I could get an interface pad. I bought a 2 pack of interface pads and haven’t touched the second one after 6+ months of use. I was just thinking about how weird it was that KZbinrs didn’t mention that today

[@philipspeicher889]

I’m just an amateur and I had never tried Cubitron II until just recently. I’ve been using Xtract almost exclusively for the past year, and it seems to me that the Cubitron II lasts a million times longer. I was always a bit underwhelmed at how long the Xtract lasts. It seems like the Xtract cuts well very briefly but then wears down super fast. The Cubitron II that I’ve tried so far seems to last forever.

[@BrainFizz]

As a tradesman who spends their days restoring sash windows and doors, dating back as far as the early 1700’s - I spend a Loooong time sanding…. Found your channel after you roasting KZbin woodworkers (totally on point BTW), I would point out that, in defence of 3M, both forms of abrasives should be used with an interface pad. Festool actually recommend and sell interface pads for all their sanders, as do Mirka…. What people forget is many of these KZbin woodworkers are putting these videos out - and this relates to most of their content and isn’t limited to abrasives - they’re putting the videos out for views, not out of concern or experience, especially experience! Just because a channel has large metric numbers, it doesnt mean they have either experience OR basic knowledge…… mostly they put the videos out for money. Viewers need to be wary of the hype in videos - they basically all follow a monthly fashion.

[@nicklaskallman280]

I have worked the last five years renovating Yachts. We also always used the intermediate pads, not 3m paper but something similar mesh style. Its the same where i work now with cabinetry.

[@briannelson4122]

I've only used Cubitron and have no intension of switching however, thanks for the "heads up" on the Extract, everyone sure is pushing it as the "must have" sanding solution. Nice to have a little perspective on it. Thanks!

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Glad to help

[@TosaNewsense]

Thanks for the heads up. As a new woodworker, I probably would've gotten to the part where I'm looking for recommendations on sanding papers, would have seen a few videos talking about its superioriity, mentioning dust extraction, and I would have gone for the Extract. I'll check out your 3M consumable rec when need arises. I truly appreciate youtubers who look out for the community. Thanks again

[@dougjudson2426]

I work at a University in the Carpentry programs. We will run nearly 350 students through annually so our orbitals get a lot of miles. Hard miles too as students are very green and break nearly everything. I repair tools year round and have found that not all hook and loop replacement pads for orbital sanders are equal. I would order replacement generic ones off amazon and they slipped off paper too easily. Switching back to the brand name parts for each sander, whether Makita, or Dewalt, using genuine parts made all the difference. A courser surface. As we go through hundreds of 5 inch sanding discs each year I am looking at options to get longevity. Having to get and convince students to use interface pads may be more hassle that it's worth. We are going to get some 3M discs and give them a trial at least and see where that takes us. Thanks for the info and heads up. ps. I found one of our sanders where a student actually glued the paper on!! lol 🤣

[@inlandwoodandresin]

You're spot on with the generic v. brand centered accessories. I've got a generic 6" interface pad and the extraction holes obviously don't align which reduces the extraction capabilities. I think if you give the 3M Cubitron II a shot, you'll find it a good product and worth every penny. That is until your students start gluing it to the sander

[@blt981]

The kid that glued it onto the pad is GOING PLACES HE MADE IT WO4K WITH NO DOWN TIME. TIME IS MONEY. LOOK AT THE PROBLEM LATER. HES A GOOD EMPLOYEE BAD ON EQUIPMENT. I DID THE SAME THING AND IN 67…..go easy on the newbie 5hink big pictur3 EMPLOYEER UNDER TIME CONSTRAINT….BOSS COULDNT FINISH PROJ3CT HAD A SAND PAPER STICKEY PROBLEM

[@MrKCWalker]

I am going to be the odd one out here. I love the extract and use it with the new extract sander. That sander is so smooth and cuts dead flat without an interface pad… And fast! The backup pads are $16 on Amazon for a 3M extract. I bought extras because it's worth it for me not to have the interface pad but, I haven't had to change it out yet (six months). With the stock hard pad, it sands so dead flat for me it's a dream. Using light pressure and not bearing down is the key for me. I also love the super flex hose for dust extraction it's a close feel to not having a hose on it. I realize it's not for everyone, but for me, it's a well-engineered system.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

The "system" portion of your comment is key. 3M sander + 3M disc = ideal setup. Glad you haven't had as many issues as other users.

[@pettigrewwoodworks]

Can you elaborate on the "super flex hose". Is that a 3M product? I love the sander and like others use an interface pad.

[@WoLpH]

Stumpy Nubs actually mentioned this kind of degradation in a video a couple of days ago and suggested getting an interface plate as well. I’m no professional at all so this is not an issue that will largely affect me, but is there any downside to getting interface plates regardless of the sanding paper?

[@inlandwoodandresin]

I've had issues with interface pads not gripping the backing pad (probably a result of the hooks being damaged) and/or the paper not sticking to the interface pad. I realize I'm talking about a $10 item, but when I need to continually add accessories to utilize a product, you just have to ask yourself if it's worth it

[@robk1310]

It will affect you after you've sanded X number of hours. If you are a hobbyist, it'll just take longer to affect you. Regardless of the type od paper or mesh you use, I firmly believe in using interface pads on ALL my sanders, regardless.

[@mangosmakemesmilee5164]

Do you think this could be an issue on sanding blocks for hand sanding as well, or is this issue mostly just about the paper on the orbital?

[@inlandwoodandresin]

I have a few spare discs of Xtract I keep specifically for detail sanding with blocks, dowels, etc. Admittedly, I'm not using blocks with hooks, so I can't speak to if using Xtract will dull those hooks over time. My assumption would be you wouldn't run into grip issues with a block simply because you have much greater control over pressure and the rate at which you sand.

[@paulheitkemper1559]

After watching a couple of your videos, I feel that unlike other KZbin woodworkers, you would respond well to some tough opinions, so here's goes. Two things. So what's the deal with the interface pad? You've got some right there. Did they help or not? That would've been useful to know for the complete picture. What we got was, "They told me to use an interface pad, and that pisses me off." And ultimately, it's an equation. The paper makes sanding more expensive by the number of backing pads and/or interface pads you have to buy. That's quantifiable with what you've already spent. So quantity it. It basically changes a rant into useful information- if the sanding is 5% or whatever more expensive, I can make a useful decision with that. Thanks for reading my counter-rant.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Fair assessment, and yeah, I can take the criticism (as long as it's respectful). At the time I made this video my backing pad was starting to lose grip again, so I didn't place the interface pad on. The thicker pad I show ilwas an experimental purchase to see if it would help with sanding profiles. Unless the sander is on full speed, that thicker pad doesn't really help. The standard interface pad, unless it's always on the sander, it gets buried in my sanding drawer, and I just forget to put it on. I appreciate the constructive criticism. If I gloss over something that's worth mentioning, I would hope through the comments a follow up video could get formulated. Last thing I want is to deliver a half truth or incomplete information and leave the viewer hanging

[@paulheitkemper1559]

@@inlandwoodandresin Wait, this is impossible. KZbin comments aren't the place for constructive dialog. It's supposed to be vitriol and name calling!

[@inlandwoodandresin]

@@paulheitkemper1559 that sounded slightly like sarcasm. When done properly, I HIGHLY encourage sarcasm. All joking aside, keep me honest, and I'll do my best to take it constructively

[@black_dragon-carpentry]

Actually with out wasting a huge amount of his personal time and energy to feed your need for special numbers and percentages .... He did a great job of showing that a there is a trade off and to mitigate the trade off you must drop enough extra effort for it to not be the perfect solution it is advertised as on KZbin. This is carpentry you just do it or you don't. In my shop we don't use mesh discs because well they aren't worth it in the long run. And that's pretty much the end of it. Ask the boss why not.... Cuz it ain't worth it. Ask the finisher why not ... Cuz it ain't worth it. Ask me .... Cuz it ain't worth buying new pads or stupid ass pad thingies that go on to wear out instead of the pad.... Cuz it ain't worth it.

[@paulheitkemper1559]

@@black_dragon-carpentry "worth it" implies you quantified something.

[@PianoBoy99]

I use an interface pad. Seems to work just fine. Eventually when the interface pad goes bad, I'll replace it for a few dollars.

[@naturaIIydifferent]

I use an interface pad and generic mesh sanding discs and have zero problems. If you put the disc straight on the Velcro, the heat and friction will destroy it. That's why Diablo mesh comes with felt interface pads but ones meant for the automotive industry work way better. I got a set of 4 on Amazon for $15. The generic mesh is 100 discs for $20. Head to head it's basically the same as 3m mesh.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

I've got two interface pads, and they're good insurance, regardless of disc type. Replacing backer pads sucks. My overall gripe is more so with the woodworking KZbin community putting out partial information and half truths to push products for affiliate and ad money, than with the performance of this particular product. Hopefully I got that message across, and if not, well I think I nailed it home with this response to your comment.

[@cpzmelbs]

Which is the issue, and the whole point of the video. Not to say you're claiming otherwise of course, just clarifying. Regarding the damage due to heat, I do wonder how some people don't have that same issue. Different sander types or sanding different surfaces maybe?

[@johnwaddell4479]

I recently switched to 3M Xtract Cubitron II net discs after using a set of Bosch mesh. I was surprised I didn’t get an interface pad with 3M as I thought the same issue you raised. I still use the Bosch thin interface pad with my Rotex 150 with 3M net discs. Now been using for just over 6 months on a part time professional basis and no issues. Still prefer the mesh pads over traditional discs. P.S. nice to see Spokane getting a mention!! And no, not related to Waddell Pub & Grill…😂

[@Realism91]

Diablo Sandnet gives you a thin interface pad included also. Readily available at HomeDepot and cheaper than 710w in Canada. Almost as good as 3m from Katz tests too.

[@woodcraft_cz]

Mesh pads (3M or not) = interface pad. Simple as that. After your first backing pad replacement I would of looked into the early degradation. The first time I considered/used mesh pads I did think this was a possibility and a quick google suggested the use of interface pads. Now the following varies from each individual user but for me, the small investment in an interface pad/auxiliary item for the additional benefits of the mesh style pads (3M user) with a greatly decreased risk in damage over time to the backing pad is more then acceptable, to take it even a step further, when ever I’m done with the sander I remove the mesh style pads and apply a regular thick paper pad as too further prevent degradation on the hook/Velcro on the backing pad. This is just my opinion and am only really adding it as a counter in hope to add a more balanced outlook on mesh/3M pads. I was surprised to see so many comments from viewers disappointed in having just invested in mesh pads as if they now are no longer of any benefit.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

The purpose behind the video wasn't necessarily to bash the product (b/c it does work quite well for a while). My issue was more so with numerous channels pushing a product without complete information simply because they got the product for free, were sponsored in some way, or were flat out inexperienced and didn't recognize the elephant in the room. Yes with a sub-$20 item, the product works reasonably well, but if you push a product with an agenda other than providing the whole truth, there's where I had the issue. Excellent tip on switching between mesh and traditional discs to keep the hooks alive

[@tremolobar]

Thanks for the heads up. I just started using it and I will add a backing pad saver.

[@EOTE_TX]

I have 3 things against the Cubitorn II sanding discs...#1) the cost of the discs has more than doubled in 2 years...#2) the discs edges bend and tear very quickly rendering the disc useless in short order. This happens most of the time when edge sanding. I don't have this problem with traditional hook and loop discs...#3) while the Cubitron discs work well, compared to silicone carbide they are no match...I can get 2 to 5 times more sanding done in the same time with a silicone carbide disc. For quick material removal a coarser grit of 40 or 60 is often necessary and Cubitron only comes in 80 grit or higher. I can get silicone carbide discs in grits from 36 to 8000 and the cost of the discs are about 19 cents versus cubitron at 85 cents each. Hmmm, longer life, significantly less cost, less disc degradation have all been factors on choosing not to use cubitron discs anymore.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

The cost is most certainly an issue. For us small shop workers, $1 a disc isn't terrible seeing how infrequently we'll use them up, but for professional shops, that $1 a disc can surely add up

[@nicklaskallman280]

I have always used mesh style paper but we also always had the intermediate pads. Its just what i am used to its not a big inconvenience for me.

[@bobcade1002]

Interesting observation. I bought the new 3M RO sander and started using the extract disks. That purchase reduced the time I spend sanding enormously. Here’s my question; In your opinion, does the cost of 2 or 3 backing pads per year, compared to the time saved sanding, offset? In my shop, time is money and this sanding combination has definitely improved my production time. By keeping an extra backing pad on hand, the down time is minimal. What has been your experience in this regard?

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Those are certainly a fair questions to explore. If I planned on continuing to use any kind of mesh disc, I'd most certainly have one or more spare backing pads on hand. Fortunately, I have a Woodcraft 15 mins from my shop, so in the event that I need a new one, it's a quick round trip. Since I released this video, I've dumped all my Xtract and gone back to Cubitron II. I'm a much happier camper.

[@m.d.d.3051]

Huh. Was about to drop some $$$ on these - just a 10 pack to start with after seeing the hype. Now, I'll think about it a bit longer. Interface pads don't necessarily scare me off, but as you said in a reply to someone else, I can see the interface pad getting lost in my sanding drawer as well. I had also seen some mention of the "flying sanding disc" problem in some of the reviews I've read on the product as well. So, I will say for a contrarian rant, I can at least anecdotally back up what you are saying. Oh, and contrarians are underrated IMO.

[@SavageVoyageur]

Home Depot has the 5” interference pads for the $5.47. Works for me.

[@dusbus2384]

Can you post a link? I can only find them on Amazon

[@robk1310]

I use an interface pad from SurfPrep that goes between the mesh and the sander's hook and loop. I just replace the interface pad and never melt my hook and loop on y 5" SurfPrep.

[@NWGR]

This, and the ripping when sanding near edges, are what pushed me away from trying the net discs. I do want to try the regular cubitron II though, but I have a lot of granat to go through first. Is the difference between those two noticeable? The cubitron II is actually more expensive than granat for me.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

I started with the standard powder blue Festool discs, and just didn't like how quickly they'd clog up and eventually feel worn out. I tried some mom and pop company discs and got the same results. Eventually gave Klingspor a shot, and felt like I got the same results as the Festool, but spent quite a bit less. I can't say I noticed any difference as far as finish between those brands, but all did leave a lot of pigtails and required a lot of time remove from my projects (which is sorta part for the course with random orbit sanders). When I began using Cubitron II, there was a noticeable difference in feel through the sander, longevity of the disc, and finish. I do a lot of epoxy work, so pigtails are an issue I contend with all the time. If you take your time with Cubitron II the pigtail issues is negligible. Unfortunately, there just isn't a great way to describe using the product other than, it's really damn good. Yep, it's more expensive than Xtract or 3M's newer less expensive mesh, but Cubitron II just works better for wood.

[@kaasmeester5903]

@@inlandwoodandresin I found that the Festool Granat Net discs don't clog up on me as fast as regular discs, especially on plaster, and the dust extraction is noticably better (hardly any dust in the room even after a big job, using a Festool sander + interface disc). I use them on wood as well though not as often, and I'm happy with the performance. Though it sounds like I might have to give that Cubitron stuf a try.

[@emmettcoen]

Why is everyone taking half an hour to say you need a backing pad?

[@inlandwoodandresin]

When this video was made all the woodfluencers weren't giving the full story behind this particular product. The narrative was "this is the best product on the market" and "just slap it on and your sanding life will forever be changed." Oh, "and use my affiliate link so I can get paid off incomplete information." This video was simply a rebuttal to nonfactual product schilling

[@zachturner1480]

You have to use an interface with any mesh pads... it says it right on the boxes....

[@kenmcavoy4353]

Yes sir. Thank you. Just ordered a replacement for my Festool sander.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

All part of the fun of Festool ownership 😞

[@zoltan2728]

I have an Einhell (~40USD) orbital sander and have no problem attaching 3M cubitron sanding paper and no problem with the wearing of the velcro. Tbh I’m a hobbyst.

[@answeris4217]

Mirka had backing pad protctors. Basically it's a velcro pad that goes between you sander and the mesh. They cost like 10 bucks each...

[@civan28]

Have you tried the Diablo version? I was happy to see Diablo offers the interface pad included. I’m sure it’s included in the price but I’m happy it was there as a thoughtful inclusion. Thanks for the video.

[@gharbadtheweak3878]

Thank you bud. Honesty is a rare thing today. thx! :)

[@derdude8201]

Never ever would I use my sander without interface pad. Never had any problems.

[@CoreyShockey]

Ok, I'm a year late on commenting. It was good to hear a different point of view on this product, because otherwise it is easy to fall into the trap of believing Extract is the ultimate game changer for sanding. I'll stick with my current sanding disk, because I know what to expect.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Try to keep up here buddy (hahahaha)!!! I won't name names, but at the time I made this video, every influencer woodworker was pushing this stuff. Since then, kinda gone silent. "Makes a fella wonder, don't it?" Stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything

[@maxa3221]

Thanks for the comments, but is it not a matter of Dollars and Cents? Is replacing your backing pads that big of a deal if it makes you way more money per hour? I think if the impact is there it shouldn't matter but totally ready to be proven wrong since you have tons of experience with these pads. I don't think it's a big deal to buy 5 back pads a year to do $100K of work a year.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

The financial aspect is always something to consider. The annoyance is really based upon my set of circumstances, sanders of choice (Green KoolAid guy) and not having easy access to those backing pads when they need replacing. The discs are great, the influencer message was incomplete, and I just wanted to bring a real world perspective to the woodfluencer shilling that is KZbin

[@shaynesabala]

I get what your saying but if you blow off you backing pad more often and not let it build up you won’t ruin you backing pad. Not to mention, they sell a cheap cover to protect your backing pad. I like the Cubatron (sp). So not a problem for me.

[@kevinbrooks783]

Great video, you just saved me some money! Thank you, Subscriber #16

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Just one guy rambling against the grain (so to speak). Xtract is a great product, but its just not for me. Happy woodworking

[@BeholderThe1st]

Even diablo 'mesh' paper comes with an interface pad in the package. If you need it to make the Xtract work it should come in the box.

[@terristroh3965]

As soon as Xtract got all the hype from a certain video testing all sorts of papers, i settled for second best andI tried Cubitron II. I like it, it does a great job IF it manages to stay on the sander. Oddly the 80 grit doesn’t seem to stay on nearly as well as the higher grits. And changing the pad didn’t work to solve this odd problem. No one at 3M had an answer for it either.

[@baraksinz2937]

I’ve had the same issue with the sandpaper backing wearing out prematurely. Frustrating when the sandpaper is so expensive, and otherwise good.

[@baraksinz2937]

I’ve had no issue with the backing pad of the sander wearing out, but rather the back of the Cubitron 2 wearing out long before the grit is worn. Frustrating to say the least.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Another good point, which I've started to notice now that you mention it. The felt tends to clog up with dust because of the amount of holes in the disc. Those holes obviously don't align with my sanders (probably not yours either) which might be the culprit.

[@Kebekwoodcraft7375]

I think if sand paper as no holes in but some company like 3M make a punch for the type of sander you have 😊

[@spencerjoplin2885]

I ruined my sander’s hooks and blame 3M’s poor documentation. The net disk variety pack contains only 1 mention of an interface pad, *inside* the package in *tiny* print on a sheet mostly warning about getting cancer and starting fires.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

There's good insider information. I ordered my discs from a prominently pushed family owned business and got no paperwork, just discs in plastic bags. Chances are (if I had documentation) I probably wouldn't have read it, but good to know 3M at least was aware of the issue. Now if YT pushers would have passed that info along, this video never would have been made

[@marklaffey7972]

I’m not sure why having an interface pad in there is a problem for you if you had a surf prep or Merca or Eca sand, you would have to have an interface pad unless I’m mistaken

[@inlandwoodandresin]

The interface pad isn't the issue. You know just as well as I do, it's an inexpensive fix to an annoying problem. My issue is the level of product pushing without giving the viewer the full story of a product simply for views and sponsorships. It's one thing to say this is the "best" product on the market for whatever reason they are told to say, but to gloss over the fact that the interface pad is crucial to extending the life of your backing pad, is just bad salesmanship and should be called out. I appreciate you jumping in to the discussion. I'll now get of my soap box.

[@bloodsport5112]

Good review and info. Was going to buy some as well after seeing all the channels you unsubscribed from lol...

[@inlandwoodandresin]

It's a good product, just severely overhyped. I'd recommend Cubitron II. Equally useful, same results, and won't kill your backing pads

[@paulfowler3416]

Vey puzzled -do not see this at all

[@lorriebuxton2041]

Bought the Diablo type came with backing pad works great

[@inlandwoodandresin]

In a pinch, that stuff does do the job

[@themeat5053]

Spot on.

[@monteglover4133]

Thank You for this information

[@bristolbrightworks]

You are totally on point on this one! I have been using festool sanders for about 20 years, and when the mesh papers came out and the tool reps came to my boatshop, I took the bait. Bought some and quickly regretted it. It's just not worth the wear and tear on the higher end sanders.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

I did the same thing, and will NEVER buy them again. 3 discs have flown off the sander today. So frustrating

[@montyr14]

You're right on point. 3M is doing a fantastic job flooding yt and anywhere they can to peddle this product. Any "reviewer" not pointing out the negatives is paid by 3M.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Or just shows how many people peddling products don't know (or don't care) about giving complete information. When Festool puts out a release saying "don't use this product w/o an interface pad" kinda makes a fella wonder.

[@BrainFizz]

@@inlandwoodandresin that’s more to the point…. Just because these channels have big numbers, does not make them knowledgeable about it…. They’re just after numbers, views mean Adsense….. a topic lots of people are talking about gets more traction, and that then leads to affiliate links… All mess abrasives should’ve used with pad savers and interface pads anyways

[@altawait5427]

Just use the pad protection pad. I dont have this issue at all.

[@Dickie2702]

Any mesh disc absolutely requires an interface pad always has always will. Regardless of what discs you use you should use an interface pad, especially if you have a cheaper entry level sander as their primary pads arent great to start with. Not being rude but this is a rather, shall we say, strange video.

[@seswapp1476]

From what I can see, you aren’t using an addd backing pad and you are over using the sanding paper. Extract are awesome, but don’t last long. Also, it appears you are using too much pressure and overheating the paper. I use exclusively extract and change very frequently, still cheaper than typical paper….and I have only bought a single added $4 second backer in a year. The dust collection is far better than anything else available. Just back off your pressure to reduce the heat, and change the paper more often. Problem solved. Cubitron….naw, dust collection isn’t even close.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

So if you listen to these Xtract product promoters, they'll say Xtract has the most effective stock removal, most efficient dust extraction, and is the most cost effective disc on the market. They blatantly overlook the shortcomings (as any salesperson would). If I have to use more of a product to reap the benefits, doesn't that then negate all the perceived benefits? Using two discs at $1.50 v. one disc at $2 doesn't make much sense. Or cents in this case

[@seswapp1476]

@@inlandwoodandresin yup, but the extract in bulk purchase box are really cheap- and sooooo clean with dust - it’s worth it for me. No brands will meet the promoters BS, pick what works I say. Except the gator crap from Lowe’s, that stuff doesn’t work at all for anything… worst ever…along with harbor freight junk.

[@BobBob-eh5sb]

Buy other paper and quit buying expensive sanders.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

There is always that option. Won't be giving up my sanders anytime soon, but the paper is gone. The overall message here isn't that Xtract is a bad product, or that the pads for premium sanders are expensive. It's not trust the salesmanship efforts by channels pushing the "product of the month" w/o someone offering up a real-world experience to give buyers a more complete review of the product. A contrarian POV is often more valuable than the hype man

[@G.I.JeffsWorkbench]

Proof that using an interface pad is essential. Interface pads are inexpensive. Cubitron 3 + interface pads = success. You’ll still be ahead of using anything else. Thanks for your meaninglessness argument.

[@inlandwoodandresin]

Happy you made my point, and disappointed you missed it all in the same comment. Proof that not everyone listens with as much of a critical ear as I do

[@buzzpatch2294]

thx

[@craftedbykvg4649]

Hardly a "fatal flaw". Hyperbolic much? Interface pads sell for as little as $8. Making something out of nothing.

[@jimdfwwoodworks37]

Its crap!

[@inlandwoodandresin]

I wouldn't go that far, but I do think it's been overhyped by other channels.

[@simonr6793]

I wish you had put this video out two weeks ago as I've just spent £500 on a boatload of this product!!!😩😫😕

[@inlandwoodandresin]

You absolutely NEED an interface pad when using Xtract. It's absolutely annoying, trust me I know, but it will make your life so much better. On behalf of everyone else who raved about this product and didn't mention the fact that it kills backing pads, I apologize.

[@robk1310]

Just get some interface pads for your model sander, and you'll be just fine.