Youtube: Promoting Bullshit & Censoring Brilliance

[@scarpfish]

Hey there 2008 world. I'm from the future. 2023 to be exact. If you think KZbin was bad in your time, buckle your seat belts.

[@Psy0pAgent]

... and the United States is no longer listed in my Site list at the top right corner of the page, it disappeared around the same time as the Most Viewed.

[@bornagain001]

You know the Ostrich will stick it's head in the ground when danger approaches. Do you think that helps the Ostrich?

[@MenoftheInfinite]

Do you moderate the way people speak in your home? If so, by what right?

[@CognitiveDisonance]

Failing to feature good videos is on thing, but now KZbin has made it even more difficult to search by removing the ability to sort results. So now, even actively seeking out quality videos takes considerably more time and effort. Just another way to help promote bullshit? I think so.

[@FactVsReligion]

I'm glad you made that video. It's important that people keep an eye on those who are trying to censor us.

[@akashhuyaar]

13 years and youtube still does this.

[@SmokeNGunsBBQ]

​@@akashhuyaar we challenged the system and the system exposed itself.

[@xJediHowieX]

**Update** Just a few hours ago they restored Pat's viewing honors. However Capn and TAA are still being censored.

[@jesokingcryst]

Would you do that if YT started such practices with your chancel? I don't think so.

[@bornagain001]

"They pray.. and pray that they'll get some food.. Yet it never comes" In our church alone....we financial support 3 African missionary families. Those missionaries provide schooling, food, shelter and medical supplies to 1000's of children.

[@Badbark]

I suggest we all raise the issue with KZbin. It would also be wise to be polite and just point out their errors. The rational truth should not be censored.

[@Apjooz]

You could see this miles away really. Everything good always goes shit when it´s "too" popular if you could say.

[@bornagain001]

"The purpose to life as I see it is to help others, and live the best way that I can." "AS I SEE IT" is the key here. What YOU see and what GOD wants are two different things. Even as a Christian, what I WANT is not always what God always gives to me.

[@symmetrie_bruch]

yup thanks from me too although it is not a new fact it can´t be pointed out often enough

[@bernarnack]

The petition "In Defense of Geert Wilders" has now reached 27380 signatures. That means more: • weight for Geert Wilder's defense • support on Geert Wilder's political engagements • consideration regarding freedom of speech • people awareness about the global islamization process • pain in the ass to the islamization process If you're concerned with the above statements then read the petition and sign it now! ▬►To get the link, Google "In Defense of Geert Wilders"

[@yourgayassdrinkspiss]

any idea how i can get my old account back? It's from a year ago.

[@MenoftheInfinite]

Condell hardly rates as "brilliant", but the removal of his video is disturbing. That said, KZbin is a private business and as such is not bound by concerns over free speech. Sadly, commercial interests hold sway. Not sure how we get around that fact.

[@xJediHowieX]

This has been going on for months.

[@xJediHowieX]

Removing the "Most Viewed" honors is the difference between a video getting 100,000 views and 500,000 views. It stinks.

[@Theycallmetomu]

My position has always been, if enough dissent is vocalized and people start leaving, competitor websites will cater to that crowd. But that's because I'm economist, and I foolishly think that the Free Market will prevail. Pfft, yeah right!

[@bornagain001]

"We did that on our own, using science, through hard work." That's the belief of the natural man. The spiritual man knows different.

[@blaziermissy]

No amount of censoring can stop intelligent, informative movements....not for long

[@broadjumper1]

No, it's called WHINING. Feedback is constructive criticism. They're method of censorship might also be called 'feedback" regarding the content of some of these videos...

[@Textra1]

There's no nefarious or nebulous agenda. Just the standard corporate PR ideology.

[@MenoftheInfinite]

It may be if they continue with this sort of behavior. But then, Pat must have known he was pushing his luck in stating that an entire nation's population is mentally ill. Whether that breaches KZbin's codes I don't know, but it is utterly stupid and gratuitous.

[@tuktuktok]

Pat's censored video should be uploaded thousand times and youtube preassured until Pat is able to exercise the basic human right of freedom of speech. This is an absolute disgrace for youtube to censor one of its brighest users! Freedom for Pat!

[@MenoftheInfinite]

I don't know. Who owns KZbin? What are their commercial interests and concerns? KZbin is NOT a free speech venue. Never has been.

[@Aaberg123]

"It is dopey modern, secular anti-discrimination and vilification laws." It was not secular people in Denmark who wanted to restrict freedom of speech. It was Muslims all the way. Any criticism was seen as an insult, and, for some unknown reason, they thought religion was somehow above the law. It is not.

[@Textra1]

You've almost completely misunderstood my point. I made no commentary on whether such general corporate behaviours where immoral, though I do believe they are. Only that You Tube's motivation for this is neither hidden(Nebulous) nor wicked(Nefarious). They are simply doing what is right for them. As for corporate America, that is not within the confines of this argument. Don't draw too a long a bow there matey.

[@MenoftheInfinite]

People who cherish the truth cannot be religious, so you'll never find those two things in abidance.

[@simplelife88393]

KZbin made a ridiculous move by removing Pats 'Welcome to Saudi Britain' video. Not only should they reinstate it immediately, they should fucking feature it. Whatever happened to free-speech? Pffff

[@bornagain001]

The Purpose is to SERVE God in whatever area He places us. One can be a "garbage man" and still serve God. God has given each of us special talents and abilities. He wants us to use those abilities to serve Him. If we are walking with God each day...HE WILL LEAD us to those who are seeking Him. This little KZbin ministry is but a small part of my day serving God.

[@xJediHowieX]

Read CapnO's comment. I repeat. This has been going on for months.....I could have made this video 6 months ago. CapnO, TAA and Condell(until yesterday) have been off the viewing honors for the last 4-6 months. That's some glitch.

[@bornagain001]

"Who wrote the bible? If a mortal wrote it, then wouldn't that mean your freewill and entire religion is based off of one man's thoughts?" The Bible was written by 40 different men AND women over a period of 1600 years. It was written by Kings, Generals, Physicians, fishermen and Tax collectors. It was written during times of both war and peace. It is NOT the work of ONE MAN as is the Koran!

[@bornagain001]

"When i was a little kid i had an imaginairy friend but then my brain began to develop." Imaginary friends can not respond to prayers. GOD DOES.

[@MenoftheInfinite]

Stating that an entire nation is mentally ill could easily be interpreted as hate speech. That's the statement over which KZbin pulled the video. I disagree that it reaches the status of hate speech, but it is certainly a stupid statement; one that could only appeal to the foolish, bigoted and/or logically challenged. I find YT's censorship regime very suspect, but they're a commercial enterprise and entitled to run it their way, just like admins of any discussion forum.

[@R4ndomCrap]

yeah, you're right. somebody's fiddling with the ratings and honors. it's not purely user generated. but hey, KZbin isn't a democracy, even though it implies that it is by having a rating system and metrics labeled as such.

[@arubberball]

The answers is, start your own company!That's the capitalistic thing to do! Your on the outside looking in! You can't pleases all! No company, or government can be all too everyone, it's impossible!

[@Masher88]

The problem is: someone else owns the music that people are putting into the videos.

[@abcddcba09]

nice song! what's its name?

[@bornagain001]

"War's are started in the name of religion" Would that be World War 1, World War 2, the Korean War, Vietnam, Desert Storm or Iraq?

[@MenoftheInfinite]

So, you want to impose your notion of good law onto others? Why can't those others have the same attitude to such imposition as you have to them and their beliefs? I mean, I agree with your position, I'm just highlighting a certain complexity that exists with it.

[@MenoftheInfinite]

It's easy enough to dismiss the more absurd aspects of religious conviction, but theology in general has levels of sophistication that are not so easy to eradicate - but they need to be because they give succour to the less sophisticated. As to religious law *now* being acknowledged by Britain law - that is untrue. Jewish religious law has been functioning in Britain for ages, and I might remind you that your head of state is the head of your state religion. Get rid of those first.

[@Brdstfff]

If you aren't British, you can still be heard. Write to the British PM and the Queen: For the Prime Minister of Britain: cadotyoutubedotcomslashDowning St And for Buckingham Palace: royaldotgovdotukslashoutputsla shpage249dotasp KZbin doesn't let you post web addresses so just do dots where it says dot and slashes where it says slash. I told them my family was planning a trip to Britain next spring (true) but would not be going because we now consider Britain unsafe.

[@canadianroot]

back to pat. his is an important voice. sure, he's angry, but not full of hate. his work is well-researched, and his message deserves to be heard. look for balance in what he's saying. it's there. he's identifying, for good reason, religion as a basis for much of what ails mankind. it rings true for me. 100%.

[@MenoftheInfinite]

Don't you see the folly in characterizing them as mad believers when you can't or won't definitively demonstrate their beliefs to be wrong? Each person must do the intellectual work to demonstrate this otherwise they're just adopting a social meme just like a religionist. I see no evidence in Pat's productions that he has done that work. I'd like to. As to people "enforcing" certain of their cultural aspects on you: in what sense is Sharia law being forced on you?

[@Darkphoenix3450]

'No what he said was in no way agents any law or rule.' His video was abiding to all the rules. The ones putting rope around there necks is KZbin. Soon there be another forum just like KZbin, and those people tired of KZbins shit will leave. So in the end KZbin is hanging them selfs.

[@MenoftheInfinite]

Pardon me for caring about truth and facts and legitimate arguments. I am profoundly anti-religious but I prefer that my stance against it be intellectually credible and not based in sentiment and sundry emotional bullshit. You might want to consider that not liking what a religion does or believes is not an argument that it's untrue. To establish that you need better than the comedic fluff that Pat generally offers. But, if that's all you can handle, fair enough.

[@Badbark]

Pat has been put back on the top all time comedy sub page. Although he should also be No2 comedy this week and isn't there! I noted on his channel 3rd Dec that I was 19,337 sub an now he has 20,220.

[@OxbowisaMstie]

thunderf00t still is retaining his awards. but yeah i see your point....kinda.

[@punnet2]

Any word on CoA?

[@bornagain001]

"You're telling me that "gods" only purpose for us on this earth is to praise and worship him/it?" no...God's PRIMARY purpose for creating you was for FELLOWSHIP.

[@AlongtheFarClimbDown843]

The search for the mythical, knowledgeable "atheist" continues...along with the tracking of Yeti.

[@broadjumper1]

If you've got constructive crtiticism or an idea to make their product better, they'll listen, but whining because some brands of hate, (or whatever you choose to call it) are restricted while others are allowed does nothing. If you don't like it, cancel your membership. Crap coming from the likes of Pat Condell, et, al., have plenty of venues. YT can be completely irrational about their approach if they choose. We can make the ultimate protest and leave if we want.

[@Nashy119]

Views doesn't mean the person thought the video was any good.

[@CurbYrDogma]

Comedians fall into the same category as preachers, lawyers, and politicians. All are trained in the art of public speaking and understand how to use emotionally manipulative rhetoric. Comedians have an advantage because it's kind of understood that they can get away with being more outrageous and not have to kiss the public's ass to win an elected office. John Stewart (American) has recently been called one of the most influential voices in politics. Also look up Bill Maher...

[@arubberball]

Isn't Youtub a privately own company? So it's not censorship!

[@xJediHowieX]

Truth is something we can prove. We can not prove there is no God. We can prove some gods don't exist....but not all god. Atheism is the belief there is no god.

[@truvelocity]

Yes, I repeat this, stop aruging inside of the box, think outside of the box and create a forum in which one can turn to that is not censored.

[@bornagain001]

"If he does that in the next 24 hrs I will convert." God doesn't need us...we need God. Christ Himself healed the cripple, made the deaf to hear and restored limb to the MAIMED. Those who were SKEPTICS to begin with...remained skeptics. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT.

[@glazinq]

Oh well, at least they haven't censored THIS video!

[@jesokingcryst]

feedback is whining. whining is feedback. Users need feedback in form of clear rules, not unexplained practices.

[@ColRon]

I actually agree with broadjumper1, it is a free website and technically they can do whatever they want with the videos

[@killakadafi77]

"yes, but the scientist created it for a religiously motivated higher-archy and science will not end the world, people fighting with others, and violence between humans is what's gonna fucks us up" good point but thats also what im saying, religion wont fuck us up its our violence and hatred, you gotta understand that humans always group together with common belief, that wont stop so these people need to be willing to revise, the solution is to not be selfish,

[@killakadafi77]

"if everyone kept their religion to themselves, the world would be a much, MUCH better place today" Not really, if we were to share with eachother and see the similarities instead of the differences the world would be a much better place, to say if religion was gone the world would be better is the same as saying if humans were gone the world would be better, yeah thats true but we gotta change that, not by killing religion or humans but by making them better

[@waveoflight]

Dean Wycoff

[@aaarrrggghhhh]

Go to Pat Condell's page to sign a petition to the Government to stop sharia law in Britain.

[@bornagain001]

An elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included seemingly contradictions in His Word to snare the proud. He has hidden things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes (Luke 10:21) purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27). If an ungodly man refuses to humble himself and repent of his sin and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows.

[@kurtilein3]

we need another sort of video streaming website first. if all the atheists collectively move to a website that doesnt get any attention... and youtube stays popular... then we shout ourselves in the foot. but lets keep our eyes open, make accounts at different places, ...

[@Quentyn73]

Mediocrity is the modern virtue indeed.

[@mjt708]

i dont get it..

[@killakadafi77]

the truth is that these very people taught you to be smart and think clearly, yet these religious masters are as close minded as the people Jesus opposed

[@MenoftheInfinite]

Stewart is a genius compared to Condell. Nevertheless you're right about the fact that comedians are generally allowed more rope. Maybe Pat took a little too much this time and hanged himself.

[@WizardJim]

Yeah, I had noticed that, weird shit.

[@fywacia]

It's from the Benny Hill show.

[@yaakhee]

ive noticed this too ive also noticed religious arseholes going round flagging any video that criticises their own particular delusion. fight the power brother.

[@killakadafi77]

he doesnt, he's a ranter, he knows a little about something and basically says its crap in cute funny ways, he's a comedian, simply that, not some philosopher

[@killakadafi77]

im not the biggest fan of religion but it does do good, cultures have been around for a long time, people do take it to literally alot of the time and that is because it has been influenced over time for the purpose of mass control, religion isnt just something someone makes up, it creates a culture and society, it needs to be understood better so we dont act so stupid, people believe in God and thats not gonna stop so just encourage people to charish the truth and it will all be good

[@MihaZ]

I don't get the ''comedian'' part. He knows how to speak well, does that make him a stupid liar? Not at all. That is called rhetoric. He is much closer to write a philosophy book than playing in any show on TV. If you remove the little ''funny'' aspects, all his arguments are very strong, no matter if you disagree or not.

[@bornagain001]

"Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:19. The PROOF lies within your own heart. If you live in rebellion/denial of God, NO PROOF will ever be revealed to you by God. You have to be "open" to the evidence first which you are not.

[@Mauhadeeb28]

@rasmann181 OoooooK..... Are you feeling alright, Mr. Senseless Rambler?

[@killakadafi77]

you'd love them in the hopes that they wouldnt be your enemy. well im pretty sure the gospel of john has been dated to the first century and he claims to be john the apostle, theres also others not in the bible like the apocalypse of peter and others, also it would be likely that history wouldnt record Jesus because he wasnt exacly popular with the empowered people, i dont think there should be a doubt about Jesus' existence, Just who he was would be the question.

[@Andruth34]

While I agree this is bullshit, you have to remember: nobody has the "right" to post on youtube. It's run by a company, and they have the right to do whatever they want to videos. You agree to that whenever you upload one. If it was government run I would be more concerned, but it's not. So, while they may be censoring and lowering the views of brilliant videos, be glad there are any at all.

[@silvermillionaire]

What do you expect, Pat. They do not want to be in a Jihadist decapitation video. That would make most viewed on youtube

[@BobChaos23]

Um, its not about whether the belief is right or wrong...that is actually unknowable and unquantifiable....its abou the right of those of us who do not believe to live our lives as we choose...and the Sharia laws censor criticism of Islam...by extension, every criticism of EVERYTHING must therefore also be banned, unless Islam is accorded a special place all its own...is that what you suggest happen?That one idea is above all others? Leave the rest of us alone already,worship whoever you like

[@kix4trix]

Well youtube is cleary on it's way out. Lets just make lots of videos promoting similar sites to youtube.

[@broadjumper1]

Thanks. 'cept I kinda blew it by misspelling HAVE with HALF....oh well, we all f-up now and again!

[@jesokingcryst]

every good system with users needs "whiners". It's called feedback.

[@Textra1]

I'd be willing to bet that only the poorest of people would not be silenced by the threat of legal action. Which I'm sure You Tube faces on a daily basis. Asking You Tube to give you a medium for your freedom of speech is asking them to pay for your freedom of speech. You and I risk nothing to speak here, while they risk their very business. I'm not saying they are right, but it's not as clear cut as you make it.

[@xJediHowieX]

Just yesterday they restored Condell's most subscribed Comedian honors. Check his Channel. BTW I hope you're feeling a little better 2day :)

[@xJediHowieX]

I'll do a video for you next week too.

[@killakadafi77]

was the cold war started over religion, no it was politics(same thing though) and no religion didnt "cause" this hatred, people just want to hate sometimes so they purposely interpet scripture so to start war, yes a problem with religion is the blind sheep, but its not fair to group every religious person together, there are many who desire love and peace and this comes from there religion, theres good and bad in everything, even science can do bad things, its all about the persons heart

[@Brdstfff]

"Who owns KZbin?" KZbin is owned by Google.

[@jesokingcryst]

Well now, than I guess they don't need any feedback? Because that will work out so great for us all. Sure they are free to do what they want, they can even shut down youtube tomorrow. No one can complain about that. But while they are up and running wouldn't it be better to have more clarity how they handle people here? Wouldn't it be better to heave clear rules for us and youbube to follow? Wouldn't it be better?

[@fywacia]

Maybe we need the government, the churches, and corporate American to shut everyones mouth unless ordered to speak by the powers that be? I know that many Americans would be much happier or would they? I know all those loving Christians who cheer when youtube cencors an atheist would revolt if youtube began cencoring them. Wouldn't it be nice if whenever someone mentioned Jesus that youtube would delete their post or video? I don't think so because I support freedom, why can't christians?

[@AustinD88]

I think the makers of youtube have a right to do whatever they want.

[@killakadafi77]

well to me religion does say if you do evil you will pay for it, there corruption is when its influenced by peoples ego's so instead of teaching that your evil will cause you pain they say follow me or suffer or believe what my interpetation says or suffer, its when religion BECOMES politics is when its corrupt, most religions began with simply a spiritual person like Guatama or Jesus but is then adopted by government when the mass amount of people are intruiged,

[@bornagain001]

"I asked you to pray and ask your God for curing the sick. Why didn't you? I see only two explanations:" You missed the correct answer. God is NOT a puppet on a string that dances to the tune of SINFUL MAN. He answers those prayers but in HIS TIME...not yours. Did not God allow us a cure for Leprosy? Polio? Chicken Pox? Diphtheria? Malaria? Measles? God is simply not going to create Heaven for those who do not appreciate what He has ALREADY DONE.

[@killakadafi77]

so is pat condell supposed to be this brilliance, he's just a comedian, half the time he doesnt know what he's talking about

[@killakadafi77]

Its just the way people act, we will do evil with or without religion, the truth is that politics is exactly the same as religion(minus God) so the world power is run on religion, thats why religion has become corrupt because of the power that comes with it, we should just learn from everything and try to apply it correctly, the rest is just politics.

[@earfetish]

how is being anti-religion being racist, I don't see the link, just because Muslims are more likely to be brown doesn't mean being anti-Islam makes you a racist; it's a bullshit argument to step on free speech and claim criticism of your belief system is racist. I'm sure Pat, as a fellow Brit, loves what multiculturalism has done to our country and hates that it's brought along religious fervour too