Yu-Gi-Oh Cards Have Too Much Text.

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@TierZoo
@TierZoo 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, better formatting would really go a long way. Bulletpoints and line breaks help a ton. However, I think it's also fair to say that Yugioh card effects are simply too long and complex, regardless of formatting. It's quite telling that the MTG card "Questing Beast", which is the card players meme about for having too many effects, only has a total of 48 words in its text box. Around half of the average yugioh card and a quarter of the text that Endymion has. And sure, some of the text is condensed into keywords, but even if you were to write out the rules text for each of the keywords on Questing Beast, it's still only 70 words or so, only average for a yugioh card. The other issue is, the combo-heavy nature of yugioh means each card effect often strings into another, sometimes several. If your opponent plays a search card, you not only need to read the search card, but also you need to read and understand the implications of the card they searched for, or sent to the graveyard, or banished, etc. Because of this, it can be borderline impossible for a new player to follow what an experienced player is doing during their turn. In fact in my experience with Yu-Gi-Oh, it's actually fairly common for intermediate players to beat inexperienced players simply because they inadvertently cheated and their opponent didn't catch it. Reusing a hard once-per-turn effect, searching/sending a card they actually couldn't, etc Look I'm not sayin' the game needs to be so simple that Garoozis sees main deck play but it would be nice for me, an avid cardgamer, to be able to follow what my opponent is doing with their combo even if I haven't seen it before.
@streetzfpv
@streetzfpv 2 жыл бұрын
I felt like I was reading a card reading this comment u work for konami..jk good points
@apsamplifier
@apsamplifier 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you nailed it here. I think it's fine for a few cards to have long effects, but it's overwhelming when so many pieces of a combo or strategy do. A common experience I've seen is a card with a fairly long effect being summoned, the opponent reading it for the first time, and then having it just get Linked away immediately anyway, triggering both its GY effect (requiring the other player to pick it up and read it again) AND the new Link Monster's effect that has to be read, and then synthesizes what they both mean together as they form a chain. All of this right before the Link monster searches or summons a NEW card from the deck, which has another long effect, and so on. I'd be alright with just boss monsters having a lot, for instance.
@chimmyinfernape9189
@chimmyinfernape9189 2 жыл бұрын
Rush duels did all the things right. They have a line for cost, one for the effect and every card has a once per turn claus automatically built in
@TierZoo
@TierZoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@apsamplifier exactly, the fatigue sets in real quick once my opponent has dumped a full romance novel worth of text into their graveyard. But yes, I agree, ending on a single boss monster with a lot of abilities is cool; it's once of the main reasons people loved the original anime Egyptian God Cards. Knowing all of their hidden powers was part of the charm.
@kielcaal8209
@kielcaal8209 2 жыл бұрын
TIER ZOO PLAYS YU GI OH! Just wanted to comment and say that is awesome
@lovethyenemies6702
@lovethyenemies6702 2 жыл бұрын
"Ages 6 and up" LMAO Konami be lying on all their boxes
@arkanamaster4961
@arkanamaster4961 2 жыл бұрын
Are you saying 6 years olds can’t read lol
@7cross288
@7cross288 2 жыл бұрын
@@arkanamaster4961 I think their implying that the minimum age recommended being 6 is misleading as they'll likely be unable to understand the convoluted card effects.
@arkanamaster4961
@arkanamaster4961 2 жыл бұрын
@@7cross288 well that’s why there is a rule book included lol
@R3in_Ch
@R3in_Ch 2 жыл бұрын
@@arkanamaster4961 6 y/o can understand rule book? lmao
@arkanamaster4961
@arkanamaster4961 2 жыл бұрын
@@R3in_Ch they can read. I did when i was kid
@machina5
@machina5 2 жыл бұрын
It's not even the amount of text itself that's annoying, it's that it takes them so many words to say so little.
@ShinkuGouki
@ShinkuGouki Жыл бұрын
So true. They have to use so many words in order to avoid misinterpreting cards because of the game mechanics.
@maxthebear7765
@maxthebear7765 2 жыл бұрын
This is so true. I read Pot of Greed 100 times over and I still don’t know what it does.
@adud6764
@adud6764 2 жыл бұрын
The numbering (1), (2), ... from the Japanese cards looks fantastic, and I have no clue why they didn't use it in the English version.
@JuwanBuchanan
@JuwanBuchanan 2 жыл бұрын
Konami want these cards to do too much and that's part of the problem. In the past most effect monsters had at least 1 or 2 effects making the card text not that long, but nowadays monsters have like 3, 4, and sometimes 5 effects all wrapped into one.
@darkiplier3502
@darkiplier3502 2 жыл бұрын
Usually it’s only 1-3 effects, but still more text for clauses and costs etc
@arrownoir
@arrownoir 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s kind of insane now. That’s why I stick to Masterduel.
@diamondsanchez224
@diamondsanchez224 2 жыл бұрын
@@arrownoir Master Duel's card pool is really similar to the TCG's and OCG's. It's only behind by a couple of sets.
@diamondsanchez224
@diamondsanchez224 2 жыл бұрын
Monsters usually only have 1 or 2 effects. In rare cases 3. The effects just aren't formatted, so it looks like more, but it really isn't.
@theboy1625
@theboy1625 2 жыл бұрын
It’s always the same effects too. Special summon this, negate that, target and destroy that smh
@darkly7749
@darkly7749 2 жыл бұрын
This makes me glad that I play on master duel, being able to scroll through text and not having to use a microscope to read a card is rather nice.
@Folfire
@Folfire 2 жыл бұрын
And there are even missed opportunities in MD. There are small icons for cards that have been improperly summoned that show up in the bottom of cards, so a "visual shortcut", that in the same vein, could be applied to quickly identify cards that have GY effects, Quick Effects, etc. They could also use bold, italics or colored wording for certain things, like I wouldn't mind if, per archetype, the common text between cards could have italics, so I can just focus on the specific effect of a card.
@thebigandlazyguy246
@thebigandlazyguy246 2 жыл бұрын
@@Folfire master duel could really be a cradle for testing improvements for the game and then maybe actually implement them be it card formatting or banlist changes but all konami does with it is just disappointing players.
@juliorama1772
@juliorama1772 2 жыл бұрын
I like the numbers in the OCG, since you can even improve communication by saying "I activate the ① effect of Eldlich", so your opponent can quickly know what to read. An idea to further improve the HOPT would be to make the normal effects have the ①, ② etc, while the HOPT effects have ❶, ❷ etc. You could even make the summoning condition part (i.e Lu Feng) start with a Ⓢ
@sormokah8229
@sormokah8229 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with what you're saying about the rules text completely, but in my case the Levels have always been an issue. I've always thought it would be good if they put some sort of spacing between 4/5 and 6/7. It would make it easier to identify a card's level at a glance and it could be a more intuitive way to indicate the amount of tributes for a tribute summon.
@apoptosisduellinks109
@apoptosisduellinks109 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I can't believe I haven't realised this before. It's why we put dots or comma's in big numbers: 10.000.000 / 10,000,000.
@sarthakarora3212
@sarthakarora3212 2 жыл бұрын
@@apoptosisduellinks109 no one puts dots in big number. Puting a dot changes the number
@apoptosisduellinks109
@apoptosisduellinks109 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarthakarora3212 Dutch people do So with 'we', I meant humanity in general
@ShinkuGouki
@ShinkuGouki Жыл бұрын
Very true. I'm always like "1,2,3,4,5,6,7. Okay,level 7"
@ShinkuGouki
@ShinkuGouki Жыл бұрын
@@sarthakarora3212 Never think you know everything, no matter how sure you feel.
@yourMoonstone
@yourMoonstone 2 жыл бұрын
Formatting! If they had a couple bullet points, indents, SOMETHING to make parsing everything fast and easily that would help. I know people go back and forth on YGO needing keywords but it could easily change. I like how the Rush Duel cards format everything for activations and effects.
@shadowdragon714
@shadowdragon714 2 жыл бұрын
kinda like the Ryko the Lightsworn. Those bullet points are so nice and i wish they appeared more often.
@yourMoonstone
@yourMoonstone 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowdragon714 Exactly! I know they're brushing up against the word count and how small the words can get but if they made a keyword that was for the hard once per turn text then that saves you a whole sentence right there
@strangevol5264
@strangevol5264 2 жыл бұрын
oh so OCG cards
@akiraishin7141
@akiraishin7141 2 жыл бұрын
@@yourMoonstone agreed. Something as simple as "Defender" or "Taunt" can save an entire sentence. Yes, there are many effects that have lengthy explanations because they are more complex, but that shouldn't be the baseline for them.
@AnRuixuan
@AnRuixuan 2 жыл бұрын
I've thought about keywords in Yugioh but at this point the game is too complex for keywords to really work. Effects are so nuanced and individualistic that it would be too onerous to create keywords. For example, there's "Negate" but then you'd have to specify whether it's negating effects or activations, and whether it's negating monsters, S/T, or all the above, and at that point you're basically just writing out the exact effect anyway. There's simultaneous and sequential effects, there's when vs if, mandatory vs optional, etc. It's just a mess, and current PSCT in some of these cases already acts as a sort of keyword and still doesn't simplify the text (thinking of things like "you can" to indicate optional, "then" for sequential effects, etc)
@7cross288
@7cross288 2 жыл бұрын
Even if the card text was PERFECTLY clear and there was virtually no room for things to be misinterpreted the sheer amount of effects a card can have, how it can interact with other cards, and the overall speed of the game means that unless you're very familiar with the meta and/or a seasoned player(which the average player is not) by the time you are confident in ways of counterplay it may be too late.
@loseronline17
@loseronline17 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I love the rush duel cards, the text formatting is so much better
@nymesis4389
@nymesis4389 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like it’s just an issue of formatting it in a more pleasing way, instead of flooding the box with text, use bullet points. And me personally I don’t really have a problem with longer card text because altering playing a deck for the first time a long card text can be boiled down to a more simple two sentences in my head. That’s just me tho, I still agree that the density of the text is a problem and should be more thinned.
@TobikunOuO
@TobikunOuO 2 жыл бұрын
The OCG uses bullet points and it is much easier to read.
@TheKaijudist
@TheKaijudist 2 жыл бұрын
Hard once per turn not being keyworded is criminal. It's taking up two lines on literally every card these days
@randommaster06
@randommaster06 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that veteran players still have issues with figuring out what cards do means there's a problem. YGO is enough of a word salad as it is, Konami doesn't need to present us with a reading comprehension exam with every card.
@luchotenks2310
@luchotenks2310 2 жыл бұрын
​@@TheKaijudist How about adding a black diamond with a white number 1 inside before each effect with a HOPT clause?
@grimtester799
@grimtester799 2 жыл бұрын
You could also use COLOR CODING/SEPARATION, Italize, Bolding, Underlining, Bordering/Circling,
@PharaohofAtlantis
@PharaohofAtlantis 2 жыл бұрын
Not having a line break between effects is what really gets me. I casually play Master Duel and have a hard time figuring out what is one effect or two from time to time. The first part is a quick effect, is this sentence also a quick effect? Does this effect apply at the same time I activate the first part?
@arrownoir
@arrownoir 2 жыл бұрын
They’re trying to save as much space as possible, hence the lack of breaks. But they can rectify this in Masterduel and should.
@Lira_orpheus
@Lira_orpheus 2 жыл бұрын
For Master Duel you cam find a safe mod that breaks card text by effects. Maybe you should check it out.
@azurnal7573
@azurnal7573 2 жыл бұрын
PSCT
@KevinTangYT
@KevinTangYT 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the textbox itself needs to be bigger if they're insistent on having so much text in complete sentences to give proper tab formatting. All conditions need to be left-aligned on a new row with a double space after colon to visually separate condition from effect. Personally, I think conditions should be further condensed and just remove the "When vs If". Hard OPT can be indicated *Each Once per turn* *Only one effect per turn* [Sent to GY] Search your Deck for X. [Opponent Special Summons a monster(s)] Discard 1 card; Banish that monster(s). Send this card from your hand to GY; this turn, each time your opponent Special Summons a monster(s), immediately draw 1 card
@thebigandlazyguy246
@thebigandlazyguy246 2 жыл бұрын
When vs if shouldn't even exist imo
@jofx4051
@jofx4051 2 жыл бұрын
You and you can, your is the culprit in the card texts, taking too much text If it isnt needed, it shouldn't be written Many coined terms can actually shorten the cards such as SEARCH
@jofx4051
@jofx4051 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebigandlazyguy246 When and if Will be existing forever cause they are 2 different things except if u just wanna check the condition Most likely you will see word 'when' if your card can respond to the condition directly and 'if' just when the conditions are met
@sallas09
@sallas09 2 жыл бұрын
One way to potentially combine the ideas of using bullet points and better denoting once per turns would be to have the bullets themselves denote the number of activations you get. For a once per turn effect, the bullet dot is a circle with a 1 in it. And you can distinguish a SOPT from a HOPT by doing something else to the dot, like adding studs or little patterns to the outer circle to a HOPT effect. For example, Baronne de Fleur would look something like this: (1) You can target 1 card on the field; destroy it. (1) During the Standby Phase: You can target 1 Level 9 or lower monster in your GY; return this card to the Extra Deck, and if you do, Special Summon that monster. {1} Once while face-up on the field, when a card or effect is activated (Quick Effect): You can negate the activation, and if you do, destroy that card.
@barbershopboy05
@barbershopboy05 2 жыл бұрын
This! The amount of memorization and the impossibility to know what was going on in a game without taking tons of time for reading, are the main reasons I left Yugioh. I wish it was different.
@maidenless_tarnished
@maidenless_tarnished 2 жыл бұрын
I was always confused after I saw an OCG card for the first time with the numbers why TCG didn't have them. You could have told me all day long that Endymion had only 2 effects in the TCG and I wouldn't believe, but seeing the OCG version makes so much more sense. It's probably the way sentence structure works in the different languages, but there has to be a similar method that could be used cause I honestly stopped playing yugioh cause I almost developed cataracts from having glazed eyes all the time from trying to read the cards😅
@thomas5585
@thomas5585 2 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail was great. I laughed. Also, Akroma, Angel of Wrath in MTG has seven abilities explained in twelve words. It's possible to shrink text.
@Folfire
@Folfire 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but many YGO players are allergic to keywords. There's this weird defense that is just excusing how bad YGO text design is, that is rarely hard to counter, because it is just dragging from the inception of the game and only now feels bad.
@xSacrollyd
@xSacrollyd 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i haven't played MTG a lot in my life, but i always admired the use of simple keywords. When an ability is new, it gets explained in the first few sets and then its common knowledge what it means. Of course, YGO has a "little" bit different text structure with keywords and conjunctions (target, then, and if you do, also, blablabla. Also activated / permanent effects and conditions), but there are some things that could get shrinked to a Keyword or symbol ("If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict (double) piercing battle damage." -> "Inflicts (double) piercing damage." for example.).
@wolfbrother9025
@wolfbrother9025 2 жыл бұрын
U can list every ability in MTG on a single pendulum card
@WavemasterAshi
@WavemasterAshi 2 жыл бұрын
A probable linked reason occurs to me - I remember going back to the tvtropes page about Woosleyisms (the guy who did a lot of localization work for Square) and it noted how Japanese is a more compact written language than English, so imagine a full text box in Japanese...the English text will NECESSARILY be bigger!
@domdude491
@domdude491 2 жыл бұрын
It's cool I'm early. Also, I feel the card text being a lot isn't the worst thing it's just that the text is way too small and straining to read is aggravating
@Rayquaza894
@Rayquaza894 2 жыл бұрын
Cardfight vanguard……
@jgalena
@jgalena 2 жыл бұрын
It's so wierd that they are don't update the card frame to something with a larger text box.
@naquinn5745
@naquinn5745 Жыл бұрын
This isn't helped by the card size tbh
@arrownoir
@arrownoir 2 жыл бұрын
Reading? That’s why I prefer the anime, your opponent reads it for you.
@eljefe1030
@eljefe1030 2 жыл бұрын
Man when I got into my first local I spent half my matches reading cards lmao
@NewtBannner
@NewtBannner 2 жыл бұрын
Good for you! Most people just let their opponents go off without learning what their cards do
@NytoDork
@NytoDork 2 жыл бұрын
I highly agree with the (1), (2), etc change. It just feels much more natural to read through like that. It would also help a lot if YGO uses empty lines before each repeated effect in each Archetype. Using Tearlaments Merrli as example: ---------------------------------------- If this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the GY. If this card is sent to the GY by card effect (except during the Damage Step): You can Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, by placing Fusion Materials mentioned on it from your hand, field, and/or GY, including this card from your GY, on the bottom of the Deck in any order. You can only use each effect of "Tearlaments Merrli" once per turn. ---------------------------------------- Changing to: ---------------------------------------- (1) If this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the GY. (2) If this card is sent to the GY by card effect (except during the Damage Step): You can Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, by placing Fusion Materials mentioned on it from your hand, field, and/or GY, including this card from your GY, on the bottom of the Deck in any order. You can use the (1) and (2) effects of "Tearlaments Merrli" once per turn. ---------------------------------------- And then, if you were to read, for example, Tearlaments Shaylen, you would just have to read the (1) effect, which would just be -------------------- (1) During your Main Phase: You can Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, send 1 monster from your hand to the GY, then, send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the GY. -------------------- --- The rest of the card is clearly the same as the Merrli in this case. The one issue might be that it requires more space on the cards, so separating lines can also work. In general archetypes often have a ton of text that once you read it on one card, you can see it on many other cards, so by clearly separating it from the unique effect of each card it would be way easier to figure out what's unique on each card.
@banmonsterg.8245
@banmonsterg.8245 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know the solution but even something like abbreviated the OPT line has weird implications due to how every word matters, such as the difference between "activating" a card once per turn and "using" a card's effect once per turn
@jaguarnero
@jaguarnero 2 жыл бұрын
In addition to bullet points, breaking each individual effect, and simplifying card text even more (which for the most part I am sure can be done) you could even add symbols. I always thought if all monster quick effects are spell speed 2, you could add the lightning symbol that are on quick play spells instead of “(quick effect)”. You could add a spear symbol for piercing. And I’m sure there are other things you can do to simplify card text and still make it just as understandable.
@gekkouga-sl7lb
@gekkouga-sl7lb 2 жыл бұрын
One thing maybe worth noting, I read an article a few years ago about the optimal text size for our eyes to read (around 11,12 font size) which is why email, word docs default to it. Yugioh card text is a couple of sizes smaller, which is why your eyes start to glaze over it. Weirdly, Konami addressed this in around 2014/15 for cards with less text, they increased their text size. I have an Eye of Timaeus and Preparation of Rites that have HUGE text for some reason, they seemed to abandon this idea though, as later versions of these cards defaulted back to the smaller text. Seems weird that they implemented it only to remove it after such a short amount of time
@RunicSigils
@RunicSigils 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree they should number/bullet them. As for the once per turn thing, I guess theoretically they could just have it say "(OPT)" for once per turn and "(SOPT)" for strict once per turn and then bullet/number those effects. And once per duel could be "(OPD)"/"(SOPD)", of course (though, I guess they could go with just SOPT/D and HOPT/D but I imagine they'd want to stay away from putting fan terminology on the cards). Then just update the rules to include what those terms mean.
@r3zaful
@r3zaful 2 жыл бұрын
People in ocg already laughed when tcg suddenly changed perlereino effects to suffle because it will become problematic in the future.
@r3zaful
@r3zaful 2 жыл бұрын
Changing stuff needs to be really careful, tcg already fucked gandora effects so bad it's unplayable when tcg accidentally change the effects and refuse to change it.
@RunicSigils
@RunicSigils 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, it occurred after some time to think on it that they can't do the abbreviation. It needs to remain that sentence. The game has card effects often allow you to do things that specifically name a card. Killing that sentence kills those cards so it's actually a terrible idea.
@KeonVioletWilkins
@KeonVioletWilkins 2 жыл бұрын
Guess the cool thing about Vanguard visual design which feels like a natural evolution of the direction Yugioh used is that since 90%+ of the card is the art and they slap the effect text box over the very bottom of the art means that they vary the text boxes according to the amount of text which makes cards more legible. A card with a short effect has a smaller box than a card with a longer one. The text size regardless of length is usually highly consistent since they don't set themselves to an uniform box template. They also threw in symbols and room for keywords early on which was great future proof design. It also opened up the room for rarities where the textbox is invisible allowing just the text over the art which is a cool way to bling out decks. Just interesting to compare and contrast between the two given Vanguard's roots started from Yugioh.
@MionMikan
@MionMikan 2 жыл бұрын
Every yugioh player is a certified paralegal. true facts.
@tankopotomus
@tankopotomus 2 жыл бұрын
This is dead on. All of that would help so much you read my mind on the once per turn symbol
@kennethfocarino7075
@kennethfocarino7075 2 жыл бұрын
Ygo is very complicated, and incredibly combo oriented. Each deck damn near has a 30 step combo, that can be interrupted but at the right moments. When I play against a new deck (played ygo on and off for almost a decade), no matter what I always lose becuase it sooo much information to learn on the spot, and it’s really easy to hand trap the wrong thing. I think it’s just the shear amount of information to sort and interact with in real time, and the text just doesn’t help. I agree with Paul on the effect numbers, at least it’ll be a easier to disqualify useless effects.
@mistriousfrog
@mistriousfrog 2 жыл бұрын
Line breaks to differentiate different effects would go a massive way towards making cards feel more readable. The amount of text isn't the real problem (though there is too much of that too), it is the difficulty in parsing meaning.
@Alejandra-cv7rj
@Alejandra-cv7rj 2 жыл бұрын
I won't be surprised if Konami in the future puts digital codes on the text box of each card because how much words the cards now have.
@HopUpOutDaBed
@HopUpOutDaBed 2 жыл бұрын
one thing that can't really be changed at this point, but has a huge effect is the size of the cards themselves and how much card space is dedicated to artwork. Look at something like pokemon where the cards are slightly bigger and the art takes up less than half of the space (except in the case of full arts which have the text over the art) which keeps things less crammed and more organized. Obviously this can't be changed at this point, but it's something I noticed. Yugioh, the game with the most text, ironically has the smallest cards with the least amount of space dedicated to card text.
@bollockjohnson6156
@bollockjohnson6156 2 жыл бұрын
They COULD stop powercreeping the game by making cards that have multiple costs/conditions, and overpowered effects. Why did we have to stray so far from "Draw 2 cards" or "Discard 1 card to destroy 1 card on the field?" At this rate by 2025 we'll have cards that come with a booklet you have to refer to when you play it!
@tzera_rhuon
@tzera_rhuon 2 жыл бұрын
Text boxes will just have QR codes to scan lol
@kingkaratechop3978
@kingkaratechop3978 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! Like why does every card have to have 20 effects and so much text?
@r3zaful
@r3zaful Жыл бұрын
Back then even in the late 1999 Canon soldier ftk exists
@danielschott4639
@danielschott4639 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Paul for acknowledging the redundancy of "You can only use this effect of [insert full name of card] once per turn" at 11:00. They could place the "only" clause at start the effect rather than giving it AN ENTIRE SEPARATE SENTENCE!
@danymba_
@danymba_ 2 жыл бұрын
I guess the last issue (you can only activate *card name* effect once per turn) is kinda necessary cuz that'd make sense if sumome is tryna activate the same effect with more than one copy in that same turn. I dunno if there's an example of a card that may activate the same effect more than just once per turn, even with the "ya can only activate *card name* effect once per turn" if you have another copy of it on the field. But I agree with you, it's rly necessary to try reducing the text of the cards.
@kuriboh0
@kuriboh0 2 жыл бұрын
When I first read about cards getting those circled numbers to seperate and refer to effects, I was ecstatic. Nowadays I'm mostly disappointed that they haven't started doing this for the TCG. Obviously, the complexity of modern cards in general is still a problem, but at least this would make cards so much more readable. Plus, it helps with communication.
@niladrighosh3269
@niladrighosh3269 2 жыл бұрын
Yugioh went from "The ultimate wizard in terms of atk & def" To novels
@Grimsikk
@Grimsikk Жыл бұрын
This is honestly a great watch for me because I'm working on making my own TCG, and have hit a point where my text box takes up half a card, and sometimes is full of skills and effects. I feel like I have it organized well, but this video is helping me to reassess my formatting.
@kennethfocarino7075
@kennethfocarino7075 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the numbers that the OCG uses. The problem isn’t just the text, it’s what text is important. Most cards have 2-3 separate effects, but most of the time one or most of the effects are useless. And since it’s written in paragraph form, you have to read thru so much redundant material, and then it gets overwhelming. I’d love “1: During the battle phase…” so I can skip that shit faster. That combined with symbolizing Hard/soft opt, it’ll get a lot easier.
@AnIncomingBear
@AnIncomingBear 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly there is always a whole line of space after the [Monster Type/Card Type] that they can use for like small symbols that signify once per turns and other staple qualities of an effect.
@ShamanElementalLord
@ShamanElementalLord 2 жыл бұрын
Finally got around to watching this video after all this time, and have to say... Really great video, as per always!! just have a few additions on top of aforementioned things in this video that i feel would really insanely help for all players!! - Colorcode the cardtexts of monsters to make clear what part is the condition, another color for cost and a final color for effect - Highlight the limitations (if any) that a card has in a certain font, or in bold, or even in ALL CAPS, aslong as it's clear (for example CAN ONLY USE ONE OF BOTH EFFECTS OF THIS CARD) I feel, this , together with the summation marks as you brought to attention, would be an insanely huge help.
@whaletiger5591
@whaletiger5591 2 жыл бұрын
A thing that may help in addition to the formatting is a larger text box. The text box size has remained consistent throughout the history of the game, but over time the effects have become more complex and wordy (Relinquished and TER being exceptions, but effects as a whole). An additional line or two would help give lines more breathing space and increase legibility. The aesthetic of cards would definitely change, but it's just an idea to give more space for the R&D department to properly word their card effects.
@Hic_Sunt_Leones-o7v
@Hic_Sunt_Leones-o7v 2 жыл бұрын
It would definitely be better if they just marked each effect like the OCG. I know reprinting it would suck but it would help newer players. I however am totally fine I read books constantly and am constantly learning so reading card text is simple and quick for me. Until they have those old crappy wordings lmao that sht is hilarious.
@perryto7856
@perryto7856 2 жыл бұрын
They need to change the format of the cards: A small rectangular image above and then a big space for the text under, with Times New Roman 18 font XD
@addaine4019
@addaine4019 2 жыл бұрын
Well you talked about symbol you could use to say "negates spell/trap effect", "quick effect" ... and concluded it was difficult to relearn new symbols, but in fact you could use the smbol of quick play spells for quick effects and the symbol of the counter trap for those. Here in my example, yo u could entirely replace "(quick effedct)" by the symbol and the "if a spell or trap effect would be activated, you can negate it" by "can S/T effect [counter trap symbol]".
@BestgirlJordanfish
@BestgirlJordanfish Жыл бұрын
This makes it so hard to get into. You’re not just spending an eternity reading and remembering your own cards, and your opponent’s as well. Soooooo many other card games proved you don’t need this much text to say so much or sometimes even so little.
@PricefieldPunk
@PricefieldPunk 2 жыл бұрын
Thats what i like about Masterduel, if i were to duel in real life my opponent could just make up effects and id just trust them.
@kingkaratechop3978
@kingkaratechop3978 2 жыл бұрын
This is the reason I kind of fell out of yugioh. I miss the days when cards just had a line or two of text but when every card now has 17 paragraphs explaining 8 different effects, that's just way too much to keep up with
@adud6764
@adud6764 2 жыл бұрын
Keyword do not only shorten card texts, but they also give a certain framework in which you can create cards. If you can't express a card with a couple of keywords and a short additional text, then maybe it should not be a card in the first place.
@kurokage4440
@kurokage4440 2 жыл бұрын
I found an older version of Paladin of White Dragon who's card text despite being tiny nearly went over the line into the ATK and DEF
@WinterShorts0
@WinterShorts0 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, they already have a card like this in the mid-2000's: Rainbow Dragon's first printing in Tactical Evolution had bullet points on it and it described it's two effects. I guess it was technically a decision to pick between the two effects, but I don't feel it's the same as Lightning Storm where you had to pick an effect the moment you activated the card, moreso the text of "You can only use 1 "X card's name" effect once per turn, and only once that turn." Either way there's still that visual distinction that Rainbow Dragon clearly had 2 on-field effects.
@princenoreally
@princenoreally 2 жыл бұрын
With the best way to read pendulum cards is that the effects in the tiny box text is the pendulum scale effects and the box text under is the card effects
@thiagoventuradesousa7275
@thiagoventuradesousa7275 2 жыл бұрын
How delightful it is to read Endymion. It has 3 lines bigger than my thesis.
@Shadowbot074
@Shadowbot074 2 жыл бұрын
It’s like reading a book trying to understand what a card does. And the effects are hard to tell apart if it has multiple effects
@cohenmarioman
@cohenmarioman 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when Relinquished was first released you needed a magnifying glass to read the whole thing haha
@GodKiller97
@GodKiller97 2 жыл бұрын
Konami just needs to add keywords. Card text could be so much easier. That or make double-faced cards where one side has the artwork and the other side has the card text
@louisgalarza8222
@louisgalarza8222 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah as someone getting back into it it’s a little frustrating slowing down the duel to read
@IdentityChrist
@IdentityChrist 2 жыл бұрын
Very good points. If a card read: (1) and (2) are Unique. (1) Target 1 APS card in the GY, Special Summon it. (2) (Quick Effect) If a monster in the opponent's Monster Zone activates an effect: discard 1 APS card; negate the activation and destroy it. (3) Whenever a card is set: monsters your opponent controls lose 100 ATK. That would make it far easier to *begin* to read as people do tend to subconciously give up just like you said. I do wish we had this much text on just boss monsters and not combo pieces, because it's incredibly difficult to even parse the opposing strategy when playing against it for the first time.
@androiduser3895
@androiduser3895 6 ай бұрын
I've always liked the idea for (OPT) and (opt) to indicate a hard once per turn and a soft one. It saves on card text and makes it easier for people to know which is which, especially newer players.
@typical_doza
@typical_doza 2 жыл бұрын
I remember playing a match that the whole entire deck had monsters with paragraph texts. My opponent knew this and he used it to his advantage. Every time I asked what the monster does he would simple tell me to read it. Thank god I can speed read. My AP English classes came in handy.
@shakeweller
@shakeweller 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen people bring magnifying glasses to locals. Text on cards is extremely small
@ProjSHiNKiROU
@ProjSHiNKiROU 2 жыл бұрын
The computer code I work with are much more complicated than Yu-Gi-Oh card text, but programming languages are writen with indentations, and there is syntax highlighting when programmers read/write code. For future reprints, I prefer OCG numbered effects and bold/highlights for technical terms or macroscopic effect structure so it's easy to identify the categories of the effects from glance. If I were to reprint all cards, I would change PSCT conjunctions to symbols such as ->, && to indicate they have technical meanings and they separate different effects.
@tarvox14
@tarvox14 2 жыл бұрын
Like you said the bullet points or number system already helps a lot, I would like them to also add keywords like magic does. So many cards have similar effect and yet they just keep writing it all Just say "piercing", its the same thing as "when this monsters attacks a monster in defense position, during damage calculation, if your monster has higher attack than the opposing monster's defense, the opponent takes damage equal to the difference."
@urazoe8240
@urazoe8240 Жыл бұрын
You can only use the effect of "card name" once per turn, could simply be shortend to. All effects are once per turn. Activate "card name" once per turn. Activete only one "card name" per turn. one of my biggest problems is that to many words on the card end up not mattering. like unless its specificly adressing my opponent i dont need my card adressing me with "you can" one other thing i think would help alot, is if the would put key word in bold. Like "negate". when condition is meet, NEGATE target MONSTER EFFECT. so if i want to know if my opponents card negats, i cant quickly scan it. and since keywords are bold i can find then easy
@DavidEllner
@DavidEllner 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a video explaining Pendulum extra deck monsters, I like complex pendulum decks like D/D/D and Fusion Odd-Eyes, but when people see XYZ, Synchro, and even Fusion monsters with scales they get confused with placements and effect activation (like effects from proper summon).
@PsychoKern
@PsychoKern 2 жыл бұрын
Why you gotta do my boy Endymion dirty like that on the thumbnail :( He just loves collecting spell counters, just like me!
@xSacrollyd
@xSacrollyd 2 жыл бұрын
11:15 - there would need to be 4 distingishable symbols. Two for "This card" and "This cards name", and then two more for "use" and "activate". Even though, i also think in the end the OCG is already doing a lot better job than the TCG. How often does someone says "It's the second effect" and then you need to try to find that damn beginning of the sentence as fast as you can and end up reading everything thrice, because you overlooked it two times... The numbering alone would be such a great addition.
@Aldrickcerberus
@Aldrickcerberus 2 жыл бұрын
I normally ask what it does or a quick summary "it searches my deck" "it special summons this" ect then if they have a board I will ask effects and what they do (a big trust in them but luckily I only play locals/casual)
@28kingofkings
@28kingofkings 2 жыл бұрын
one of the reasons I switched to digital, the physical card text is gonna ruin my already fragile eyesight (keratoconus) anyway, I would love it if YuGIOh can implement symbols, key phrases or redesign the cards for maximum text space
@Neobelmont1
@Neobelmont1 2 жыл бұрын
the ocg made my head hurt. I actually had problems reading the effects due to how much text.
@yeollierancher
@yeollierancher Жыл бұрын
An even simpler solution, add a symbol next to the attribute like Spells do. X symbol = once per turn, and so forth.
@tyllisvfx
@tyllisvfx 2 жыл бұрын
my solution to this : decrease art size slightly to increase text box size and font size, then use a bulleted list on it's own line to separate each effect the problem in my opinion isn't with the amount of card text but with how it's so hard to read each effect individually. also I don't think it's too late to change it since things like problem solving card text came pretty late and wasn't a problem for cards that didn't have it since every card doesn't really need to be reprinted in a new format
@anasazmi8554
@anasazmi8554 2 жыл бұрын
OCG also has shortcuts for the various monster types we have, so Synchro, for example, would be shortened to S (with a tiny superscript saying Synchro for clarification). Kinda like what TCG did with GY and LP. It helps save space where possible considering Synchro and Pendulum are pretty long words to repeat and also helps visual readers do mental shortcuts.
@iatdtv4996
@iatdtv4996 2 жыл бұрын
Relinquished anyone? Literally had effects that couldn't be printed on the card due to room.
@KingUnKaged
@KingUnKaged 2 жыл бұрын
I worry that these formatting solutions, especially using bullet points on separate lines, would mean the font would need to get even smaller, when it's already miniscule.
@Jellysfrickingstuff
@Jellysfrickingstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Power creeping makes it necessary XD the options over time are either make the monsters have more attack points or give them crazy long effects
@ajbXYZcool
@ajbXYZcool Жыл бұрын
Or just don't power creep, introduce set rotation so you can change which type of stuff is strong in a particular season but the overall power level stays more balanced. *shrug*
@kateslate3228
@kateslate3228 2 жыл бұрын
Another formatting thing they could use. Use the numbers from the ocg, but in addition, have them be next to the card's type too. And then have a symbol next to each number signifying hard or soft once per turn. Like a circle next to the 1 ability is a soft OPT and a diamond is a HOPT
@robert907
@robert907 2 жыл бұрын
I think of cards where done in a bullet point style would be easier. For example •Once per turn only can do (insert here) •when destroyed by battle •can’t be special summoned from grave. Again just an example
@ducktail4068
@ducktail4068 2 жыл бұрын
alot of cards have basically the same sort of effect like searching or destruction or some common effect. problem is, its always dragged out in so many wortheless words for it to basically mean "search a card" or "pop a card". Instead it will say Add it from your deck to your hand. It could just say "Search *insert archetype* card" and it would be obvious that its telling us to add an archetype specific card from the deck to our hand, it just saves a few words which makes a difference.
@Karamuto
@Karamuto 2 жыл бұрын
Even vertical bars between the effexts instead of plain dots would already help a lot and wouldn't need more card space.
@darkiplier3502
@darkiplier3502 2 жыл бұрын
I hate when I’m trying to read a card and my opponent explains the effect as I’m reading it. I can’t comprehend either, just one or the other lmao
@Honeydew0567
@Honeydew0567 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, if they do it it takes me twice as long to understand what they just as I'm struggling to understand the text
@Rayquaza894
@Rayquaza894 2 жыл бұрын
Thats them telling to stop touching their cards btw. Usually done to ppl who look dirty
@Honeydew0567
@Honeydew0567 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rayquaza894 fair, it's not easy when your a new player or returning player when they do things like that, it's just a lack of patience from my experience
@Dr.Octavius2.5
@Dr.Octavius2.5 2 жыл бұрын
I agree completely. IO play master duel and i find myself timing out due to reading too much effects or losing because i didn't read the text right. Also, the wording can be confusing at times especially when there is numerous effects.
@leonardoluiz7487
@leonardoluiz7487 2 жыл бұрын
I think all suggestions you made were great. Here's one of mine: They could use bold text in some important "keywords" (such as Negate, Draw, destroy, search, summon, add, Quick eff...) so it's easier for the player to speed read to check if the opponent's cards can interact with the play you're planning to do or if you can / should interact with theirs. Let's say it's your turn and you want to know if your opponent have an interupt or negate: just look for the bold "Quick effect" and negate so you won't need to read the effects that don't apply to the situation. Then if you see a bold "negate" you can slow down and read the specifics. Just like that you can roughly know your opponent's monster have a search eff, a special summon eff and a pop much quicker even if you'll need to read the full effect to fully understand the card.
@MagusSin
@MagusSin 2 жыл бұрын
Yugioh card text is insane. I came back during Master Duel and just hated needing to read mini-novels every play.
@FingerboardStylez
@FingerboardStylez Жыл бұрын
coloring those bullet points for effects it can do during the opponents turn would be great as well, since thats the main things Im concerned with when trying to deal with the cards.
@Shugunou
@Shugunou Жыл бұрын
I think some more problem solving card text could work. They shortened "Graveyard" to "GY" and I think doing more of that could work. If specific types of special summoning had that instead, it could work. "FS" for Fusion Summoning, "SS" for Synchro Summoning, "XS" for XYZ Summoning, "RS" for Ritual Summoning, "PS" for Pendulum Summoning, and so on. That could save a lot of card text on certain cards. Alternatively, they could leave all of those the same and just make Special Summoning "SS" since it occurs more often. They could also some other abbreviations the OCG does like using "X" instead of "times". These could save space and be easier to read. The important thing with PSCT is that it has to be intuitive. You have to be able to guess what it means without being told. I think these changes would be able to do that.
@2shy2mosh
@2shy2mosh 5 ай бұрын
I've thought about playing in person but the text is so long sometimes and then you have to think about all the effects of that card. I play online because it makes it easier to read.
@apsamplifier
@apsamplifier 5 ай бұрын
Playing in-person isn't that bad as long as you keep it casual. During competition you better have effects memorized
@michaelh.1484
@michaelh.1484 Жыл бұрын
So I actually did an experiment and just to demonstrate I took the card "Eldlich the Golden Lord". I rewrote the entire card effect text. To communicate the same exact card effect deleting out unnecessary words & sentences. In fact even the symbol & = and. They don't even need to put the word and in, they can just use &. Anyways 56 words, 4 lines of text. Versus the original 96 words, 6 lines of text.
@midcoregamer7625
@midcoregamer7625 2 жыл бұрын
These days, I usually only play in simulators. This means I don't need to find a real opponent and don't need to worry about accidental illegal plays, but it also means I have to use a clunky interface whenever I want to check a card. I've been out of the physical game for years, so there are several entire strategies that I know literally nothing about. For me, checking "what is everything it does" quickly becomes less important than checking "what is it currently doing". Any physical YGO players have this same philosophy?
@bmcoyne88
@bmcoyne88 2 жыл бұрын
May not be as relevant now, but anyone else remember the old school printings of Relinquished from Magic Ruler or Starter Deck Pegasus? That was a near microscopic wall of text.
@shelbyramin1376
@shelbyramin1376 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched your video on having a hard once per turn rule change that applies to everybody. I even commented mentioning how it would provide an opportunity to create a new archetype that specializes in using abilities several times in a turn.
@BosSoxFan15
@BosSoxFan15 2 жыл бұрын
Keywords in Mtg are so useful just because you can slowly learn them over time when you first start playing. They are generally intuitive to their actual effect. for example. haste means the creature doesn't have summoning sickness and can immediately attack. Lifelink gives you like when it deals damage. Landfall means an effect triggers when you have a land come into play. As someone who plays a lot of mtg and some master duel it is so much easier and always has been easier to digest what new magic cards do compared to a new yugioh card.
@sirgrizzlypfote6369
@sirgrizzlypfote6369 2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for cards to even put text on the back
@NoName-cz3wn
@NoName-cz3wn 2 жыл бұрын
I think they could definitely errata the whole game's text if they wanted to. Just come up with a term for HOPT and SOPT, for a select few effects like Piercing, can't be targeted and can't be destroyed by battle, then just do your bullet point overhaul idea. I also think they should have some standardized notation for thinks like Toons or Geminis so you don't have to read the block of text we all know by heart just to read the actual effects. I feel like it makes us look like lesser players because if you're a Magic player, you can look at a card that could say "Reach, Haste, Trample, Lifelink, Deathtouch, First Strike" and know what all of that means.
@flovibe6950
@flovibe6950 2 жыл бұрын
The more text the more awesome!
@SeniorCharry
@SeniorCharry 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a casual YuGiOh player and a lot of the times I give up on reading cards and just take a chance. If I see a paragraph of texts I just assume the card will pop my field or negate my effects. So in a way I don't read.
@zfighter3
@zfighter3 2 жыл бұрын
I really believe we need keywords. Yugioh is way too combo heavy now. You can be forced to read multiple hundred word combos on some turns and try to understand timings for everything. People thought relinquished had too much text back in the day but now the game is being gatekept to new players by a new enemy called thousand-word restrict. Borderline impossible for me to get new players into this game when magic is more accessible on every level. Konami doesn't try to make things a nice experience for the players.
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