Yumi archer vs Longbowman ( same pop vs same resources ) age of empires 3 Definitive Edition

[@ismailmowsumow4056]

in definitive edition longbow best skirmisher

[@CazadorDeBrujas22]

Lonbows are better vs light cavalry and other light infantry, but the skirmishers are better vs heavy infantry.

[@jabbathetrump]

Yumi can kite, which is a major difference

[@gustavofelix3433]

if the golden pavilion is giving life instead of attacking both yumis and ashigaros win the trades (hp is always better than attack in aoeIII), and I miss the aura buff of explorers for japan too and drummers in brits .

[@Ransom444]

Both are very good, no matter which one you choose, you can't go wrong, this time we chose the damage buff, next time we will choose the hp buff, maybe the results will be different. As for the monk aura and drummers, some did not like it and said it would be unfair, claiming that it was not used much, so I removed it, but it has to be.

[@t4ntrumtf2]

​@@Ransom444in aoe 3 asian dynasties Japan golden pavillion upgrade ranged attack buff was better, but for the definitive edition the attack buff was nerfed whereas the hp upgrade was not so therefore generally the hp buff is better now

[@jakubmalinowski1474]

Wait, Golden pavilion in DE isnt buffing only gunpowder units now? Im pretty sure buttons description says so now. Played newest patch few days ago as japan

[@t4ntrumtf2]

@@jakubmalinowski1474 I think it is also yumi but not sure. Either way hp is better Because it gives more stats

[@pabloduarte1722]

As i always have said haha thanks for proving it... Longbow are super good and players say they are ok at best, while i always say yumi are a bit underpowered and dont need but might like a little buff, maybe in atk, since its an atcher, and their multiplier makes it so they are almost bad vs HI, actually is almost always better to go ashi vs HI even tough ashis are actually not as good as people think... If you compare yumi with longbow wich is quite accurtae, yumi could use a slight buff, but meanwhile everyone just keeps complaining about EVERY THING japan has, and its not fair, statistically makes no sense, and everyone complain about yumi and say they are broken, as all japan units, but longbow is even better while having more range, costing less, and needing much less cards, upgrades, and yumi get all the hage nad nerf and longbow no one says nothing, as always, british being OP, and not saying a word, while complaining of everything else... Ahhh, you know 😔

[@Ransom444]

3 rof is too much for an archer, definitely yumi's and jungle bowman's speeds should be increased. If this is not going to happen, a heavy infantry bonus should be added to yumi's range card, otherwise yumi is a bit weak at this time.

[@pabloduarte1722]

@@Ransom444 exactly, and in my opinion i rather yumi stick to it's 1.5 multiplier to be in pair with the longbow, but yeah, or more atk, or more rate of fire And i think is very easy to buff this, since pretty much all japanese military cards are quite bad, as they affect only one unit, i think the age 2 card is ok at +20% but the age 3 card is so bad, since an average age 3 card basically gives +15% HP and atk to all your infantry, while that one gives only +15% HP and +2 range to 1 unit... Makes absolutely no sense to me...

[@t4ntrumtf2]

Actually in real game yumi are better versus heavy infantry than longbow because their setup animation allows them to kite which longbow don't have, but yeah Japan is in a saddened state compared to the aoe 3 asian dynasties, not up there with the new civs and most euro civs anymore

[@Ransom444]

@@t4ntrumtf2 This is exactly why we need a buff. With the latest update, civs are becoming more differentiated and stronger, who would have thought that dutch will produce highlanders and fusiliers and many more powerful infantry like this, so the old units are naturally insufficient. That's why such units need to be strengthened. No matter how strong they seem to be, they look weak because of the power of other civs.

[@Ransom444]

@@pabloduarte1722 Japanese soldier buffs are really bad compared to today, each unit has a separate buff card. it would be better for the Japanese to have common buff cards instead and to have slightly more effective cards. every time an update comes, I feel like these old civs start to look weaker.

[@siirleringucuadina]

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[@lgtvsmart4078]

Lol, how come ashigaru won vs longbow. What is the point of archer counter? This is joke.

[@antenna_prolly]

Remember that Longbowmen have the range while their upgrade card Rangers have the damage.

[@jobennebur]

Wait why do musks win from archers???

[@Ransom444]

Archers are generally good at countering the light cavalry unit. infantry is better countered by the skirmisher unit. The attacks of the musketeers are very powerful and their range is short, so they cannot normally attack the archers, but in such a scenario it is natural for the musketeers to prevail over the archers. Under normal circumstances, musketeers die before they can get within attack range of the archers.

[@lgtvsmart4078]

Balance exposed, archer sucks vs ashigaru.

[@Ransom444]

After the thin red line nerf, we need to do this match again

[@AndresTorres-yo4xj]

Is because the range. Archers have more range in real battle you quite the enemy attacks. Red coats won too. Mine inf is good against all