Yuuichi Katagiri vs Ciel Phantomive | Tomodachi Game vs Black Butler | full-scale comparison

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[@Lord_of_cap]

perceptual reasoning to Yuuichi should have been conceptual reasoning, my bad🙏also strategy complexity to Ciel

[@JustJack6719]

Bro keeps dropping Yuuichi’s IQ at least give my boy above 140

[@bored0]

W take. Man, I haven't seen Black Butler in so long. Glad to see a edit on it

[@Hugm4l]

Again Johan vs Makishima in everything

[@Uselessloserwhoshouldkms]

W Edit+W Takes fr fr

[@GXTHIE]

Imma be reading the Black Butler mangas once I collect them all

[@minhquan0514]

Where did you get the information about the characters' IQ? I've read the entire Tomodachi game but haven't seen the author reveal his IQ

[@beargamingyo4581]

Its only predictions based on statements and feats of theses , theses Numbers are not officials

[@minhquan0514]

@@beargamingyo4581 Oh, but by what you said, I do not think Ciel Phantomive can smarter than Yuuichi Katagiri (by all feats and statement). Yuuichi proves to be elusive and a master manipulator. It's very difficult to beat him

[@beargamingyo4581]

@@minhquan0514 Honestly i don't know Ciel Has immense potential and by What i have seen from black buttler ( so not that much) he has an decent deduction and EQ but its true that Yuuichi is also smart asf so idk i will stay quiet on this debate since i don't have enough knowledge of Ciel for debating

[@akzuuzumaki780]

​@@beargamingyo4581Ciel just have average EQ and deduction, he is fodder. Idk about his IQ he is probably little about average but definitely bot 160 IQ and even if he is, he is still a fodder in outsmarting because IQ is useless in outsmarting if you didn't use it for S tier prediction/anticipation, strategy/planning, deception and déduction.

[@RascalButa]

Haven’t seen Black butler yet but W🥶

[@HanhHoang-cf2px]

my boy Ciel 😭😭💙💙💜💜

[@Krabka]

The image above is not Ciel, it's his brother 😭

[@Lord_of_cap]

there were not enough images for Ciel😅

[@Krabka]

@@Lord_of_cap understood but still this is completely different character 🙈

[@crusher-gk5zo]

W take + W nicknames :)

[@alexsharm91119]

Another W edit 🔥, I like Yuuichi the most, but I need to watch Black Butler, so can't argue🙃, only thing I want to say is that Yuuichi's IQ is 145-155 something like that imo

[@vortexvortex580]

In my opinion yuichi is now on end manga thanks to his feat around 164 iq and when he is a Kid he is around 95 to 110 beacuse of his feats in the childhood mabe 120 because he create tomodachi game and outsmart normal people like nothing and he use his manipulative skill to manipulate them to the tomodachi game thrn i say he is araund as a Kid 120 iq

[@alexsharm91119]

@@vortexvortex580kid was at least 140 imo, creating tomodachi tg is crazy fri + creativity feat. And to like really outsmart normal people you need to be gifted, I don't think that above average's are able to do that at all

[@vortexvortex580]

@@alexsharm91119 yes I think cretors of shorts give yuichi low ig but he have genius +iq to me

[@alexsharm91119]

@@vortexvortex580 kk in his new video had Yuuichi > Takuya in IQ, that's valid🔥

[@vortexvortex580]

@@alexsharm91119 yuichi is the goat

[@cleax2536]

Do you want to debate this? There are a variety of categories that should go to Yuuichi here imo.

[@Lord_of_cap]

sure, which points would you give to Yuuichi? it's normal that our takes are different, our scaling are pretty different too

[@cleax2536]

@@Lord_of_cap First of all, Nowhere is it stated that Yuuichi has an IQ of 138, So that assumption should be stopped. Firstly, Would you explain why does PSI + VCI + FRI goes to Ciel? You gave PRI to Ciel but you gave Perceptual Reasoning to Yuuichi which is literally the same thing. Can you also explain why Crystallized Intelligence, Strategic Deception, Verbal Deception, Logical Manipulation, Info Control, Overall Planning, Strategy Success-Rate, Overall Strategy, Deductive Reasoning, Inductive Reasoning, Logical Reasoning, Verbal Reasoning, Overall Reasoning, Faster Thinking, Strategic Thinking, Associative Thinking, Abstract Thinking, Overall Thinking, Observation, Connecting the Dots goes to Ciel?

[@Lord_of_cap]

since it is you who disputes this you should be the first pwr to bring arguments to disassemble it, moreover how should the estimation of the IQ of the characters be stopped a priori? the estimates may be more or less accurate, but an FSIQ without a number is useless. Ciel is a prodigy in almost every subject he has ever approached, he already knows three languages and has an excellent language and literary education and is an avid reader, his VCI scales much higher both as a crystallized and as a fluid with respect to Yuuichi, FRI I don't even use it as an index and PSI is easily Ciel's given the correlation with WMI, with the other indexes and the absence of a greater proof of Yuuichi. Most of the other disputed points (literally detective reasoning, connecting the dots, strategic deception, logical reasoning, inductive reasoning, observation, associative thinking) honestly don't need arguments, they are clear even just by watching the anime, book of murder and circle are enough, you don't even need manga Ciel. Ciel has an innate detective ability, the story focuses on solving various mysteries, many of which are more complex than any TG game. Perceptual reasoning to Yuuichi is an error, I didn't notice, it should have been conceptual reasoning

[@cleax2536]

@@Lord_of_cap I never said I'm against it, I just said that there are no definite IQ numbers given for Yuuichi so how exactly can we calculate Yuuichi's IQ? For VCI, The part you mentioned only covers Vocabulary and Information. Comprehension and Similarities subtests are more important for VCI. As for Crystallized Intelligence, Throughout the series, 90% of Yuuichi's feats are literally based on his Crystallized Intelligence. Crystallized Intelligence is related to Application Thinking which Yuuichi takes it because of the tactics he learned from Taizen. You gave PRI to Ciel though? PRI is literally VSI + FRI and what are Ciel's feats in FRI and VSI? How exactly does PSI goes to Ciel? WMI is not correlated to PSI. They are not so correlated that if a character gets WMI they'll also get PSI if they are featless or don't have impressive feats in PSI. You can't use the reasoning that "The argument that you used for Deductive Reasoning, Connecting the Dots, Logical Reasoning, Observation, Associative Thinking don't need arguments, It's clear by watching the anime". That's not an argument as to why these points go to Ciel. Lok at Lelouch, Everyone saw the anime but they were legit calling him a Mello or Near victim but when his feats were analyzed properly, He got upscaled so much. I'm just saying that you can't use that reasoning as an argument to prove that Ciel > Yuuichi in all those categories I had mentioned. We'll see whether you'd need Manga Ciel or no when you present arguments as to why he gets those points. Oh alright, My bad haha.

[@Lord_of_cap]

@@cleax2536 how can you say that PSI and WMI are not correlated😭just like all other indexes are, it is the basis of the FSIQ. a character's IQ is calculated using feats, statements, narratives, personalities, comparisons with real IQs, etc. I honestly don't want to waste hours listing every Ciel feat, and that's quite a lot since the manga has 30 volumes, statements and narrative components in a debate that should be obvious to anyone who has read the work (because the difference between Yuuichi and Ciel in those points is overabundant, who would ever debate whether Yuuichi can compete with Light in deduction?). Give me just one reason why understanding and similarities shouldn't also go to Ciel, since they are directly correlated with vocabulary and information? the whole argument is based on the fact that you use a different sclaing system where without a precise feat nothing can be done, different system=different takes

[@GoatOfCaps]

The creativity of ur takes & Editing even from Capcut always amazes me fr🐿️ Completely forgot black butler but... I feel like Yuuichi could win Ext diffs.🤝

[@Lord_of_cap]

thanks🙏btw fair opinion

[@Hugm4lsecondaccount]

Lla for the smart character writing tournament could you add Kiritsugu Emiya to the wheel

[@Lord_of_cap]

from?

[@wichates9585]

@@Lord_of_cap Fate/Zero

[@rimurusensei7]

"17 years - 138 IQ" 💀 It sounds humiliating ngl

[@Lord_of_cap]

average IQ for 17 yo is like 95, how can it be humiliating😭

[@SCD_Recommendation_SecretIsSad]

No it doesn't . IQ isnt everything about outsmarting ... Most of the smart characters in WIS debates win against characters with higher IQ

[@rimurusensei7]

@@Lord_of_cap /for wis standards/ ofc

[@Idk_imagine_a_cool_name]

@@Lord_of_capshouldn’t it be 100?

[@Lord_of_cap]

@@Idk_imagine_a_cool_name at 17 yo you haven't already reached your final IQ

[@Synchro-tq1mo]

Yuuichi eats this shota for dinner

[@Hiroshishigami-uz1gc]

Yuuchi cool faces lol

[@DemonkingAllparty]

Anos:Ciel you never told me that you're that much smart Sebastian:Lord is smart because he actually manipulated me and outsmart me.

[@hoot_owl]

Anos? there is not anos lol

[@lordtrophies]

Ciel outplayed an actual demon, yuuichi ain’t winning 🤭

[@Kamilistgud]

If she a demon then yuuichi is the father of the demon

[@TheHandofDestiny]

That's it? I think The Devil surpasses that

[@Animelover0807]

How is that a good feat?

[@DarcronWasTaken]

How is that a good feat again?

[@yuikoji69]

How is that a good feat again and again??

[@gaiasfoster3039]

Yuuichi takes All and Ciel isn't 160 iq

[@WalterJ.Moriarty]

And Yuuichi’s IQ is 156 not 138 just because he isn’t academic doesn’t mean his IQ isn’t High

[@vortexvortex580]

Tahts true i think yuichi win high extreme diff

[@akzuuzumaki780]

​@@vortexvortex580no? Mid diff at best to be kind. Otherwise, what are ciel feats pls ?

[@Drastic0]

Should I watch Black Butler? Is it good?

[@Lord_of_cap]

watch season 1 and the three books (circle, murder and atlantic), season 2 is totally filler

[@ghostlyolive]

YES

[@GXTHIE]

Read the manga only

[@KrayPol]

Bro said yuuichi has 138 iq And kaguya 150 This guy is smoking something Yuuichi iq : 180 Kaguya : 135 Disagree = cry about it

[@Light_4544]

i only see junko, L BB, Light and Mello victims fighting

[@mehmetonatyldz7176]

wdym melo n light ciel solos all wtf 💀

[@MC_Guy]

Yuichii got victimized again 💀🌚

[@I-Am-SID]

And I thought yuuichi I'd gonna get a rare W 🗿 WWA strikes again(your name dosent deserves L)❤

[@Lord_of_cap]

😭🙏

[@redpookemon]

W edit but Yuuichi slams this Sebastian vicitm

[@H3LL0FR1END5]

*I like seeing people like Yuuichi getting outsmarted by a kid.* *And also I've been wanting to watch Black butler, but now I have a good reason to watch it.*

[@GoatOfCaps]

Lol why...

[@H3LL0FR1END5]

@@GoatOfCaps *Like I feel like you're getting disrespected, I don't know why.*

[@GoatOfCaps]

@@H3LL0FR1END5 Nah... I was just asking that do u like to see smart underrated characters getting recognised or do u not like Lunatic types of MC much. Nothing more nothing less...

[@H3LL0FR1END5]

@GoatOfCaps *I like both, I like underrated characters getting recognized (for example, Lelouch getting recognized, but i feel like it's too much), and Lunatic characters*

[@GoatOfCaps]

@@H3LL0FR1END5 🤝

[@hoppikgamer]

138 iq?!?!? :ASDaSDA.dDaD:aDasdşasdaSDad

[@hoppikgamer]

[@just_enargon]

Ciel is so underrated

[@toxic_ks]

138 iq?

[@NakaCarl]

This editor is bad in this field, his opinions are bad and extremely foolish and not suitable for a rational editor

[@SomeguywithNoenemies]

Yuuichi'e iq is 145

[@pioncatur.]

Lol ciel

[@lucastomaz7422]

L

[@akzuuzumaki780]

Bruh ciel is fodder, whare are ciel feats ???

[@Lord_of_cap]

you don't know him and you're calling him a fodder

[@NOMARKs]

​@@Lord_of_caplmao 🤣, Ciel bullies that fodder