Zappa Talk with Infrasteff

[@MarcelloDiLorenzo]

It’s always a pleasure to learn about Zappa’s compositional techniques! The Zappa I love the most is the one from 1986-93. It would be wonderful, for me, if you analyzed some of his works made with _Synclavier_ ... Thank you and have a good evening!

[@thierrymfe1010]

Thank you for this video, Zappa's music is so fascinating, it's always interesting to hear about it, there is always something new that allows you to understand how he went about composing. Best regards

[@ChananHanspal]

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[@MaxFury_Official]

10:25 I promise i...Won't mention the title...Can we all appreciate how great of a title that was!? Hillarious! My 'Stick It In' isn't even close! But i believe he would have liked it. How i sing seriously, yet have controversial lyrics about the current dating market and making fun of the common sayings online about it.

[@JohnLloydDavis]

I always enjoyed hearing Chanan's insights but hearing Steph's as well is such a bonus. Not only is the discussion amazing but there's video clips I've not seen before :)

[@ChananHanspal]

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[@lousekoya1803]

Thank you from Quebec !

[@ChananHanspal]

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[@lousekoya1803]

@@ChananHanspal Just discovered Pink Napkins because of you ! Thank you so much !

[@jonlee7269]

I would love to hear Chanan break down some of Mike Kennelly's music

[@fzmisty7579]

Thanks a million!

[@ChananHanspal]

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[@fzmisty7579]

​@@ChananHanspalHi Chanan! You mentioned Cucamonga as your favorite tune, is there any chance to hear this really amazing tune in your guitar arrangement?

[@ChananHanspal]

@@fzmisty7579 Hi there, I have thought about approaching it and I just might have to do it now. Best wishes!

[@fzmisty7579]

​@@ChananHanspalOh, great to know! Thank you!

[@gianniiacopini9864]

This is something

[@music-is-the-best4295]

Thanks a lot for sharing

[@ChananHanspal]

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[@Rhino873]

Would you consider doing an analysis on the perfect stranger???

[@BAKA-i2x]

Hello Chanan - I watched the "was FZ Tone Deaf" a while back and thought "hang on though - what about ...(see below)" - not been back to check that one but a similar thing here.... the section about the him lacking the apparently strictly necessary tool in your cognitive toolbox, namely Absolute Pitch, and yet somehow being able to "hear the whole thing in your head" , high speed setting down on paper on the bus/plane etc away from all instruments. I imagine you have considered all this, but the impression on the videos at least is, no Absolute Pitch , then FZ must at least for much of the time been putting the stuff down on the paper using his music theory knowledge; this is a modification of something I did previously so likely to work etc - and only after the fact being able to really verify what it sounded like. ..however, what about the Relative Pitch/ Functional Hearing possibility. I'm no FZ "biographical obsessive" but certainly the impression you get from books, interviews etc. he very extensively "autodydacted" in his school and college libraries etc., and also more involved in the programmed school music activities than many people might assume. So it seems quite likely that he came across what what might be called Conventional Formal Ear Training., possibly interval training, solfege singing etc quite early on. An idea that struck me, having encountered the Charlie Bamacos stuff and the W.A Mathieu "Harmonic Experience" where, rather than the step by step interval approach, you learn to hear the particular "phenomenological character" of particular notes in the context of a tonal centre, eg. of a 5/4 major third ..(which ultimately can become a really quite strong impression which just does itself... verging on the way a colour just presents without you having to do anything) ....given that FZ seemed to be listening to a lot of world music from school library, Arabic, Indian etc in the "Dronal Tradition", and presumably trying to emulate this on the guitar etc. quite possibly ,whether due to a conscious training enterprise or just spontaneously over time, he developed a great facility in this respect, and could hear the music in his head in this respect rather than "rubbing his Absolute Pitch Alladinn" ..I doubt this is an original insight, probably some pHDs about it somewhere... but imagine that it were, then one/ you could revisit the scores and see how many of the passages , even if apparently very "complex", turn out to have fairly extended sections where the tonal centre is stable and being able to readily (at will), "internally invoke" any of the 12-chromatic tones, he would in fact have an ability that would be "nearly" as useful as being able to mentally invoke tones using Absolute Pitch - then that could in fact account for how the passages were composed "in the head". - switching the tonal centre at various points obviously. ..which leads to another thing, which I've not been able to get answer to, being a isolated bedroom-dabbler - everyone emphasises for Absolute Pitch, the innateness, genetic aspect of it etc, only 1 in 10,000 etc The Savants mostly do seem to have it...but perhaps you will know being a music educator, - quite possibly there are people who in a similar fashion are innately pre-disposed to almost spontaneously developing what would be regarded as an Advanced Relative Pitch skill as soon as they are exposed to either simply enough music in general, or encountering ear-training for the first time ....maybe FZ falls into this category - he did not have to do much ear-training slogging for it to kick in way above average. Different theme : the Uniqueness of Gregary Peckory / the Billy the Mountain kind of thing. . not to detract from from FZ in any way (since even given what I'm about to say still hardly anyone could have turned out the finished articles) I've often wondered if you had some some kind of Magical Music Device that could just connect with all music ..( something like from that sci-fi DEVS series) how much of FZ music would turn out to be "maybe modified/ improved but FRANKly speaking Ripped-Off".... and then you can always play the Parody/Pastiche card. (somewhere in YCDTOSA YEARS ago I remember doulble-taking.. didn't I just hear that whole passage on a Headhunters LP a couple of days ago!) Who gets music royalities for Hey Punk...FZtrust or somebody from Love, (or whoever Love ripped it off from!) I picked up from some biography or real FZ book that in early days there was quite a lot of FZ and Jim Morrison by accident probably rather than design "overlap".. parties, dossing at same house etc. Then some years later watching an old carboot sale acquired Doors VHS which might still be buried in cupboard somewhere- it included a sequence of what appeared to be pre-concert footage, backstage room with piano in it where Jim Morrison comes in and just "on a whim" starts "knoodling/ improvising" some pretty individual/novel impressive harmonic stuff if you thought he was just a singer rather than also instrumentalist with "poetic vocalising" on top - IT JUST IMMEDIATELY HIT ME.... AH ! Now I see , so Frank actually just Ripped-that_Stylistic-Concept of from Jim Morrison. - he saw Jim doing it "parlour entertainment" at some house - maybe very tactically thought "file that one but do not deploy until the suitable "the connection less likely to be made" interval has elapsed. I can see there are some Jim Morrison playing piano videos on KZbin which are the the same ballpark - now I've recalled this I ll try and dig out the VHS... maybe this is in fact a "Not-Unfounded but Wrong Suspicion" Very obviously I have not acquired Tweet/Twitter brevity skills, but hopefully Chanon, somebody else maybe something of interest Certainly any "ear-training" musician who does not yet know of W.A. Mathieu "Harmonic Experience" you are probably missing out

[@m.vonhollen6673]

Too long to read … life is short.

[@mikefolz3765]

Where can I find the clip of the second Tommy Mars solo at 17:40? I have searched and do not know where it came from. I have the Baby Snakes DVD with solos from "Pound For A Brown" I Would love to see a longer clip of that second solo. Thanks! Love the talk and info.

[@ChananHanspal]

The footage is from Zappa's concert in 1980 at Palais des Sports, Paris, France. Most footage of this concert, or at least this part of the concert is poor quality. Glad you enjoyed the talk and thanks for watching!

[@denmorris8384]

Fascinating content, but the echoey, muffled audio from the distant microphone detracted from the experience. Next time, please a couple lavalieres. Thanks.

[@ChananHanspal]

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[@joda4063]

Vai did he do it 05:29 😅

[@jeffbrett7849]

BONGO FURY was my gateway album when ai was 15. Debra Kadabra TERRIFIED me when it came blasting out of the speakers! I was forever changed after that record. Zappa RUINED all other music for me after that.

[@winstonschwarz1636]

Who is this bloke FFS?