Ambush Rogue Leveling Build Classic Wow

[@Zatar]

I weapon swapped while leveling with a macro to get the most out of hemo when it wasn't worth backstabbing. I reccomend you do the same.

[@nerdwhitenerd]

Can you explain this a bit more?

[@tedofuentes6525]

@@nerdwhitenerd you need a dagger in your main hand to use backstab/ambush ect. So You use a weapon swap macro to to quickly put a dagger into your main hand and then cast backstab or ambush. Then you would have another macro on sinister strike or in this case hemorrhage to swap back your sword with a higher top end dmg because SS and hemo scale off weapon dmg.

[@sadrysadry4593]

i know is old but waht is your swap weapon macro ?

[@Zatar]

/equipslot 16 mainhandweaponname /equipslot 17 offhandweaponname

[@Gabe12P]

@@Zatar Can also bake it into the ability itself with /cast

[@TheSniperWolf38]

Used this build through my first classic chatacter. I had more fun then I've ever had on a rogue. Gj. Well done.

[@dmlanearjr]

So did I! So fun for spanking casters. It lead me into being the token hemo rogue for my raid team.

[@mikepickering4209]

@@dmlanearjr Yes indeed very balance build i must say :D

[@jamiehav0k62]

This is a great build i'm using similar, its great for pvp taking off half of someones life with a single ambush, fun for leveling in general, and im frequently top dps in dungeons. Ambush daggers for leveling is deffinitly underrated.

Lots of people in the comments bashing this in depth set up. It works great and any rogue worth his salt should be ready for PvP. Stick with combat for pure pve but that doesn't translate to PvP situations. It's about fun not getting to 60 right away. Derp.

[@brintondeighton3634]

really fun leveling build! you one shot stuff 3-4 levels below you. super fast build for grinding mobs. feels like a rogue instead of an agile warrior!

[@Acronoss1234]

Def running this build when I’m gonna lvl my rogue

[@maxtaylor359]

Loving this spec. swapped to it from combat swords

[@zlobert9877]

Me too,and this spec is killer

[@osamaabuabed6215]

Im lvl 46 combat sword rogue , should i switch is it more fun?

[@nathanscottsmall]

When 60 you can get muggers belt and a dagger from DM west which boost daggers by like 10 or so so you could save your self some talent points there

[@thooperhero]

Starting up my 2nd Chance Vanilla grind in October ~ I have always wanted to lvl rogue for the beauty of Subtlety ~ but all the basics only talk / run Combat . You have given me the confidence & direction to embrace the shadows . I will be first-run lvling Subtlety Rogue . Thank you ~ #BigCritsBaby

[@Nustumb1993]

Thooper DONG уou are not ther first)) i already playing this spec) and its really funny) but you need good daggers as he said

[@Citizen_JQP]

Been loving it. Sub life! Pure daggers

[@aaakitsune]

If you gonna level as a ambush dagger rogue, you might aswell just try to have fun and put all your eggs into one basket. Make ambush do as much damage as possible trough talents and constantly look to get a slow dungeon dagger upgrade in main hand when they are possible. Classic offers you the fun of OHKO wich no longer exist in retail!

[@pogchamp8638]

Subbed and like your channel is very underrated, recommending it to all my guildies

[@Paradox2o9]

i feel like i kill things so fast that i dnt even need hemo xD i just went improve evis and the quest mobs usually die from 1 ambush/ss/evis combo , great vid man keep it up!

[@skills177]

This actually helpmed me a lot, Good Job You got yourself a Sub! Keep up the good work bro!

[@jeremycarey425]

Well done! I like big crits, what can I say.

[@dimostramdriver]

About fucking time someone posted this. Ambush level spec is King. Invest in good daggers and gear and watch those numbers.. I rolled this spec on lightshope and slew... I've run all 4 specs. This is the best fun by far. Plus rogues daggers for rp

[@viewer54322]

trying this in wow classic era as a new player. Was concerned itd hurt my dps if I am grouping but I think the key may be to try and time it so I deliver the killing blow on a monster so that I can get the remorse buff.

[@100timezcooler]

im trying to do a dagger only run in hc. cant find a decent weapon progression but this build walkthough is super useful

[@Bigbadwolfanderson]

I like the idea of not using swords also ! Seemed so plain to me as I love the dagger specs , I’m rocking a ass/sub hybrid that just melts mobs and does great in pvp!

[@ellescer]

I've always thought about mixing up combat and sub. People usually go assasination and combat for pve and ambush with sub for pvp, by then what about mixing up the two outliers

[@SuperSnurk]

Love the work you have put into this build! I have leveled a rogue many times and never thought of this type of leveling strategy. Just one thought, instead of going all the way up to hemorrhage, wouldnt it be worth stopping at serrated blades or even ambush and start going into the combat tree faster? I mean you miss out on prep, but combat tree got so valuable talents like imp gouge, imp backstab and blade flurry and instead doing Sinister strike instead of hemorrhage? You have the experience of this build so would be awesome to hear your thoughts about this!

[@Zatar]

Hemo is really good if your weapon swap and prep is broken in pvp. If you are not pvping at all while leveling you can go to combat faster, but since you are so close to hemo + prep it is worth to get them.

[@Ghost-fe1vp]

I'm gonna give this a go currently leveling a rogue w/ some really nice gear i may not be a swordy boy after all

[@Ghost-fe1vp]

Currently l42 works really well if you are geared/overleveled. I have pretty much no downtime by ambush into gouge into backstab/ evis. you get hit twice per fight.

[@SuperMikeFender]

It doesn't get much more devastating and satisfying in PvP to ambush, backstab, gouge, vanish, ambush, prep, ambush, backstab. If you pull that off, they won't survive. Cloth wearers will rarely survive half of that sequence.

[@JimboRustles]

How do you do backstab after ambush, that's 120 energy by that time the other player must have turned around?

[@Zatar]

You can keep moving behind them. This is especially easy if they are slowed with crippling poison.

[@vedsj6091]

Is it worth to rush Malice before dagger spec if u don't mind having blade flurry? Because Dagger spec crit don't apply to say Hemo /special attack's when using a slow MH , sword

[@Zatar]

Malice is better than dagger spec if you don’t want to continue down combat tree

[@vedsj6091]

@@Zatar Yeh, been thinking i'd rather have dirty deeds ,initiative. There's alot of PvP in classic RN so i'm gonna sac a little crit

[@TeslaRifle]

im trying this on a new character now. What melee rotation do you tend to use once you backstab/ambush?

[@Jinir]

Trying to make this work...could you give me a basic example on a mob of equal level how you would go about using skills? I use ambush, auto a few times let energy come back, garrote into backstab, typically use one hemo and then eviscerte to down a mob. I find this all works well for equal level range, and especially if they are humanoid as undead I can just cannibalize if I am taking extra damage etc but I am wondering if my approach is right or if anyone else has input.

[@Zatar]

I usually ambush -> gouge -> backstab -> hemo -> gouge -> backstab -> eviscerate. If the mob is a caster they usually do not even require this much and die in a few skills. I don't use kidney shot too much until rank 2, but you can do Ambush-> gouge -> backstab -> kidney shot -> backstab -> backstab also.

[@nerdwhitenerd]

Any tips on what skills to learn at the rogue trainer? What are the MUST HAVE skills for this build and what can i save for later? Learning all the skills is draining on the gold lol

[@Zatar]

Backstab, ambush, Sinister strike, stealth, kidney shot, eviscerate, Sprint, and slice and dice. And of course pick up vanish cheap shot and blind. I would recommend picking up rank one of these skills but you do not need to get the further ranks: gouge, kick. You use nearly every Rogue skill at end game, but those are the skills I would suggest you get for leveling.

[@k4ck4gep]

Orly, great, thanks man! Very good job. Waiting for your vision about dagger spec pre raid and end game ( backstab /ambush / hemo ) please. Give u a cookie 🍪

[@Chariots4010]

This build + badlands at lvl 42 is like being at a one shot, all you can eat buffet

[@Dredion]

I don't get the Blade Flurry part if you are bursting down single targets. Doesn't seem like it would get much use to me. It's just a white damage speed buff that stacks with SnD and you white damage one other target. Seems good for sword rogs, but would it really help a dagger guy?

[@Zatar]

While leveling it is definitely worse than swords, but at ~55 when you get it, you are likely going to be doing a lot of dungeons, and it's really food in there.

[@Dredion]

@@Zatar Ah ok, that makes total sense. Are you still rolling with this spec?

[@tlifo]

Thanks! What about PvP? Is it a good spec to PvP? If not, what spec do you use?

[@Zatar]

This is a leveling spec is very good for PVP, but if you are 60 there are better PVP builds.

[@bmcash09]

Would you make any changes to the leveling talent order for Classic Hardcore? I’m wondering if I should pick up any points of master or deception or not for Official hardcore or not. Thank you.

[@Zatar]

Not necessary if you use distract wisely, especially if you are at or above the level of enemies you stealth by. Spec works great for hardcore

[@drowseydragon4840]

Can you link builds for pve daggers and pvp daggers? I am brand new to rogue and am using this spec while leveling. Great video!

[@talktomygnasher4634]

Keep in mind you only have a 20sec window for 40% bonus crit so exposing yourself will happen if you want max crit if your higher level your better off with cold blood daggers imo but this is pretty cool for lvling/world pvp defense at the same time considering everyone says combat for lvling I actually like this idea I’m just saying it does have its cons

[@Zatar]

If you are attacking green enemies it's actually really easy to maintain the buff.

[@talktomygnasher4634]

Zatar true true im am actually in a pickle which is why I’ve come to your video I really like this idea everyone says go combat for leveling but I prefer a spec that involves good dmg but also world pvp defense to hold your own. What tree would you recommend I choose for that ? I’m lvl 13 and haven’t spent any points yet was considering going for remorse killing 2/2 first what do you think ?

[@talktomygnasher4634]

I can do it easy on mage I do a mix of shatter and aoe stuff Incase I wanna aoe grind but still defend myself in pvp trying to do the same with rogue but I’m just not knowledgeable was thinking of doing dagger cold blood

[@talktomygnasher4634]

Zatar you mention a good point tho about switching to swords after you use a dagger opener... is using a dagger and sword even a thing ? Like switching them out for when you ambush and back stab ? Then go back to 2 swords for sustain ?

[@Zatar]

The weapon swap it's something I did all the way up till 60. You can make a macro that switches to a dagger before backstab, and macros that switch to sword before Sinister strike. Put /equipslot 16 swordname Before the ability. For main hand, slot 17 is off hand. It really depends on if you care about leveling fast. The second rogue I leveled to 60 in classic was combat maces. You can pick up some really good maces on the auction house, actually much cheaper than swords. The mace spec Talent starting in the 30s actually makes you much better in PvP while still having all the pros of leveling as combat swords. It's also more fun imo.

[@xbigwill360x]

Love the build. I just specced this at 40 from Combat swords and see how fun it really is! Why take improved backstab though? If you open with ambush, you cant get behind your target, right? Or am I missing something? Its my first Rogue.

[@Zatar]

In pvp and dungeons you can get behind your target easily. While leveling you can gouge, or kidney shot to allow yourself to get behind the enemy.

[@xbigwill360x]

@@Zatar Ahhhhh got it. Thank you!

[@andrewstark1320]

I love this build, having a ton of fun with it. I'm interested in your opinion on this: what do you think about picking 5/5 dual wield spec instead of dagger spec? would that help to shift the build a little more towards pve? pros and cons? Thank you very much.

[@chomplu]

9:06

[@Maybury_TK]

Im looking to gank a lot whilst leveling, is Master of Deception worth putting points in for that reason?

[@Zatar]

No, shouldn’t need it

[@Ghost-dy9sf]

4:12 what do you mean there, choose the talent you don't want first?

[@dzonatangavert1408]

So how devastating you think Blade Furry > Stealth > Ambush > Vanish > Ambush > Evi would be?

[@Zatar]

Not as good as you would think. The vanish will stop some of your auto attacks. Negating blade flurry. If you want to do openers like that you can play Cold Blood daggers or seal fate. Either way you can Cold blood the evisc at the end and do a lot of damage. Also both specs have talents that can increase the amount of combo points you generate with ambush.

[@Zatar]

Lol I realize now you are talking about aoe and not PVP. It will be a big burst in dungeons. Bf ambush is really fun.

[@dimadering4494]

This is my first time playing a rogue. Is there a rota or priority list for this somewhere?

[@Zatar]

It’s more about builder spender. Build comp points for eviscerate using sinister strike, backstab or hemorrhage.

[@JasonVentures]

can you show ur action bar set up for this build maybe some gameplay also ?

[@peris991]

where can i see the points that i spend per level??

[@markwick11]

do you have a lvl 60 build also? whats diff?

[@lemonheader]

is it better to spam backstabs in dungeons over hemo?

[@Zatar]

Depending on how many physical damage dealers you have it can be worth keeping up. A good rule of thumb is to use it if the debuff is expiring due to the 30 charges running out. That way you know the effect is being used.

[@thevlaka]

you never use hemo with daggers unless using a weapon swap macro.

[@somepleb9943]

do you still use slice and dice with this build?

[@jacobrothhaar8181]

is going hemo still worth it if i dont swap to a sword?

[@Zatar]

It’s okay, but your hemo won’t hit very hard

[@dylanamira3227]

Would you run this in hc wow?

[@tha_jordy2218]

Is it with this build fastest weapon in maindhand and slowest in offhand or otherway around? And what poison do i use on which weapon? really couldnt figure it out

[@Zatar]

You want the weapon that has higher weapon damage in the main hand for more Ambush damage. I usually use double instant leveling. If I'm fighting Elites I will use double crippling for kiting

[@DavidM-hz6rd]

I'm pretty curious about this spec as I'd like to level a rogue alt at some point. What's the play style for mobs? Do you just ambush and then switch to your sword and use hemo?

[@Zatar]

It changes depending on what you are fighting and what weapons you have, which makes the build fun. If you have a good slow weapon, you swap to that after ambushing. But you also can gouge and backstab. It feels slower, but you have to bandage and eat less since you're going to take less damage. Once you get improved backstab you will pretty much only switch to a slower weapon if there are two enemies on you.

[@jarosław_nowak]

Hi, can You write the rotation for this build, Thx

[@Zatar]

Ambush -> 2-3 hemos (wep swap macro included) -> eviscerate

[@fd7854]

Do you carry swords and daggers in your bags?

[@Zatar]

I do carry a slow non-dagger to use in the main hand when I can't backstab easily.

[@powers24pl]

This build is good vs elite in ungoro devilosaur?

[@Zatar]

If you have Prep up, yes. I was soloing the 55 devilsaurs at 57. Without prep it is tough though, and more combat oriented builds will do better.

[@rowdy5668]

make a pvp dagger build please

[@srvfan7]

Are you having ny issues staying undetected without master of deception?

[@Zatar]

None at all while questing. In pvp it might be useful, but I have not tested it.

[@vanillabro46]

@@Zatar I'd really like more info about this. While the speed in stealth is a boon, I feel like spliting those 5 points between the 2 (3 MOD/2 Camo) would be more beneficial for staying hidden while pick-pocketing to grind for gold as well as world PVP. Just curious about your thoughts on this kind of change to the build

[@Zatar]

The main nuisance with picketing is getting resisted, that will slow you down. Movement speed I would prefer to the bonus stealth skill for pickpocketing. Master of deception is useful in PvP though

[@vanillabro46]

@@Zatar So, when leveling on a PVP server, then you think MOD is worth? At least a few points?

@@vanillabro46 I would say so yes. Even for pve it's useful. Although green quests are best as he states, having mod allows you to sneak by mobs so much easier. Getting that ambush off before they spot you too.

[@isaacleedrums]

I like it brother 🤙

[@alexweecha4077]

Do you think this tree is better than combat daggers? I'm starting to play and im a bit confused

[@Zatar]

Combat daggers is not very good for leveling. Without the improved ambush, you are going to just be slower than combat swords. At level 60 combat daggers is great though.

[@deeroberts8090]

Try asmr. You have a good voice profile for it!

[@AlexGorskov]

Haha yea!

[@jacobbender3573]

How does this build perform in raids?

[@Zatar]

This is a leveling build. It would not perform well in raid.

[@rudy1999]

Improved ambush and camouflage are completely useless talents on a raid boss.

[@LACraKYA]

How does this build fair in dungeons?

[@Zatar]

You'll do fine in dungeons while leveling, especially once you get Blade flurry

[@manimal9871]

You can pump like a mofo, you should be top dps every dungeon as long as you keep a strong mh dagger.

[@jonas_welin]

no gameplay?

[@mehdiisdead4540]

dude what about on warmane please.. i cant find any guid like this for warmane rogue sub

[@Cestlavieyo]

Can you tell us, in what order spend the talentpoints?

[@Ironiclobster69]

he did in the video

[@bigchungusfan4497]

This is a dagger themed build right?

[@MrEpic-qe2tt]

Ambush and Backstab are only usable with a dagger so yes, it is a dagger build.

[@luisziito1671]

Can i use this Buiild with daggers??

[@Zatar]

It is a dagger build, so yes.

[@eclipse369.]

Waste of points going into hemo, you are not a bleed build.

[@Zatar]

Hemorrhage is really good in pvp, because it is the cheapest combo point builder in the game. This also means it is good for a dagger build while leveling, because you can build combo points really quickly for a kidney shot, so that you can get to backstabbing quicker. Also, against elites/high armor enemies and when dueling Warriors, Paladins, and Druids, you use rupture. So the Serrated Blades talent is not wasted.

[@Angst_Skvadron]

"increasing ANY PHSYSICAL DAMAGE" .. of course its not a bleedbuild, its classic....

[@eclipse369.]

I'm thinking of something like classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/305300105301-3203-5500401303001 Lvl 32 now Just quick pro quo, I only have energy for ambush-gouge-backstab-gouge- backstab or kidney shot Serrated blades maybe worth I dont know but hemo/ imp ss are pretty much useless.

[@clarencegutsy7309]

@@Zatar Hemorrhage is a bad talent to take for daggers as is Ghostly Strike. Those are attacks that aren't normalized so they benefit from slow, hard hitting main hand weapons like a sword or mace. You'd be better off using a weapon swap macro to start with a hard hitting Ambush and then swap to a slow main hand to continue from there.

[@Zatar]

Here are the reasons I take hemorrhage: 1. I use rupture in PvP and against high armor enemies, so serrated blades is decent. 2. In PvP I want to build combo points asap and hemorrhage does that and makes some combos possible that you can't do with sinister strike. 2. If I have a decent slow weapon, I swap in combat. 3. Even with daggers, hemo does more damage than sinister strike for the energy cost if you are not spamming it, and you alternate in some gouges/kidneys and backstabs to effectively use the debuff. Hemo is worth getting, even for daggers, but you have to use it differently.

[@TheWyrwiflak]

I like the content itself but those pauses u keep doing between majority of words play on my fucking nerves

[@Chaserbl]

just some guy rambling about talents not showing how this actually works in world

Get out of here with your non comment. This is a true build and as a fellow vet, this guys knows what he's talking about.

[@Headie91]

Ambush build isnt that great in lvling. The fact that stealth is so bad in lowlvl and mobs move much, u waste much time in position yourself for an ambush. Riposte combat swords is way faster. The only situation where this build is better then combat swords is grinding neutral mobs like turtles. But anyway good video.

[@Brutalious]

Its not about whats better. Its about providing an alternative play-style for people that don't want to play as a glorified warrior.

[@jonferguson4395]

Audio too low cant hear

[@ironwoodtactics8778]

Jon Ferguson Try turning your volume up knucklehead. I have it on 20 percent volume and I can hear him just fine.