VAR Has Ruined Everything

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[@CMW003]

If theres one thing we can definitely thank VAR for its paying the bills of countless football content creators, potential for hours of content every week

[@Zealandism]

Without VAR I would starve

[@efebayramgurler7472]

​@@Zealandismwithout VAR you would die

[@RandomPerson-mt1oy]

​@@Zealandism And without you I would've not seen peak English tactics in FM

[@DrZaius3141]

"Touching the ball" doesn't automatically make a tackle legal. It can just often (!) be used as an indicator who was at the ball first and thus had "the right" to go for it.

[@MrMMAJER]

I didn't even know this was up to question. That was a penalty as clear as water. In the replay you can see, even if Lamptey barely touches the ball, that Jesus is still in possession and willing to advance the ball, and the only thing that prevents him from doing that is Lamptey's leg.

[@poiuytrewq1553]

You forgot to mention the 1000 ads you have to click through, close pop ups and scroll past before reaching the meaningless intro, “ Lionel Messi is a decorated football player that plays for …” only to reach the actual “news” which is a Redditt post from a year and a half ago.

[@Ceabrus74]

The useless introductory 3-5 paragraph long word salad found in every single article nowadays is more annoying to me than everything else combined. I've seen high school essays with less word count fluff.

[@V1Down]

going through the entire player/club history before mentioning the actual point of the article is super annoying

[@dislexyc]

We're not even talking about a slight touch causing him to trip. That was legitimately dangerous, that's 100% a foul and a yellow card

[@scottbrayton9484]

VAR is a good concept which has been implemented disastrously. I am a huge advocate of implementing the automated systems from the Qatar world cup. It wasn't perfect but it was much better than what we have now.

[@man4437]

People always say this, but I think disastrous is a pretty harsh judgement considering that it by-and-large has made decisions much better. Like, it feels like the exact kind of catastrophising Zealand mentioned. Football fans are just really overdramatic. Everything is the end of the world. It's so annoying for anyone who cares about things other than adult kickball.

[@man4437]

I do think that some rules maybe need to be changed or adapted in accordance with VAR looking at the game more closely. A lot of the "worst" decisions people complain about are just correct implementations of the rules according to what the VAR sees. Like, the Newcastle goal against Arsenal. That's an understandably controversial goal and maybe they should've had a better angle of the touchline, but the law says you can't rule out a goal unless you're 100% confident it's illegal (which I think should be the aim). Same with handballs.

[@ChunkyKong-47]

Personally I think that we should just have the ref go over to the screen and only be allowed 15 seconds to look at video. Basically see it once and make a decision, a lot of the problems come when the var officials try to call the game from the booth and end up just protecting poor decisions. Honestly I wouldn’t mind a challenge system where the coach can decide whether or not to review something depending on how important it is.

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

It is absolutely necessary in the modern age to have VAR. It is also obviously not yet implemented well. No way it’s going away because it’s obviously necessary so I hope they get better at implementing it sooner rather than later.

[@tdsm99]

Hatred of arsenal goes beyond reason. Just because you touch the ball doesn't mean you don't clatter the attacker like lamptey did. People acting like this is the worst call in sporting history are desperate for attention

[@safcjcp]

The issue is it’s a coming together after lamptey touched the ball, while it’s 100% a penalty Webb said that means it’s not a penalty to defend wrong decisions

[@tdsm99]

​@safcjcp a coming together does not look like that. Lampteys left leg is going straight for Jesus' ankle

[@Palazzo]

THANK YOU. I don't know where this whole touching the ball negates a foul thing came from because it's not a law and never has been. Getting the tiniest of touches of the ball doesn't overrule you wiping someone out. The same people saying this shouldn't have been a penalty because he slightly touched the ball are the same ones saying Doku skimming the ball shouldn't have negated the penalty against Liverpool. Weird that.

[@jo_magpie]

The rules don't say "touch the ball negates tackles". People are operating on 20 year old rules of the game. The refs referes to gaining possession, something Lamptey clearly doesn't. The rule only refers to taking out or potentially hurting the opponent by tackles, holding etc.

[@safcjcp]

@@jo_magpie they do not but in the city liverpool game that’s the standard var applied

[@jdevlin1910]

My man definitely did not "get the ball"

[@bhvillaman4401]

Yeah mate, there's deffo a difference between touching the ball and winning possession of the ball.

[@adrianized]

Ze taking on the holy task of convincing people to use their brains and think. It’s scary but someone has to do it.

[@house382]

As someone who doesn't care about either set of laundry, that's a penalty, because it's in the box, and likely a yellow card. It's a bad, out of control challenge.

[@jo_magpie]

People lack football literacy. The term is "to gain possession". He hasn't gained possession in any way and takes out the opponent.

[@roronoazoro5521]

I do not understand how anyone says this is not a penalty. After the tackle, the ball is right there in possession of Jesus, Lamptey has been taken out because he was unable to clear the ball, and Jesus is in on goal. He has denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. Actually, how is that not a red card?

[@turkeyman631]

I used to think that until I started watching the VODs of old games and seeing teams win off of offsides goals or a goal like Henrys vs Ireland. That being said, I can totally understand the opposing viewpoint.

[@jamesjamesjsmes909]

i love you zealand, my sweet prince. oh how i yearn for your words in my ear every second i am apart from you. 12 minutes and you shall be gone again. farewell.

[@efebayramgurler7472]

Infected by Z-virus

[@reverendroar]

Why will he be gone? Because someone will destroy his ankle in a football game?

[@jamesjamesjsmes909]

@@reverendroar because the video is 12 minutes long

[@davisland2538]

I just like the fact everyone is debating the crap out of this very clear pen, but in the last 2 matches United has been given 3 pens that were incorrect, one against Liverpool, and it’s totally silent on that front outside of United accounts.

[@Stylish1874]

It was definitely a penalty. There is this leniency for fouls in the box if they "get the ball" - a few weeks ago Van der Ven for Spurs cleaned out Watkins in the box against Villa with a very dangerous tackle, which if it happened anywhere else on the pitch would've been a foul and not only that a red card, but because he "got the ball" there was no action taken.

[@TIMxisxHERE]

It's simple really; You can't use old rules that are open for interpration and then add a system that can accurately analyse every situation. The rules weren't made for that. If you want to use VAR properly, update and specify the rules first.

[@Dylan-ym2fc]

They are equatable. The rules say nothing about 'getting the ball'. All they say is was the challenge careless, reckless or dangerous. Both are, at the very least, careless and both are penalties.

[@juxtapose9500]

Brighton fan here, it’s deffo a pen I’ve not even seen anyone say it’s not I swear even de zerbi said it is

[@Skelig]

tbf, the way De Zerbi said it did sound more than a little like he just wanted to keep himself out of trouble having been caught out before criticising refs (a crime punishable by death in this country). dude just didn't want to take the journalist's obvious bait I agree though, I'm also brighton and it's a penalty, no idea what the fuss is all about.

[@gakster29]

Zealand with the Will Ferrell/Harry Carey impression. We are so back

[@Baltic_Coffee]

i think for me as someone who has been playing at left back this season, i dont like to see it given, because a lot of the time as a defender you are just trying to get anything you can on, and near the ball, even just putting pressure on the striker to hope he misses is a lot of the things you do when defending. On the other hand as someone who is really a left winger, i can see why you would want it given although i wouldnt want it as a winger to be given for me.

[@LeandroSantos-ih5ko]

In Portugal the situation is worse where a player won the ball in the box and got punch by the keeper and the ref called the foul on the striker.

[@W417on]

Whats your opinion on the penalty in the Liverpool United game at the weekend? I personally think it was but ive seen people say its a dive and i dont know where to draw the line

[@jonaszahid3892]

Before I watch the video, let me quote Nordin Amrabat: "VAR...Bullsht"

[@Itz_Hyde]

I did the weirdest foul once when I was a kid. Striker was running through, past the def, I was running directly behind him. His studs caught my knee and he lost his balance. Also when I first started, I would go to ground alot and instead of getting back up, i was just tackle them while grounded by reaching my leg out and pushing the ball through players feet, taking them to the ground in the process x.D

[@kieronparr3403]

He never got any control over it and he just went straight through him

[@alpuzza]

I don't think there is any controvery at all, the rules are pretty clear. If it's a tackle from one of our team's players, then touching the ball immediately invalidates any fault, whether it's a tackle or a punch to the face. If it's a tackle from the opposing side, then it's a clear fault and the defender should be booked or expelled.

[@young_diogenes]

Before watching the video I must say that I had the exact same thought after watching 3 clear wrong decisions by the VAR within the last 2 weeks and I don't even watch mutch football ("soccer" as you call it) apart from the german Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga

[@SuperYannick63]

Did the toilet survive Z?

[@donnyjepp]

I don't believe it did.....I think he's having some sort of memorial service to commemorate it's sacrifice....RIP Zealand's toilet 🚽....You will be missed 🙏

[@andrewhp9754]

They decided to add VAR whenever most refs can’t agree on what’s a handball or not.

[@dudubertin]

100% penalty. The gray area here is to apply the Yellow Card or not

[@Bowleskov]

I am not convinced that was a foul, I think within the spirit of the rules it probably was but on a technical basis the contact with the player comes as a result of going for the ball. As a former Sunday league referee I'd put this as a 60/40 penalty and those, in general, get awarded in Bigger games. I do think this is the kind of Challenge that is more of an issue for the Defending manager because it was a strategically naïve way of going in for the Challenge.

[@jricky8]

How anyone ever debated this isnt a penalty is beyond me! Just completely clueless

[@MrBrasserie]

I dont know how VAR can honestly get most these wrong. My personal opinion is that 1, the referee's arent good enough at all that are doing the var. 2. A former referee thats friends with most if not all current refs shouldnt be in charge. It hasn't worked out well for police forces for covering up "mistakes" and it wont here. 3. The fact they gotta slow it down, to frame by frame to see if theres any contact with player or ball should probably tell you there isnt enough. And stop showing photos to refs to "change there mind" 4. Offside with var is flawed to some degree, they cant get the extact frame a balls played, and i doubt they actually have the ability to draw the lines from the correct position. Coupled with frame not being correct + the line slightly being off the shoulder or foot on one player and perfect on the other (theyre human drawn not computer?) Then the accuracy isnt there at all for the really tight calls. Pgmol is really a problem, its a group of mates in a little club, run by there mate who defends some terrible decision and have nobody to answer to

[@woutkampman]

zealand you look like the sporting lisbon players on fm in this video

[@KKERMlT]

Similar situation happened in the old firm this weekend; Alistair Johnston tried a clearance, touched the ball but muffled the contact, then kicked Fabio Silva on the leg, who *really* sold it, like he attempted to do all game (he's a diver) Im a celtic fan but i think it sadly was a penalty. It also could've been called as not being a penalty. Chris Sutton on the live commentary clearly wasnt of the same opinion tho, he called it a disgrace live on air

[@bhvillaman4401]

Unfortunately that's the game now, it happens all over the pitch. Its all about convincing the ref youve been fouled. The games softer than a wet willy mate.

[@cameronbishop6001]

I'm a Liverpool fan, I have every reason to say that's not a pen, but I just think it is. Clearly too. He prevented a goalscoring opportunity by tripping Jesus there, didn't have any sort of control of the ball, as you said Jesus would likely be on that... It seems pretty clear to me.

[@joeyax74]

NUANCE FC kit dropping.

[@shaneoshea9984]

that's a stone wall pen

[@nicklikethesoup]

Then Arsenal v Bayern happened and another controversial penalty call came out. Plus, Tuchel raving about another one no one noticed or cared about prior.

[@FunkBallGX]

Do the Old Firm pen

[@bugchallin]

The commentator was so heated about this call idk why he thought it clearly wasn’t a penalty…. at least acknowledge that Gabriel got absolutely destroyed in the box

[@TheGordybear]

There is no question it was a penalty kick. Anyone who suggests otherwise does not know the laws of the game

[@LocalNoob_2]

the news pages thing he talked about in the beggining,don't even blame those people,i mean hustle is hustle,the real problem are the idiots who click on those "LINK IN BIO FOR MORE INFORMATION"

[@5minutemovies977]

I hate the "he touched the ball" point. If you touch the ball, and then proceed to kill a player's entire family with a sliding tackle, you should still go to jail, even if you touched the ball.

[@Sonkidu]

I like to think of myself as an unbiased United fan. But those penalties in the Liverpool and Chelsea games are too much for me. If that’s the level of contact to call a pen, they should just make a new sport. The game is gone

[@stephendenis3855]

At least the Bayern one didn't count

[@SirEEf13]

What Lamptey did is not in any way a fair tackle. Lamptey's only intention was clearing out Jesus. The ball just happened to be in the way of his feet. This is a penalty. I can not understand how one could even argue that it wasn't What Doku did is also a penalty but at least a less obvious one. I can understand people trying to claim Doku's wasn't a pen but defending Lamptey here is ridiculous in my eyes. To see stuff this obvious possibly not getting a clear and immediate call is just laughable when I've seen cards given out for perfectly clean tackles that only happened to touch the opponent after the ball was cleared.

[@joris3193]

Cool

[@lucanasillo2052]

Elliot wasn’t fouled by AWB that should be talked about

[@untexan]

Again it's not VAR that's inherently bad, it's the way the Premier League uses it, which is borderline corrupt

[@erwinvanoostenbrugge]

Football should use the same VAR rules as hockey. You get an X amount of times you can call on VAR and after that you're done. I will die on this hill.

[@untexan]

Hockey is actually the worst VAR comp you can make because they have the same shortcoming. The big issue with the Premier League's use of VAR is the way they go fishing for reasons to disallow goals. Players offside and not really involved in the play, fouls in the build up (whatever that means), changing definitions of phases of play. It's the same way in the NHL. Every time a goal is scored and you see a shot of the other team's bench, the coach's eyes are glued to the monitors embedded in the floor as they look for any reason they could challenge the call.

[@faresbellassoued322]

where is the green Frog ?

[@tidyyy]

lol, he's not "cleaned out", it's not a "voilent amount of contact", he doesnt get "absolutely obliterated"😹 he is not "endangering the dude's ankle", the ball was there to be won and the follow through caused a tiny tap he withdraws from and jesus cant walk on grass, nevermind water. i didnt see doku's (VAR is genuinely ruining the PL for me, but i'm a burnley fan so that wont be a concern for long), but he did get a touch on the ball so it's tough to say he didnt win the challenge. football is a contact sport, and he got the ball first (i.e. didnt go through the man first) and jesus flopped like 5 loaves and 2 fish. if he stuck on his feet and hit it i'd have had more sympathy for him. but apparently if you get tapped in the ankle it causes your back to spasm and your legs stop working so what do i know 🤷‍♂

[@MrNeznanec]

Meh a bigger controversy was a penalty call on Wan Bissaka vs. Liverpool. Check that incident. This is a pure penalty because he absolutly clobbered Jesus. Sheer stupidity from Lamptey and who carse that he touched the ball with a shoelace.

[@Alexgreenie]

Just watched a Z video from 2021. Man ages rough. Love you tho, Z :)

[@Bagster321]

I'd argue it's a penalty because Lampety puts his foot backwards in a position that trips Jesus. Intentional or not, it's not a clean win of the ball. Now Doku should have been penalised (I am biased, Liverpool fan). The real issue though stems from inconsistent interpretation from the referees. The PGMOL needs to improve the quality of refereeing but also revise the rule book. VAR isn't the problem. Humans are.

[@dujejakasa9004]

Tariq lamptey

[@perkkie]

VAR makes us watch football through the lens of refereeing and this perverts the nature of the game so bad. Football is not about ability, talent, team spirit, etc anymore, but if the slight touch on the shoulder of the attacker was a penalty or not. Fuck this, honestly.

[@lubomirgenov4346]

100 % penalty

[@Bredz.mp4]

Video 12 asking for a video on coventry

[@goteamgaz]

Zealand dropped a new video and everyone’s saying the same thing

[@XxXMornoMXxX]

I don't understand the point of this video. And I don't see any controversy, it's a clear pen.

[@Kristoph-69-69]

The British pundits and journalist are always trying to tick off Arsenal fans to get hate clicks. You did it too in the thumbnail

[@alliedatheistalliance6776]

Not quite everything, its useful to the police after turkish football league games..

[@RainHH]

Clear pen, he would still have possession of the ball. Anyone who says otherwise has never actually played the game. 😂

[@lorenzomartinez8543]

No one's got nuance Z

[@sh3tpostsgamertime204]

635 views in 15 minutes, bro shitted

[@Gideonsmythe]

Greed. This is easy, getting the ball means nothing if you foul the player while you're doing it. There are a lot of dodgy decisions that are given require several replays from multiple angles at varying speeds, but this was a free-kick outside the box and a penalty within.

[@JeremyCouderc]

Incredible to make a 12 min video without saying anything

[@goid996]

Only 900 views in 20 minutes? He fell off so bad

[@pieceofgosa]

I love VAR because of how much it annoys people. Like, can you not understand it was inevitable ? There is FAR too much money at stake in top flight football these days for VAR to not get introduced. At some point somebody would have sued the referees, or the league, or both because their team got done by an incorrect decision. This was always going to happen & it's never going away, so suck it up & stop whining like little children. If you want to watch football without VAR then watch the lower leagues.

[@the_iniex]

No views in minute 😔

[@jdevlin1910]

no trophies in 70 years

[@GravelordWrust]

Just allows the officials to pick and choose who they want to win. Everyone has an agenda. Always. Too many odd decisions in favour of certain teams each season.

[@MM-cb7hm]

Pronunciou certo o "Jesus"

[@ewouteveraert5174]

Nuance? First day on the internet hu?

[@simonmatthews7512]

Good clickbaiting here.

[@Cliphaven3]

*Lionel Messi has died*

[@TheRabbitHouseHole]

Dieing to try this new macha thats only avalible on amazon prime

[@waynekeebler6755]

A foul is a foul even though you touch the ball. Look it up.

[@inelhuayocan_aci]

Test comment

[@TheRabbitHouseHole]

Test ok

[@cltmck]

It's a foul. I just don't like the modern standards of a foul and think this shouldn't be a foul. The game should be rougher, attackers should be less protected, but whatever, I'm not going to get my way on that.

[@manuelbarros4898]

Nuance? This is the worst channel ever. *ragequits*

[@Alfie-qs8uv]

18 views in 1 minute bro fell off

[@NdashTerry]

No views in one minute 😂 it’s worse than before

[@dr.chidori96]

Dude stop yappin and just get to the point goddamn

[@birni3078]

Touched the ball = no foul to me

[@inadequate558]

Unfortunately if that was the case then Burnley under dyche would have won the league more times than anyone

[@birni3078]

@@inadequate558 cool I like dyche

[@Lavassin]

Well it's a good thing you aren't a ref