Zealot Talent Tree Showcase, Interactions, and Demonstration | Patch 13 | Warhammer 40k:DARKTIDE

[@rykenxiv]

EE-CLEE-SI-ARC's Call.. man... my pronunciation has really taken a hit as of late... and I'm not even in...inne...inni... in-nee-bree-8-ted... (thank you commenters highlighting the correct way to say it...)

[@coffinbeard6980]

Dude, for the most part your English is better than mine and I'm a native 😅 Thanks for this video, really bloody helpful.

[@Mach-2-Fishbed]

Something nice about the Immolation grenades is that they seem to spread volumetrically, so if you funnel enemies down a narrow corridor and toss an Immolation grenade, you can have them travel down quite a long path of fire for quite a lot of damage. Zealot became my favourite of the patch. I loved the idea of a class that was more melee centric (especially for those that wanted a bit more VT2 playstyle) and the new tree finally does it for me. I went for a speed centric zealot with Immolation grenades, chorus of spiritual fortitude, Martyrdom (with Faith's fortitude), Master's retribution, and Swift certainty. Paired it with an Eviscerator and Shredder (as well as purge the unclean at the top of the tree) and it turns hordes into mush, and really gives me the feel of a number of skills and weapons from most of the VT2 heroes.

[@TheKaiserKraken]

Thank you update 13 we are now at the level of build density and complexity that the sentence "Walking is sprinting but slower" is an important distinction.

[@rooky1991]

"Sorry lads teabagging in place won't get you any momentum" I BEG TO DIFFER GOOD SIR!!! nah JK great video very informative! 👌

[@collinpatten9228]

Just a quick little note, for anyone wondering, friendly flames are more yellow and the enemy flames are more orange. You’ll be able to distinguish them the more you play

[@ShiningDarknes]

Unless you are colorblind.

[@Mach-2-Fishbed]

The flames also sit much lower to the ground whereas the fire from a bombers grenades tend to block the view of anything on the other side which has been the biggest help for me, but I still get if people just want to avoid it anyways.

[@Paradoxikality]

If you're on PC there's plenty of helpful mods on nexusmods. Changing friendly zealot fire is one of them. Unfortunately it can't just recolor it at the moment, it needs to do a particle swap with something else in the game, and the only two things you can change it to are nurgle goo or nurgle vomit, but either one are very noticably not bad to stand in unless you're in the specific situation of fighting that boss. At any other time it's trivial to tell if it's friendly or not.

[@ShiningDarknes]

Hate to say it but the options in that mod do not change my "unless you are colorblind" except maybe the green fire but then you circle right back around to "I can't fucking see through this fire (which is why I hate any vet who uses the smoke grenade, FFS fatshark let the player see through it or make it mark enemies inside or something).@@Paradoxikality

[@Paradoxikality]

@@ShiningDarknes The nurgle vomit bubbles up and it's very noticeably not enemy or barrel fire, and doesn't obscure vision. Being colorblind shouldn't matter with that option.

[@Akabane101]

Just created a Zealot after a bajillion hours on Veteran. Thank you for making this incredibly informative overview of their new perk tree!

[@PallyChan]

Fury of the faithful is just too much fun to stop using!! Shred eviscerator can crit so much you are just in permanent fury, I love it!

[@mr6291]

Fury of the Faithful has another small bit of utility to it. You can use it to slam your body into a group of enemies (like a big group of ragers and bruisers) to give them a brief stagger. When using a thunder hammer, you have to get used to being surrounded. This adds a bit of utility to your move-set when used properly and can make you more comfortable in tense situations.

[@xnucleartater]

To add on to this, when charging at a sniper within your 20m range, your Fury of the Faithful negates any sniper shot, allowing you to face tank the shot and take down the sniper in melee if required.

[@0bzen22]

Don't try that trick on trackers :D

[@Broomtwo]

@@xnucleartater It also avoids trapper nets if timed correctly, but I wouldn't recommend as its a little risky

[@burnin8able]

@@xnucleartater yeah, that's because the charge puts you into a full ranged immunity state, like sliding. great for rushing reapers or shooter squads.

[@burnin8able]

my favorite use for that is the fact that the stagger applies just right so that you can effectively chest-bump pox hounds when they try to pounce on you. they get staggered mid-air and you don't get pounced.

[@OdiousBotch]

Thanks for this video, been playing Zealot since the games release and this has to be the most useful info I've gotten out of the very few videos about zealot.

[@crisppringle711]

I learned quite a bit, especially about the charge. I had no idea you could extend the range and target a specific enemy like that. Thank you for the great guide.

[@Kaldor_Draigo]

Wake up brothers, new Ryken Upload. Thank you dear Saint, as a fledging zealot this is purfffeeeccttt.

[@michellehui4157]

Yes daddy

[@LJdaOG]

Blades of Faith is my absolute favorite when paired with the hugely buffed combat knife. The fact that it can be thrown out regardless of your equipped weapon, coupled with the new Greivous Wounds talent for more stagger, immediately told me "use this in melee to make the esports combo videos". My particular favorite is finding ways to combo scab ragers to death on damnation before they can break stunlock.

[@Wozzmatic]

Great breakdown of talents. Thanks

[@tanksin5726]

i always take the extra time in stealth, using it to rez players as well as being able to pick up objective items and move them in stealth not having to worry about getting hit

[@johnbaker7322]

If you can teach your team to differentiate the immolation grenade fire (it's light in color), it's a great way to deal with massive dog packs. You can stand in it and if anyone screws up a dodge the fire will get the dog off of them.

[@Rex-qx2ko]

im really glad I found your channel. Videos are super smooth and easy to follow. Format is perfect and thorough

[@noupperlobemanify]

This'll be very helpful for a friend that just started playing, thank you

[@rykenxiv]

Glad to hear it!

[@vatinas7214]

One thing I'd like to note: I haven't had the time (read: couldn't be bothered) to test it out in the Psykanium to make sure that's the case, but I think I've noticed in missions that, after finishing my holy relic ult and getting my 100 over-toughness, and then losing that over-toughness, I was still able to replenish that over-toughness through toughness-on-kill for what seemed to be the duration of the over-toughness buff itself. If it actually is the case, it's probably a bug, but I still wanted to mention it. :)

[@Broomtwo]

I don't think its a bug, sounds like its intended. I think its just while you have the buff your maximum toughness is increased so it can go up and down, kinda makes sense

[@romanpyatibratov4361]

It increases your max toughness by giving over-toughness. If it wasnt patched since patch 13 - that means it works as intended. It does have some interactions, that not many people know about. For example you get health damage if you got hit while your toughness is not full. Yellow over-toughness allows you to get hit in melee several times without taking health dmg. Easiest to check with mutant grabs as he slams you on the ground few time. Usually first slam removes some toughness and 2 other dmg your health. With over-toughness you wont get health dmg as he deals dmg to your yellow toughness. And game only counts for blue one. Same goes for veteran talent. While above 75% toughness - gain 50% toughness reduction. Also counts for over-toughness. Which makes Voice of Command veteran incredibly tanky (as long as you kill specialists/elites and get headshot kills)

[@WolfA4]

Full martyrdom build with an Eviscerator turns you into the Emperor's holy blender. I've been doing Damnation runs with it and I feel damn near unkillable as long as I can swing my chain sword around.

[@eituyn]

I really appreciate your videos. Very well done, tons of great info and very friendly. Thank you for taking the time to make these.

[@rykenxiv]

Glad you like them!

[@tyjames3339]

OK, but how many stacks of momentum do you get for using chastise the wicked or it's upgrade? If you run with that ability then I feel like it'd be far more useful since it's free extra damage on top of what you already get from your ability

[@TizzmantineUK]

So so so helpful, thank you very much

[@bogeeman]

Another great video. Thank you for your work and dedication, it helps a ton o7

[@chriscoviello2500]

Thy wrath be swift seems to have an unintended side effect of not being staggered/stunned by ranged attacks as well. Now you can freely charge a gunner without being locked in place and decimated. It really doesnchange the game and is a must take on all my zealot classes at this point.

[@Earliersphere]

it's always been like that, since launch I do enjoy that it's not competing as much with other talents now.

[@blakemorris2753]

I have about 2k hours in this game, with more than 1500 of those hours playing my zealot. I've always opted to take thy wrath be swift the entire time over holy rev; one of the nicest things about the new talent tree is being able to take both

[@chriscoviello2500]

@@Earliersphere I have literally never not run they wrath be Swift and only realized it with the new talent trees. On my knife zealot class I opted to not take thy wrath be Swift because I wanted some other talents, and instantly I started getting maliciously staggered and that's when I realized. It's unfortunate that it's basically a must take with the melee class.

[@HoneyCMB]

These guides are super helpful as someone returning to the game! Thank you

[@Xariann]

I found your holy symbol deep dive especially insightful. Thanks for this video.

[@Alboravin]

IMHO, the stun immunity element of Thy Wrath Be Swift needs to be baseline for the Zealot, considering it's by and large a melee-oriented/frontliner class. I'd bring back the toughness damage reduction on slide and keep the movement speed buff on hit untouched to still keep TWBS relevant as a trait.

[@GH-ue5xk]

Great info, can't wait for the Ogryn one!

[@Flopdoodle]

IN- INER- IN-IN-ERBRI-IN ER- BRIATE section made me laugh more than it should. Comedy gold in my book, lmao

[@ShiningDarknes]

The 100% cd increase is made literally irrelevant if you pick the “backstab kills give 20% cooldown” so 30s increased to a minute. K but no matter what 5 backstabs gets it back. So if you want the strongest thunderclap on-tap go for this because it literally has no downsides (fun fact when wildly swinging crucius heavies into crowds while pushing forward and waving your camera around sometimes it registers hits from the second half of the swing as hits to the back but even if they don’t it will knock over anything it doesn’t kill and said knocked enemies almost always end up with their backs to you for a follow-up.

[@andriosgustav5578]

quick side note, on the talent tree near the 20 momentum, there is a passive that can make your sprinting be considered as dodging, and this is also taken account with the 3 additional stacks.

[@Ryl0o]

thnx for doing a zealot vid, im a zealot main

[@tinyGiraffasaurus]

random question about a zealot weapon: is stagger important to the eviscerator?

[@quantum2330]

i love the new perk trees, I'm super keen to build out all these different builds to try them out/ have them handy incase i just want to switch up my gameplay to keep things interesting

[@RazzleTheRed1]

So I was playing some today and I encountered a really funny and OP glitch.... I activated my Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude and it would just not end, the pulses just kept on coming XD

[@kazen16]

Prolly the most fun I've had, the stealth is so op it's crazy cuz combine with cool down reduction it's insane! Also I'm experimenting on the dodge blessing on knife, combined with that talent that lets you "dodge while sprinting"... possible another good combo. Knife is soo good, nobody can dethrone it lol

[@chetmanley1885]

Thanks for this. My first character was a Zealot, but I got it to 30 and parked it, didn't enjoy the melee buzzsaw, low health, risky playstyle and I'm digging the support preacher. Is it just me or does the central keystone not really synergise that well with the rest of the tree? Seems very durability focused but needs you to be quite dead to work. Maybe I'm approaching the trinkets wrong but I also don't see much else useful to put points into.

[@supersonicguru1]

You are indeed correct, the middle has lack luster defensive options. I could share a support def build with max toughness def and other defense traits. You have to do some real tinkering to optimize builds now

[@hridaytrivedi8132]

Man you are really hard working bro ❤

[@andyozFace]

In general I’ve found the top right side of the tree a lot of fun with throwing knives. What’s the best for the bottom part . Extra crits chance vs movement granting you extra attack speed and power. Also can’t decide on stealth vs rush attack ability.

[@charlieb4554]

Could you show what your build was when you were using the thunder hammer?

[@nostrums]

You are doing god's emperor work

[@zule10000]

As far as the knife crit testing goes, doesn't Chastise and Zealot's shroud ability grant at least 1 guaranteed crit?

[@Cederlof_Ink]

Trying zealot after finally peeling myself away from my 100 hours on psyker, I love melee play so trying this out.

[@boopersdos735]

I found martyrdom is less useful as a damage buff and more useful as sort of a tanky fail-safe. The damage and attack speed buffs are amazing, but it's really the damage reduction plus wounds that shine. Plus the perk that reduces damage that reaches the next wound state by 50%, you are essentially taking half damage to your health the whole game.Having so many wounds also allows for more aggressive play styles that can risk taking hits or going down even (given you know your team can pick you back up). That paired on top of healing corruption aura, you will never lose max health unless going down or picking up grimoires (even then you heal a lot of grimoire corruption). You never want to be at low health with it. You want to be at full health. Just because you aren't getting active buffs doesn't mean the build is bad, it means you're playing well enough that the buffs aren't needed. It instead kicks in when you're in the thick of combat, gives your damage the extra kick you might need and tankiness to survive the encounter. Granted the whole play style centers around a slow start and your whole build will have to center around martyrdom. But you gain more tankiness and damage the longer you fight between healing. That means the harder you fight in a mission, the stronger you become. You can forgo medicae stations unless you've been downed a lot and can give it to your squishier back line or to a tankier ogryn. Hell, you can straight up tank a demonhost (granted you trust your team to kill it).

[@dust4892]

Update, I have re-tested it and chastise the wicked does build stacks of momentum, but it seems to build less than just sprinting. Still getting decent results with it, though.

[@whatisbestinlife8112]

It doesn't? That's lame. I never even bothered to check I just assumed it would. It's actually the first thing I thought of when I first read the talent thinking of the cool synergy of it.

[@dust4892]

@whatisbestinlife8112 disregard that, I Retested it. It does seem to work, just not as well as you would expect. Not a terrible combo though.

[@burnin8able]

I had a friend put the new Zealot best: they act like what we all thought Bath Salts would do to you.

[@rabbitsfoot8]

I think some people dont understand the power of martyrdom.. you essentially become invincible to me that's an incredibly powerful

[@venuztrvp]

I havent messed with it enough to know for sure but it seems the spiritual fortitude buff kicks in either 1) if youre at max toughness or 2) after the second pulse Im guessing it depends on whichever prerequisite is met first

[@ripls1721]

Great video

[@fotuoh]

Awesome video Ryken! Does anyone knows if I can get the "Abhor the Mutant" penance done with this setup? By that I mean - can we get this Penance completed with upgraded version of the Zealot's charge ability?

[@rykenxiv]

Yup - should be no problem! Would recommend using a Thunder Hammer for this. Activate your Thunderclap (that's what I call the Thunder Hammer's special), wind up your swing as your charge into the mutant and release a little earlier than you'd expect. Got mine done on the 2nd or 3rd try!

[@Vulcanerd]

I’ve been trying to make a low health build work in DT, but I think they need to re-examine it or tune it some more. This is almost directly from the Saltzpyre zealot character from Vermintide 2, but unlike in that game where you can sustain yourself from the temp health mechanic, there is no such thing in DT and so much can go wrong or pierce through shielding which makes making low health builds harder, I think. Tangentially, so much of the new talent tree reminds me of VT2 abilities. Veteran smoke bomb and invis reminds me of Bardin’s ranger vet abilities. Zealot infiltrate and backstab skills remind me of Kerillian’s Shade class. Others are like warrior priest, assail reminds me of waystalker trueflight volley, even complete with the ability to reduce cd by 30%. There’s even a shout to revive teammates like Kruber’s mercenary class. I’m not upset, just really fascinated by how much feels lifted directly from VT2.

[@glommamygg]

I've noticed that the color of the fire when using the Immolation grenade is slightly brighter in color than the other fires. Might be hard to notice for some 😅

[@Gw2Zoke]

It is more yellowish… i still avoid it almost every time

[@eviljoshy3402]

I started lvling zealot and went down the right side of the skill tree. Using cloak, powering up a hammer and doing a charged attack hits really hard. On Malice and sometimes Heresy I've one shoted daemon hosts and monstrosities.

[@JISHBOSIN]

Which Thunder hammer would you recommend? I watched the Thunderhammer video and am still curious.

[@gferd]

For me, i like 1st thunder hammer, crucis or something NOT ironhelm. Ironhelm have nice thing that make your charged special bypass horde to kill elite/special, but it's take longer to kill horde with push attack followed by heavy. With crucis you just spam heavy attack. For blessing use trust (to make visible damage to boss) and momentum for healthy toughness (at least i can ignore shooter on some extend while killing horde).

[@charlie2105]

Is it just the firing range or is the blades of faith elite kill replenish broken?

[@gregs7562]

Cheers for this. Mot long started the game, started as Vet but being a tabletop guard plsyer i wanted access to a flamer so ive started a veteran. Have to say im disappointed with it seems weak vs the enemies version. Safe to say i prefer to carry the shotgun with the special flame round.

[@Reaper-J129]

I really like martyrdom I have 3 wound curios to help out with it. The thing with martyrdom is that you don't want to never heal and stay at low health all the time instead it's more like an insurance policy, this way when things get dicey you grow in power and can when needed murder in some breathing room for you and your allies all the while you get a flat increase on attack speed, damage and damage reduction. Adding on the ability to reduce damage that puts you to the next wound to take big hits makes those last 3-4 out of my 7-10 total wounds near impossible to get rid off

[@primedestroyers2170]

should you aim for backstab or weakspot for shroudfield? since finesse is also weapspot damage

[@primedestroyers2170]

just tested it, definitely go for backstabes

[@bionicg2040]

Made a 1 handed chainsword bleed build thanks to Blazing Piety...stack crits, stack bleed, stack whoopass, etc. Martyrdom is for my hammer builds so i can 2 shot any boss. However I only ever try to go to 4 stacks of Martyrdom in case some warp fuckery happens.

[@jasonharrison192]

Is the passive that reduces damage by 50% that would take you below your next wound as good as it looks if you run with 7 wounds? I have been using it and it feels very tanky

[@chriscoviello2500]

I wonder how good it is with healing back 25 percent of damage. It effectively means that you can proc that more than once off of a wound. This would definitely feel very tanks indeed.

[@RottenFilmProduction]

Best use for the zealots golden cc aura skill i've seen so far is using it to pushmultiple monstrosoties off of ledges to insta-kill them.

[@jazz322alllwaysswing]

When you show the ability's could you possibly show them on the talent list? It's hard to follow the video when i need to pause each time go into game and find where the ability is in the tree to get a understanding of how they work and what they go with

[@romanpyatibratov4361]

5:23 as of patch 14 i tested this ability with friends. It does not make teammates invulnerable. They still burn to death and get killed by snipers. Maybe the pulse itself makes them shortly immune do dmg, maybe it was bugged.

[@bullgrim]

Could you make a specific video and build for hammer zealot, please?

[@ExitusPax]

I've used both Blazing Piety and Inexorable Judgement. Blazing Piety is better with weapons with low crit where you want those nodes that are effected by crit. However, if you run a weapon with that already has high crit (such as the Combat Knife), Inexorable Judgement's value either matches or overtakes Blazing Piety due to it favoring high mobility builds. I've been going back and forth between the two keystones with my Knife Zealot and both feel very good. Inexorable Judgement out damages Blazing Piety sometimes but the attack speed fluctuations can sometimes feel odd, but the value of the Toughness boost it gives cannot be overstated. It turns my Knife Zealot into a Dodge Tank.

[@rykenxiv]

Interesting! I'll shall consider this experience into my builds as well!

[@Tortle-Man]

“CHAOS BULLSHITTERY” yup that’s about right.

[@rooky1991]

"Sorry lads teabagging in place won't get you any momentum" I BEG TO DIFFER GOOD SIR!!! nah JK great video very informative! 👌

[@ShardtheWolf]

I like the longer stealth. Lets me revive people, dive deeper if needed, or get out of a deep dive, and I usually don't need the extra damage, since I'm using a thunderhammer, and oneshotting shit anyways.

[@DrakenhofTemplars]

I've noticed it's it's easy to discern friendly zealot fire because it's gold opposed to the others

[@theolddeus9672]

the trick is, short and gold= safe to enter. short and red= friendly triggered barrel, will damage you but significantly less than TALL and red, which is enemy grenadier or flamer fire.

[@vampyneko873]

wonder if u could do a stealth shotgunner build with the zealot

[@Koyu_Ruh]

The problem with the overcharged Toughness and by extend the Chorus of Spiritual Fortidtude is that FatShark is horrible at coding and it sets your toughness to the overcharged as max for the duration of the ability. Meaning that instead of soaking up all incoming melee damage that you would take until the overcharge is gone and then the bleedthrough damage comes, the moment you aren't completely full with your new temporary max toughness, you get bleedthrough. It doesn't change much, of course as you should be wary of melee attacks at any time, but I still feel scammed that I got downed while having the extra toughness from bleedthrough damage, as I tried to use it to save myself and my allies from being overrun. Until they fix that, the extra toughness is a gimmick at best, not a too important ability. As it is now, this toughness ability is only truly good if you're pinned down by a lot of gunners and don't have anything that can deal with them from that far away, it is not a good idea to use it to protect yourself from bleed through damage at all. TL;DR not an awful ability, but glitched and needs a small hotfix.

[@ShupperDupper]

my favorite was the crit build, even without daggers. right side has good toughness damage reduction and bleed, left side gives free starter crit to start rolling and that 20% attack speed, then you go apeshit with fury and permanently stuck in. i rarely have trouble clearing any hoards, and gunners fear my 12 pocket knives !

[@owa1985]

Stealth Zealot made knives viable in Damnation. Not only that, it's actually pretty damned good, compared to my Mk7 heavy sword which has issues with crushers but no problems with crowds or my Antax which has no problems with crushers, but not exactly optimal with crowds. Combined with the Sprinting counts as dodging talent, sprinting in response to the backstabbing suck sound is no longer a bad response, but is instead a pretty good way to stack some momentum. It makes Zealot somehow even more high effort to play, but man is it fun. And landing knives on far away snipers never gets old.

[@datkhornedog899]

For some reason, I imagined a knife being thrown at a Scab Sniper at 100+ meters.

[@owa1985]

@@datkhornedog899Not 100, maybe 30? But I once landed one that's far enough to clear the old grenade penance.

[@datkhornedog899]

@@owa1985 No, what I was thinking is unrelated. Just imagine a knife homing onto a sniper from that far like the Krak grenade.

[@owa1985]

@@datkhornedog899 Oh, if only, eh? Man, all the new toys have been really exceeding expectations. Well except for smite. But even then, it's not entirely useless.

[@gmkgoat]

I wanted to call attention to two less flashy but no less valuable talents. Shield of Contempt provides a massive 75% DR for 4 seconds every 10 seconds to anyone in coherency that takes damage and Restoring Faith returns 25% of any damage you take as health. These two together drastically improve your durability and they both still work while bleeding out giving your team a significant increase in available time to save you in the event you go down.

[@Subforum]

Shield of Contempt seems amazing, but I was curious how the cooldown works. Does it trigger and go on CD for the entire team if anyone gets hit, or does it have a separate cooldown for each individual player? The latter would basically make it 4x more effective if everyone on the team is taking an occasional hit.

[@thewretchedpleb7484]

I thought I was crazy all this time for that armor degrade on chastise lmao. Just figured it was a flat damage increase, but it makes my flamer actually kinda hurt crushers lol Nothing crazy but certainly noticeable.

[@thewretchedpleb7484]

Also like how the "drunken stance" node adds at least a little sustain to your momentum. Even 8 or 10% extra damage and attack speed on a bolter or shotgun makes a difference. Let alone for an eviscerator or thunder hammer with the melee attack speed and damage. Not out of this world of course, but a nice bit of filler to round out a build if your pathing permits. Does make me wish I could get momentum for the Veteran though... Can you imagine a plasma gun with that and the crit chance and all from their tree!? Would be fekkin insane, m8

[@flyinmehkite384]

The problem I have with the knives and firebomb is the opportunity cost of not taking the buffed version of the best grenade in the game. It isn't like Ogryn, Psyker or Vet where all (or most in vet case) are about equal. It is very lopsided due to the sheer power of stunning now massive areas. The assassin tree aura helps with last man standing but also promotes bad play styles. So many wannabe ninjas just keep dying half a mile away from everyone else. Also does literally nothing if in coherency. As for keystone, I feel like only one is consistent to take. While a wound build is a neat concept, you cannot hit the cap, ever, in missions where you would want to hit it. Also taking that many wounds means your stamina, toughness and health are going to be bad. Don't get me wrong, I love the zealot but 1 amazing blitz, 2 good abilities, 2 good auras and 1 consistent keystone, does limit build potential. It is nice with how fast zealots are when running around with anything though. It is an indirect buff to the slow run weapons. This is also not saying I don't like the assassin side of the tree. I do and I have clutched with it but it feels like I am not doing anything to help the team, just allows myself to play mall ninja for a little bit.

[@whatisbestinlife8112]

Be wary of playing as, or more importantly with, stealth zealots. When they go into stealth they of course drop all aggro. Which means those 3 maulers and 2 crushers that they were dodge-tanking as you as the nearbye ranged guy was blasting away are now going to be instantly on your ass to stomp you into greasy paste. More than once I've seen squad situations degrade badly when a stealth zealot gains a bunch of aggro only to go inviso-ninja and drop it all leaving his ranged teammates scrambling to compensate as he runs around trying to get a single backstab off.

[@primedestroyers2170]

also does a bit in the back of the head count as a backstab?

[@primedestroyers2170]

there's no damage difference on a backstab and a hit to the back of the head, at least not on a crusher

[@billylee3095]

I like martyrdom, low hp builds is fun and crazy gameplay, but what i can say from my experience is good with axe or evi, hammer still have hmn weird feeling about fast speed combat mostly their animations + there is 2 talents what help you stand longer 1. Bleed for the Emperor - help with full wounds build 2,. Until Death + holy Revenant there is 3. Restoring Faith but hard to achieve with left side path

[@0bzen22]

I think a full assassin build with knives (fast attack weapon, catachan, duellist maybe) would be interesting. But I still think the risk outweight the reward at present. Although I tried my hand with at assassinating with a hammer, you get huge one shots, guess I'm not good enough to do it consistently. In monster-heavy games, seems it would be quite good.

[@billylee3095]

@@0bzen22 i try few times assassin path, totally not my playstyle, but i saw how zealots or vets doing nice job with this. And knife are fine but sometimes on damnation you need headshot trappers or others specialist like snipers to kill them

[@0bzen22]

Blazing Fury and Chorus of Fortitude combo. I really like this in Auric, especially Maelstrom Quickplay where players tend to get cocky and get punished by a tide of armored specials. Let them reconsider their life choices for a second, recover, and hit back hard. The shroud.... meh. I find I used it primarily for rezzing teammates. It's clutch if your team gets downed a lot, but with high ping, a one-shot clutch hit on a monstrosity can be a coin toss. Otherwise, not that useful. The big boys come in waves, and backstabbing one will leave you in a middle of an angry crowd. Maybe with revolver and long shots, I'd rather leave specials to the other classes though. The classic zealot still good. Double rush, go in, stun and kill a bunch, go out.

[@Deviljavugaming]

I would happily replace it for a Crusader Zealot Sword and shield combo Tank. However, Death Cult Assasin has some crazy move speed and flanking

[@nikolachiara9285]

The shroud definitely has a lot more merit than you give it credit for, would recommend actually looking into it instead of brainlessly writing it off

[@Vuietnam]

Pog

[@Keln02]

With Double Charge, fury of the faithful consumes both charges at once if I hold the key :/ I "jokingly" say that Martyrdom proves Fatshark never made it out of blueberry difficulty because you can't use martyrdom properly in Damnation. Also Zealot martyrdom is an old idea that needs to die: toughness mechanics and chip damage compare in no way to the old grey health. Momentum is probably distance based. (1 every 2m traveled from what I've seen)

[@0bzen22]

Yes, the controls suck. Same with chorus, you can easily cancel it by mistake.

[@Saberdud]

Thank you king, was struggling carrying solo queues with zealot unlike my runs with the other classes, I’ll take a look at this and see if I can readjust

[@supersonicguru1]

Mind sharing your builds and experiences with solo q zel? I would like to hear other's experiences as I'm a zel main

[@Saberdud]

One big difference I noticed is I don't have the CC ability of psyker, the long range superiority of a veteran nor the tankiness of a ogryn, knowing this I had to rely hard on things like blessings and stats. Right now I'm just lvling my zealot to 30 as im 25 and shopping for stronger weapons so I can reach certain breakpoints(like one tapping certain enemies with certain weapons). I used to have cracked out characters on the gamepass server, even having all the OG accomplishments that unlocked all the clothes tied to achievements, so I'm basically lvling all these things again. My go to build was a lacerate blade with flamethrower with awesome blessings, curio was all about HP. @@supersonicguru1

[@paulwalpole6103]

I think I just got kicked from a game by vote for not knowing what a Martyrdom Zealot was... seems fair. also seemed to be the only one picking up any build consumables?? is not picking stuff up a thing now too??

[@Nimoot]

Actually the flames are MUCH different ... surprising you didn't realize... The TALL flames are flames you should not step in... and you usually get a voice line for a barrel exploding or a character tossing a grenade.

[@frostee6162]

10:46 why leave the medpack? :D

[@dik4316]

Oh! that node is for hounds. Derp. I just thought it useless/mildly comedic, so I never tried it.

[@Real-Grandpa]

i hope they release the 2 handed power sword for zealot soon, and also a power sword & shield combo would fit perfectly

[@alexsanchez1620]

2 handed power sword is almost guaranteed to be a veteran weapon as power weapons are for them same way that the leak also had 2 handed force swords for psyker.

[@Patrick-ew6lg]

how shroudfield works with chainweapons?

[@rykenxiv]

Well, here's your reward for asking an interesting question: Shroudfield does affect the saw damage! If you hit something with the special attack and immediately go invis, you get the bonus damage from Shrouldfield but are still invisible and can do it again! This can increase the damage output of all chain weapons even more!

[@Patrick-ew6lg]

thank you @@rykenxiv

[@GreyMaria]

I've noticed that a lot of places where bosses can be encountered have guardrails that I _swear_ never used to be there... This _might_ be because of the funny 3D printed holy relic.

[@hitnfgsbluntd1194]

The Immolation grenades DMG can only be explained as: It's Warhammer 40K, man🤣🤣🤣

[@atomicman7624]

I’m I the only one upset he skipped the node that allows you to passively get rid of corruption

[@Vulcanerd]

The knives seem pretty outclassed by the other options. Yes, they do great weak spot damage, yes they are theoretically Infinite, but the utility the others bring more to the table and, when you already have a ranged weapon. Where I see this ability excelling is if you’re a flamethrower zealot which would give you a long range option, aoe/horde option, and a single target option if you opt for a hammer.

[@fuzzynt3d696]

what do you know about the next update? 🧐🧐

[@petemason57]

The best way to win is know your character and it's part in the fight, then hopefully those who help you will work as a team. This is not a game for loners.

[@Shachza]

Ah. So that's likely what was locking the Plague Ogryn and Chaos Spawn in the one mission I played yesterday. It seemed like every time I doinked a headshot with voidstrike, the boss staggered. I've been trying to test the scenarios, but really I probably just need to find a zealot to hang with. Sounds like a bad dad joke. "A psyker and a zealot walk into the commissary together..."

[@guilhermemaia3959]

Nazareth Math Meme hahahahaha

[@DuelMp5]

why is your accent so familiar

[@randomguyblank1616]

That pronunciation of Ecclesiarch was pretty heretical. Anyways I've really gotten to love sheoudfield with perfectionist because with the right bleasings, you can one shot crushers on damnation...with a catachan knife.

[@waytoobasedx]

Did you have a stroke while typing this up?

[@menciussoh3490]

Your accent sounds… familiar

[@vadim6656]

Malaysian or Singaporean. SEA Chinese. They are great people.

[@billylee3095]

i wish throw grandes with one click like knife,