ALL NERFS REVEALED! Marin was murdered! Big Spell Mage still OP? Wild saved?

Today we take a look at the latest patch notes for the balance patch launching today in Hearthstone that sees nine standard cards nerfed, one wild card nerfed, and one wild card unbanned.
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[@andrewtran630]

So crazy to think yogg used to be 0 mana

[@ixplain]

Lol, true.

[@PsyrenXY]

Fun and interactive

[@neondead2.0.15]

Tbf i miss times when he was 0, since evey class that plays spells could have him for 0.

[@MaphistosChosen]

@@neondead2.0.15 You may think you want it, but really, you don't want it.

[@Thatguy-un4yq]

Yes back when it was literally the best card the game has ever seen it’s crazy blizzard ever thought it was ok😂

[@samuelaiello1977]

it took like 7 expansions to put can’t cost less than one on radiant elemental, good job guys

[@WitchHunterRobin]

And forgot about demon seed, egg hunter and Aviana

[@tarille1043]

@@WitchHunterRobin Aviana will be less relevant with the Dorian nerf. Not as easy to get Dorian to combo into Melon and draw your full scam hand as 1 mana 1/1's.

[@samuelaiello1977]

@@WitchHunterRobin yeah they don’t really care about wild do they hahaha

[@samuelaiello1977]

@@WitchHunterRobin what about thogrun deleting whole decks without being able to destroy the tnts

[@Pit1993x]

7 expansions? More like 7 years. 🤣

[@hexxibojexxi]

I'm convinced the balance team is comprised entirely of Paladin players, because how tf is that class still untouched

[@DavidSmith-cr7mb]

rigged game. cant see it yet?

[@carelesswhisker4155]

they gave out marin for free. They gave us quest after quest where we had to play him x amount of times. And now they're saying they're seeing him too much in standard

[@tomatoesofdoom]

The card has no downsides though, besides having 2 less stats, which is nothing considering its already big enough to play on 7

[@송석호-d2p]

Hella good point…!!

[@filipvadas7602]

Sounds about right. Marin is "old product" now. They don't want him to be in every deck now that the next expansion is right around the corner. Hell, the fact that they are making changes people have suggested for 3 months instead of DURING the expansion tells you everything you need to know.

[@DominikC1994]

They can't have people playing good decks that don't include latest expansion cards. This patch was more about boosting sales for new expansion than actual healthy balance changes.

[@Scarifar1]

It is true that draw 3 and reduce all cost to 0 is hella broken though. That's an insane amount of mana cheating to potentially get.

[@noahdacheese839]

Ngl its wild how different the meta could've been since most of these are reversions. Woukdve been nice if they did this a few weeks earlier

[@dailybestbetswithteemoney3432]

Stop crying

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I really have a hard time believing we would’ve seen more variety of decks if shaman and death knight didn’t get those buffs. It just would’ve been those classes and the other ones still resorting to the same older stuff

[@noahdacheese839]

@@vinnythewebsurfer more innovative than the 2 nerfs we got :/

[@filipvadas7602]

The fact that a good chunk of these are reversions is what baffles. Tsunami going back into its original state is good and Radiant Elemental getting the Sorcerer's Apprentice treatment is a GODSEND. How that thing managed to dodge nerfs for like 7 years is insane!

[@lesiegelad]

I'm my opinion, Kobold should *add* legendaries to your hand. It allows you to still use your synergistic cards, but gives you some new resources. It's nearly 2025. Who cares if your opponent gets a full hand reload of random legendaries on turn 8+? You normally have a pretty full hand to begin with 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@shadowpriest2574]

I disagree. I think the change should be this: Transform your deck into random legendaries. They cost 1(or 2) less. This way, Golden Kobold is a counter to Plagues and TNTs from warrior, and at this point in time, the only counter in standard.

[@Scarifar1]

​@shadowpriest2574 isnt that just the regular monkey the original Elise card gave (minus the 1 mana decrease)?

[@shadowpriest2574]

@@Scarifar1 Is it? Hmm, if true then they would overlap, but it would at least serve a purpose in current standard meta, no?

[@Chimeraeateverything]

@@shadowpriest2574lol killjaeden and the other warlock card already does that.

[@shadowpriest2574]

@@Chimeraeateverything Hmm, i guess you are right. I did not have the new cards in mind. That being said, Kobold would be the neutral version at least instead of only Warlok having access to that.

[@iceygamingrulez]

Demon seed sized hole in the patchnotes

[@liammillard1046]

cant wait for mage to still lock me out the game with tsunami spam

[@MachinegunnerMugZ]

You can bet they will!

[@Neuromindart]

Rip Marin. I don't understand why they didn't just set it to Cost 1. It's better than 0 but also close to what they initially had designed.

[@Rudolphius100]

You can can still play smaller cards right away by this;P

[@lellamas2778]

on the positive side - you still get to draw 3 AND they are reduced by 3! Not bad eh ? I guess - but when you're used to completely broken stuff like draw 3 cost 0... its bad

[@vandieyahya1024]

​@@lellamas2778i mean it is funny right to have DK, 0 mana Primus, 0 mana Reno and 0 mana Yogg?

[@Rudolphius100]

@@lellamas2778 exactly! and people forget zarog's crown is a super strong card as well, so people actually have a choice between those 2;)

[@imaforceanature7297]

Oaken summons really is the poster child for “archetype card where the archetype sucked but the card was repurposed for something broken”. In no uncertain terms it lets Druid have 3 chances of drawing a legendary instead of 1. It goes a really long way in actually enabling druids super combos to be consistent and they really should have just banned it in wild. It’s like shadowstep but we pretend to not notice it since it’s all the way back in wild. The mana nerf to Dorian isn’t what is actually going to kill the deck, it’s the fact Dorian is no longer a target for oaken summons. So they have 1 Dorian in their deck instead of 3 now. I hate that we continue to nerf around this fucking old ass card whose downside of having to run few low cost cards is irrelevant bc Druid ramps past earlygame easily.

[@ep69420]

"The mana nerf to Dorian isn’t what is actually going to kill the deck, it’s the fact Dorian is no longer a target for oaken summons." This is babble because the mana nerf IS what makes it no longer an oaken target lol. That's like saying "I didn't die because I got shot, I died because a bullet entered my brain at a high velocity." There isn't another target for oaken summons that's fast enough, or broken enough, in Wild for Druid to compete with decks that were already better than Dorian Druid either, so I also disagree with your point. While it did probably FEEL bad to lose to it, it had a significantly lower WR than warlock, rogue, priest, and in general most wild aggro strategies, and THATS what makes that format unfun in my opinion. Not the 40% at best highroll memes. My 2 cent. And yes, as far as standard goes, this does kill Dorian for most classes while keeping it an option for druid anyway. I sincerely doubt druid still plays it, but is about the only class who still could.

[@tomokk2276]

tsunami back to 3 is such a nice change

[@chrisostreicher9798]

so, big spell mage is dead ?

[@alaron5698]

​@@chrisostreicher9798 Didn't you watch the video? He said spell mage is out of control and that this nerf may not even be enough. Doesn't sound like "dead" to me.

[@SonOfDeath95]

Marin reward should've never given you 3 free cards, I mean this type of cards where you just cheat out three 10 mana cards for nothing shouldn't be printed in the first place 🤦‍♂️

[@modeg5283]

wait, the store card i just bought that was put back in standard was just for 1 month? and they took my money?

[@trojara2287]

i would love to have a flexible deck building rule between 30 and 40 cards baseline. (32 card deck = 32 starting health), but having the 30/30 or 40/40 rule would also be fine. just something to let me play the cool expensive stuff :(

[@NorwayBound]

Thanks for doing the reviews of the nerfs, as someone who just hit legend, some of these dekcs were auto-losses (spell mage can die in a fire).

[@chaninakosovske6567]

Dorian nerfed! Yay 1600 dust!!

[@bllllood]

dont be too hasty..witchwood piper may replace oaken summon to draw Dorian..slightly less consistence than 2 oaken summon but still

[@Best-SiLenZ]

​@@bllllood you missed the point

[@bllllood]

@@Best-SiLenZ nope i haven't miss the point the nerf was to remove consistency for a broken combo...make it harder to pull off....i'am just saying that it may not entirely be over however....if thats not what you mean then explain what point you had in mind

[@alexina4567]

@@blllloodhe was just saving him for this time and doesnt like the card

[@bllllood]

@@alexina4567 oh lol

[@bannedrhythm4401]

Can anyone tell me how he reaches out to the winner of the giveaway?

[@JakubPekar-qc8wr]

will be finally drekthar back to normal or not ? since there is nerf to radiant element

[@hasanal-aradi5798]

Friendly reminder folks Remember to type refund in your wild collection Rogue legendary Togwaggle got the nerf thanks to the wand nerf (1600 dust) 👍🏻

[@joshlentini9520]

im a control lover okay?, but even i think that a neutral mind control is a bad idea with starships incoming , i would change the mind control to, A a random enemy minion instead of a targeted one, or B, literally anything else that doesnt have a mind control effect involved

[@mr.d4830]

Reno needs to go too.

[@matthewjecelin8358]

Crescendo should've only hit minions

[@Collisto2435]

And then Insanity Warlock nobody has legs

[@ZKEUS]

@@Collisto2435 Good.

[@IrgendsonHeini]

Thanks for the quick reaction. Ingame it doesn't show how Marin was changed. Searched it and found your video. Here's a little algorythm treat for you.

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

I didn't think they'd do so many nerfs, they probably don't want the new set to get dumpstered by the current meta lol.

[@krisraftopoulos8891]

Nice to see tsunami back to 3 water elementals.

[@chrisostreicher9798]

big spell mage is dead ?

[@mariusschumann4071]

cant be dead after a un-buff like this, to many good synergies in the deck, cheating potential, especially the 40 card version tanks enough damage to come to late gemae plays... it will still be viable deck, but most likely less prominet and a little less explosive with -1 elemental 5

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Was the Dazzler buff a mistake or did it simply highlight the multiple other archetypes in PIP being total duds even after getting buffs themselves (Warrior, Hunter, mage before Skyla, rogue again before Skyla, Paladin , priest)

[@squarefunyuns]

which sets are rotating out after the great beyond?

[@Djasphur]

Non

[@FoldUpJohn]

One thing I'm not seeing enough people talk about with all the discussions about quests lately is the fact that there are many quests including the current event quest that won't trigger in battlegrounds but are still earnable in standard arena and tavern brawl so it's either a bug or a decision to deliberately single out battlegrounds players from quest completion

[@mrv9937]

Potentialy spending 10 mana to wand on a turn to get a blank turn on the same turn nice yea Marin became shit for sure,and big mage is still good nice fuckin patch like were tired of big mages for allmost 2 patch and the problem is still unsolved...

[@Zakading]

Sees Radiant Elemental nerf: "Oh nice, no more degenerate infinite combos with Priest!" Sees Crimson Clergy unbanned in Wild: *cries*

[@Sylarko100]

Which card replace party fiend or it will be still ok to play in painlock?

[@mississippitornado6842]

the deck was good before that card too so, wont change anything

[@JacobWrestledGod]

The fiend nerf is big. Having the self pain engine from turn one with fiend was very crucial. Now I am unsure if turn one is as consistent with only Flame Imp advancing win con damage and fighting board

[@robertseptim3579]

I swear, someone or many people at HQ main Warlock because they've been consistently going easy on their nerfs, whenever they rarely appear

[@CreeCore94]

The Tsunami fix is so easy. “Attack random enemy minions” It’s still a giant board swing and tempo swing. But gg to all the people playing that deck, made my legend climb fairly easy and quick this month lol

[@chrisostreicher9798]

big speel mage tsunami is dead ?

[@YehhhJerry]

It would be nice to have the card text and image line up when you scroll

[@RollzRoyce199]

I don't get the hate for buffs as long as they get reverted later. Before the last round of them, PiP was a dead expansion. Now, players get some more dust, and the new cards will be more impactful. Sounds like a win-win.

[@mouseyboy427]

WHY WONT THEY NERF HORIZON’S EDGE????? 4 mana for 15 damage? PLEASE GIVE IT 3 DURABILITY

[@impkiller5932]

I remember when they announced rogue location, all was thinking that it would destroy standart. And all was think that Horizon's edge is a bad card.

[@nuhrii3449]

because its not that good, its only good against midrange and aggro, any deck that plays minions with more than 3 hp will nullify it

[@magicsinglez]

You can I didn’t even see the combo with Popguard and Crescendo. . .

[@westarrr]

Yogg on 10 isn't really gonna change much, but I can't think of any other changes. Dorian should've had a limit of 1 per turn.. Nerf to 5 mana might be too lenient

[@ormondbeachr1]

Honesty. I still feel like some of these nerfs were not enough. With prince coming back they need to look back at warrior and priest because of how much survivability they have

[@larskc11]

I like that they started balancing wild more frewuently

[@ktosj1677]

5:35 I'm pretty sure Zeddy just said that going from 2 to 1 mana is nerf

[@roslolian11]

I like the new philosophy in contrast to Ben Brode era when nothing changes for months and all we get are nerfs and no buffs ever. Being able to make quick changes and then revert or change them even more makes the meta more dynamic and exciting if you don't want quick changes and almost eternal meta go play Wild.

[@gapslip]

They make all combo priest decks completely unplayable yet don't touch hostage mage or many of the other arguably more problematic wild decks. 😂😂😂

[@ConnahGriffin]

Nozmani combo decks are still a thing on priest. And acting like the pirate nerf and the dorian nerf wouldn't hit wild is crazy. Do you also shit from your mouth because you're spouting mad bs

[@RollzRoyce199]

Hostage mage is way less consistent than the combo priest and druid decks. It's still toxic af, but it's not unbeatable.

[@Jill-l9s]

They nerfed radiant elemental not because it was incredibly broken or anything it was because they're releasing this new 2 mana echo card that gives your minions +1+2. So now 3 fun wild archetypes like combo svalna and miracle have to die because of one badly designed card

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

The Radiant change should have been made over a year ago. Although I agree that more changes to other cancer decks would be good too.

[@tarille1043]

Hopefully Dane can get in a few games of Thief Priest before Clergy inevitably gets banned again.

[@Balthazar228]

It’s insane how Blizzard keeps destroying any fun for those players who don’t want to spend 20 minutes on a game only to lose to a random control priest…

[@joachimmencke4804]

I fail to understand why they tend to buff the best cards in a set and not the worst, which shows in the this patch. When a class is bad the buff the actual decent card in that class so often.

[@electricVGC]

Battlegrounds finally getting the Tickatus nerf that Standard players wanted. Not that Tickatus needed to be nerfed, again, for a mode bonus that lets other heroes cheat.

[@censoredname6490]

I don't think treasure distributor was op in standard. If the opponent can't remove it, it can do quite some damage,but its not hard to remove a 2hp minion.

[@michaeltrimble7680]

These are pretty sensible! I dig it! Tsunami is still going to be rough on turn 4 but we’ll figure it out lol.

[@banterbosse8042]

Idk what they are doing with the game how can u buff a card then revert to back how it was before clearly the design team is lost

[@Calypso0905]

I hope this new expansion will be more fun.

[@InternetGravedigger]

Of course Golden Kobold wasn't picked often... typically you have a plan for your deck, and unless your hand is full of useless cards you don't want to ruin your strategy.

[@Run2Seeun]

And there goes another patch that doesn't touch a single card in Questline Warlock...

[@viralityac]

Not sure how I feel about the Razzle nerf. On one hand it seems fair but on the other hand Shaman and DK coming into the meta opened things up. Everything else seems fine though. Marin is still good, it was just so cracked before that the nerf seems super harsh.

[@Dragosaurus1]

:( injured hauler is dead that’s so sad

[@mr.d4830]

good.

[@itzYonko]

Card is literally unplayable

[@SakanaKuKuRu]

Holy crap the wand actually got the Nellie treatment

[@dack400]

One thing I don’t like is how hard it is to catch up for returning players unless you spend a ton of money. Some of the stuff has helped but I wish you could at least pick what pack you get from the tavern brawl, I like the idea of just a voucher for a pack from whatever set you’re needing. It’d be a small way to catch up, but it’d help. Or maybe after X amount of time l, like maybe after the third set is released after the initial release of an older set it’s like half off for a catch up bundle in the shop

[@alefox3797]

nah, i just restarted playing after 4 or 5 months (5 months ago i returned to the game after a year+ time without plaiyng hs) and i have 3 good decks + 3 goodish decks

[@alaron5698]

I just started a week ago after not playing for probably over a year, have crafted nothing, and have just been using the loaner decks. Those decks are good enough to get you quite far from what I've seen. I've been switching back and forth, though I enjoy the ramp druid the most so far, so I think I'llgo for that one. Maybe DK. When you get a solid meta deck full of legendaries and epics for free upon returning, I feel it's not right to complain about no catch-up mechanics for new/returning players.

[@wroot_lt]

I just created Marin deck to use Kobold to generate legendaries hoping to get one for achievements. Now will be easier to play them. Nice :)

[@nunyabeezwax6758]

WHY DOES ELISE'S GOLDEN MONKEY REPLACE HAND AND DECK BUT MARIN'S ONLY HAND? I find this - WEIRD -.

[@penyu1913]

there is literally no reason to buff anything in hearthstone because there are alot of useless cards out there that might see play

[@davequaschnick2559]

Taking suggests for Marin replacements in auto include desks. LUV that Tsunami is now 3 and not 4. Less maths/guess work around board space, and players Not running board clears, so ya just ending up burning cards, cause no space.

[@Asassi1]

Conninving Conman really needed to get changed...

[@Shadovvwithoutbody]

How many training did it take to get there. - "not less than one"

[@chibuzoezeokoli9616]

Kobold should fill your hand with instead. It’s pretty useless when I destroys synergy.

[@SoraZ2112]

I am getting SO much dust from this patch.

[@filo8156]

what about kill demon seed, shadow priest and pirate decks in wild. i think it s time to make huge changes in wild bcs it s not funny right now. u only have 3 options; play super aggressive decks, the demon seed or the questline mage and no other options are aviable in a mode that should have a ton of strong archetypes and instead he has less decks than standard that work. and all theese options are all frustrating to play against if u play something of different

[@nunyabeezwax6758]

MURDERED Marin. Turned it into three far sights... lol

[@animegx45]

This was like a highlight wheel of all of the cards they horrible mistakes with.

[@Wabinator]

Rogue gonna break wand somehow. lamplighter is 4 mana for example

[@BobGnarley.]

[@Djanetheinsane]

RIP Yogg, you will be missed.

[@powerbomb5000]

free engagement comment

[@caseystafford6750]

Them trying to buff the Golden Kobold is just dumb. Yes. It may be legendaries, buts its all RNG, and is thusly BAD. They shouldve buffed the spell that discovers and summons 2 legendaries, by summoning a 3rd one.

[@egonde5895]

what they did to injured hauler is unacceptable and totally uncalled for. I will actually quit playing.

[@Voscor_]

One day they will remember that Elemental Companion can still reduce spells to 0 Sick of getting comboed by mages from full health because they high-rolled the mana cheating elemental

[@tautanemone5725]

Yeaaa….the “nerf” at the doll master do nothing to the Druid in wild

[@laurents4015]

Fuck Dazzler nerf, I wish they didn't just murder hauler since Overheal priest was a very hard deck that only caused problem in top 100 legend, reversions are generally lazy, party fiend nerf is a terrible idea overall because board based aggression should be one of the encouraged playstyles in a healthy meta and I wish they screwed big spell mage over WAY harder !

[@C3l3bi1]

razzler waant even oo at 7 its unplayable

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

@@C3l3bi1 Yes it was op. ??

[@slagbigguy]

So glad hauler was nerfed! It was terrible for any board based deck. Good riddance!

[@alaron5698]

​@@C3l3bi1I really have not enjoyed a 6-drop filling the entire enemy board with 5-drops.

[@aitor2516]

Why would you kill togwaddle druid, its not even a top tier deck bro

[@thumaso]

Tsunami even more consistent now though. The 3 mana tutor make it playable faster even if you dont hit any of the cheat cards

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

Lmao. The main op point of Mage is to have Tsunami played against you on extremely early turns, and then repeated by 4/4. Now it has less burst and if it comes down later than usual, you can easily respond to it.

[@thumaso]

@@ShadowRaZeV1 Maybe, I believe the nerf isnt hitting the problem and it will still be oppressive, but I hope you are right

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

@@thumaso I think you're definitely right. I would have liked some stronger nerfs too. But this will at least drop it down a decent amount.

[@empessah]

i wish the party fiend fel beast got 2/1 buff

[@whitebearXDD]

yesss finally tsunami nerf i hate to play against that card

[@Thecloudmon]

You can still oaken summons hom

[@bwatsup12534]

Im come back to give your videos a chance and somehow you would prefer renethal to stay 😂

[@1KingMajin]

Aye, my Mysterious Challenger is ban??!!!

[@IgnisNatus]

My GOLDEN HESITBARON TOGWAGGLE likes this!

[@rltt379]

marin not going to 6 with these changes is sad, hauler to 1dmg is a catastrophy, at least have it not be injured then. Radiant will be missed however fair play as long as clergy stays, everything else fair, but why not dorian to 21mana

[@BOOSTed14ch]

LETS GO MEGA BUNDLES

[@TheSorrowfulAngel]

Any nerf is good in my book. I really hate how Yogg gives everyone access to a "giga removal" in the mind control - its the kind of thing that just shouldnt be easily accessible. I also lost a game today to a Druid copying Yogg via goblet, so that was "fun". Honestly, I think the card is just a mistake. Took them WAY too long to nerf Tsunami. Honestly, I have no clue why they buffed Tsunami in the first place: Card wasnt good at first... but they had to know that the miniset is coming up. Its asinine to buff a card before a lot of support for the card is released. I think the Marin change works well. Just means that the draw option isnt as overpoweringly good anymore. Nice to see a Dorian nerf... but this is another card I kinda just want gone. I really dont like those cards that read "concede if you cant clear me instantly" on such a low manacost - and heck, Dorian is basically a druid card... so I expect the nerf to not even be that impactful except for the Oaken Summons druids. Radiant Elemental almost feels like a staple of hearthstone, thats how long they took to finally nerf it >.>

[@alaron5698]

Goblet copying Yogg sounds more like a Goblet problem, really. A hand full of any Titan or late-game card is "fun." I never like the high-rolling aspect of Marin, and it wasn't just the draw 3, but pretty much every Marin spell.

[@TheSorrowfulAngel]

@@alaron5698 True, I just wanted to vent a bit lol Id still say Yogg is a problem cause its one of those big "boards dont matter" cards that every slower deck seems to run cause it is neutral. Yeah, I dont care much for marin either. Marin feels like a card that should be "Bad but Fun"(Like the old marin), not "Ran in everything that isnt aggro".

[@paulandsusanmoore79]

Tsunami with only 3 is awesome!!! Fonally

[@traftonstakes1553]

I swear every gold rank player is playing the exact same big spell mage

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

You mean every player in the entire game? That would be correct.

[@piusyeh8693]

holy shit marin is absolute garbage now. They should have done 3 cards cost 1 or 2 cards cost 0 but damn, way to kill a f2p legendary

[@alaron5698]

I don't know man, I think people are a bit spoiled by Marin's previous absurdity. Drawing 3 spells and then having them cost 0 was just ridiculous. Felt like cheating. "When all you know is being OP, being balanced feels unfair."

[@pikac4581]

Wondrous Skull of Guldan

[@ActualGigachadEZ]

why does crescendo still hit face. How do i play around crescendo blizzard

[@RollzRoyce199]

Renathal

[@just_a_joke1]

You actually play cards that kill your opponent instead of doing nothing but pressing armor up.

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Thank god distributor got nerfed.

[@Rudolphius100]

I think magestone is back to warriorstone now

[@zoltarth]

holy moly they murdered wand lol, seems fair at the end of the day

[@bakad5458]

i just dusted yogg bro i shoulda waited 😭

[@vitalepitts]

WAIT WTF RENETHAL IS ONLY LEGAL FOR A MONTH?????????? NOO

[@Tatercon]

Damn they killed overheal priest what do we do to counter turbo agro now

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

Try a normal control deck maybe (:

[@Tatercon]

@@ShadowRaZeV1 there is a reason real control hasnt passed bottom of t2 in forever. Id be playing that instead if therevwas

[@ShadowRaZeV1]

@@Tatercon Good point