DISPROVEN Zelda Theories & Mysteries

[@Zeltik]

Thanks for watching! What was your favourite disproven Zelda theory? Apologies if this had a midroll ad for you, it auto-added them! Should be turned off now!

[@VXGA7]

The Jabu's Jabu's ;D

[@01001011010010010100]

The "all zelda games are inaccurate folklore/fables/legends retelling the same basic stories in different ways"-theory is a neat concept, but the fact that we have an official timeline disproves it.

[@GrandadsLounge]

Bruh I'd rather watch ads for you then 99% of youtubers. Put them at the start, we wont mind!

[@beepboopboppitybop]

This is an old one. Back when the first 3D Zelda came out, people theorized if link would ever talk.

[@legendofzeldaforlife8374]

When is the next ocarina of time temple video coming out?

[@DoJayMi]

I never once thought that Ganondorf wrote Ruto's letter. I always saw it as she was in denial that she wrote the letter because she didn't want to reveal she asked for help.

[@TarantoHector]

Exactly.

[@pheroe5303]

Spot on, I couldn’t comprehend how people came up with that one

[@jordanjoestar9096]

I assumed ganon looked to the window because he could sense their presence but not neccesarily see them if that makes sense. I think i read somewhere the power of the triforce tends to draw the pieces together. Thats just my interpretation anyways.

[@Fyrmer]

Ruto even quotes the "Don't tell my father" bit word for word to Link after you save her. I thought that made it pretty clear she was the note's author.

[@DoJayMi]

Fyrmer my thoughts exactly.

[@duser]

I laughed so hard at imagining Ganondorf making a pretty little letter and putting it neatly into a bottle for link to read a few days later.

[@Caztendo]

I was thinking that too lmao

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

@@Caztendo Might have even added a bit of perfume to it XD image if their had been a pair of lips in lipstick on it as well XD

[@Caztendo]

Mangaka2004 Dude get out of my mind Lol That exactly how I thought it would be 🤣

[@armoredanteater609]

If you think about it, Ganondorf being raised by a group of all women would probably lend to "prettier" handwriting

[@duser]

@@armoredanteater609 OH no..... I can picture it now. Ganandorf wearing the Gerudo Vei outfits before they had a Va outfit. Bra, head bangles, nose peirced, birght big eyes with makeup.

[@lnsflare1]

Link: "Damn you, Ganondorf! I was completely fooled by your masterful imitation of pretty princess handwriting!" Ganondorf, who was raised from birth entirely by women in order to be their leader and now reflexively dots all his i's with hearts: "Yes. I imitated the handwriting of a pretty princess. That is definitely the thing that I did."

[@Attackontrashcan]

You don't have to call him out like that

[@dasutanehineri]

you fuck, thats my headcanon now my headganon

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

I can't believe there's anyone who played this game and read the text on the screen and came to some conclusion other than 'this bitch be lying.' Seriously, even if you aren't familiar with the Japanese tsundere trope thing, it's so obvious, even in the English version. However... you just made my day. You've completely flipped this from some I-can't-believe-there-are-people-this-stupid-out-there theory to an inside joke that I feel might become an ironic headcanon over time.

[@Garfewloid]

Yeah for surw

[@JikuAraiguma]

@@dasutanehineri HEADGANON APPLY *DORIYAH* TO THE FOREHEAD

[@Ninjaananas]

The pyramide looked like a graphic bug to me. The theory with Ruto's letter is anyway way too unlikely because Ganondorf knew almost nothing of Link. He only saw him with Zelda through the window and that's it.

[@jerryborjon]

Didn’t Ganondorf’s plan revolve entirely around letting Link collect the three artifacts and open the sacred realm for him? He’s also done stuff like this in the past. In A Link to the Past, Ganon’s plan was exactly the same, though that time it was to escape the sacred realm rather than to get into it.

[@Ninjaananas]

@@jerryborjon He assumed that Link hold the key to the Sacret Realm and that was after seeing him for the second time. When he first saw him, he only saw him being next to Zelda and nothing else. At the second encounter where Link opposed him, it gave much more incentive to assume that Link is plotting something with Zelda as opposed to the first time where he should not even be able to tell whether Zelda was up to something. And A Link to the Past is in Zelda lore after OoT. In OoT, Zelda was still quite young.

[@Sprinkles7652]

Isn’t Ganon all magical and stuff? Couldn’t he predict what Link was going to do? Or couldn’t those witch sisters (whatever the heck their names are. Koume and something else?) have told Ganondorf that Link was key to the stones?

[@jerryborjon]

Ninjaananas - Ganondorf counted on Link getting all three artifacts, including the forest one which he gets at the start of the game, before they even meet for the first time. And I don’t get what you said by “A Link to the Past is in Zelda lore after OoT.” It doesn’t really matter, since I brought up ALttP to point out that Ganondorf had made Link open the Sacred Realm previously in the series.

[@shadenox8164]

@@jerryborjon Nope. Ganondorf was entirely focused on trying to get the things he needed to open the gate for the first half of the game. Ganondorf himself even mentions he decided to follow Link on an inkling he might have had the keys to the sacred realm.

[@onadaTotihotiH]

I’m sorry, but the mental image I had of Ganondorf trying to figure out how to make a convincing fake letter was hilarious

[@owenbridgers]

I mean he was raised in an all women society so it would make sense for him to have the ability to mimic a “Female” writing style

[@bakubread9308]

Ruto's situation is so obviously just her being too stubborn to admit she had to ask for help. She's high and mighty enough to make you carry her through the dungeon, it should be pretty obvious even in the english translation.

[@PTp1ranha]

I have some friends who've turned the pyramid into a meme amongst themselves, so it was eerie to see someone else talk about it.

[@bkking18]

It's crazy how much of a difference it is between looking at the Japanese text and English text!

[@KingExalted]

Sometimes Japanese text gets mistranslated and thus American players end up speculating different things.

[@BigGamingBossMan]

Exalted and then the developers are left tearing their hair out of their heads

[@quinnsinclair7028]

Like in Skyward Sword, Demise's "curse" in the original japanese actually sounds a lot more like he's declaring war between the demon tribe and the surface world for all time. Not cursing Link and Zelda's spirit and bloodline specifically.

[@lanasmith4795]

@@quinnsinclair7028 your typo is now making me think about Link and Zelda has spiritual abs

[@jamesscurryiii193]

Then there's the whole BotW journal which is written by Link but made to look like generic mission lists outside Japan instead of like a diary.

[@AnonymousFREEZEpOp1]

I had no idea there was actually any dispute that Ruto wrote the letter, I always read into her protestations as her being embarrassed. Lol

[@BaronSengir1008]

Or her being stubborn...

[@janTesika]

bit of a tsundere...

[@marthmallow7420]

stubborn and demanding. i hate her, because i was exactly like her as a child

[@SrTNick1]

The pyramid one was really cool, it's awesome to imagine what it was like for people to wonder about secrets before datamining and mod tools were a thing. I'd honestly love another video like this, it's fairly fascinating stuff.

[@GrimmShadowsII]

Yeah I find videos about theories to be interesting even if they have been proven wrong. It helps you see things in different ways or shows you other people have thought the same thing you have, and both of those can be good things

[@phoenixdark9]

Agreed, before the hack tools, there was so much mystery. After the hack tools, I am just sad... sad because they reveal just how much was cut from the final game. If you look at the whole “Haunted Wasteland” (the desert) you can see that it is massive but you are restricted to somewhere around 10% of it. Clearly something bigger was planned for that area. Theory: I think the Big Poe hunt was suppose to take place is that desert (hence the Haunted Wasteland) and that the Poe Dealer was hanging out in that small structure as opposed to the smashing pot room in Hyrule Castle.

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

I recall reading as a teen about the Temple of Light and finding people who had managed to piece screenshots, I always wondered afterward if they were edited pictures or it was from people with more resources who had modded the game a bit.

[@duchi882]

Unpopular Theory: Link is a silent protagonist because all he'll be saying is, "Well excuuuse me, Princess" if he can speak

[@tyrstone3539]

"I'm so hungry I could eat an octorock." - Barack Obama

[@AnonymousFREEZEpOp1]

Highly unpopular

[@stonestudios1727]

No, he is a silent protagonist because his voice actor fell down the stairs and died. Nintendo recorded his screams and used them in the games.

[@jase9319]

Wow. I think I would rather die than play a Zelda game where that is the truth.

[@CosmicCreatorCat]

@@jase9319 Notice that I removed a BS comment. Link has been voiced by over a dozen people(amusingly, 18 out of 40 times by the same two women voicing 'toon link')

[@iwasanMBTInerd]

If you've played Ocarina of Time, in the Kakariko Graveyard, there is a tomb you can enter by pulling back one of the tombstones. Inside the hole is a large area with a skull, some horse bones and a chest with a Hylian Shield inside. Rocks also block further back into the tomb, which actually lead to a small fairy fountain. My own headcanon is that the tomb belongs to Link's father and he and his steed were buried there after being killed in battle during the Hyrulean Civil War. To honor his memory, his trusty shield was buried with him, locked away in a chest in the center of the tomb. It makes it more impactful and meaningful to me if I think of Link getting his father's shield and becoming a hero with it at his side, seeing him grow into it even.

[@GrimmShadowsII]

That's a pretty good theory, after all we know almost nothing about his father and it's not unheard of for a person to be buried with a prized possession or even a pet. I haven't played OoT in awhile but that definitely sounds like a good possibility.

[@ilovethelegend]

@@urias134 Except for Link, who, until the start of the second act, believes himself to be a kokiri who simply lacked a fairy.

[@Mari_Izu]

@@urias134 Link didn't know nothing about his origins until Deku's Sprout told everything.

[@HylianWolfMage55]

@@urias134 except Link presumably didn't know he was adopted until he finishes the Forest Temple, so he probably would have no idea he'd be stepping into his father's tomb, since you can enter it as soon as you get the bomb bag as child Link.

[@reviandelumiel2833]

I remember the hole, but I don't remember any shield In the chest. I'm pretty sure I found another thing. Besides, I see you've forgotten you don't have enough proofs; it could be the tomb of any other knight, or maybe just a hidden path to a fairy fountain

[@BirdieSenpai]

"Incredibly unsatisfying video." Zeltik, don't make me come over there and beat you with the truth stick. It was a damn good video. This is genuinely the first I have ever heard of anyone suggesting that anyone other than Ruto wrote the letter in the bottle. I had no idea anyone had ever speculated that Ruto didn't write it.

[@lucidelockhart9168]

Had to double take when he said that. Then laughed.

[@MJTRadio]

I've never heard that "Ganondorf wrote Ruto's letter" theory before, but it sounds so entertaining I really wish I had before I immediately heard it disproven.

[@Schwarzorn]

Yeah. I think it would be cool if Gannondorf had been a bit more of a puppeteer in the shadows for the beginning of the game. I feel like it would’ve added to the game.

[@austin-1993]

Game theory is also disproven by the dialogue in Majora's Mask, where as a few characters make mention of how "lively" or "full of life" Link is.

[@_Teej_264]

Coulda been a workable theory to say everyone else was dead and he was the only living character, and that's why they are all in a purgatory until he helps

[@byronlyons3548]

​@A B Well it is, considering Link isn't the only alive person in Ikana Canyon. Yet they only mostly say that about him. Also, how would you go about killing a person who's already dead? That wouldn't make sense. Just face it, it's disproven, like for a long while by now, not only by the two games themselves, but also Hyrule Historia.

[@General12th]

@@byronlyons3548 I get the impression you *really* don't like his theory. This isn't your first comment that basically boils down to "it's disproven, get over it, stop talking about it".

[@byronlyons3548]

@@General12th Because the theory is debunked, straight from the get go. Not only by Majora's Mask, but Twilight Princess as well. With the whole 5 stages of grief being only coincidence, as the directors have said. Again, it's just how it is. So there's no point of bringing up that "theory" at all, as it has no meaning anymore. Not even for the fun of it. Unless you want to make fun of Matpat when he messes up, and makes a truly out there theory that doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the end. Otherwise just drop it and move on.

[@metalicandupbeat]

@@byronlyons3548 I believe the reason that this theory get’s brought back up, even if so heavily disproven, is especially for the fun of it. It is worth considering that Matpat is aware that many of the Game Theories can be disproven; if not by conflicting evidence, then by the very creators of said games. I mean, if he was right about all of his theories, there would be way more messed up things going on in Nintendo games than Link being dead. But I believe that people watch them anyways because they’re fun to watch and think about. Furthermore, I feel that Majora’s Mask is a great game because of how dark it is and the depth it gives to so many characters. Even if disproven, the Link being in purgatory theory is one that tries to give depth to Link himself.

[@CZsWorld]

I'm surprised not to see the Tetraforce Theory here.

[@macafromthewired]

@@Verecundius so are all the other theories in this video

[@felixmckinney7132]

When did it get disproven?

[@shadenox8164]

@@felixmckinney7132 To be disproven it would first need something to be built on.

[@NOOBLETK]

I like to imagine that Gannon did write that letter. Splayed out on his stomach, on the floor with a box of crayons, kicking his legs in the air as he ends the letter with a drawing of Jabu eating Ruto.

[@brianv9242]

The only mystery I want be disproven is why wind waker hd still hasn’t been ported to switch

[@kohltonclark22]

The Legend of Zelda The Windwaker HD

[@demonicthan742]

@@kohltonclark22 Huh?

[@pointystories582]

@@kohltonclark22 That's on the Wii U, we're talking about the Switch.

[@sammyshehole]

Exactly. Nintendo probably knows a lot of people ditched their Wii U when they bought a Switch. And I would assume a port of both games would be easy to do. Just do it, Nintendo.

[@m0skaudancer]

And TP and SS... Nintendo has to know there are plenty of people clamoring for the chance to buy them.

[@Element.Nullify]

After all these long years I'm still learning stuff about oot

[@Joe-ik1ph]

I'm always fascinated by the proper translations of the Japanese versions of the Zelda games. They change how I look at certain scenes of the game. I honestly believed that Ganondorf could have written the letter in the bottle until I saw this video.

[@nonoctoro4933]

Then I have a wonderful website for you! Saddly, the site is down but you can still access to the archives with this link : web.archive.org/web/20191120042213/forums.legendsalliance.com/topic/14202-translation-of-japanese-game-texts/page-46

[@GabePuratekuta]

How?? It's so obvious she's too proud and stubborn to admit she asked for help

[@General12th]

@@GabePuratekuta Well, it's clearly not "so obvious", otherwise the other hypothesis wouldn't exist. If you can't imagine how someone could look at the same evidence and come to a different conclusion... well, maybe that's a you problem.

[@retsaweman]

He could have still written it, just mimicing how Ruto would have written it, like is that not a possibility?

[@shadenox8164]

@@General12th Uh no. Missing the obvious would be a them problem?

[@InfinFox]

Nice video :3 I've never heard of the OoT Pyramid before, that was seriously interesting to learn about :p

[@vedantmhatre3476]

I was so amazed that how small loose unrelated threads surprisingly summed up into a such a big theory. I spent half an hour foraging and called enough storms to flood the desert just to get a glimpse of 'The Infamous Desert Pyramid'

[@z3ldafanjuli3]

I didn't know the Ruto one was even a theory. I always just assumed she thought asking for help was (to her) a sign of weakness or something. So, she denied writing the letter.

[@Mike01029]

I always thought Ruto was too embarrassed to admit that she wrote the letter asking for help

[@THJ13]

I thought the nail in the coffin for Ruto writing the letter was actually something said after you beat the dungeon. Ruto echos what was said in the letter word for word "Don't tell my father", after giving Link the spiritual stone.

[@TheDarkFable]

The stupidity of the "Link is Dead Theory" angers me to this day. It came out YEARS AFTER twilight princess AND the Hyrule Historia. Like holy crap I'd understand if the theory was written before Twilight Princess, but to make such a "theory" after not only a sequel game disproves it, but a compendium of lore that makes it even more concrete "no, Matpat, he's not fking dead" is just....insane. But really what made it worse what his fanbase PARROTED him, every Zelda video for YEARS that even mentioned majoras mask had some dumbass kid in the comments go "Hey did you know Links ACTUALLY DEAD". It drove me mad I swear.

[@yang6642]

Yeah it’s pretty annoying when people treat a theory as 100% factual, especially when there’s plenty of evidence stacked against it, ah well, idiots will be idiots.

[@raynethescribe2772]

I... always thought that Ruto did ask for help with the letter, but denied it when help actually came because she's honestly a freaking tsundere and probably too proud to admit she asked for help...

[@TheGurumash]

Ruto denying that she wrote the letter really does fit with her Archetype of Hime/Tsun-dere, (Weeb speak for Princess/Bitchy person that loves you but won't admit it). Especially since the Letter specifically asks you NOT to tell her Father, which Link has to in order to get to her. And in her mind, if you weren't going to adhere to her request, then she shouldn't waste her time with you. Her opinion of Link obviously changes after Link proves his awesomeness and then she's all "Link, you're gonna Marry me, you just don't know it yet... ba-ba-baka"

[@lucmorris9183]

I love how good friends Zeltik and NBC are!

[@sparrowflyaway]

I always thought Ruto was just being stubborn and trying to deny that she needed and asked for help, even though she actually did.

[@dirtcollector]

OoT has this quality about it that no other game matches in my opinion. at lot of people will see it as a basic 3D game from with muddy textures and clunky models. and theyre right. but theres so much more to this game

[@redwidow1358]

The game is way more visually appealing when played in an emulator and upscaling the textures

[@saraross8396]

Agreed. It will always remain my favorite Zelda game, an honor it currently shares with two others (Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild). It may have to share with more games as time goes on, but it will always have that something special that cannot be put into words.

[@BigGamingBossMan]

That basic 3D game was a blueprint for most if not all action adventure games that followed. So yeah it deserves the praise

[@christianbaker3564]

The 🐐 of all games lol. It's nearly perfect in my opinion and like the last guy said, basically wrote the map for 3d games.

[@erievanillacoffee6048]

The last one was pretty bad :c But the pyramid one and swordsman's gave a feeling like Hmm! That could be something so awesome! The pyramid has a feeling similar with the Sky Temple thing in OoT

[@elitegamer9310]

Who else was thinking about the Tetra Force theory during the video?

[@Mari_Izu]

It's dumb, but not disproven.

[@romulosarzenski]

It's not a dumb theory. Just a weird one.

[@elitegamer9310]

@@romulosarzenski It didn't make any sense. There is no need for a 4th piece of the Triforce. The Triforce already had the power to grant wishes, so what point was there in a 4th piece? The only piece of evidence was a design of the Hylian shield from OoT, that has since never been seen again. It was just a bad theory, with no ground to be built on.

[@Edgeperor]

Bugmen Fan actually it is, mainly because the people who make the games have said that the Triforce has three pieces

[@devonm042690]

@@romulosarzenski Actually it kinda is. The upside down triangular space in the middle is just a result of the way the triangles are put together. It was cute at first, but those perpetuating the 'theory' even now don't know what they're talking about. Honestly, you want something for it to mean? It's a representation of Hyrule's counterpart in Lorule, where everything, even the Triforce, is an inverse of Hyrule. The space in Lorule's Triforce is, in turn, a representation of its counterpart in Hyrule. In this way the empty space in the middle gets filled in in a kaleidoscope fashion by infinitely repeating alterations between the Lorule and Hyrule triforce, each getting progressively smaller to fill the gap in the center of the previous, and yet in turn the Triforce you start with could always theoretically be just another step in the kaleidoscope, with a larger inverse Triforce to see if you pan back. If there were to be an inverted triangle as a fourth piece, then first off the pieces would have been called the Tetraforce of Power, Wisdom, Courage, and blank instead of the Triforce of Power, Wisdom, and Courage, but the idea of the Sacred Triangle being a scale that weighs the heart would be off-balance itself to begin with since and inverse triangle would have to represent something that fundamentally opposes the three forces of Power, Wisdom, and Courage. And no, the space in the center is not the 'True Force to govern all' that is granted to those who have the three forces in balance when they touch the Triforce. That's the bigger triangle identical in orientation to the pieces that the three together form.

[@derryair9419]

I'm convinced Majora's Mask is about Link processing Navi's death/disappearance in a dream, after getting knocked out in the Lost Woods looking for her. The entire game is about processing the loss of a loved one, hell even the "main" villain is processing the loss/abandonment of his friends. All of the characters, objects and areas resemble the things he encountered in OOT but a bit warped, similar to how dreams replay and draw from memories. The time element may be how many days he was unconscious for? I'm unsure on that front but that game reeks of grievance and acceptance in a dream, it's even set in a place called Termina, it literally derives from the word Terminate/Terminus. I have a feeling that the dream is what convinced Link to stop looking for Navi once he woke up. It's like that final kick in the butt that made him really come to terms with Navi leaving.

[@CuriousKey]

Nice theory! I think it does a better job of incorporating Navi than the link is dead theory. Twilight Princess doesn't even directly contradict the link is dead theory either, as if Majora is just a symptom of the process, then the whole scene where link searches for Navi in the forest is also part of the death-dream, otherwise the Skullkid couldn't have turned up there. Link could easily have lived a long and full life, but dreamed himself as a child once he died, which isn't exactly uncommon. Also even if you take it as a contradiction, and this is an important bit: Nintendo could easily have intended the link is dead theory as the canon interpretation of Majora's Mask, and then went on to write Twilight Princess anyway - or are we going to take Nintendo as never writing contradictions into Zelda lore?

[@LozPlaya]

@@CuriousKey the only problem with this is that the swordsman spirit in TP is awash with grief still. If Link in MM has truely accepted his death, this would not be the case in TP. He would have rest already.

[@LozPlaya]

actually the word termina comes from Terminal, as in like an airport terminal. Eiji Aonuma is on record saying that is where they got the name from. becuase Link is passing through to another world, like you would pass from one country to another via a terminal.

[@XkitkatersX]

Super fun vid! Disproven theories are a lot of fun too, bc theories are run to make bc of the journey of putting pieces together.

[@saraross8396]

There's also the fact that after the stone is recovered Ruto says she dropped it as she was feeding Jabu Jabu because she was startled. She also says that crawls around inside him all the time, and has been doing so since she was little. We can conclude that she was too embarrassed to admit that she sent it, especially when you consider what she says after defeating the Barinade: "I was just lonely, that's all! Just a little!" The bottle in and of itself is a rather complex mystery. There is the question of how she got it out to begin with, but far more interesting is its journey. Assuming it floated downstream in more or less a direct line to where it is found, it would have to pass by King Zora (without getting stuck on the one fence it has to pass), the diving game operator, and at least one or two other Zoras. I wonder how absolutely no one spotted it. It's possible that it passed during the night when they were asleep, but that logic fails pretty quickly as Ruto would have been deemed missing by then. The search would have started immediately and gone on into the night. What about the waterfall that dumps into Zora's River? It could not have floated that way when you consider the route. It would have to go down the river, get through north Hyrule Field, the moat, Gerudo Canyon, and then halfway across the lake while avoiding getting stuck on shallow bits and at least three grates. That leaves the lake shortcut, yet as I said that is equally absurd due to the amount of people it has to pass. Perhaps we shouldn't over think things like this. I'd never heard the other two theories before.

[@lanreakerele4375]

When I was on the Gerudo dessert mission in Ocarina of Time, it was actually difficult to spot the pyramid in the sandstorm but the 3Ds version of the video game makes very easier for the players to spot with clues.

[@Morgil27]

Did people seriously not realize that Ruto was lying? I thought it was obvious as all hell.

[@steveluna1627]

So basically Ruto's mistranslation occurred because at the time tsundere characters weren't popular in the US so the translators took her declarations at face value

[@WarmLillie]

Some theory are correct and some other are wrong. In the end it’s fun to make and if it’s wrong or right gives more info about the Zelda world and history.

[@lrc2k8]

@Zeltik, The creators were most likely thinking about Ancient Egypt. When they created the Haunted Wasteland and the Spirit temple.

[@FLYINGKITTEHARMADA]

Not a theory-based comment, but I just wanted to say I absolutely loved the transition effects in this video! I don't remember seeing them used in any other vids for this channel before this one. My favorites were the animated looking swipes that felt like painting and brushstrokes! Thank you for making such wonderful and sound LoZ theory vids, Zeltik! It's always a treat to see you've uploaded a new video!

[@NateIsCorrupt]

I love the Haunted Wasteland in Ocarina of Time. To think there are still mysteries to be uncovered in that game is amazing!

[@They_are_Arthur]

I got legit chills at seeing that pyramid in the desert.

[@TomWDW1]

Great video!! I'd love to see more "This is what we thought ..." videos. Like disproven theories or old predictions for new Zelda games that were wrong. I love those videos.

[@biscuitslash5443]

I respect any theorist of these types of games who actually checks the original Japanese script to get the best insight possible on what the writers *intended* to make the characters say. Great work!

[@aikoluna3480]

Lol in 5 seconds Zeltik said why I don’t like game theory anymore, he uses what proves his theory and ignores things that disprove it

[@bandawin18]

It's still entertaining though, I always take what he says with a grain of salt anyway, but it's fun to hear his theories

[@87ccantu]

This video was very satisfying. I often feel some peole read WAY to much into artistic work looking for hidden gems based off WAY too much speculation. Dont beleive me? Whatch a 20 min game theory where he peices 5 different games together to end with "its just a theory".

[@87ccantu]

I know im being pessimistic and a bit ingnorant as they do put stuff in games as reference. But, seriously people sometimes its just the edge of a cliff lol.

[@arcticdino1650]

Only the Sacred Blade can be used to perform this technique Other Links doing great sword spins without master sword: confused

[@norrecvizharan1177]

I mean, technically the master sword counts as a sacred blade, so maybe they sorta have an excuse. Definitely doesn't make sense for the ones that can pull it off with regular swords though.

[@PixiePrincess501]

The debunking of the Desert Pyramid in OOT kinda makes sense if you think about it: This game came out back when CG animation was just starting out in video games, so the majority of the textures/shapes were based on very rough polygons. That shape seen when using the Song of Storms, as described in this video is a good example!

[@ironencepersonal9634]

As for that last one, if it wasn't for Ruto stuttering, it could be reasoned that Ganondorf studied Zora speech patterns and writing to make the message as accurate as possible.

[@lordtullus9942]

I mean, ruto IS a big ol' Tsun-tsun

[@1993Southparkfan]

The problem with Ganondorf writing Ruto's letter is how is he supposed to know Ruto was inside Jabu Jabu in the first place?

[@MagdaleneNimptsch]

I think Ganondorf would have probably been smart enough to adapt his writing style for the letter to make it seem like the Zora princess would have written it herself. Regardless, I still think that she probably wrote it herself and was embarassed. It fits her character.

[@eksmad]

1st: Thanks for listening about placing the ads and the transition to it, although you never directly answered. 2nd: To be honest, this video was VERY satisfying!! It was a really fresh direction to see rumours disproved :) well done!

[@BingFox]

Can you tackle the Sages are Dead theory from Ocarina of Time? Too many Zelda channels state it as true, imo. I just don't see any evidence of them being dead.

[@ShadowSkyX]

Sacred realm = heaven. Saria - it is destiny you and I can't exist in the same world Darunia - this medallion contains the fire spirits - and our friendship. Please take it. Ruto - I confess my love to you...but I can't offer that now... Impa - protect the princess on our behalf Nabooru - if only I knew what a handsome man you'd become... These sound like regrets of the dead to me. Think about it, you met back up with Ruto in Jabu jabu's belly, and she leaves with you...and no one does that as an adult. _No one._ If you play Saria's song before getting the hookshot, you get a rather chilling conversation - or rather a plea for help, begging link to come save her because the forest temple is full of monsters; she is trapped. And I think i know what happened to her: the last Poe sister you face in the forest temple. The color purple is the color of death; death and four are pronounced very very similarly in Japanese (that's why the MM title screen is colored so, not because link is dead, but the game deals with the grief of losing everyone in oot, particularly navi). She is the fourth Poe, she can make three bodies... having 4 in total and she surrounds you. She is laughing at you when you see her. Maybe she's laughing because she thinks you were done in. Maybe she's laughing at something you don't know. Maybe shes laughing at some private joke. Or maybe she's laughing... because you were too late to save Saria and now she's going to do the same to you. She is the inevitably truth that Link denies as reality. Darunia was too far away for Navi to hover around. Pretty convient, but now I suspect he might've already died by the time you showed up, and his spirit, unable, unwilling to move on, stayed just outside the boss door so he could relay the situation, so his people could be saved in his stead - the room which we never him physically go in. Only the sound of the door open and shut, locking behind him. I suspect he sealed the door with magic or his soul until you got the proper key. It seems bizarre to me he wouldn't free his people first. Water magic in media is ofren portrayed to cast illusions, show reflections of the heart etc...after all, sheik doesn't specify she saved Ruto's _life,_ just that she managed to save her from under the ice. I believe the curse trapped their souls within the thick ice sheets, and it was not a simple insta freeze over. She speaks as though the other zora are alive, yet her father and shop keeper are the only ones we see at the domain. "Saving" is interpretive in this case. In order to "save them all" and the domain, the curse has to be broken. Again she does not explicitly state to wanting to save their lives. Just to "save them", like saving their souls from icy imprisonment. She could not move on until they were free. Impa's...self explainitory. The way shiek speaking of her, Impa was alive when she went in, only to likely die to bongo bingo or some gruesome way. But given the hellish nightmare place the shadow temple is - after all, the boat and the river are for spirits being taken to the afterlife; basically it's the underworld. Fitting and a good segway into the spirit temple. You watched Nabooru die right in front of you. Now as a kid, I thought she was transported somewhere else, after all they were supposedly going to brainwash her again and make her work for Ganondorf a little longer. _However,_ I believe it was the German? Translation that had Koume and Kotake called "the killer grannies". Raura is the very first sage you meet. The owl though, never speaks to link as an adult. It is pretty clear he is able to see outside the flow of time...and someone would likely have to be in a higher plane...or in heaven, to know what Link has been doing or that's he's matured as an adult. The only place you see Rauru himself in the overworld in any capacity...is hyrule castle. He is the king of hyrule. Fitting, that the castle was attacked first, and he's conviently the first sage you meet? Navi at the end...was a spirit heading into the light: her task to aid link during his quest was done. She could move on...except link couldn't accept that. OoT is the adventure, the mask. MM is the unveiling of what was there all along in the first game - mainly through the clues in the dungeon and temple design, but even the difference between the child and adult items. The trauma from the experience, the deaths he was unable to prevent, that he was too late for or helplessly watched happen right in front of him. The emotional scars it created that never healed. It is why Majora's Mask is as dark of a game as it is.

[@kenhollis6197]

I always thought it was likely that they had died because they were all in immediate danger before you reach the boss and they all seem to vanish. Saria is inside her temple and is calling for help because of the monsters. Darunia enters the boss room but is gone when you get there, plus he expresses his doubt because he doesn't have the hammer. Ruto floats upward and vanishes. Impa goes into that hellish temple but is gone. Nabooru, of course gets blasted by the witches. I know they say they're enslaving her again, but she just got the crap slashed out of her by Link. The above post is much more elaborate, but you get my point.

[@saraross8396]

@@ShadowSkyX Rauru does speak to Link as an adult. It is only once, outside the Spirit Temple. We never see the King of Hyrule, nor is his name given, so do you have any proof that he is the King outside of him appearing in Ganon's Castle like the other sages do when you dispel the barrier? All the other kings that we see, from the first in A Link to the Past to the most recent in Breath of the Wild, wear a crown. Rauru doesn't wear one. It does look grim for some, but the sages are very much alive. Nabooru certainly does not, as you put it, "die before your eyes." As a child we see her sucked into a magic vortex, and as an adult she vanishes in a flash of light after they say, "Let's brainwash her again." Why would they bother with that if they were just going to kill her? Lastly, how do you explain all of them, except Rauru, appearing on Death Mountain during the credits? They look very much alive, and also have none of the indicators that they are ghosts. Outside of the general ghost enemy version (usually similar to a Boo), the Zelda series has three ways, used either singly or in combination, to identify a character that is no longer among the living. They are either transparent while sometimes fading in and out, carrying a lantern, or have a bluish, greenish light(s) flickering about them. Occasionally they'll have a halo. To use an example from the game, Dampe will suffice. We absolutely know he dies. He has a halo, carries a lantern, and while to my recollection he isn't very transparent, he does fade in and out a bit. The sages have none of these, not even the halos which even the Twinrova get.

[@BingFox]

@@ShadowSkyX That's a ton of speculation, friend.

[@BingFox]

@@saraross8396 Precisely my point, there's more actual evidence for them to be alive than dead in the game.

[@all2easygoing]

Dang, friend, those are some slick transitions! I always appreciate the quality editing in your videos, but it just keeps getting better every time. Great work! Also, I always thought that pyramid was just the sky-box clipping through unused, additional terrain.

[@mutahard1632]

Who would buy Wind Waker and Twilight Princess AGAIN if it were ported over to the Switch? 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♀️

[@TheDarkFable]

I mean Twilight maybe cause I never got the HD version, but my Wii U is still perfectly functional and unless they "finish" the game I don't see a need to.

[@WintrBorn]

As I never owned either, yeah.

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

As a fanatical fan and collector of Zelda, I'd happily add it to my collection.

[@piggyreet6739]

I would because the first time I got it it was used and when I put it in my wii it broke pretty quickly and I barely got passed the part where I get into the forbidden fortress. I don't want to play the remake and I couldn't if I wanted to because I don't have a wii u.

[@janTesika]

yup

[@orpheus2644]

Now I'm really interested in some more videos regarding mistranslations. Those could be pretty cool.

[@sennathesenna1384]

The first time KZbin notifications actually work

[@AHOPOAH]

I can't believe there was a theory about Ruto's letter, even without her stutter it has been always clear to me that she was denying that she asked for help, like a tsundere type of character denying they like their crush. By the way, the text on the letter itself doesn't really prove nothing, Ganondorf could have knowledge of how the zoras and their princess speak.

[@yourmum69_420]

I agree

[@chrispork1443]

The Japanese versions always have the true story. (Looking at you, Breath of the Wild. Especially the Adventure Log.)

[@boywonder1390]

"Unsatisfying"? Man I love your videos. You're one of my favorite channels! Never stop pumping them out. Hope your having a nice quarantine!

[@chipakpaka]

5:40 its literlley cut, sorry for bad english

[@Oni_Dino]

Thanks for the shout-out, Zeltik! ❤️

[@BaronSengir1008]

I saw your comment right before he mentioned you... Lol

[@everedyg9508]

On the contrary the video was indeed satisfying, for the truth's sake; truth is always more satisfying than believing lies

[@AzureRoxe]

Ironically Zeltik is one of the many Zelda-themed channels that love to spread lies and bad theories.

[@krm2095]

AzureRoxe ??? What? Why do you say that?

[@Exdorme]

@@AzureRoxe why are you here then?

[@everedyg9508]

@@AzureRoxe open-ended accusations, with no specific evidence to disprove any point shown, is not sufficient rebuttal, in any context, thus any such comment made is as useless as sounding brass upon the ears of the deaf!

[@dragonlord12100]

You say unsatisfying but I actually liked this video. It showed some translation errors and some neat little theories, whether they are fake or not I still enjoyed listening to them

[@Attackontrashcan]

Honestly I forgot about the pyramid I thought they were just there for the environment,make it feel more like a desert, y'know

[@jeremybarnes4545]

The video was very satisfying! You're awesome dude!

[@liquidturtle]

I'm still trying to wrap my tiny brain around the fact that Link actually got *busy* with someone in order to have kids. I mean, who's the lucky lady???

[@General12th]

Almost certainly Malon.

[@GabePuratekuta]

It was the Great Deku Sprout.

[@ArtblockInsomniac]

Hmmm, I don't think the swiftblade one is actually disproven. While it is likely that was a mis translation, it still doesn't prove or disprove his identity. It just discourages the theory. Never heard about the pyramid though! That is so cool!

[@trianglburger19]

I have 2 new Zelda breath of the wild mysteries. second one is more of a stretch. why does the rubber helm look like the top of zora’s domain [the mystery of the rubber helm, (ps put on the entire outfit is it just me or does it look like the zora armor but black?) and if you look at the dead end near kakarito village and the dead end down the hill should there be a road hear (look at it using the map)

[@cody2819]

The one who wrote Ruto's letter was Link himself. The game was going to have you travel backwards in time but it was later cut out. This is likely one of if not the only part of that left in.

[@spawny6191]

Ocarina of time is time and time again my favorite game. I’m hoping that Nintendo brings of the Nintendo 64 app soon (:

[@sammyshehole]

I’m really wishing that they port the remastered 3DS version to the Switch. I own the 3DS and the game but I don’t get max enjoyment out of the game on a small handheld screen. I need it on my tv.

[@bigfenix8272]

I wish the BotW dev team had honored the desert pyramid urban legend.....by sticking a Pyramid in the gerudo desert.

[@roborabbit-mw5dt]

It’s sad that MatPat’s video was instantly discredited in 3 seconds XD

[@Hanakin-Sidewalker]

Ikr. I remember watching it when it was first uploaded years ago thinking that my entire world was turned upside down

[@GrimmShadowsII]

I find his stuff entertaining but it's isn't always very accurate. He did a hollow knight theory a few monthes ago and half the comments were talking about stuff in game that instantly proved the theory wrong.

[@TakumiJoyconBoyz]

Nah, proving MatPat's an idiot is always a good thing.

[@angelhernandezvega6064]

Only his science of Zelda theories are good, but his lore theories aren't

[@darknifu]

My opinion is probably gonna be unpopular here, but I seemed to understand from MatPat's Link is Dead theory that OOT Link died as an Adult after having fathered a descendant and the whole of Majora Mask (even the start) is part of his purgatory. He appears as a child, cause that was the turning point in his life, when he became a child again (at the end of OOT) and Navi went away. This ain't to bash at anybody here, but that one theory of Matpat makes sense to me. Sure the guy is not always right, but Zeltik ain't either. In any case, I still love both of their videos and don't come to youtube to hate on a youtuber that doesn't deserve it.

[@ryantindall213]

You should do multiple parts of this and make it a series

[@skilarbabcock]

Honestly the Link is dead theory followers are so Toxic

[@fastlifebmx9292]

Yeah but i dont blame matt pat. Hes a genius

[@regulargoat7259]

Perc Flow i mean, not really? He ignores all evidence contrary to his theories and makes dumb ones for clickbait. His math is something literally anyone can do should they look up which formulas to use. Many of his theories are basically just ripped straight from various subreddits, just with more padding and stupid jokes that don’t land.

[@schwany6703]

@@fastlifebmx9292 not really dude

[@KingsBard]

@@fastlifebmx9292 I wouldn't say genius, but he definitely doesn't deserve the hate he gets.

[@skilarbabcock]

@@Chad_Eldridge I drew the line at basing Botw's timeline in a hat strip color

[@sledgen.]

This is such a satisfying theory. Describing potentially good theories and disproving them with solid evidence is such a good video idea.

[@cydude5856]

The thing about MatPat's theory is that it would work, but only if it was about Navi's death and not Link's.

[@Glornak]

Well I could very well just be a near death experience for link.

[@cydude5856]

@@Glornak yes, but the death of navi would make more sense with the theme of Link accepting death.

[@Glornak]

@@cydude5856 Could go both ways maybe. The lead up to Temina could go just like in MatPat's theory and lead into the game being a near death experience involving link and his regrets which naturally involve Navi. Considering the side content where he's essentially helping out all the people he couldn't from his experiences in the adult timeline since this is a link that saw his homeland destroyed and he couldn't do anything about it since he was trapped in the temple of time. Survivors guilt and all. Obviously though links well being could have nothing to do with anything and the whole game simply takes place entirely within his subconscious. If the OOT remake and it's boss challenge mode is any indication Link is capable of vivid lucid dreaming.

[@cydude5856]

@@Glornak that's true. You make a good point.

[@sledgen.]

9:30 when Zelda theorists get carried away and think of an outlandish theory, only for the real answer to be plain and simple. Thankyou for disproving that one!

[@AZURE-ONI]

Dude when are u going to talk about the water temple.

[@chopsandtoots]

I second this - I went into watching the Forest Temple and Fire Temple video thinking it was completed series and I was super disappointed

[@zaizen4359]

This video came in perfect timing! I'd always been curious about that "Pyramid in the Desert" rumor but recently when I went searching for footage or even a decent in-game screenshot I couldn't find anything useful. Thank you for not only getting quality footage of the so-called "pyramid" but also breaking down what it actually is for us. My mind can finally rest LOL OoT is such a goldmine of urban legends...reading all those stories as I was playing OoT for the first time filled me with such a sense of wonder! >w< My favorite "disproved theory" is probably the Unicorn Fountain in OoT. It looks SO cool and it would be great to see the concept/design used in another title someday......on top of that, the theory that it was hidden in the alcove beneath the ice in Zora's Domain created the PERFECT storm because we had no real idea why that alcove was there to begin with...everything about the shape and location was just there screaming "there's a secret here!" Honestly, you could probably do an entire video JUST on OoT's urban legends or other mysteries (and I would definitely watch it if you did!) since there's so many good ones! To this day we still have NO idea what those claw marks on the tree in Lake Hylia are from! BURNING QUESTIONS! X'D

[@CeceGames]

well to be fair, most of Game theory's theories are blatantly wrong

[@VegasValentineMusic]

Rewarding after Tears of the Kingdom, and noticing a pyramid illuminated by lightning that allegedly housed "another temple"... if you know. You know

[@AnAnonymousPenguin]

Ooh I never thought about that, I really hope that it's actually a reference

[@tsogobauggi8721]

6:08-7:14 Jump over the advertisement to watch the video.

[@wildfiresnap]

Tsögö Bauggi thank you!

[@stevemanart]

Master Swordsman is a weak translation of Kensei, which is preferably translated as Sword Saint and refers to not just a master swordsman but The Master Swordsman of Divine Providence an often unique title that could only be gained by defeating the current holder of it. Seiken is Holy Sword as shown in the Mana-series Japanese name Seiken Densetsu or "Holy Sword Legend"

[@trebmaster]

The "Link is dead in Majora's Mask" is by far the stupidest and most annoying myth I have ever heard in Zelda. Yes, I've watched the absolute crap video in support of the theory and the rebuttal. Rebuttal completely owns it for the garbage it is.

[@richarddouglas6511]

Squarespace: A+ Rank Zeltik Video: S+ Rank Zeltik Voice: ULTRA HYPER MEGA S+++ Rank & Knuckles.

[@hectordecerbi3507]

Ruto's message in a bottle was never a theory or mystery. She was frightened when she was swallowed, and wrote that letter... ...Then she found out she's into vore.

[@nameofthegame9664]

lol I can see it before me. Ganondorf sneaking in the night around lake Hylia throwing the bottle in the water. “This will surly fool the hero of time! I’m a evil mastermind!”

[@Ridley369]

"Japanese, as a language, has a lot more depth to it" - nothing could be farther from the truth about Japanese. It's a much more ambiguous language than English, and you have to rely on the context of situations heavily to even understand what's being talked about. The fact that, in the original translation, "Ruto" uses regal speech, does not disprove, to any degree, that it was written by Ganondorf.

[@skytstrax]

As much as I agree that Ganondorf did not write the letter in the bottle, I don't think the theory is debunked simply by saying it uses language typically used by zoras and Ruto. If Ganondorf indeed tried to forge a letter from Ruto, you'd expect he would do his best to imitate the language Ruto would use.

[@HyruleGamer]

Loved this video mate, interesting list to make and always good to see the other side of theories, the sides that don't work! All very interesting :)

[@theblazingblight]

The fact that GT's zelda video is so easily dis-proven is not surprising to me in the slightest.

[@servantrider7044]

"Thanks for watching this incredibly unsatisfying video" Actually, I'm really happy about the realization on Ruto's letter. I mean, it never sat well with me, but the idea that Ruto was just being embarrassed actually makes a lot of sense. A mystery from my childhood that I'd forgotten about solved, how nice.

[@leoryff979]

1:00 That theory was around way before MatPat made that video. He just put to words what thousands already believed.

[@rock10zxa]

so in Glorious NipponLand Otaku™ terms, ruto is a tsundere and goes full on deredere by the end of the vore dungeon. hella yeahhh

[@BeverlyHighland]

Me- ::buys KZbin premium to avoid ads.:: Zeltik- “Hold my Ocarina.”

[@RyanTheLion335]

I feel like Ruto, being a spoiled, lying young girl, did write the letter, and the entire point of the "don't tell my dad" part was because the Zora King likely told her not to do something, which she then went on ahead and did, and thus had to be rescued from her own spoiled stupidity

[@havens1515]

The bigger question about the letter (at least to me) is how did she get the letter out of Jabu Jabu if she couldn't get herself out? And how did it get all the way to Lake Hylia if Jabu Jabu is in the water behind Zora's Domain? It seems to be heavy enough to sink (you have to dive for it) and the area with Jabu Jabu is incredibly deep (as you can find out as adult link with the iron boots) so it's extremely unlikely to have just drifted to the lake, even if the 2 bodies of water are connected (which I don't think they are. I'm pretty sure that Jabu Jabu's area is isolated from the rest of Zora's domain, which flows to the lake.)