Zen View of Reincarnation- Hogen Bays Roshi

Reincarnated as what? Your twelve year old self?
Before we can ask to be alive again we have to know what it means to be alive in the first place.
Edited by: Camille Mullins-Lemieux

[@pinkfloydguy7781]

The camera de/re-focusing when he says “presenting itself and disappearing, presenting itself and disappearing” is funny 😋

[@ZenCommunityofOregon]

Sometimes technical snafus turn into little gems. Thank you for appreciating it.

[@robertjsmith]

i love how these videos are short but say a thousand words

[@ZenCommunityofOregon]

We're glad that you appreciate the length! We intentionally make short videos that get to the point. :)

[@gra6649]

I love the story about this monk who asked his master what happens after death. The master said, "I don't know". The monk said, but your a Zen master, you should know these things. The master said, "Yes I am, but not a dead one.

[@vagabundoenlinea]

Yes but zen buddhism believes in rebirth, as itself mean, consciusness moves to other bodies or states after death, if you research more you can find books that talk about this like The three pillars of zen, Yasutani roshi explains 6 realms of existence.

[@gra6649]

@@vagabundoenlinea I think that it was in TTPOZ, or it could have been ZenThe Merging of East, And West that roshi Kapleau explained it like this. Take 10 candles in a row. Light the first candle,then light the second candle with the first, then blow out the first candle. Now light the third candle with the second, and then blow out the second candle. Then light the forth candle with the third, then blow out the third candle. And so on until one gets to the last candle. Now the question is, is it the same flam,or a different flam? It is not the same, nor is it different. It was, and will always be fire. There's many words for this fire. The Tao, Buddha Nature, Cosmic Consciousness, whatever. The names aren't important. It has been said, to name it is to step away from it. The explanation of " I don't know" could fill volumes.

[@vagabundoenlinea]

@@gra6649 I dont know what exactly you are referring in that metafor, maybe its kapleau interpretation on rebirth, but japanese zen masters believe in realms of existence Kapleau himself talked about it in Trhee Pillars of Zen in different ways.

[@gra6649]

@@vagabundoenlinea I invite you to read Zen Master Harkin's Chant In Praise of Zazen, then The Maha-Prajna-Paramitta Hridaya Sutra, and finish with The Diamond Sutra. When you've read them a couple of times get back to me and tell me what Zen masters think. Until then, go in peace.

[@vagabundoenlinea]

@@gra6649 yes i have read it, but still most japanese zen masters believe in rebirth, no sweat on that, a lot of occidental masters say there is no rebirth, which is not truth, mahayana sutras talk about 6 realms of existence.

[@drake8846]

It is nice to hear his voice, he seems like a pretty good guy

[@ZenCommunityofOregon]

Agreed!

[@scottstewart6353]

thank you

[@forestdweller2661]

thanks.

[@jedcasillas5171]

can you tell me what does Hogen Bays Roshi means by saying "I take refuge in the ONE bright mind"? What is this one bright mind?

[@ZenCommunityofOregon]

Dear J, I mean the whole of life, vibrant, connected and self actualizing in this moment. Or, I take refuge in the great mystery of reality. - Hogen

[@priyadarshinic]

🙏🙏🙏

[@dr.kenmiller4227]

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[@jas2819]

Nobody knows for certain, but we can make conjectures. 🤗🤗🙏

[@nettinetti8465]

Reincarnation is a Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) Teaching. The Buddha did not teach about it. The Buddha taught about "rebirth", and this rebirth is the continuous transformation of mind in this samsaric life, not after samsaric life. Anatta was what he always emphasized. There is no self that transmigrates from one life to the next. As how the flame of a candle is blownout, so is this samsaric life. As how heat remains for a time after the flame is blownout, so does what goes on after this samsaric life are particles of our body's energy and the legacy, whether good or bad, that we leave behind. Any teaching that goes against the teaching of anatta, causality, impermanence, and nirvana is a teaching on false view. The only thing that matters is the NOW. If one believes in reincarnation, he should be practising Hinduism or Tibetan Lamaism, not Zen.

[@Vicky-fl7pv]

True, I am glad someone is aware of it.

[@Vicky-fl7pv]

By rebirth, Buddha meant the re-arising of the "I",Due to five mind processes. After the body dies, the "I" too dies. Complete annihilation.

[@johncasarino5627]

@@Vicky-fl7pv nope you guys are dead wrong, the buddha argued against annihilationist materialist schools of thought in his time. You two are just more western materialists with the idiotic need to try and force an eastern wisdom tradition to fit your western standards. This is a tedious tendency once called 'protestantisation' in reference to protestantism excising the bible from the heavily catholic context it had been in up until that point. The no self doctrine refers to no actual essentialism that can be tied to any one person or object, everything in every way is made up of literally everything around it, your entire body is made up of the food you have eaten, your personality the events that have happened to it growing up and the repetitive habbits and cravings that shapes it's actions, creatures that swim are shaped by the water they swim in, form has no origin point and thus is empty, and emptyness (everything feeding into everything else) is what gives life to this world of flux. Buddha's entire system works within an experiential ontology with experience being a primary ingredient in reality itself, he was not a materialist nor a dualist, and put much more emphasis on the constituent contents of experience rather than experience itself (which is what adviatins focus on). Materialism has no account of the experiential and places no privilege on experience or mind whatsoever, it is literally incompatible with buddhism and if you disagree I suggest you read the parts of the pali cannon where he talks about rebirth and past/future lives quite bluntly. The buddhas universe was a psycho physical flux where habit and tendency kept grasping for the same sensations which were familiar to them out of fear of those sensations ceasing, this leads to what we could argue is the evolutionary process we see before us of breeding and hunger between suffering formations (animals like us) in this never ending stream of form and experience. If you want a truly materialist wisdom tradition go become and epicurian.

[@pablocosentino2126]

​​​​@@Vicky-fl7pvif so, what is the point of everything? Karma has no meaning then. What stop someone from achieving power and money by force and violence if karma doesn't exist and we are all going to dissapear for ever?? And why do some people born with everything (beauty, money, inteligence, good personality) and others with nothing ? You are probably right. There is only oblivion and annihilation. But is a really depressing reality.

[@CrawlingAxle]

Dogen clearly says that karma can affect a person even after one thousand reincarnations and gives over stories about how it did.

[@PhysicsPolice]

He didn’t talk about reincarnation at all.

[@vagabundoenlinea]

reincarnation in zen buddhism is a belief, when buddhism came to western societies it was misinterpreted as a "way of life or philosophy"so there a lot of masters with a fake training on buddhist dharma, but zen japanese master like yasutani roshi talked about samsara, how easily can you fall from heavens to hell and why you should make non egoistic merits so you reborn in heavens or reach nirvana if you zazen and merit.

[@PhysicsPolice]

@@vagabundoenlinea yes, but the title says “Zen Views of Reincarnation” which is why I was expecting him to talk about reincarnation.

[@TheDub7]

@@PhysicsPolice He touches upon reincarnation though doesn't he ? When he speaks at the beginning of the clip about his different selves or different carnations of himself, the 17 year old and 55 year old versions ?

[@PhysicsPolice]

@@TheDub7 That’s called aging. Not reincarnation.

[@TheDub7]

@@PhysicsPolice yeah that's another word for it i suppose ! lol

[@tomlee8404]

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