Zenith 2013 - CT Mew2King vs Mango - Winners Semis - SSBM

[@LANBobYonson]

THAT PORT PRIORITY.

[@NeRdWxA]

You can tell when Mango is Sober with No Hangover HAHAHAHAHA

[@discojack4150]

Crazy set by M2K, didn't know who to cheer for though haha. M2K and Mango are my two favorite players playing at this moment in time.

[@StarTard8]

So this is the NEW Mango. Hmmmm it's nice to see Mango playing more cautiously and not so aggressively.

[@NeRdWxA]

I agree completely!

[@LuckFx]

I've always played melee with my friends, then I came across this smash documentary featuring these guys among others, and I thought I wanted to try playing that way... after a week of "learning" advanced skills, I still barely manage to beat lvl 9's and can not at all output any fraction of the precision and skill these guys show...how they manage to move like they do, i just can't say. This game is freakin' hard to master at any decent competitive level

[@IronicHavoc]

***** Some of the people in that documentary reached high level competitives in a year or 2

[@assassin1234567]

ull have to play against other good players, not just cpus. u will never get even close to their level playing against cpus since even if u can beat lvl 9 cpus, u are only learning to adapt to cpu style and will get dominated against real players

[@VincentPrice111]

Devin Laciturn If you're referencing M2K who is basically the poster boy for that, he literally studied thousands of hours of technical shit like frames and everything. He was and probably is still completely obsessed with perfection and sat and played for hours and hours straight practicing those things, he had a monster work ethic that wasn't even close to being matched at the time

[@xEric1993]

you can tell Mango is actually starting to be focused again. Both at Zenith and Apex 2013 he looked really focused you can see it on his face during games... I think he has a real shot at Evo.

[@iamawin8272]

U were right buddy

[@xEric1993]

@@iamawin8272 Ha, thanks for bringing me back to this video. I miss these days. I haven't played or followed the scene in ages now

[@trashman1791]

​@@xEric1993 11 years later and mango is still winning majors LMAO

[@xEric1993]

@@trashman1791 the goat. I played him in friendlies at a tournament once. That was the highlight of my smash career lol

[@Hunter2387]

Mango played harder and stronger, but M2K played smarter and that's his win every time

[@samskott2344]

Not sure if you'll see this, but they both played so damn well in this set. Mango definitely had control of the neutral for maybe 80% of the set. But Mew2king's survivability was on point, and he made that 20% count. Really good example of why Mew2king was so feared by the ledge.

[@toolong46]

The majority of commentators are african american for ssbm. I kinda like it

[@KashiwaDaisuke]

actually, they are black

[@Adro1337]

its sets like this that really show the pinnacle of skill that comes from players that have a decade of experience in their hands.

[@jahridin]

11:41 The three best Luigi in the background are certainly planning how to dominate the world

[@Lalo-ml9yq]

Because those TV's don't have Video-Audio delay. HDTV's usually do. My box TV is delay free and my HD one is a tick off.

[@shaolinotter]

what is the point of changing to zelda and back while recovering? does it restore your jump?

[@Carnax6969]

I can't seem to do a short hop, every time I flick the D-stick up it does a full jump, same if I quickly press and let go of X or Y. Any tips?

[@JosiahMoore]

Definitely use X/Y to short-hop. Try practicing with Ganon, Falco, or Jigglypuff. It is tough, you almost have to glide your thumb over the button - hardly pushing it at all. But you will get the hang of it! =D

[@Carnax6969]

Thanks for the advice, I shall try. I normally play fighting games where I don't have to worry about how hard I press a button, but instead the timing of the button, like UMVC3, SSF4, MK etc. But lately my friends have gotten me into Smash bros again, and I want to put as much effort I've put into other fighting games into this series, which includes learning high level techs.

[@Stereo4Radio]

Carnax6969 Short hopping is dependent on how long you hit the jump input. You can hit it as hard as you want (though it is generally easier if you don't slam your button). Just let go of the button quickly (I personally slide my thumb off the button as I short hop)

[@glenncapes8496]

As whoever stated it above, only a few characters can short hop noticeably, it's second nature once you get the hang of it.

[@MaestroCasts]

No, he's completely right. The invincibility starts on frame 1 but the counter doesn't actually activate until frame 5.

[@ghost245353]

at 9:03, D1 says "he dind't want to Amsah tech it." In the videoplaylist of Mango and Armada exhibition matches, Mike Hagger or Fuzzyness explain that Overtriforce did those techs first. Those techs are called "overtechs"

[@mitch2302]

dude, this quality is great! great job CT!

[@YaleScores]

Do these guys use C-Stick smash?

[@TheMarkLoo]

actually mango doesn't use the c-stick

[@vanishing_girl]

Hbox used to only use Z for just about everything, but now he uses the c-stick as well

[@Oakwin_mb]

***** Ken doesnt use the C-stick for aerials

[@Oakwin_mb]

***** It's more accurate, because with A there is a large chance it will affect your aerial movement.

[@DarkLeviathan8]

Derek Quin Dude I'll look like a noob but how do you do your up+air attack without doing ur up+smash ?? I feel like the only way to do it for me is to jump with my joystick, keep it up, then once Im down on the field again since I hold my joystick up I can do it, but otherwise it will just make me jump or do a up+smash :/

[@etohhhh]

I love how at 11:48 it's the commentators, not the players, who need to rehydrate.

[@Lalo-ml9yq]

Mew2King does play as Mewtwo. There is a video of him using Mewtwo and he's really good with him.

[@LeonisYT]

Mango learned to shorten right before apex 2014 my ass.

[@PureSkill900]

he didnt learn to shorten im pretty sure he learned to ledge cancel it

[@ilovegodmorethanever]

why doesnt m2k use his marth anymore?

[@arcane7ninja]

they're better than newer TV's because a lot of new TV's have very noticeable lag between inputs and what happens on the screen

[@jsmithers.]

Not currently

[@bossbick]

2013, Y U NO play brawl?

[@CaptainKnee]

Why M2K fb on the video description. I want to follow Mango, he is the best on habilities.

[@finnhaverkamp]

What's with switching controller ports?

[@chis5050]

google port priority... im not sure what tournament stance is on it, but i've never heard it as much of an issue. But then, I've never been to a big tourney

[@chis5050]

***** I don't get it lol are you saying it is or is not a big factor of the game? If it is then why would he be the only player to care about it?

[@NeRdWxA]

***** Port Priority actually effects a good few things... supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Port_priority

[@fliperotchy]

So why no character lock? Counterpicks are REALLY huge these days, especially against M2K, yet Melee enforces no character lock after a win?

[@Prodigial]

If you win, your opponent tells you what stage they are going to counterpick. You then get the option to change your character. Afterwards, your opponent gets to choose their character. Immediately after, the match begins.

[@Ecrip10]

how is an amsah tech done?

[@blackdude377]

you smash di quickly down-right/left into the stage and tech the ground after being smashed by a move that would normally send you off the stage and potentially kill you

[@DirEnRefused]

14:01 onwards. The next three hits are DI perfection. Perfect combo DI on the D-Air, perfect survival DI on the F Smash, and then Amsah tech'd the D Smash. 2013 metagame, bitches.

[@BobbyReborn]

M2K showing his Sheik Skillz here... gotta miss Pr0g on the mic

[@cowmooh]

I'm sorry did you win Evo?

[@PokGuy4]

She doesn't fall as fast as sheik so you'll gain more horizontal distance if you transform at a high altitude.

[@vgbootcamp]

Who's that sexy man in the back at 16:38?

[@ChivalRuse]

First game by Mango was art

[@xD1x]

Since everyone calls it the Amsah tech everyone just went along w/ the flow. No disrespect to Over. I've seen Captain Jack's Sheik way back do the upB stalls yet Sheik mains call it the Shino stall...so w/e.

[@TheAlphaGeeks]

That's called "edge hogging," friend. It's used in competitive play all the time; using the physics of the game to your advantage (one character on the ledge at any time) is just as legit as wave-dashing, spiking, or l-cancelling. No pro smash player would call it "cheap", "cowardly", or "fail" since all players have the ability to use it, and therefore it is an equal commodity. If you don't want to use it, that's fine--go ahead and play by honor, I commend you too. But the pros are out to win.

[@RepSSBM]

3:23 "it[counter] has 1 frame activation" ... Well not quite... It counters starting on frame 5

[@Adro1337]

he did use marth.

[@DRnick1223]

Oh ok, thanks bro. :D

[@RE0R]

This was really good.

[@DRnick1223]

I love how they are using box tvs and its fucking 2013 lol

[@HomageToBo]

That's just M2K. So good at Smash.

[@sowhazupguy]

Y U NO HAVE COMMON SENSE?

[@ruhtraeel]

9:25 TIL d-smash combos into shine

[@N1two]

1:20 match starts

[@whjk83921]

We have this strange power triangle where M2K beats Mang0, the best in the world, but loses to hbox, armada, and peepee. Mango can beat M2K, just not usually it seems like.

[@GuszagaxTheFirefox]

Damn!! M2K plays really good, but i really hate his edgework with Sheik D: Very nice match!!

[@TronPachioftheDynamo]

His Peach is the TRUTH. Does anyone else even use her?

[@1sillybanana]

the last 2 tournaments they played (zenith, vindication) mango got the better of m2k. also before apex 2013 m2k hadn't beaten mango for years.

[@KashiwaDaisuke]

mango's falco is so brutal

[@unitedwings8686]

m2k should try heisenberg look :P

[@Starfy119]

Marth can kill you at such low percent its crazy

[@SexualDefense]

It's only a matter of time...

[@Liveimprov]

haha at impulse 2013 it was an Umbreon

[@Slatanata22]

its funny... you'd think mew2king would play as mewtwo

[@Darktega]

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[@LuffyRedHawk]

armada >>> mango

[@MrJimmyJammers]

Gimp gimp gimp

[@gmwizards]

Mew2Kings haircut lol

[@MoJoh0426]

Dat ending edge guard.

[@NamLOLmaN]

LOL Vudujin at 11:41

[@1Nostrand1]

dat mango sentinel

[@CaptainKnee]

Oh good. Dam so many fans who follow him disliked my comment lol. Anyways I'll follow Mango, Hax and my Hero Dr PeePee ;)

[@StrandedSSB]

M2good

[@christiansena6607]

Melee, at least.

[@LRy314]

Because brawl isn't nearly as competitive as melee :D

[@StopTurn]

down throw