Zeno vs Chrollo is Obvious

Truly wild
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[@theguide3609]

one thing to keep in note is that Silva and Zeno were being carefull and considering most likely a "one hit K.O" kind of ability from Chrollo if they got to close (thing that actually also kinda happened with the poison knife) so the fact that Chrollo didn't get instantly rush and killed and that Zeno ultimatly decided to take Chrollo with him for the well being of Silva and the job, speaks more of the threat of Chrollo and the carefulness of the Zoldycks than a strick 1v1 match or actual strength of the characters

[@erickrueda16]

Yes, I agree with you. They think very specifically as assassins and are very cautious, which was something that held Killua back from fighting opponents that were about equal to him because of the needle.

[@zRendeRz]

@@theguide3609 This is one of the reasons why I like the characters in HxH over a series like DBZ. The characters such as Zeno fight for the win and benefit of the whole for their faction even if it means going martyr. In DBZ, its straight 1v1 or you bring shame on your family 😂😂

[@an18yearoldmongolianguy]

Silva and Zeno are assassins that take combat very coldly, seriously, and professionally - their job is to kill, not have fun in battle; they will take any measures to eliminate the target as quick and easy as possible Hisoka is a fighting maniac; he is the complete opposite of an assassin - he likes to fight his opponents at their strongest/most unrestricted; he will go out of his way to extend the fight so he can see all of his opponent's abilities, thus increasing his own chance of losing; win or lose, he lives for the thrill of a life-and-death fight - and sees battle as almost sort of his equivalent to sex (proven when he got a boner after seeing Gon's immense potential and combat genius); Hisoka takes pleasure in it and uses it as a way to connect to others, albeit in a physically violent way This is the difference between these two opponents of Chrollo

[@crocky6996]

@@theguide3609 that's why I usually don't like versus, as a battle's result is almost all about the situation and the characters involved.

[@jvr6809]

Yeah whatever Chrollo slams

[@Sinful06020]

The fact that illumi scales to Hisoka who fought that version of chrollo just speaks volumes.

[@soccerkills]

@@Sinful06020 huh what you mean

[@African-AmericanGoose]

illumi is like what 95% of hisoka post resurrection ?

[@ShootingsBootings]

@@African-AmericanGoose This is high balling Illumi, we haven’t seen barely any hunters who even come close to post mortem Hisoka in the entire series

[@gregorykenmoe3374]

@@ShootingsBootings I think hisoka refers to Illumi as 95 while he is 100. Post mortem hisoka might be a 105 or something

[@b_delta9725]

@@African-AmericanGoose there's no "hisoka post resurrection" hisoka must be roughly as strong as he was before dying. and we don't know how capable illumi is either while we know the limits hisoka can go to

[@daddybadguy9852]

"obvious"

[@NeXus49]

yeah, it's obviously extremely close XD

[@factsworld3466]

Keep grinding bro, I know you'll make it some day 💯

[@josealexandercruzpena7177]

@factsworld3466 Lol I've been watching videos of this creator for a while and didn't even notice he was 10k subscriber. That just implies how good is the quality of the vids.

[@kschlatt]

Bro what is that fire playing in the background that sh slaps

[@NigerianPrince555]

It’s a remix of sega hell by broly500 & stonecoldstoke

[@kylesprague6391]

At about 8:00 it's an edit of 'strangers' by kenya grace

[@LeelosAdventure]

All of them are beats prod by rolliesrevenge. He makes really good beats

[@RustedBuddy5192]

Just feels like The whole Batman beats every one with prep time gimmick. Chrollo could defeat Zeno if you give him time to come up with a build. If Chrollo was stopping by wafflehouse and spotted Zeno there out of the blue, Zeno takes it due to Chrollo needing to come up with a strategy on the spot.

[@j-rey-]

Unless Zeno had already been there for a while and was bloated from eating a shit ton of waffles. Or was in the bathroom pinching a loaf.

[@RustedBuddy5192]

@@j-rey- xD I'd argue post partum Nen could be a factor here after feeling like you're going to die from shitting that much. You're always a new person after a good shit.

[@ppv1780]

This already happened and even with Silva and chrollo not trying to kill him Zeno would have died in order to beat chrollo. 1 on 1 both serious Chrollo wins. Even without prep time.

[@darionnash6575]

It really only seems like that because it appears that this video uses some correct information and then follows it up with speculative reasoning to get to a conclusion. But that's just my opinion. 🙏🏾

[@kerroseir4764]

I do say Zeno wins simply due to the fact Chrollo’s win con is prep time and against the zoldycks who he actually relies on the troupe to deal with I doubt Chrollo wins against Zeno Even against Hisoka who has a weaker ability for combat had Chrollo playing extra safe and nearly losing until he got to late game

[@bromous1446]

Zeno vs Chrollo is kinda one sided tbh. If Chrollo didn’t say he couldn’t defend against Zeno’s Ko, he maybe could’ve won with nen combat, but since he did say that, he honestly has nothing he can do. Zeno has relativity in nen combat with the lean in power and speed to him. He also has the massive range advantage. And his hatsu > MOST of chrollo’s abilities, even in combination with one another like in the fight with hisoka. Zeno wins 60-70% of the time, high-extreme dif, just because Chrollo has the swap technique he used on nobunaga, that could genuinely be useful in this fight. That’s being charitable tho, because he didn’t use this technique against Silva’s attack that could’ve killed him, and Zeno’s dragon lance that was continuously putting him on the back foot and stopping his advancement. If he can’t use this technique effectively in combat, which is implied until otherwise seen, it’s probably closer to Zeno winning 75-90% of the time, or mid dif.

[@MrWilliamsAlex]

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[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Seeing this versus matchup really makes me wish We saw chrollo use more abilities. Perhaps have him come back at the end of chimera ant in an isolated fight vs a rogue squadron leader

[@bromous1446]

I just have to say hard disagree. Name an ability chrollo can use that he currently has that would result in gaining an advantage against Zeno. Because we KNOW Zeno absolutely can beat chrollo with at least 2 moves. Ko, chrollo himself said in ch.99 that he can’t defend against Zeno’s Ko attack. And dragon dive, because dragon lance can pierce chrollo’s side, and dragon dive is stronger, has more AOE, and is less predictable. We know he’s too smart to play into chrollo’s hand as well. Knowing to keep distance, knowing not to let chrollo use big attacks, knowing that chrollo WASNT trying to steal both of their abilities, at least not in combat. We know Zeno has the range advantage, and know that he has stat relativity as well. With at least 2 win cons that can provably work against chrollo, compared to 2 (only ones I can think of being black voice and shrink cloak) win cons that Zeno has shown the ability to avoid either one. Nothing anyone said during that fight implies chrollo is slightly stronger than Zeno, all Zeno said was that the fight wouldn’t be certain if he was going for the kill. Because it’s repeated multiple times that they were being cautious because they didn’t know what chrollo can do. Since we the audience do know what chrollo can do to this moment, I can’t think of a single ability he has that would lead to victory even with 5 years, 10 years, 20 years prep time. Sure, in that time he could pull a spirit bomb out his bum, but we don’t know that, so why would we include that in any kind of debate?

[@Lerossignol94]

I don’t disagree with you. However, the rebuttal to that is Chrollo was dodging all of their attacks perfectly and they’re trained assassins. Even if they held back a bit, everyone was still holding back. Chrollo fought with the goal of capturing their ability meaning he has trump cards that would be far more lethal. Just that simple fact changes the conversation significantly

[@Lerossignol94]

And to get a definite advantage and a slight opening Xeno had to sacrifice himself. These are hard arguments against what you’re saying

[@bromous1446]

@@Lerossignol94 Chrollo wasn’t dodging their attacks perfectly. Got a cut on the cheek against Zeno 1v1, and was hit by dragon lance again 1v1. Relativity in stats that leans towards Zeno since Chrollo being focused on him got cut, and he admitted he can’t defend against his Ko, absolute advantage in range since Chrollo hasn’t shown ranged options, and hatsu advantage since most of chrollo’s hatsu that he’s shown get countered. Again, you can argue all you want that he has a “trump card” in the book, but until we see it, it’s speculation. What isn’t is that he WASNT, I repeat WASNT trying to steal there abilities. He couldn’t, Zeno said this, Chrollo confirmed it. You could argue he wanted to steal one of their abilities, by restraining the other (Silva with the Ben’s knife, Zeno with the shrink cloak) but you can’t argue that Chrollo wasn’t trying to beat at least one of them if you’re arguing anything except that he was just buying time for Illumi to kill the dons. And he couldn’t. Zeno stopped his advance with dragon lance, Chrollo had to switch up strategies twice. And he was half a second away from sure death, Zeno said it was a close shave, Silva told Illumi that Chrollo was just barely still alive, Chrollo lost completely. If his goal was to stall, he failed. If his goal was to steal abilities, he would’ve had to beat one of them, and he failed. If he had a trump card, he should’ve used it then, when death was quite literally all up to luck on if Illumi finished his job or not. But he didn’t. Until you can give a provable win con of his, Zeno has an almost absolute advantage. And no, Zeno being willing to sacrifice himself isn’t going against any of my arguments. They didn’t know what Chrollo could do, stated multiple times. The entire time all they were doing was being cautious and smart. Because Chrollo COULD HAVE had a good hatsu ability to take one of them down, or both of them. Chrollo was dangerous because they don’t know what abilities he could have. No one else in the troupe was. And their job was to assassinate the troupe, not just Chrollo. If one of them needed to be sacrificed so the other can handle the troupe on their own, then it was just a smart move. Zeno didn’t tell Silva to kill him, he said that if Silva had a shot to kill Chrollo to take it, even if it killed Zeno. They were both ready to die, but neither were planning to.

[@nigelseawell4986]

@@bromous1446I see some of your points but dragging this out after Zeno stated that he would lose if Chrollo was being serious, combat wise they’re relative with Chrollo maybe being a bit better since he had to evade Zeno while also keeping his attention on Silva. The two of the also survived a kill shot from Silva (call it luck all you want he didn’t die, and if luck was the case I guess Zeno got lucky too), the only person to be fatally injured by dragon dive was komugi and she’s a blind girl with no combat ability, you had no evidence that backed your statement about Zeno being to smart for any trap/prep set by Chrollo, and finally I’d like to point out 2 things; the first being that Chrollo didn’t even steal the ability fun fun cloth to fight the Zoldycks nor is it meant for combat and he still fended them off, the second being I don’t even think Chrollo hired Illumi to buy time since it was never stated to be the case and furthermore how would he even have found out that they hired the Zoldycks…his plan was always the auction so taking out the Dons would only make sense.

[@bromous1446]

@@nigelseawell4986 Stopped reading the comment after I realized you need to reread ch.98-100 again. Zeno never said he would’ve lost if Chrollo got serious, he was asked who’d win and he said “me obviously” if Chrollo wasn’t going for the kill, and if he was he said “it would be a different story.” Never said he’d lose, just that he wouldn’t obviously win if Chrollo was going for the kill. And it’s consistently shown that Zeno and Silva were entirely in the dark on what Chrollo could do. So it being a “different story” could also just be false. Because Zeno doesn’t know if Chrollo has a technique that actually works against him, and neither do we. Because all of his techniques have been shown ineffective against Zeno’s fighting style and hatsu. Prove he wins after you read the fight again.

[@falexie7802]

I definitely think you made some good points here, but I still do think it could go either way as Zeno's comments are mostly based in him being CAREFUL and not knowing all of Chrollo's abilities. It's possible that he might lose high-dff, but it's also just as likely that he figures out Chrollo fast enough to do critical damage and kill him, considering how quickly he was able to deduce the fact that Chrollo couldn't fulfill all of his hatsu-stealing conditions while fighting them in a 2 on 1. Still very difficult for either character to win. Also, in the 1999 version, a lot of people don't know that Silva's phone rang before he launched his attack at Zeno and Chrollo, so he missed a bit to spare both of them. I also believe that this could be inferred in the 2011 version from the fact that Zeno trusts that Silva can kill both him and Chrollo with a finishing move, however, when the dust clears after the explosion, both are relatively unharmed. So, Silva most likely held back in the final blow if it did hit them or missed in the 2011 version as well. That, or he's a lot weaker than we thought, but logic and story-telling say otherwise. Great video!

[@CesarMalaguti]

Nice, it’s really a hard match for both of them. I’would say that chrollo have 55~60% win rate because of his vast inventary of skills. But only togashi can know that for sure. What about Silva vs Zeno? Can we have a video for that?

[@bromous1446]

@@CesarMalaguti Out of all of chrollo’s abilities, the only one that would help him in a fight THAT WEVE SEEN would be the swap hatsu he used on nobunaga. Every other one gets A.) hard countered B.)Avoided or C.)Aren’t combat applicable (essentially just fortune telling). Every other technique either has a requirement that makes it impossible because Zeno is never open long enough for it to land, can be avoided because we’ve seen Zeno avoid it and know he can avoid it based on the Hisoka fight, or just get destroyed by Zeno’s hatsu and range advantage. While we also know that chrollo said it himself that he doesn’t have the defense to block a Ko attack from Zeno. It’s more in favor of Zeno between 60-70% of the time.

[@Mugen_YTube]

@@CesarMalaguti Agreed. I think Zeno vs Silva would be interesting. So far Zeno has the better feats and portrayal IMO but I wouldn’t be surprised if Silva ended up being stronger right now considering Zeno is getting old

[@glauberbispo8922]

lol dude, if chrollo has a ability that could beat zeno, the conditions of this ability would be really hard to meet, and zeno aint hisoka, he wouldnt just allow chrollo to take his time. - Chrollo didnt have the defenses to block zeno attacks. - Is way less experienced in combat than zeno. - Zeno was able to read chrollo's plan in seconds. - And to be sure that he would win chrollo had to have 9 months of plan against hisoka pre postmortem, a guy who scales to illume, that is weaker than zeno and silva.

[@kaison12205]

I look at it like this illumi is a rival or equal to pre death hisoka who gave chrollo a max difficulty fight. I personally think illumi is weaker than his grandfather still so chrollo almost certainly dies to full power Zeno but maybe gets a lucky trade. We forgot that Zeno and Silva themselves were both fighting cautiously due to not knowing the conditions for the abilities to get stolen. Which chrollo himself couldn’t get off in that fight. If Zeno and Silva knew for a fact that they couldn’t have their abilities stolen due to the conditions of the fight. They would have murdered chrollo

[@wade4246]

LeeLos dropped its a good day

[@Kakord7]

Honestly, this fight is just really hard to gauge lol. We don't know Chrollo's entire ability set, and giving Chrollo prep time to let him get abilities to get a better advantage against Zeno is obviously not gonna happen in a vs match like this. I'd probably give it to Chrollo more often, but either of them can win the fight I'd say.

[@bromous1446]

@@Kakord7 Based on what we do know tho, Zeno has an almost absolute advantage in every aspect of the fight. There’s only one useful hatsu that Chrollo has shown, and it wasn’t used when he was about to die to Silva, so it’s unlikely that it’d be super accessible mid fight, and that is the swap hatsu he used on nobunaga. Everything else doesn’t work.

[@Monty2289]

Zeno is literally his cyptonite based on Chrollo's known move set.

[@Kakord7]

@@Monty2289 Chrollo has more abilities than we've seen, cmon we shouldn't assume he has ZERO powers that could work well against Zeno. Consider that fact along with the fact that Zeno said if Chrollo tried to kill him, it'd be a different story. This was before Chrollo got his bookmark aswell, which improved his battle prowess by a lot. I'm not saying Chrollo is effortlessly winning, or that he's even winning every time. I'm just saying I think it could be an extreme diff either way, but thay Chrollo would come out on top more often, even if not a lot more often. You feel me?

[@Monty2289]

@@Kakord7 Yes we can. Cause of the way his hatsu works I can't think of that many abilities that are worth having with enemy weak enough to be capture yet strong enough worth having ability to not be. And all of the abilities he has in his posiition that weren't willingly given to him him is proof of that. If Chrollo possessed any ability that was strongest than what he showcased he'd have used them. So you're using my same argument in reverse. Everone is saying that its a coin toss but picking their winner accordingly. It's a deathmatch. So there's only one coin toss. Which I'm giving Zeno. As far as Chrollo not going for the kill I'm blown away at the number of people that though rather Silva or Zeno could be captured alive just because Chrollo BELIEVED he could do it is proof enough he could. And that's crap. That was just not gonna happen.

[@Kakord7]

@@Monty2289 It's a hypothetical death match, imagine the death match 100 times, Chrollo won't win each time and Zeno won't win each time. When someone says it could go either way it means that either of the fighters have a chance of winning. Also, I get your point regarding Chrollo's ability picking, but I wanna make the point that even relatively weak characters can have powerful abilities. Simple does not specifically mean bad, Chrollo's using his own aura output for his stolen abilities anyway, if he steals an ability that works well from a weak person, he now has an ability that works well along with his own way higher aura output; making it a strong ability without the prior weakness of lacking output. It's similar to how Ging copied Leorio's ability and used it way better than Leorio could, cause Ging has a far higher aura output (as well as better skills). I don't think Chrollo had pretty much any chance at capturing Silva or Zeno, what I do think is that Zeno's own admission that a weaker than current Chrollo is a threat to him holds real weight. You can't just throw that statement to the side, current Chrollo is quite a bit stronger than that Chrollo since he has the bookmark sub-ability.

[@Simo-d3t]

Hisoka could have still beaten Chrollo. Hisoka was playing too much.

[@Tomiwa101]

You Hisoka meatriders...smh. At what point in the fight did Hisoka underestimate Chrollo? Maybe you know Hisoka personally.

[@Bft149]

⁠@@Tomiwa101literally the whole point is that Hisoka likes to undermines his opponent.

[@BeastBoy557]

@@Tomiwa101Chrollo deadass ran from Hisoka the entire fight lmao.

[@zRendeRz]

Would you consider the chrollo fight to be fair either way? Our boy literally played on all of chrollos terms because he waited so long and ended up walking into a low chance of victory 😔 If they run it back on a random battlefield where chrollo cant preplan his abilities, it would be more heated. Hoping that doesnt happen, because I'd rather have chrollo vs kurapika 😂

[@ppv1780]

@@BeastBoy557 hisoka is physically stronger, why would he get close genius ? Still, chrollo is stronger why else would Hisoka wanna fight him. He doesn’t care fighting equals like Illumi.

[@billybob4532]

You should do Hisoka vs Kurapika and Ging vs Adult Gon or Meruem

[@grandethar1121]

We've never seen All Ging Capabilities yet.

[@zRendeRz]

Hisoka vs Kurapika would be epic

[@ShootingsBootings]

Meruem wipes everyone so 1v1 hypos are boring with him, also Hisoka scales far above Kurapika sadly

[@StSualk]

I would like to see Pitou x Post-Mortem Hisoka an this Adult Gon x Meruem

[@Bread-lh4fl]

Gon and Meruem body Ging. Especially Meruem with his insane capabilities and BiQ. Ging just has no feats on their level to make the fight interesting like Hisoka vs Kurapika.

[@XennaShieldOP-pu6le]

The Obvious winner is the one who has both properties of rubber and gum

[@calvinbaez1850]

Love these videos keep them up bro!!!

[@MountainTig3r]

i feel like togashi accidentally scaled zeno and silva down too hard in this arc. killua and illumi would surpass their father and grandfather by the time they are young adults by this arcs logic which makes no sense. especially because we know that the zoldycks are basically top 3 strongest families that we know of(neteros, freecs, and zoldycks) and scale to the dark continent. it feels weird to think that hisoka scales to chrollo and illumi but illiumi scales past his father and grandfather who netero respects highly. especially because aura scaling tends to be in large part hereditary.

[@b_delta9725]

this is so bullshit lol there's no "scaling" in hxh, as bisky said you can't expect your opponent to always be in the same condition as you, and this counts more than just your current strength or stamina it accounts for everything, idk what condition zeno and silva were in, but they defeated chrollo with one dragon attack and a ren display, while fighting extremely carefully in order to not get their abilities stolen by the goddamn leader of the phantom troupe chrollo was thinking about capturing them, he had the initiative, he was there waiting for anybody no matter how strong to go and fight him. thinking that such battle has to somehow prove how strong neither of them is, goes against what hxh is, because what would this mean for chrollo as well? the guy was using 10% of his abilities compared to the shit he did in heaven's arena, yet hisoka almost one shotted him with one attack in that battle, does that mean hisoka is somewhat more capable than the zoldycks? no it just means hisoka handled that situation really good, maybe zeno would've gone serious nad beaten chrollo's ass before he got 10 clones out, who knows

[@jvr6809]

Hisoka died he doesnt scale to Chrollo

[@b_delta9725]

@@jvr6809 very funny that you're commenting this as if hisoka isn't going to kill chrollo in the manga

[@jvr6809]

@@b_delta9725 did he kill him?

[@StSualk]

Irrestricted Gon>Meruem>Post Mortem Pitou> Prime Netero> Pitou>Pouf>Youpi>Old Netero> prime Zeno>prime Chrollo>=old Zeno=Silva=Hisoka> Illumi. The fact that Hisoka is obsessed with Chrollo means that prime Chrollo is equal or slightly above him. Illumi is rated 95 and Hisoka 100 in his won mind. Prime Silva is kinda far from the legend of Prime Zeno, but prime Silva fought and survived against Young Chrollo and considering he is in his physical peak as the leader of the zoldyck family at the moment, he would be equal to prime Chrollo as also old Zeno is. The Statement that if Chrollo wanted to kill old Zeno from the very beginning in a 1x1 fight and the end of the fight could be different than Zeno killing him, is a pure 50/50 as Zeno left the statement open: he literally didnt speak that he would die, but the fight COULD end different, so they are too close or equal in Power (as Hisoka, who is stronger than Illumi who is above his father and grandfather). The problem to rank for me is Hisoka, Zeno and Silva. Based on Netero’s respect towards Zeno and not seeing Hisoka as a threat,I would say Illumi is 95, Hisoka and Silva 100, Zeno 101 to 104, Chrollo 100 to 105.

[@cubbwatch]

Lets go more HxH content🔥🔥🔥

[@bertudazoabhong]

Zeno>>>>>>>chrollogay

[@Random-dndsdfaf]

The Zeno and silvia say that because they are meticulous. If you dont know someone's ability you can get insta dead just like the remote control abilities.

[@bromous1446]

@@Random-dndsdfaf Exactly. It’s just a high IQ play. Unlike morel telling gon to give it all he’s got not knowing about jajan Ken.

[@Monty2289]

I said the same. There's nothing in Chrollo's immediate tool kit when they met nor is there any hope of Chrollo stealing anything with guaranteed success without drugging/torturing unwilling targets. Except...THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

[@itzagam364]

Today is my birthday and now i wake up to this masterpeice ❤

[@LeelosAdventure]

@@itzagam364 happy birthday my friend

[@itzagam364]

@@LeelosAdventure thx

[@W1ldYT]

New sub, that thumbnail is FIREEE brotha, HxH always peak, def watching the whole video homie ❤

[@unnoticed9988]

I wouldn’t say it’s obvious but the thing about the high tiers in HxH is that regardless of who’s fighting it’s gonna be a high diff fight to some degree. Especially if you fight someone as careful and tactful as a Zeno, Chrollo, Silva and Kurapika

[@timaeusdelpueblosecretodel6801]

Isn't maha the acrual stronget zoldyk or am I tripping balls?

[@chilledout2906]

Your videos are one of a kind and amazing to me because while we get a lot of Naruto powerscaling videos on KZbin, we don’t get many HxH scaling videos and I think there’s a large opportunity for this niche to expand. Ultimately, I think you have the best HxH scaling content on YT and you’re definitely going to be at the front of a massive blowup soon. Wishing you much success ❤️

[@anthonymartinez6875]

There are just 2 questions that I'm not sure whether or not they were ever answered concerning Chrollo's Skill Hunter hatsu. They will divide into sub-questions: 1) At what point does the time requirement start?? To clarify, at what point does the time to complete the 3 conditions start?? Upon using Gyo?? Upon hearing about how the targeted ability works?? Upon the hand touching the book?? Or is it something else?? 2) If the time to complete the other 3 requirements finishes and Chrollo has yet to steal the ability in question, can he try again at a different point in time?? If so, how many attempts is he given after the first failed attempt??

[@cillian6460]

Great video! Also been loving the thumbnails they look sick..

[@CageTheory]

Just saying bro, I really enjoy your videos. Your scaling is really good, but I generally like your presentation of information, explaining style, editing style & music choice. It’s a good vibe

[@cyy8839]

I think chrollo could potentially have lost without preparing as a prerequisite to fighting Hisoka it would almost be a tie but chrollo wins ultimately having the upper hand of being a specialist and adapting with his deep inventory of abilities !! ^_^

[@SansINess53]

The 1999 version of hunter x hunter is peak, especially during yorknew. Not mention the 1999 version actually gives in more detail to the story and only changes it's artstyle depending on the drawing style like in the hunter exam manga style compared to heaven's arena manga style. So I hope you overall watch 1999 hunter x hunter, it's free on youtube.

[@wassimsisko3908]

"Hisoka is so powerful chrollo didn't want to fight him until he was fully equipped" that is possibly the dum*est thing I've ever heard, chrollo does not enjoy fighting, Hisoka is the one that likes to fight. So just because chrollo wanted to make sure he would 100% win in his fight against hisoka does not mean he would have lost if he wasn't prepared. You lost me in the first 5 seconds of the video let's use our brains please

[@BimBachelord]

Tbh..., Zeno was fighting Chrollo assuming Chrollo was stronger than he actually was. He recognized he could steal moves and assumed if he went all out he'd be countered with a 1 shot trump card. Chrollo knew Zeno thought that and fed on that caution to elongate the fight. If it was life or death Zeno would win.

[@aarohalme1020]

Chrollo's preparation against Hisoka was a very strong determining factor, turning what would have been a really close fight into one where Chrollo never really took a direct hit.

[@tyfighter2252]

Dope vid bruh really enjoy the breakdowns

[@michigun8784]

Chrollo is not stronger than Zeno and Silva simply the two of them limit themselves because there is an advantage of chrollo about the cryptic of his ability: they don't know what kind of abilities he can use and how he can use on them and what's more they enter an environment in whose every kind of trap could already be prepared. Basically, the two assassins hold back a lot and in fact Zeno prefers to act at a distance after having attempted a dual physical approach with Silva. Furthermore, they avoid using powers knowing that he can steal them until they are sure that it is difficult for him to steal them. At that point Silva has the burden of having to avoid fighting up close due to the very powerful poison that is in his circulation although it does not give him an excessive handicap and he prefers to strike from a distance as Zeno had foreseen. At the end of the fight Zeno only says that the outcome would be uncertain if Chrollo prepared to kill him exactly as he did with Hisoka in the celestial arena... then Zeno says that he is no longer sure of kicking his ass... but not that he is stronger in general compared to him. So even Silva, who didn't really expose himself during the fight, doesn't really comment on the matter, simply evaluating how Chrollo's physical skills have improved since the last time. And in the end of the video there's a mistake in the translation of the page because that is not the official one ..when Zeno speak about the strenght of netero says that netero is the only one to survive to MAHA not live..just to say that Zeno is not at all stronger than Netero.. but MAHA was stronger than prime netero... the fact is that I don't think that Zeno is weaker than chrollo..but for sure chrollo is not an easy target...but in the end nen is a unpredictable field where every one could kill anyone in certain condition: who has a more stronger phisical condition, and a more versatile and stronger nen and of course a top use of it at their 100%potential of their inclination and more is the probability to win..

[@zRendeRz]

Great video, first I've seen from you. Looking forward to more

[@TheTideKing004]

Xeno being so caution in theri fight is showing his experience. Unless you know what your opponents hatsu is then there is automatically a much higher level of danger, that is the main reason of his caution that plus him figuring out that bandits secret is an ability stealing hatsu and from his perspective could hold a wide array of different hatsu. The fact that he was still confident he could kill chrollo in a one on one even knowing this mtells me that he is indeed stronger than chrollo even in his advanced age. Plu if he used dragon dive then it would have just been over for chrollo. Dragon dive is such a crazy hatsu

[@attackonyugioh92]

I agree that it is so obvious that it did not need a video. However as a fan of the show I welcome any video from a matchup of the show ❤🎉

[@zodrac516]

Is Hisoka stronger than Zeno and Silva?

[@yureiotakughost9464]

the original "Nah I'd win" moment lol

[@nts_4568]

Chrollo with ten shadows on top of what nen ability he has now is my dream matchup

[@jasminetberi6702]

This is the stupidest power scaler

[@Tazer_BLACC]

Been WAITING for dis one! 🔥

[@denessouza9814]

what is that music from 0:07?

[@Mudd-bo5kk]

Hisoka could get it

[@Etheric_Energy241]

What’s the song at 7:43

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

You didnt say sht

[@roho15]

Silva one taps

[@StSualk]

Chrollo is so insane that if he get prep time, he could kill almost everyone in 1v1. The only ones i think he could’t kill in 1v1 even with prep time would be Kurapika (obvious), Meruem, Post-mortem Pitou, irrestritct Gon, Netero (ignored hisoka’s bloodlust like he was a fly) and Ging (because there’s a high chance that he can use Greed Island cards outside the island and maybe an unknown number of cards that even wasn’t released in the game, so no survival chance to Chrollo).

[@bromous1446]

Give a single ability that Chrollo can use effectively against Zeno currently. Because I can tell you one thing, it isn’t his 3 only shown win cons. Fun fun cloak is his first win con with the most range and second easiest activation requirement. Just capture Zeno. Except dragon lance stopped Chrollo’s advance entirely, and he had to change strategy. Zeno knowing a threat is coming, can keep the distance just fine against him. Black Voice Antenna is his second win con with about as much range as the third, but the easiest activation requirement. But Zeno has shown the capability of instantly dissecting 2 of Chrollo’s strategies and countering them so that he has to change strategies each time. If fun fun cloak isn’t getting in range, then neither is Black Voice. Sun and Moon mark is the third win con with the least range, and highest activation requirement. He has to place the first mark on an object for 3 seconds for it to be effective against Hisoka, who we can infer Zeno is at the very LEAST equal to, and at most vastly superior to in nen defenses. Ch.99 Chrollo says he can’t withstand Zeno’s Ko, and Nen offense is canceled out by equal Nen defense, and vice verse, so Zeno’s Nen > Chrollo’s which again, at the very least is = hisoka’s, if not > Hisoka’s. So he’d need the full 3 second activation. And again, of fun fun cloak, the one with the most range on it can’t get in for one second, sun and moon mark with 3 second required activation isn’t landing on Zeno. Then we have the strategy used on Hisoka, which gets hard countered by dragon dive since he can destroy the puppet army made with gallery fake and order stamp, or dragon head to just fly over it. Leaving the only hatsu that we don’t have definitive proof that Zeno can directly avoid or counter being. Fortune telling: not combat applicable. Indoor Fish: nothing implies they’re particularly strong, so unless u think they do scale above Chrollo, then dragon lance or dragon dive hard counter. Convert hands: changing his face, or the face of a distraction likely doesn’t change anything because regardless of how he looks, dragon dive has so much AOE it’s very difficult to dodge. Much less have any decoy’s survive the onslaught. Swap (no named technique used on nobunaga): conditions are unknown, and if it were easily accessible, he should’ve used it against Silva and Zeno, where he had the hatsu at the time, in order to avoid certain death. He only lived by pure luck, because Illumi finished the job. Depending on the conditions and requirements, this is truly the only hatsu that could be a problem for Zeno. So how does he beat Zeno with prep time without just giving him an ability he hasn’t shown to have?

[@SHIBUH]

Early Gang.

[@piesmuggler7268]

fire

[@lukesmith8967]

Nice vid

[@shadowtheworld4201]

Real

[@kxarma6444]

W vid 😭

[@myrosamaz]

one four

[@kingfreeces]

earlyy

[@animemaster4412]

Zeno blinks away the verse🗿

[@vincentblack7032]

This whole video disproves the title

[@fayis4everlove]

Zeno wins not even close. Him being able to hit from afar is the worst match up for Chrollo.

[@bromous1446]

He has the relative advantage in nen combat since Chrollo said he can’t defend against his Ko in ch.99, he has the absolute advantage at range since Chrollo hasn’t shown any ranged options, and he’s shown the ability to counter most of Chrollo’s abilities with his hatsu. He really is a horrible matchup for Chrollo. Mid-extreme dif (depending on how valuable you think the swap technique, the one hatsu Zeno genuinely has no answer for, is useful in a fight. If not at all, it’s mid, if it is useful, anywhere from high to extreme.)

[@arthurleonardo4285]

USE ANOTHER MUSIC PLEASE

[@inversediablo6828]

Hisoka 🐐

[@Mugen_YTube]

I agree with your take. Chrollo has the better position. His performance is shockingly impressive considering he faced two Zoldycks of this caliber at the same time while suppressed. How the fight was set up and how Chrollo held his own by himself… Zeno being willing to end his life despite being in a massive advantageous situation just to lay out this one guy. Then the final comment of him outright saying it would be different if Chrollo went for the kill shot. On top of that Zeno should be declining, meanwhile Chrollo is slowly but surely creeping up to his prime with his newly acquired Double face. Chrollo has just more going for him and this being Zenos only feat to this day is just sealing the deal. I bet it would be a great fight regardless but Chrollo should win 9/10 times. I remember years ago watching this fight for the first time being slightly disappointing at the Zoldycks. While Chrollo is strong, you’d think the father of Killua would be a tier or two above him. I wish they had better portrayal going for them, something more like Ging. At least they got Maha who fills that spot.

[@bromous1446]

Chrollo landed a paper cut then nearly died. Zeno has the relative advantage in nen combat, the absolute advantage in range combat, and counters most of chrollo’s shown abilities. The only way to give chrollo a win con in this fight that would work is to give him abilities we haven’t seen. Because Zeno is a bad matchup for him.

[@ItsMidasProductions]

I gotta say, I don’t know why people call this series title clickbait 💀 just because an answer is obvious, doesn’t mean there’s not a detailed explanation behind the answer. Also, equality, and inconclusive can be obvious outcomes

[@vincentblack7032]

Naw bro it’s not obvious people are still debating points in the chat. An inconclusive point is not something can say is obvious. They just know the title will get more clicks than “An. Analysis on Chrollo vs Zeno” or something like that cause this title has people who don’t think the answer is obvious click it out of disbelief or anger.

[@Nova_YT1_]

Honestly can’t possibly see Zeno winning. Reading throughout their fight, everything points towards Chrollo winning that. Maybe Prime Zeno would be a different story

[@bromous1446]

@@Nova_YT1_ Everything points to the opposite. Zeno has a counter for everything used in the Hisoka fight between dragon dive and his BIQ. Chrollo’s only 2 known win cons being shrink cloak and black voice antenna wouldn’t work because he’s shown capable of keeping distance from chrollo when he wants, and deducing every strategy he has instantly. The only other technique that would be useful in a fight with Zeno is the swap technique he used on nobunaga, that we don’t know the conditions of. If it was so useful, why wouldn’t he use it against Zeno, Silva, or Hisoka, where in all cases he’d only gain by using it if it was easy to use. Meanwhile we already know Zeno absolutely can beat him. Chrollo said in ch.99 that he doesn’t have the defense to block his Ko strike. We also see dragon lance piercing chrollo’s skin, so dragon dive, which is stronger, would be more effective. They show relativity in stats, and Zeno has better nen, better experience, better BIQ, and better range, on top of just being a hard fight for chrollo. Give me a technique he has that gives him an advantage, not just assuming he has one that would do good against Zeno, because he would’ve used it in yorknew since he was a split second away from dying there.

[@Mugen_YTube]

@@Nova_YT1_ I agree. He was already ahead before but now with recent improvements enhancing his combat ability with double face he should have a certain victory. It’s overlooked that Chrollo could hang with both of them at the same time. Not only the caliber of them but essentially also having perfect teamwork. Chrollo was dodging Dragon lance with the book in his hand and Silva distracting him. Silva was shocked that Chrollo could dodge the fury of attacks while keeping an eye on Silva the whole time. Only after Silva distracted him from behind could Zeno use this small time window to land the dragon lance on him. The manga highlights this very well. This would never land in a 1 vs 1. Rereading the two chapters makes me think it might be a lot more one-sided in Chrollos favors than I originally thought. We should talk about this a bit more with Leon in VC tomorrow

[@Nova_YT1_]

@@Mugen_YTube For sure bro 👊 just let me know

[@bromous1446]

@@Mugen_YTube Chrollo landed a paper cut and nearly died. He wasn’t keeping up with either of them, much less both of them. When Zeno and Silva were tag teaming, Chrollo got tossed around with ease. When Zeno was fighting on his own, the majority of the fight, he shows that he is more likely to win than Chrollo. 1.)Zeno has the relative advantage in nen CQC and stats. When Silva stopped jumping with Zeno, Zeno threw 3 consecutive attacks that cut chrollo’s cheek. Showing a relative advantage in speed. Chrollo also said outright that he can’t defend against Zeno’s Ko in ch.99, showing Zeno’s complete advantage in raw AP (since nen defense, scales to nen offense, same applies for durability as well.). 2.)Zeno has the absolute range advantage. Chrollo’s only ranged options THAT WEVE SEEN are the gallery double, order stamp, sun and moon marked army. Which takes a significant amount of prep and a group of people near by. Assuming he has all of this, dragon dive hard counters because it’s AOE is enough to obliterate an entire capitol, and Chrollo with hundreds of people couldn’t even fill up the entire stadium during the hisoka fight. He also has the indoor fish, but nothing implies they’re particularly strong, fast, or effective against high tiers and top tiers because Chrollo would’ve used them if they were. And Zeno’s dragon lance that can pierce Chrollo is more than likely destroying these indoor fish. 3.)Zeno has the matchup advantage. His hatsu, as previously mentioned, hard counters the strategy used on hisoka. His BIQ gives him the ability to avoid the only 3 known win cons Chrollo has being the sun and moon mark, the shrink cloak, and black voice. If Chrollo was trying to close the distance between he and Zeno (stated in the fight he was) to use the shrink cloak, and couldn’t. Then the same applies to the other two abilities, because they have an even shorter range than the shrink cloak. On top of the sun and moon mark requiring a 3 second activation time. There’s only one hatsu that Zeno has no answer for being the swap ability that Chrollo used on nobunaga. But we don’t know the conditions for it, the usefulness of it, or how the ability even works. If it was really a good and applicable technique in combat, he should’ve used it with Silva to avoid certain death (he lucked out because Illumi killed the dons). Zeno wins mid-extreme dif depending on how much value you put on the swap technique until Chrollo shows an ability that actually works.

[@tjadams98]

@@Mugen_YTube when was chrollo keeping up with them? He was getting ragdolled the whole fight. He only dodge dragon lance due to owls ability, having the book in his hand while doing so isn’t that impressive. And double face is a cool ability, but that doesn’t help that zenos basic ko is already too much for chrollo. Pair this with the fact that Zeno has higher biq, was fighting cautiously, and didn’t use all of his hatsu. if they both know each others abilities Zeno wins most times.

[@kakuzugoated873]

Chrollo slams, we blatantly see Zeno sacrifice himself in an attempt to kill Chrollo lol.

[@nicormoreno]

he was not even scared for his life, he knew he was surviving whatever Silva throw at him, Zeno scales very high, a good fight but not a obvious one at all.

[@kakuzugoated873]

@@nicormoreno He literally says he's going to have to let himself get killed to kill Chrollo and then let's Silva hit him with his attacks head on. That's blatantly him saying he needs to do that to kill Chrollo lol.

[@bromous1446]

Bro had 0 advantage for the entire fight. Everything he tried, Zeno stopped. He even said he can’t block Zeno’s ko. Zeno hard counters and destroys.

[@kakuzugoated873]

@@bromous1446 No it was Zeno's Hatsu, he literally shoots out the dragon from the hand energy lol. Also, Zeno blatantly was trying to sacrifice himself to kill Chrollo, if he could do it one vs one then he should be able to easily kill him 2v1 let alone not needing to sacrifice himself. Also when people say "I can't guard that" in hunter x Hunter, they mean with zero damage, as a fundamental of nen is if you block with equal energy you won't take any damage because your nen is taking the blow not you. Use common sense. Which is supported by him LITERALLY defending against it 😭

[@nicormoreno]

@@kakuzugoated873 if you think for a second that Zeno telling Silva that if he had to kill him to do it to kill Chrollo means anything beside Zeno being really commited to perform the jobs he was hired to do you are delusional, he was never even in danger, he was not even close to be killed by Silva and he knew that, the easiest way to win that fight was getting chrollo injured, and if Zeno was injured as well his team would still win since it was a 2v1. Chrollo ask Zeno who would win in a 1v1, Zeno answer that he would unless chrollo would try to really kill him in wich case it was a coin toss, wich is the most likely scenario there, Zeno and Chrollo are pretty close and neither would low diff the other