The reason Secretariat isn't in here is because the outcome wouldn't have been fair to the other horses, Secretariat would have won by 30+ lengths.
@austenmckenna55554 жыл бұрын
My thoughts also. It would have been amusing though to see both Zenyatta and Secretariat battle for last position then both heading towards the lead.
@boswindle90504 жыл бұрын
Like he did against Onion or Angie Lite?
@theeverseeingeye72904 жыл бұрын
Secretariat had one miracle day where he beat a small field with virtually nothing in it and he’s heralded as the greatest ever! They had to fudge the numbers to give him the Preakness record over Tanks Prospect! Truth be told he lost in the Wood Memorial finishing 3rd! and lost to a no name named Onion in the Travers trained by the Giant Killer Jetkens! Maybe the day of the Belmont he felt his oats and was nearly unbeatable but let’s face it that margin would only be 3 lengths at best going up against the likes of a Citation or Point Given. And we’ll never know the greatness of Man O’War because his jockey was told to ease him in 75 percent of his races. But take away that Belmont and he was a very beatable horse. As referenced here. You put him in a field with Zenyatta, Man O’ War, Citation, Seattle Slew, Kelso, Point Given, Easy Goer, War Admiral, and run a Belmont 10 times and you might have a different winner each time depending upon how the race set up! Slew could easily run stride for stride with him for 6 furlongs to a mile! Take a look at Slews Jockey Club in 1978. And with a pace like that it would set up for a Zenyatta and Man ‘O War and Kelso! Secretariat no doubt was a great horse. But let’s not fall in love with that Belmont and look at the whole body of work and we see that he’s definitely top 5 but could be beaten by almost any of those I mentioned in a Belmont depending upon how the race and post positions set up.
@boswindle90504 жыл бұрын
@@theeverseeingeye7290 you speak nothing but facts
@spaz51383 жыл бұрын
No Rachel would or zenyatta because she bet colts they are only fillys secretariat only bet colts so they are better secretariat would of went against fillys if he was not afraid to zenyatta and Rachel alexandra set new records every race they have been undefeated in there races secretariat got defeated so ya he would of set a new record because just because he won by 31 lengths does not mean that fillys are not faster than him.
@lekkki17 жыл бұрын
Ruffian still has speed records that have NEVER been beat or matched. She was an amazingly fast girl. She looked a lot like Ms. Zenyatta. Was just about as big too.
@truthxposed89752 жыл бұрын
Zenyatta was much bigger than Ruffian.
@AkoyErmin13 жыл бұрын
I think and feel Ruffian should have won. I wonder what factors are used in their algorithms to determine how each virtual horse runs. Definitely should have been Ruffian.
@BigCJFan10 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you left Secretariat out of this simulation.
@MsSophia9710 жыл бұрын
It because they know he would beat her and that would start a big controversy XD
@BigCJFan10 жыл бұрын
I'm appalled that they would place cigar in this whack-a-doo sim. How many people actually think of him when they think of horse racing?
@MsSophia9710 жыл бұрын
XD I know right!!
@PepsiMama27 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding.. Cigar is one of the all time greats...
@shareefkhan37496 жыл бұрын
Love the way cigar moved aside last second to let zenyatta through. Rubbish sim.
@horsepony311 жыл бұрын
You forgot Secretariat, Man O' War, Forego, Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid, Dr. Fager, Kelso, and Plenty of other great horses.
@angelsarous8 жыл бұрын
Where is secretariat???
@Fiasco38 жыл бұрын
Yes the great one, the destroyer of worlds. Secretariat would smoke them all.
@cynthiamaegonzales70024 жыл бұрын
If Secretariat is included in this group of horses the outcome will be Secretariat will be in front and the result will be he is fulling away by 31 lengths or more ...
@HeraMarasLindeman12 жыл бұрын
Ruffian would never burn like that she ran a 1.25 mile course and still had energy to run in real life.
@adelaidajavierrodriguez52313 жыл бұрын
Zenyatta will always be the queen ❤️❤️❤️
@tyarracrace40459 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but Zenyatta would never have won in a real live race, Ruffian would have been finished before the other horses would have been ready to come down the finial streach.
@romanaprovin71328 жыл бұрын
Your right
@Vanessa-og6xu5 жыл бұрын
Not sure. In a real race Rachel Alexandra wouldn't finished last. And she beats any of Ruffians records.
@jnormanton5 жыл бұрын
You have got that wrong go and look at Zenyatta's times for the various distances and she has ruffian beat in every distance that the two horses ran in.
@OfficialMuffiin5 жыл бұрын
@@jnormanton ruffian fanboys don't listen to times and logic. They just hype her up because she died.
@boswindle90504 жыл бұрын
Excuse me? Ruffian never beat a male horse like Zenyatta.
@ZenyattaLuvr13 жыл бұрын
@RuffianQueenOfRacing interesting thought... i dont quite inderstand it though... explane?
@johnofohu12312 жыл бұрын
Ruffian is clearly the best -______-
@katieoliver48499 жыл бұрын
Out of those horses Ruffian would have won. Yes Zenyatta is extremely fast on the last stretch but Ruffian would have pulled away so much that she would not have been able to catch up. I love both of them very much but in my opinion Ruffian was better. Ruffian got in the front and stayed in the front.
@elkedecosteredc8 жыл бұрын
And she'd rather break herself, hurt herselfor even kill herself trying to stay in front than to give up. She proved that more then once...
@nsecchi78115 жыл бұрын
Zenyatta had great closing speed. She broke track speed records even though she diddled behind for three quarters of the race. But what happens if she starts early with her speed? Is there any horse that could keep up with her? Doubtful.
@nin12dog12 жыл бұрын
I love Secretariat.
@RidingWithRuffian11 жыл бұрын
Rachel last? I doubt it. And Ruffian just fade like that? No, never. I love Zenyatta along with the rest of these horses but I don't see her toying with them like did her normal competitors. If anything Ruffian would have still been up there.
@skylandmodels35356 жыл бұрын
RidingWithRuffian exactly!!!
@boswindle90503 жыл бұрын
So Ruffian would have beaten multiple male horses in one race but she never beat any her entire career?
@boiboi882210 жыл бұрын
wait were is the great secretariat is has to be in there he is the greatess race horse of all time
@theknifestsharp688410 жыл бұрын
It would be kind of an insult to Big Red and Sham, for that matter. Probably why you don't see Sham in this "race" either. lol
@boswindle90504 жыл бұрын
Seattle Slew is the best race horse of all time. Don't insult the great Seattle Slew like that
@hayleywhitfield68548 жыл бұрын
where's secertrait?
@christhompson94864 жыл бұрын
It would have been a one horse race, again. Remember Belmont.
@mejiasparker14 жыл бұрын
I would have liked it if they were able to simulate the clopping of the horse hooves on the racetrack. I'm also curious as to how they programmed the simulation. What factors about the horses did they take into account?
@fullofsmiles1211 жыл бұрын
I was expecting Secreteriat :(
@SAMMYTASTISCH9 жыл бұрын
If this had been real, ruffian hat been in the finish while the others just had reached the Finish line... she is untouchable and if THAT is how it could realyy happen, it just doesn't go with me...
@skylandmodels35356 жыл бұрын
CourageousSam agreed this was terrible. Ruffian should won or Seabiscuit lol plus not to add she would of at least kept her lead in 2. Ruffian never gives up
@extremelycareless25416 жыл бұрын
the biscuit never gave up either. running on 1938 injuries that could be healed better today. I guess Secretariat was a late scratch. lol.
@purpleguy89716 жыл бұрын
CourageousSam yeah nah , secretariat would leave ruffian in the dust
@boswindle90504 жыл бұрын
Wrong..Look at Zenyatta times for various distances and look at Ruffian time. Damn you fucks like picking Ruffian because she died but she wouldn't have beat Zenyatta.
@monomoygirl95623 жыл бұрын
Man O War could beat them all with ease, and there’s no way Citation looses.
@bestdaniel25614 жыл бұрын
this is awesome, never knew they had a horse racing simulation. I like how the show the end of the race with the top down view
@priscs13 жыл бұрын
@DBJKAJ I honestly can't speak for the crop of fillies she raced against but you can't argue track times which she equaled or set records everytime out and all but 1 still stand today, and she did that while being held back most of the time. She would have ran away from Foolish Pleasure down the stretch.
@GermanOperaSinger10 жыл бұрын
Interesting simulation. Ruffian always came out of the gate blazing and led for the entire duration for all of her races, but how would she respond to the onslaught of Zen in the final stretch? Ruffian proved in the CCA Oaks she had the stamina to last 1.5mi with energy to spare; I really can't see her letting everyone pass by her so easily at the end. I wonder what stats this program uses to create the simulation, only times, or does it take handicaps, track surfaces, etc. into consideration? Many rules have changed over the time frame of all these horses' respective primes.
@qhsperson10 жыл бұрын
I suspect the main consideration was "how popular is Zenyatta?," because I seriously doubt this would have been the finish in a real-life race. Consider some of the horses left out of "the best"--Secretariat, Man o' War, Dr. Fager. I love Zenyatta, I really do, and I watch her win videos regularly, but I just can't go along with this simulation.
@therobeelephant9 жыл бұрын
qhsperson I think the point was just to get a bunch of great horses from the past and see how they fare against each other. If they did want the top horses of all time they missed, because I don't know of anyone who doesn't have Secretariat and Man o War in their top 5. As for the actual simulation, I could see it holding up up on turf. If it were on dirt I see it playing out very much like her 2010 Breeder's Cup Classic. Yeah she would make a push, but the reason she was SO far back in that race is because the pace was set higher than most she had been in. Ruffian would likely put her in a similar position, I don't know if Z could catch up or not. On turf I'd say yes, on dirt, she probably comes up just short.
@113nightmares8 жыл бұрын
This simulation is ridiculous. Yes, Barbaro, Big Brown, Rachel, Smarty, and Cigar are good horses, great horses even. But they are a far cry from immortals like Seabiscuit, Ruffian, Citation, Zenyatta, and Affirmed. In a race like this, I would expect one of the latter to win... personally I believe Seabiscuit is the best horse in the field by far.
@tomfassel65632 жыл бұрын
The immortals finished 1-3 and 5-6 in this race so how is it ridiculous lmao
@theOlLineRebel13 жыл бұрын
LOL wow Pimlico wishes it looked like that!
@medlinemd14 жыл бұрын
Wow that is one awesome simulation. It seems so surreal . The best visual simulation ever!!!
@stivosimz6 жыл бұрын
Where was Seattle Slew????
@perunsvetovid71796 жыл бұрын
RUFFIAN IS THE BEST !!!!!!!!
@singbecause14 жыл бұрын
Just curious about what criteria were used to come up with this. How were these runners compared?
@juliatank14269 жыл бұрын
Where's Secretariat?!?!?!?! XD
@armysunicorn96308 жыл бұрын
He obviously would have won considering his triple crown records still stand.
@juliatank14268 жыл бұрын
Bruhh, i know. Just thought he should have been included.
@DarkOps24427 жыл бұрын
Secretariat had 5 losses in 21 starts. The REAL disgrace is where is Man O' War? Like I told the other commenter yes if you insert ANY horse in the Derby or the triple crown in 73' with their times they lose every time BUT that is not going to happen as they raced different races in different times AND Man O' War broke all records WHILE carrying an extra 140 lbs in weights and being restrained. So if you inserted Secretariat into Zenyatta's run I think she runs him down, BUT I think Man O' War is too much for all of them...
@skylandmodels35356 жыл бұрын
Leonardo Donato look at secretariats stride and man O’ wars. I’ve seen both horses races in videos. Both are great horses but nobody can come close to big red
@bomb4965 жыл бұрын
Let's face it. Secretariat was in a class by himself.
@mshobohorse12 жыл бұрын
I find it sad that they placed Ruffian 6th.
@johnwalsh32154 жыл бұрын
I’m with you no way Ruffian comes in 6th
@jayf46125 жыл бұрын
Secretariat, Man O War, and add in American Pharoah, the 1st Grand Slam winner. That'd probably round out a pretty nice field.
@RunLikeAFilly12 жыл бұрын
This game is unrealistic, 1 Ruffian was almost never whipped and two she had a lot of stamina and speed.
@jm192211 жыл бұрын
add secretariat and slew and you got probably the most famous horses of all time in this race...who would have been the longshot? rachel alexandra would be my guess or big brown....oh and they forgot curlin as well
@uncappedturtle14 жыл бұрын
I saw a comment on the NTRA site asking about the announcer, it was Larry Collmus making the call.
@Calieroy14 жыл бұрын
I actually think this is very close to what would ACTUALLY happen! Dont get me wrong, Ruffian was a great filly, but we never saw her go up against any males and she hardly ever went up against very skilled mares. Zenyatta however, proved herself on two surfaces in all 20 races against good mares and very strong males. Give Z some credit.
@clarayau312 жыл бұрын
why isnt Sec in this race?
@renecordova63496 жыл бұрын
How many track records did Zenyatta set at 3 years of age???
@jackwoods96042 жыл бұрын
Zero...She also has INFERIOR Speed Figures compared to Most Horses in this Race...Real Race She would have had a Legit chance to Finish in the Back of the Field...This Simulation Program they used is Dumber than a Box of rocks
@gracelyons72239 жыл бұрын
Ok, this is making me so mad, WHERE IS SECREARIAT, He caould have beaten ALL of those horses!!!!
@johnwalsh32154 жыл бұрын
That’s why they didn’t have Secretariat in it
@spaz51383 жыл бұрын
No its because zenyatta and Rachel alexandra would of beat him because he only bet colts it does not mean that fillys are faster than him so ya.
@horsepony311 жыл бұрын
wheres Secretariat? I think he wasnt added becayse he would have dominated the whole field :D
@ryleigh9955 жыл бұрын
No he wouldn’t
@mymomdoesntcareformymental65614 жыл бұрын
@@ryleigh995 He would have you forgotten who he is?
@joshwhite65113 жыл бұрын
Ryleigh Hayes you’re having a laugh? He would of dominated that race
@spaz51383 жыл бұрын
No actually zenyatta and Rachel alexandra were undefeated in zenyattas 19 career starts secretariat has been defeated so ya.
@kingjames13083 жыл бұрын
@@spaz5138 a horse being defeated means nothing. Way to many variables to use that as a stat. Not mention Sec was dealing with injury during the wood. Secs times stand for themselves and 40 years later have never been beaten. He was perfection
@NovaEventing13 жыл бұрын
Ruffian would have won. That is all that I have to say. In case you didn't know, in every single race that she ran her jockey was choking her to the wire b/c he was afraid that she would hurt herself from going so fast. Zenyatta may be a great racehorse but Ruffian wouldn't have let anyone past her, even if it killed her. I don't think that all of those horses would have slowed down and just fallen back like that.
@stupiddog7314 Жыл бұрын
Ruffian was a genuine freak, in the CCAO she went 1½ miles in her front running style was 3 to 6 lengths ahead of the competition and still pulled away to win like a secretariat finish. All the while never being tested at such distance. #4 horse right behind kelso no questions
@mattymatt7914 жыл бұрын
Interesting; but I'd like to know the science they used behind this as well as the process they used for selecting the horses and what physics they used in the simulation for chosing who won.
@sunnyponies766111 жыл бұрын
Where's secretariat?
@GazdaPari14 жыл бұрын
that's a preatty cool simulation, it's a challenge seeing who would really win these races given the time periods. I would imagine that the new aged horses would do better since better training is provided as the modern age progresses.
@gothamvelveth30673 жыл бұрын
Why is it difficult for another thoroughbred horse like Secretariat to appear on stage? It is because nature, on few occasions, throws a flower so that we appreciate the greatness of it ... and Secretariat, is that, a wonderful and adorable flower that came to fill our hearts with happiness ..
@johnofohu12313 жыл бұрын
@Beatrice00745 Yeah but a fact that Ruffian is the Queen and Zenyatta is nothing compare to her
@porkchop6069 жыл бұрын
Where's Secretariat? He was the fastest race horse ever and he would beat all of them.
@Aimee02069 жыл бұрын
Yeh where is he?
@elkedecosteredc8 жыл бұрын
+HorseLuver0206 Actually Ruffian beated some of his track records and Rachel Alexandra beated Ruffians record in the mother goose just saying. ;-)
@Aimee02068 жыл бұрын
Amberlovies oh k
@PepsiMama27 жыл бұрын
It would pointless to put Secretariat in the race because he would always beat them all...
@DarkOps24427 жыл бұрын
You realize Secretariat had 5 losses to sub par competition in 21 starts right? No? Once again someone not doing their research and just using opinion instead of data. Yes Secretariat was incredible and if you use the 1973 race and insert Zenyatta Secretariat would win (with any horse) BUT that is not going to happen as the horses lived 40 years apart. So if it wasn't that specific race in the Derby I think Zenyatta runs him down. Who you should be upset at not being in the field is Man O'war...
@an08p10 жыл бұрын
I used this simulation before. It is simply that each horse has a data file which has basic info like stamina, speed and other racing traits. The simulation uses these data to make them run. The hardest to deal with are ribot, sea bird, secretariat, man o war and phar lap. The rest are pedestrians. And in a 10 horses field, if you race them 10 times, 7/10 times may get you a different winner. Simple as that.
@HeraMarasLindeman12 жыл бұрын
She would, Zenyatta is good i admit it but look back at her race times has she beaten any of Ruffians records, I don't think so.
@crazyesox12 жыл бұрын
nothing against Queen Z but Ruffian would not give up like that. Neither would Seabiscuit.
@johnofohu12313 жыл бұрын
@HorseshoeStables11 Ruffian would kick secretariats ass too
@Erbblume13 жыл бұрын
not a chance that ruffian was coming in sixth place, she'd have won!
@annikafroling597911 жыл бұрын
haha, yes :DD Secretariat is the best !^^
@bad-unicorn66684 жыл бұрын
We're is Secreteriat?
@justzenyatta11 жыл бұрын
will i think that ruffian, zenyatta , black caviar are a mach for Secretariat
@HeraMarasLindeman12 жыл бұрын
And Citation too i would see it as 1. Ruffian 2. Citation 3. Zenyatta
@erice.2146 жыл бұрын
Zenyatta is probably best dirt horse of past 20 years. Although most of her wins were against the girls she did beat the boys when it counted. This is only a simulation and is only as good as the data put into it. Secretariat is not included because on his best day he was untouchable.
@marysueeasteregg6 жыл бұрын
Zenyatta was, primarily, a specialist in the failed experiment of synthetic surface. By my count, Zenyatta ran four times on natural dirt: the El Encino, her first stakes win, run eight months before Santa Anita installed an artificial Cushion Track surface; her two ventures to Oaklawn Park for the Apple Blossom Invitational; and the 2010 Breeders' Cup Classic, held at Churchill Downs, where she lost. (I acknowledge she could have/should have won that race. But even two wins rather than one in open competition wouldn't hike her up to the top IMO.) The California Horse Racing Board had mandated all CA tracks convert to synthetic by the end of 2007. Hollywood Park, where Zenyatta ran her first two races in November and December of 2006, had converted to Cushion Track (synthetic fiber, elastic fiber and granulated rubber, all coated with wax and mixed with silica) a few months prior to her debut. Del Mar converted to Polytrack (polypropylene fibers, rubber, and silica sand, all beneath a wax coating) early in 2007, well before Zenyatta ran there. Santa Anita reconverted to natural dirt in December 2010, Del Mar in 2015. Hollywood Park has closed. Zenyatta could handle dirt, obviously, winning 3 of 4 starts on the surface. But I am uncomfortable calling a horse who ran on actual dirt a total of four times the best on that surface in the past two decades. Zenyatta's style of running was ideal for synthetic, which favors long striding horses with a late kick. Form on synthetic FAR more resembles form on turf than it does that on natural dirt surface. Many good speed horses have flopped on synthetic, unable to adapt. Too bad Zenyatta was never tried on grass.
@europeracing12 жыл бұрын
Is that you Andy Beyer?
@MsSophia9710 жыл бұрын
Oh where oh where is my secretariat oh where oh where could he be? Oh that's right he's to good for that because they know he would beat her XD May I mention man o war? Come on.
@MsSophia9710 жыл бұрын
Blame?
@heatherhalleck883610 жыл бұрын
Secretariat probably would have beat her. He was the better horse. Although she had the same stride angle as Secretariat and also had about 1 ft. longer in her stride. I don't think she had a big enough engine to beat the great one.
@nxtex086 жыл бұрын
And Seattle Slew
@frankcaroleif94024 жыл бұрын
Wheres. Onion
@spaz51383 жыл бұрын
Actually zenyatta is better because she was undefeated in her 19 career starts so ya.
@johnofohu12313 жыл бұрын
@HorseshoeStables11 Which comment?
@johnwalsh32154 жыл бұрын
Well I can see Zenyatta winning but Ruffian 6th??? Come on she refused to give up a lead! Both are amazing horses I’d hate to see either one lose but to have Ruffian in 6th no way!!!
@monomoygirl95624 жыл бұрын
I actually doubt Zenyatta would be able to catch Ruffian. Ruffian probably wouldn’t have romped, but she still would’ve won, in my opinion.
@johnwalsh32154 жыл бұрын
@@monomoygirl9562 hi Camilla, can you believe they had Ruffian coming in 6th? No way!!!! She was just way to fast!!! Haha! I’m with you, I’m not sure any horse could have run her down, but if one could I’d have to go with Z!!! Mike said he didn’t know how fast she could go he never asked her! I read someplace that Z’s strides were so long that when she stretched them out her legs actually moved slower using less energy so if any horse had a chance of catching Ruffian it would be Zenyatta! Hope you have a wonderful Christmas!
@monomoygirl95624 жыл бұрын
I have to be honest, I’m not exactly a Zenyatta fan but i definitely have to agree with you, Zenyatta is a freak and I think it would be a very close stretch between them, both incredible horses, even if Ruffian is my favorite:) Anyways, Merry Christmas to you too!!
@johnwalsh32153 жыл бұрын
@@monomoygirl9562 hi Camilla hope you had a great Christmas and your having a happy new year! What your not a Zenyatta fan!! Sorry but we can’t be friends haha, just kidding!!! I couldn’t resist saying that haha! Anyway I just finished a book by I guess I’d say a friend I met here on KZbin and I enjoyed his book very much and I think anyone who loves thoroughbreds would enjoy too! I thought I’d tell you about it thinking you might enjoy reading it. It’s called... Secretariat and Sham by BJ Robbins. It’s more a history of thoroughbreds and racing than Secretariat and Sham. I found it on Lulu if your interested Take care and stay well!!
@monomoygirl95623 жыл бұрын
hello! hahah! i’ll definitely take a look at that book when i get the chance!! i hope you are doing well and happy Pegasus World Cup day!!
@Bigshotism14 жыл бұрын
@FloridaVermont Another way of looking at Zenyatta's probable performance decline is to consider this: in the 2010 Clement Hirsch Zenyatta ran 3.55 seconds slower than her 2008 Clement Hirsch. Zenyatta ran two 108 BSF's (which for synthetics is incredible) before winning the 2008 Ladies Classic. This year she ran a 95 BSF/101 BSF before running a 111 BSF in the Breeders Cup Classic. It's not unreasonable to think Zenyatta would have put up a much more compelling performance given her 08 form.
@RunLikeAFilly12 жыл бұрын
Ruffian set the standard for Zenyatta and Ruffian was the first queen. You don't know anything about Ruffian because she is far far better than Zenyatta.
@xxibitsuxx14 жыл бұрын
Cool simulation, though I think that Ruffian, had she lived longer, would have been the queen of the racetrack. Zenyatta doesn't win by the same margins as Ruffian did, and Ruffian also set or met track records every time she ran. Love Zenyatta, but Ruffian was in another league.
@kusinanilingling14 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. i really like the simulation of this video. this is a very interesting video..
@McFamouse13 жыл бұрын
What happened to secretariat???
@12bluedragon12 жыл бұрын
That simulation needs new software there's NO way Ruffian would've just burnt out like that!! She would've tolerated it then and I'm not tolerating it now!
@michaelsena55773 жыл бұрын
Just taking this field into consideration and not discussing the host of other racehorses that were omitted from the field, how do you consider this a true simulation when Ruffian was never headed at any fraction in any of her past performances? It's one thing to be an undefeated horse, which is a GREAT accomplishment, but to never be headed? Ruffian has "All Ones" in her past performances.
@lkel911 жыл бұрын
Maybe they didn't put secretariat because he would beat them all no problem !
@hayleywhitfield1666 жыл бұрын
You left Secretariat out,but im sorry zen wouldve never beaten ruffian .
@siriusleesweet14 жыл бұрын
I only recognized Seabiscuit's name, but the thing I found most interesting about this simulation was how CBS and 60 Minutes were advertised on the gate.
@HorseCrazieGirl1514 жыл бұрын
what about secretariat? isnt he worth racing?
@officialqueenkaitlin12 жыл бұрын
soooo wheres Secretariat.? just hanging around watching the race or what. & FYI Ruffian would have won that race.
@arthtv39157 жыл бұрын
where's secretariat
@obbieboy2 жыл бұрын
My fantasy 10-horse race, mile and a quarter on dry dirt. Ruffian, Zenyatta, Affirmed, Kelso, Citation, Man O'War, his son War Admiral, Cigar, Seattle Slew, and Winx of Australia. Secretariat sits this one out because of his obvious advantage of having a heart twice the size of everyone else. My fantasy ending - photo finish with all horses in line, with no obvious winner or loser.
@obbieboy2 жыл бұрын
Late entry - Secretariat carrying 175 pounds.
@nancylaino7124 жыл бұрын
Where was Man O' War in this lineup?
@elizabethferguson70025 жыл бұрын
I get the whole filly bias but if you really want to see what would happen ... You gotta add (to Zenyatta, Rachel Alexandra, and Ruffian) Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret, Genuine Risk, Winning Colors, Rags To Riches, Ta Wee, Twighlight Tear, Winx, Black Caviar, Cicada, Princess Rooney, Desert Vixen, Terlingua, Devona Dale, Have De Gras, Eight Belles, Miesque,...Can't forget Imp, Mother Goose, Acorn, Bewitched...should I keep going? I'd be amiss if I didn't include Go For Wand (no telling how good she actually was, she was a freak of nature...) If you haven't heard of any of these racing ladies, Queens of the Turf...may I suggest you look them up?
@lehcaraz14 жыл бұрын
Well a lot of these mares would not find it a fair race for them. Some horses are turf, some synthetic is their best, and some prefer dirt. Usually horses stay within their best track. That was what hurt Zenyatta in her last race. She raced almost exclusively on synthetic which does not kick up as much as dirt track does. Because she breaks last she took a stinging spray of dirt she had never experienced. She almost quit running. That is why Mike has to let her lag back and pull herself together.
@pdg61met4 жыл бұрын
So this is to determine the 2nd best? All roads lead through Secretariat
@lkel911 жыл бұрын
WHERE IS SECRETARIAT !!!??
@horsesrotflol13 жыл бұрын
Rachel Alexandra, running with Ruffian?!! Get real, that couldn't happen.
@deseyered10 жыл бұрын
They didn't include Secretariat.. really?
@schelichstar500110 жыл бұрын
I bet Secretariat would CREAM all of the other horses!!
@BigCJFan10 жыл бұрын
Breyer Star Secretariat should've been the first horse to put in this simulation.
@schelichstar500110 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@Rimfaxe9610 жыл бұрын
They didn't place Secretariat in this because otherwise nobody would have ever believed this crap to be of any accuracy. While it's still ridiculous to say that Zenyatta would have defeated Triple Crown winners or Ruffian (who was known to keep her front running style and not just staying in the same speed level in the stretch) at least these horses aren't known well-enough by the younger fan generations Zenyatta has attracted, so they'll believe it. I'd be laughing if they'd included Man O' War and claim that Zenyatta would have defeated him as well. Or maybe Kincesm, too bad her time was long before detailed times were measured.
@jamielong943710 жыл бұрын
Your right, it zenyatta was the " the best" they should have secratariat.
@cjurmu14 жыл бұрын
This is kind of fun! good graphics!
@romanaprovin71328 жыл бұрын
Ruffian lost ? Normaly she goes away and won by 8 or 10 leghts
@anthonyd333318 жыл бұрын
You really think she would have beaten Affirmed, Cigar, Citation, or Seabiscuit? You're dreaming.
@romanaprovin71328 жыл бұрын
+anthonyd73648 But she would beat Zenyatta
@romanaprovin71328 жыл бұрын
+anthonyd73648 But she would beat Zenyatta
@anthonyd333318 жыл бұрын
She would have beaten Zenyatta, that is for sure.
@Bigshotism14 жыл бұрын
@FloridaVermont I would submit that Zenyatta's 111 BSF in the 2010 Breeder's Cup Classic was not her best performance (and not simply because of her lackluster start). Zenyatta routinely ran near track records when running on synthetics in CA back in 2008 (her 4 year old campaign, which was probably her best). In the 2008 Clement Hirsch she set a track record going 8.5F in 1:41:48. That is the best time in four complete seasons of racing over that well-traveled distance.
@racinford16 жыл бұрын
Zenyatta was the GREATEST deep closer EVER. Might have been the most exciting to watch too.
@terrifictroll19167 жыл бұрын
if this was a real field zenyatta had a LEGIT chance to run LAST...having zenyatta win this simulation puts a huge black eye on this simulation program
@jennyhutchinson237412 жыл бұрын
OMG RUFFIAN SHOULD HAVE WON. Nothing against Zenyatta. RUFFIAN WOULD NOT ALLOW Z TO PASS HER!!!
@daniellesimms83638 жыл бұрын
U missed phar lap and Ummm idk I forgot the name it starts with a s
@BackstretchUnderdog14 жыл бұрын
@Nucleo85Torino I completely agree.
@wolfsrule10013 жыл бұрын
i was rooting for ruffian SO bad!
@Bigshotism14 жыл бұрын
@FloridaVermont With respect to track records, you are making an erroneous assumption: that all tracks have identical variants. The intrinsic speed of a track is not set in stone and is influenced by weather, track maintenance, and other variables. Furthermore, there are technological advances. Next, all horses have subpar performances and we can't safely assume a horse ran its best each time it runs in a highly visible race. It's pure folly to compare horses across generations.
@priscs13 жыл бұрын
Ruffian goes from 1st to 7th in the final 1/16? Truly laughable.
@gisellecastillo77569 жыл бұрын
where is secretariat !!!!!!! he wouldwin them even in real life!!!!!!
@spaz51383 жыл бұрын
Actually where is secretariat??!!:(
@jcsbyrd3614 жыл бұрын
You notice they didn't include secretariat. Why is that? or Phar Lap? Two of the greatest horses in history...
@chels231514 жыл бұрын
@xxcrystlecityxx Ruffian had that race in my opinion once shed pull away nobody could catch her! = ]
@GBeret8314 жыл бұрын
@Skymist13, I highly agree!!! What about replacing Big Brown with Secretariat? Or replacing Smarty Jones with Seattle Slew? Or put Spectacular Bid in the race instead of Barbaro. I kind of see what they're trying to do here? I think they're trying to mix older great's with some of the better modern horses as well? But as you said, these colt's were good. Not great. The only "great's on this list is Citation, Affirmed, Seabicuit, Ruffian, Cigar, and Zenyatta. The rest are suspect at best? IMO.
@jaredadler97467 жыл бұрын
So this is how Larry Collmus made his living?
@Bigdealerboy12 жыл бұрын
Fantasy you say? Ok, you are right, Zenyatta won, so it must be a fantasy.