"Zeon Did Nothing Wrong"

Just a quick recap of all the things Zeon definitely didn't do

[@arragon5481]

Zeon: "We fight for the rights of all those in the colonies!" proceeds to destroy colonies left and right

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

Some colonies didn't want to join yet Zeon force some of them to do so.

[@millerlucerojames]

@@gerogyzurkov2259 and look how that turned out ... federation development on anti colony weapons ( x gundam and other weapons ) um a split in the federation resulting in the titans forming ( and failing ) causing yet how many colony drops and deaths ? ..

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

@raynaldo arlen k.eman When unfortunately the population was decimated.

[@taliawtf6944]

Hey if you are not with them you are clearly against them... This is the mindset of all rebels through out time and it tends to be the correct one horrifically enough. Besides the feddies are no better they shot down hospital ships, blasted colonies, gassed colonies, turned gassed colony into a WMD and that doesn't even being to touch the nepotism, cronyism and rampant corruption through out the Earth federation... The point is that neither side was much better than the other and the horror of war is you have a lot of good people stuck between the two with little to no say in the conflict. :/

[@magicianman534]

@@millerlucerojames Can't really blame the Federation for wanting anti-colony weapons when the weather forecast for next week is "more shit dropped by assholes in space".

[@Anirlon]

Zeon makes a grand gesture for peace by manually returning the colonies to the Earth, one by one

[@dudududu1926]

They just forgot to install the parachutes.

[@dylansylvester4719]

So what is your return policy on O'Neill cylinders, exactly?

[@neroidius6915]

It was a smooth and gentle ride, so smooth that all the colony inhabitants fell asleep during it... forever

[@midgetydeath]

@dudududu1926 Imagine if that was true. Picture their reaction when the chutes don’t open.

[@labbit35]

Zeon in every fucking pre 100 UC Gundam movie ever: would it be nice if we *tried to fucking eliminate a whole ass city*

[@pressurechief]

I dont think zeon (at least the military faction) existed post 0100 UC iirc

[@arnogiessen9762]

@@pressurechief they had remants on mars

[@averagefilipino742]

@@arnogiessen9762 They had 2 remants of mars The feminist l0lis The boomers

[@ultimateloser3411]

Well they have to train to kill people and no better way to practice than some civillians. The more the better

[@MrPikaGammer]

@@pressurechief 100 is when Unicorn takes place and is also the part where they try to justify Zeons crime's and act like the Federation were the true evil.

[@agintofchoas7014]

My favorite war crime is when m’quve announces to the federation that he will use a nuke and then says “i know this violates the Antarctic treaty, but i refuse to lose”

[@rustyshackle8000]

"I know this is cheating, but fuck it I wanna win."

[@agintofchoas7014]

@@caiomesquita268 except for the fact Amuro disarms the nuke but sure, common zeon W

[@PissedOffBeyond]

@@agintofchoas7014 Sounds like a common W to me.

[@adamhayden4455]

@@PissedOffBeyond At least how Zeon usually experiences it

[@noranomics]

And then the best part is that when it gets fucked up he's just like "lol oh well just another day in paradise" like he didn't just do the cuban missile crisis on roids

[@deltahalo241]

"Oh my God! Zeon are dropping a Colony on Earth!" "Again?"

[@celiovicenteribeirofilho9740]

Always

[@canadiancanucklehead8310]

“AGAIN?!? YOUVE SEEN THIS BEFORE?!?”

[@lordfrostwind3151]

Australia: "Oh Hell here we go again."

[@NoTraceOfSense]

“IT’S NOT EVEN TUESDAY YET!”

[@cernunnos8344]

I've just started watching Gundam don't tell me they do it more than once 💀

[@moffwibbles7896]

Interviewer: "What does it feel like to take human life?" Ghiren, Char, Delaaz, M'quve: "I wouldn't know. I've only ever killed Earthnoids."

[@dangermjort]

Zeon: "Why do people hate us so?" Also Zeon:

[@mousemessiah]

Wait. People hate Zeon?

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@mousemessiah With a burning passion. At least any normal person.

[@michelecastellotti9172]

​@@mousemessiahpeople with a functioning brain do

[@mousemessiah]

@@michelecastellotti9172 I don't get why. They did nothing wrong.

[@JustAnotherPest]

"Dang, that colony we gassed and launched at Jaburo missed." "Let's do it again."

[@salvoix86]

Finally, a meme who's humor isn't weighed down by grav- wait.

[@AWholeLegionary]

*A literal space colony hits your house*

[@salvoix86]

@@AWholeLegionary "NANIIIIIII?!"

[@supsup335]

Proceeds with colony drop

[@chaseroland6086]

@@AWholeLegionary Hey look it a Unexpected Zaku II !

[@goldenmerry2805]

maybe this meme isn't wieghed down by gravity, but that colony surely is

[@pulmonary_fibrosis6509]

As a confirmed Feddie, I will give the Zekes a pass on the first colony drop. They were obviously so scared of Australia's wildlife that they had to drop one from space. They kinda missed but the effort was there

[@patrickflying17]

I like to think that most of the autraila figheteres were just a bunch of pissed off emus and the one year war was just the great emu war 2.

[@dekinnis]

@@SuperBrahimos the emus want their revenge...

[@dekinnis]

@@SuperBrahimos you stand no chance against their might

[@dekinnis]

@@SuperBrahimos nah it was just three blokes with a bad gun and a crap ute

[@hussarzwei6223]

The emus went on to create the Titans.

[@nickgennady]

Remember guys, it’s only a war crime if you lose the war.

[@leyellowladybug4924]

Well they lost it pretty hard

[@DwarfDaddy]

It’s fucked up how accurate this statement is

[@iamanzem4507]

Wins war, all the atrocities gets swept under as 'means to an end'

[@goodbro2046]

-Germany 1933

[@Wolfen443]

Yeah, the Allies learned deliver that lesson on the Axis after WWII. I imagine that the leadership of the Allies could have put on trial if the Axis side had won, or war reparations imposed on them or being outright occupied/ erased of the map.

[@theoneeyedone4786]

Can't break the Geneva convention if there's no more Geneva. - Zeon... probably

[@mastertadakatsu]

Don't think they aimed one at Geneva. They did get Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, and Canberra in one shot though

[@benlex5672]

@@mastertadakatsu The fact that all of those are aimed at Jaburo and THEY ALL MISSED. Like at some point you gonna stop trying.

[@awildbluedestinyunit1appea333]

"The Geneva Convention? Never heard of it. Sounds nice, might go there one day." - Zeon

[@seawind930]

Geneva? Sounds like a good spot for a colony to land.

[@casualgamingauraous2345]

@@seawind930 Geneva? Sounds like a plan to create legal deniability to cover atrocity’s that actually are happening..That civilian town sure looks outta place..I think it’d look nicer if it wasn’t there anymore.

[@FantasticMrFrog]

Also known as the Geneva Suggestions

[@hestan723]

More like the Geneva opinion And like most opinion, nobody gives a fuck about it

[@bc303]

@@FantasticMrFrog I think you mean the Geneva Checklist

[@Durdles26]

“Bro we only dropped 3 colonies, an asteroid, used a giant death laser, Nukes and gas. Like nothing to lose your head over” -Gihren probably

[@frogfinance4605]

*multiple asteroids

[@mechanomics2649]

Also Gihren: This Hitler fellow seems pretty neat.

[@TheVoiceOfReason93]

Kycilia would beg to differ, even if it's not over those atrocities.

[@mechadeka]

@@nokionb2194 You know the Federation was allowed to own nukes, right? The Antarctic Treaty only forbade the _use_ of nuclear weapons. And that was only during the One Year War. And do you know that Zeon both owned and attempted to use nukes on multiple occasions during the OYW? I also believe the Federation never used nuclear weapons against anything other than colony drops after the OYW.

[@Fulcrox]

​​@@mechadeka Nukes we're outlawed, the antartic treaty was not a "one year war" thing like any other treaty. Thats why the Feds buried everything about the GPs. They violated it just like Killing on war in the pocket, who directly went against Zeon high command orders

[@Jordanationalismtion]

Remember kids, it's not a war crime if you win-- oh, wait...

[@TehCheeezyPoofz]

they'll win some day

[@Jordanationalismtion]

@@TehCheeezyPoofz "If we just keep hitting population centers and popping colonies like balloons, surely that will prove the righteousness of our cause to all of humanity! We'll keep killing every civilian we have to until they realize this!"

[@TehCheeezyPoofz]

@@Jordanationalismtion based

[@ekosubandie2094]

Trust the plan, Zeonbros We'll win someday

[@yopiumtrader222]

Don't worry, if they keep the K/D ratio up, there'll eventually be no one left to beat them.

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

As someone who grew up Wing rather than the main Gundam timeline, I remember hearing so many people saying "Zeon are actually the good guys!" And then I finally got around to watching the first episode of the OG Gundam where the first scene of the first episode opens with Zeon dropping the colony on earth and I was like "Good guys, huh?"

[@nicholas.e5158]

They are and the arent. The og gundam series was written has entry into this world. Your looking at the zabis doing not zeon itself. Those who said zeon are the good guys more than likely watched every series of uc timwline. This consists of the novels and anime. Once you do that you will come to a different opinion of a gray scale

[@TheNapster153]

I think not enough credit is given to how the Earth Alliance, and by extension OZ and Romefeller, were able to keep the colonies so successfully suppressed. If it wasn't for the Gundam Scientists escapes and that they lived of corporate build the colonies may have gone under totalitarian rule for much longer. At least, until the corporate in-fighting bled into the society and influnced the colonists to take sides.

[@NeroLordofChaos]

Rule 1 of UC Gundam: There aren't any "good guys" Rule 2 of UC Gundam: The only good guys are the people.

[@manat31790]

The only logical reasoning behind Zeon fandom is that they are a lot more charismatic than Earth Federation (Pseudo freedom fighters vs. corrupted government). Their mono-eyes robots are a lot cooler and the characters are more passionate in whatever they're doing compared to constantly whiny/angsty/angry heroes groups. This is a constant problem that has plagued every single fiction with pseudo grey morality: Antagonists innately have more drives than protagonists because the villains initiate the conflicts while the heroes react to the crisis. In addition, modern audiences have a tendency to sympathize the bad guys and try to justify their struggles. Just look at how supervillains are depicted in My Hero Academia's lore and fandom: They constantly try to paint themselves as victims despite all the horrible things they've done, and it WORKS on good sums of audiences who can't see through their rhetoric. Not that it's a problem. Neither Mobile Suit Gundam nor My Hero Academia is real. People are free to like or root for whatever characters they want. The problem only starts when some of them become toxic, bend the narrative and story lore to their liking, and acting superior to others. This from my experience includes whatever click-baiting anime essay on KZbin trying to present Zeon fanboyism as intellectual criticism. It just doesn't work. Asides from jokes and memes, no sane people should ever agree with Zeon on the ideological level, let alone evangelize characters like the Zabis, Gato, Haman, CCA Char, or Full Frontal as good guys. The point of Zeon from a narrative perspective is that soldiers have been wrongfully used, educated, or manipulated into continuing some space fascism regime under a false hope of attention and freedom. Evangelizing their crusades and making martyrs out of all the deaths and suffering behind them go directly against the writers' anti-war sentimentality, and it can make people question their own morality in bad ways.

[@lucasoliveirafrancisco6868]

Truly the good guys

[@yuchenliu9329]

How you think that people in Gundam fight wars: Beams, Lazers, Mobile suits...... how they actually fought wars: Throw rocks.

[@RustBot42]

Thing is, gravity is a much more powerful force than we often give it credit for. Even the relatively small kinetic rods that (I hope) are still just hypothetical, can cause destruction on a massive scale due to all that kinetic energy impacting into the Earth's surface. When talking space warfare, living inside the gravity well of a planet can often be a deathtrap. Also rocks are cheap.

[@jtlego1]

@@RustBot42 There's a reason why there's an ambient conversation in Mass Effect 2 about not firing a capital-class ship round without *knowing* that you're gonna hit your target. Those shots in zero-grav will *just keep going* if they miss and god help whatever (or whenever) it hits.

[@RustBot42]

@@jtlego1 Exactly, I think that's a thing in The Expanse too, where warships mainly use railguns due to the insane distances between ships (as in, your target is so far away that it's invisible to the naked eye).

[@thuranz2773]

@@jtlego1 I've heard that in Stellaris you can get a random event where a projectile from a different galaxy strikes a research ship.

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@thuranz2773 that looks like a very BASED premise for a story

[@tayuyamajik6525]

1:02 my favorite part. The sun glasses are funny

[@hestan723]

It is also a cool reference about the first nuke test Give some historical vibe

[@thedstorm8922]

"Firing a death beam on civilians might hurt your eyes here take these glasses"

[@bthsr7113]

@@thedstorm8922 Well it wasn't civilians though. It was military commanders looking to make a peace settlement.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

So from what I can tell, these Zeon dudes liked to drop a lot of extremely large objects on planets and habitats, then tear the rest up with _very_ oversized beam weapons.

[@russkatherealoriginal6904]

Thats what they literally did, many many times.

[@whichDude]

Best thing is they fight for the people on the colonies. They just genocide their own that remain neutral or side with Earth.

[@loadeddice4696]

Basically yes, but their robots look cool and they wear Hugo Boss so somehow people still like them

[@alpha-uk4mh]

​@loadeddice4696 tbh most gundam uc fans like zeon cause of their mobile suits

[@whichDude]

@@alpha-uk4mh Gundams look like rainbow Mary Sues; meanwhile, Zakus look like robot foot soldiers. Plus mono eye moving to stare at something always looks great and intimidating

[@battlesheep2552]

Zeon Daikun: wouldn't it be nice if everyone went to space and got telepathy so we wouldn't have to kill each other all the time over disagreements? Every "Zeon" since: lol colony go brrrr

[@thuranz2773]

Imagine how different the Universal Century would've turned out if he were still alive. Or if Ricardo Marcenas hadn't been killed and Laplace colony destroyed in a terrorist attack orchestrated by his own son and other right-wing extremists.

[@neroidius6915]

"Hippity hoppity your colony is now my dropperty."

[@derejoin]

Brrrrr

[@andrejg4136]

Sad thing is, even with full knowledge of someone else, there is still the barrier of ego. By the end of their duel over the still crashing Axis, Char and Amuro knew precisely what the other was thinking, but still couldn't understand and come to terms with it. While Char was blabbering about Lalah maybe being a maternal figure to him to help him solve his deep issues, Amuro realized that no matter how much he read his mind, he'd still never understand Casval rem Deikun. And then everyone got reduced to light. Funny enough, when Evangelion is in a SRW with UC Gundam, Newtypes and Human Instrumentality go hand in glove.

[@battlesheep2552]

@@andrejg4136 yeah I also point out how the philosophy was disproven in Zeta Gundam. Kamille was able to reach full understanding with Haman Karn, which is how he knew she needed to die. Some people are just that rotten.

[@neroidius6915]

"It's funny because thousands of people die." -Zeon commander Max0r

[@Luzhong_editz]

In which video did max0r said that

[@Test-mq8ih]

​@@Luzhong_editzthat was a joke duh

[@Luzhong_editz]

@@Test-mq8ih ik, so I wanna know what game makes max0r said that

[@arragon5481]

Zeon was doomed to fail from the start, they did nothing but incite in fighting over who gets to lead. and then you had the part when Kycilia killed Gehren and thought all of Zeon would just follow her and instead it made everyone start fighting each other.

[@moloko912]

They start fighting each other long befor that Ramba and dozzule didnt had to die but zeon was just too confident

[@nerdorama009]

...they did just follow her because it was the middle of an existential battle. Zeon didn't lose A Baoa Qu because of Kycillia's teamkilling, they lost because the Feddies outgunned them at that point, and Amuro successfully distracted and killed their last Wunderwaffen. Now, was Zeon tenable as a monarchy whose leaders and prospective leaders kept fragging each other? Of course not. But Kycillia killing Gihren was just one step in the cycle of infighting, and not nearly the most fatal one.

[@battlesheep2552]

I think they would have won if Operation British was successful. Much of the Federation's manufacturing capacity was in Jaburo, and it was only thanks to that they were able to win the war of attrition, after all, having more people is kind of useless if you don't have any ships or mobile suits for them to fight in.

[@DR.SLAMMER]

Let's not forget misappropriating war funds towards costly and experimental mobile armors (i.e. Big Zam) while the Federation had both a numbers and tech advantage. (GMs being arguably worse than the Zaku/Zaku II but making up the gap with portable beam weaponry)

[@xxxlisandroxxx98]

I think Kycilia would have been able to pull it off if it weren’t for Char doing the best headshot in history at her.

[@georgesagan]

Zeon Zum Daikun, literally did nothing wrong...Because he died...

[@voyagerwitch]

you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain

[@codyyoung5946]

@@voyagerwitch You either die -a hero- _before you nation can commit war crimes_ or live long enough to -see yourself become the villain- _get blamed for the war crimes you very much did_

[@voyagerwitch]

@@codyyoung5946 was deikum even really a war leader? i thought he was just kind of an academic and writer.

[@codyyoung5946]

@@voyagerwitch No, he was not a war leader but he was the prime minister of the Republic of Zeon and he was very much advocating for the armed revolt of all colonies against the Federation...

[@voyagerwitch]

@@codyyoung5946 well he clearly didn't "very much do" any war crimes, then. his country may have, but never under his watch or will.

[@titantitties]

They did a lot in 79, impressive

[@quangcaodo8864]

"One Year War"

[@titantitties]

@@quangcaodo8864 nah shit Sherlock

[@cernunnos8344]

One Year War undersells how busy that one year was, I mean they did a LOT

[@jacobwumbo827]

Studies show 90% of all colony droppers where only one dropped colony away from achieving their war aims. Let that be a lesson to never give up!

[@c3lest1na45]

This radiates same energy as "belka did nothing wrong"

[@astartes2781]

Curse those Belkans!

[@deshon845]

i’d just like to point out half of this video is JUST during the year 0079. Zeon was fucking CRAZY

[@Gio-mi3hd]

poor Prof Minovsky... getting killed by his own creation... indirectly.

[@Pyroraptor16]

Why does every plan Zeon comes up with amount to “lets drop a large space object on something”?

[@officialFredDurstfanclub]

If it works it works

[@jtlego1]

Well when you live in space, everything looks like a rock to yeet at your enemies.

[@reee_4067]

Same thing with terrorists using planes to bomb buildings, because it works and is available

[@bthsr7113]

@@officialFredDurstfanclub Well... it didn't. For any of them. So under the "It's not stupid or crazy if it works," rules, it's still stupid and crazy..

[@pufnbal1744]

Unbeknownst to everyone. Zeon owns a huge book that has different plans they can try to use to win. If they can't figure out what to do next. Unfortunately someone gummed up all the pages with sticky syrup. So when you open it, the first and only page that isn't stuck. Is just "DROP STUFF FROM SPACE" written in bold text.

[@Something8830]

Zeon could have won the war if they hadn’t spent so much time killing innocent civilians

[@Death_true]

And each other

[@rafaelglopezroman1110]

Most cohesive auth-regime.

[@bthsr7113]

@@RetroRadianceLight No.

[@dragonfell5078]

@@RetroRadianceLight I'm sure you'll still be saying that if you ever get invaded one day XD

[@Carlos-ui5dx]

@@RetroRadianceLight what a weird thing to think, but okay, enjoy your future war crime trial

[@lemonlefleur6236]

“Tell me son, have you heard of Hitler?” “Have you dad?”

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

“You want these colonies, you can have them!” -Zeon, probably

[@vdubmerc3]

You forgot the “vaporization” bomb in Odessa

[@networknomad5600]

Who could forget such novel and totally legal ordnance?

[@vdubmerc3]

@@networknomad5600 No violated treaties here

[@rogue_shad3258]

"Your honor, Free bird was playing"

[@laserbread1319]

You forgot the part in double zeta where Rakan Dahkaran blows up a ship full of refugees. His aiming crosshair settles directly over the red cross on the boat even

[@bthsr7113]

Man... how deranged do you have to be to something like that!?

[@tarektechmarine8209]

@@bthsr7113 super based.

[@tibbygaycat]

Damn seems like a bad dude tbh

[@robertwhite7845]

If there's one thing that Gundam has taught me, never underestimate human being's ability to be awful to other human beings.

[@PALACIO254]

It took an anime to teach you that? I just watched the news specifically the Spanish one where a lot of it was "so they found another headless girl on the desert" or "sometimes I have to walk my kids to school next to dead bodies" or when I visited family in Mexico and was told to be careful being out at night

[@NovaSoldier]

"Zeon did nothing wrong" proceeds to show a video of nothing wrong happening, quite based

[@tayuyamajik6525]

Yeah well they didn't get their space rights lmao so...

[@hestan723]

@@volkskrieg8735 spacenoids are independant from living

[@kanadetone]

@@volkskrieg8735 hmmm, sounds like something terrorists would say.

[@dave7886]

@@volkskrieg8735 The Fed just needed to develop a way to blast falling colonies, do that and zeon would burn itself out

[@Ami-vh7sr]

@@volkskrieg8735 The funny thing is that Zeon only dropped a Colony on Earth after the Federation Launched Nuclear strikes on Colonies.....

[@Scylla_Charybdis]

Meanwhile, in the Inner Sphere: *Laughing in Succession War*

[@Gavin_Star]

Don't let the Zabis anywhere near the BattleTech universe. They will be absolutely obliterated, but not before they can royally fuck up everyone and everything within reach first.

[@Scylla_Charybdis]

@@Gavin_Star Great House Zabi, making Kurita look like perfectly balanced individuals

[@MoreEvilThanYahweh]

@@Scylla_Charybdis Minoru, Jinjiro and Hohiro Kurita: Hold our beer

[@bthsr7113]

I feel like Zeon would be right at home with Cappellans in the sense of being all "WMD goes Wheeeeee! Wait, what do you mean we're losing?" Though their mech design philosophy could be argued to be a mix of Steiner and Clanner

[@MrPikaGammer]

@@bthsr7113 The Zabi's might just end up high up in Capellan nobility to be honest.

[@bobdmz6437]

Zeon: “We are fighting to give better lives to those living in the colonies!” Colonies before Zeon: *Freaking Paradise* Colonies after Zeon: 💀

[@atleefo3312]

what anime is this

[@bobdmz6437]

@@atleefo3312 Gundam

[@JarankuUculNyemplungSegara]

@@atleefo3312 Gundam, spesifically the "Universal Century" timeline

[@bkaneshiro14]

"We did it, Patrick! We saved the city! :D"

[@bw6188]

Honestly, I’d love to see a series set in like UC 25-50 or something durring the initial space colonization drive to see how it actually was

[@JoshuaGapaz]

Im honestly suprised the earth federation didnt drop a colony on zeon for funsies.

[@Gavin_Star]

I *would* say that it's kinda hard to drop a colony on a colony, but Zeon somehow managed to do it to themselves in ZZ so I've got no clue.

[@rvides5417]

Spoilers - - - - I'm not entirely up to date on the Gundam Thunderbolt manga but if I recall correctly they attempt something like that at one point.

[@bthsr7113]

That... seems wildly impractical and excessive. A warship flotilla should be cheaper and faster.

[@michaeledmunds7056]

@@bthsr7113 Oh come on, dropping a warship flotilla on them is AT LEAST as excessive

[@bthsr7113]

@@michaeledmunds7056 you know that's not what I meant, but I do feel like 5 Salamis class ships made into nuclear fire ships would still be faster and cheaper than escorting a colony on a collision course, and easier to replace.

[@booyah344]

My Favorite part of any SRW with UC or Wing is when the aliens from other franchise come down and see the humans already ripping themselves apart they're always like "man, you guys are stupid"

[@andrejg4136]

Literally anytime Gunbuster is involved: do you not see the literal giant fuck you space bugs coming to devour like... everything?

[@m4albino201]

Zeon tries not to drop colonies to prove a point challenge: impossible

[@soldat_von_wien]

The assassination of the Deikuns wasnt Zeon, that was the Zabis Also Zeon Deikun was batshit crazy

[@danielknowles3051]

Deikun’s whole plan according to Origins was to declare war anyways. The Zabis just delayed enough Zeon stood a chance

[@gavinerickson9392]

Degwin was based and Ghiren is really the only truly evil Zabi during the war.

[@battlesheep2552]

I heard we don't even know if the poisoning was real, or the guy just had a heart attack and Jimba Ral blamed it on the Zabis

[@danielknowles3051]

@@battlesheep2552 my thoughts exactly. It’s left very ambiguous. The Zabis never talk about it amongst themselves, it’s only Ramba who mentions it, and he’s crazy

[@nathanperquin9910]

@@danielknowles3051 to be fair he just wanted to declare the colonies independant, not open a war by dropping a colony on earth

[@Annikai]

It's funny reading the novelization of the original series because the book just straight up starts with explaining the fact that Zeon basically killed everyone in sides 1,2,4, and 5 for supplies. Like there's a reason Side 7 and 6 secretly were working with the EFF behind Zeon's backs.

[@eletrictarantula2321]

Zeon: *casually drops shit ton of space stuffs onto earth* Also zeon: why does everyone keep saying that we're the bad guys?

[@Akalos1]

Because spacenoids are evil and only the purifying nerve gas and nuclear weapons of the glorious Earth Federation's elite fighting force, the Titans, can put a stop to their debauchery.

[@manat31790]

Moral lesson: NEVER drop bombs or start firing on civilians. It's the surefire way to make yourself look like a bad guy. And yes, I say the same to the EFF elite force "Zeon 2.0" Titans.

[@Duothimir]

Man not even the Titans went as far as Zeon. They sucked so bad at it that Zeon came back just to show them how to be proper genocidal assholes.

[@DaSpineLessFish]

who cares, looks cool

[@edgargad2941]

That's why everyone liked the Crossbone Vanguard. They minimized damages while the Federation became the definition of Collateral Damage.

[@neon_lavander]

That's the main thing about the UC timeline, it's the people that are the good guys, not the factions, they all do good and bad, ultimately just remember this, for all zeon did wrong, for all the federation did wrong, they both gassed a colony

[@neon_lavander]

@@Duothimir you know what happened to camile's parents right?

[@ClampEEGEE]

You'd think after the first colony drop the feddies would create some sort of weapon that could prevent a second. Or a third. Or a bunch of meteors. But nah, it'll be fine.

[@YiminyCricket]

if only they created the Gundam X and the Satellite Cannon....

[@zdaboo4832]

I don't think the colonies would be reassured knowing the feds have a giant weapon that could stop a colony (drop) with a single shot or smth.

[@DrForrester87]

@@zdaboo4832 You mean Gryps II? Because the Federation did have a weapon like that.

[@DrForrester87]

Nah they were only interested in gassing colonies, shooting colonies with Gryps II, trying to drop colonies on Luna, and oh, right, shooting at colonies with Gryps II some more.

[@whichDude]

They tried, but it turns out everyone wants to fight over a giant laser like that. Federation, Titans, AUEG, and Neo Zeon all fighting for control over Gryps II. The big bad that was on the side that made it was essentially trying to destroy it at the end so that it couldn't be used against his forces.

[@russetwolf13]

Banagher Links: *grows up witnessing multiple apocalypses* Also Banagher Links: "WHY IS EVERYONE FIGHTING?"

[@bthsr7113]

On the one hand that's motivation for revenge, but on the other.... This is all still in our first and only solar system, so maybe people should realize that this is putting the very existence of humanity at risk!?!?!! Before all the off world habitats die off as a dead earth becomes unable to provide or as the rapidly dwindling humans on a dying earth lament the final fallen of the stars?

[@Aldnon]

You know, he has no right to complain when he is simping to the descendant of Zabi's.

[@brianwalsh1339]

@@Aldnon oi, Audrey’s the daughter of the one Zabi who gave a shit about his men.

[@Aldnon]

@@brianwalsh1339 Just because she has blood relation with ZABI already make your argument invalid. All ZABI is a mistake.

[@Lyzokiel]

@@Aldnon Bro, Zabi rights matter bro it's U.C 0096 get with the times

[@magus1d14]

"The Zabis was a mistake." - Zeon Zum Deinapkin probably

[@shaw1243]

Frankly, the RESTRAINT showed by the federation in not completely slaughtering Zeon after what they did to earth is amazing.

[@brandonparnell6160]

Well the writers did essentially rewrite the federation in following stories with the titans, Hathaway, and igloo ova's

[@bthsr7113]

@@brandonparnell6160 I mean, The Titans were condemned by the Federation at large when dragged into the light of day, weren't they?

[@wdcain1]

In an effort to grey up the Federation, _Gundam Igloo_ showed that after the fall of Ah Boah Qu, a Federation fleet did try to destroy Side 3 for revenge but one brave and outnumbered Zeon ship defeated them all to save the Homeland.

[@DrForrester87]

@@brandonparnell6160 Not really a re-write. That side of the Federation is hinted at sometimes in MSG but never directly expressed.

[@heresy8384]

Earth deserved it, Char did nothing wrong

[@dashincodm]

This pretty much shows us how deep The universal century lore is

[@nicholas.e5158]

Uhh Gundam Hatherway? The lore continues my friend

[@dashincodm]

@@nicholas.e5158 pretty much it's like an iceberg technically

[@nationeer]

My lecturer told me to check gundam for my political themed thesis and final project. Now I found out why..

[@xhagast]

Engineers could learn something from Gundam as well. Notice the inherent frailty of EVERYTHING. The very worst part is that it would make no difference if the tech was real and there was a real war. I heard that two thirds of WWI pilots got killed, in their first take off!!!!! Things did not get any better if they survived that. And STILL governments kept on sending them up. They were killing ten of thousands with gas so, why not?

[@Supremebro0000]

All this because a guy thought being in space gives you ultimate understanding.

[@NebLleb]

Don't look at it! You will be microwaved in an instant! Hatred... THAT IS THE LIGHT OF HATRED!!! -Amuro Ray warning the White Base crew to look away from the Solar Ray laser, December 0079

[@sethleoric2598]

Zeon and Federation are like Doctor Wily and Doctor Light, one can arguably be called "the good guy" but humans pretty much became extinct because of them.

[@jacktaylor0465]

How Dr light contribute to humanity's extinction

[@kevinc.9161]

@@jacktaylor0465 Creation of robots, which eventually led to some unknown calamity that required the creation of X. Ya know, the guy whose first 25 or so years on the planet were spent figuring what was morally good or not. Sound like doublebacking to me, but... (at least wily's creation actually ended up causing peace for more than a 1000 years.)

[@BlackfangDragon]

@@kevinc.9161 X was a prototype meant for future generations who went through over a century of testing to make sure he came out right. Whatever crisis that happened was separate, and the disaster with Reploids was directly related to Dr. Wily continuing to mess things up via Zero and the Maverick Virus, to the point he’s implied to have lived on in two old men reploids in some form in order to screw over the world and destroy X. The real problem was Dr. Cain and future humanity were dumbasses who mass produced inferior creations of X and then not having them go through the same testing resulted in humanity getting screwed when a virus infected most of them. Except Vile. He’s just a dick. This isn’t a surprise either when Wily kept on being able to fool the world multiple times and kept getting away with it. Both X, Dr. light, and Zero got the short end of the stick as a result.

[@radianceakatheradiantmeepl1004]

@@kevinc.9161 Zero May have caused the Virus but in the End he helped solve an Energy Crisis.

[@vercelfs7719]

@@radianceakatheradiantmeepl1004 yeah X ends the virus era while zero just clean the aftermath.

[@laughingkuroo2721]

Innocent Civilians: Oh, wow, I sure love living! I think I’ll walk my puppy with my family, do a picnic, top it with ice cream! Zeon: EXTERMINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-*Suicide drops a space colony on a random orphanage for rescued pets and children.*

[@bthsr7113]

Along with the babyfood factory, the farmer's market, the mom and pop shops, and maybe somehow, by sheer dumb luck, catch a few legitimate targets in the impact.

[@Chernould_]

That’s what they get for being born on Earth 😎

[@thuranz2773]

@@bthsr7113 also, they murderized the millions of people living in said space colony with chemical weapons.

[@menschman1464]

Bruh those baby’s souls were weighed down by earth’s gravity don’t even at me - zeon simp be like

[@Herr_Gamer]

It’s just as Dozle said in Origins; «If we lose, we’ll all be tried as war criminals». Simply don’t lose and it’s no issue

[@battlesheep2552]

It's only a war crime if you lose

[@Sp33ddialz]

Little known fact: If Zeon drops one more Colony on Earth, it gets to turn in the card and get a free sub!

[@keybladeciel3716]

Zeon: See that continent over there. _Take the Colony with it._

[@Southern_Crusader]

Even Henry Kissinger is like “Slow down bud!”

[@OtakuKokiri]

As a new Gundam fan, I absolutely love the sheer complexity of the war chronicling lore with many war crimes

[@bamantioindrahidayat1165]

Shusssh it's not a war crime but throwing rock

[@gottesurteil3201]

I'm simply enraptured by the 2 minutes and 27 seconds of all the wrong Zeon isn't doing.

[@carla.n.5078]

Wants to protect space colonies, proceeds to crash the moon sized one on earth.

[@KillinWithKi11Roy]

"Zeon Did Nothing Wrong" Damn right I don't want to pay dumb earth taxes!

[@pliskinishmael7190]

Zeon: *"Geneva Convention?... WHAT PLANET DO YOU THINK YOU'RE ON!?"*

[@bagea]

I don't excuse zeons war crimes but they have some banger mech designs

[@vit968]

I have a soft spot for mass production grunt suits like Zakus, Leos, Tierens, and GN-Xs

[@seawind930]

@@vit968 GM?

[@bthsr7113]

@@seawind930 Grossly underappreciated, especially by the anime writers and animators.

[@dexexmachinatu4151]

@@bthsr7113 iirc, the vanilla GM is actually faster and lighter than the RX-78-2. That means that an ace pilot would probably be better off in GM than an og Gundam(no magnetic coating) as long as he mastered dodging and the use of its shield.

[@vit968]

@@seawind930 They're ok. Too much bright colors sometimes. Prefer camo.

[@Freshtildeath]

Guy with the Zeon Tattoo at the Panel: "They were completely justified taking such drastic measures, the Feds did worse."

[@spammyv]

My perfect, infallible brand of contolism has never been tried.

[@cooldud7071]

Literally. Considering the idea is literally just "people should live in space" and "people should be independent from the earth federation" it is incredibly vague. It just so happened to be used by evil people to justify doing evil things, but the ideas of independence and space living aren't inherently evil.

[@soedirmanfighter5319]

Contol means Penis in Indonesian

[@soedirmanfighter5319]

Since Contol means Penis, then Zeonist ( lol ) are really bunch of dickheads.

[@Nx57ytre]

Zeon didn't kill those people, it was the force of gravity.

[@fredleggett923]

It depresses me to think I'm old enough to remember when our favorite space Nazis were called "Jion". Tomino told you guys Zeon were the bad guys from the outset. Didn't y'all listen?

[@tanith117]

I see a trend everywhere I look where the more people write villains, the more sympathetic they become over time. And the more people write heroes, the more they can get slightly edgier and edgier.

[@fredleggett923]

@@tanith117 Makes me wonder what the current state of Gundam is. Have they turned Amuro into a mass-murderer and made Char out to be a heroic freedom-fighter? I'm a little afraid to investigate.

[@tanith117]

@@fredleggett923 If I remember right Amaro is still the hero, but Char is basicly opps I genocided again, sorry just want humanity to all go to space.

[@NIXproductions]

@@fredleggett923 I mean... Amuro does do some brutal (probably unnecessary) killing but he doesn't enjoy it. He's visibly shown to be bothered by it. Char on the other hand will stab you in the back, kill everyone you love and just wink at the camera with a smile on his face... He's seriously a lunatic now. Honestly Origin made Char out to be more of a psychopath than he already was. Like it feels like MSG and Zeta was his softer period and then CCA came around and Char woke back up to his youthful murderous side. I'm sure people like the Origin movies but I feel they damaged Char's character.

[@Love-Sensibility]

​​​​@@NIXproductions the last line hurt. They don't get Char at all

[@pauladam8443]

Wayne Gretzky once said "you miss 100% of the colonies you never drop."

[@kaihedgie1747]

This always bothered me because Tomino in his main Gundam works, despite writing these morally gray stories, always portrayed Zeon as the ultimate bad guy, full stop. He on no uncertain terms made sure to remind how villainous the faction was and what they were based on. But for whatever bizarre reason, every other director/author that worked on UC tried to paint Zeon a sympathetic light and even at times tried to make them look like the heroes despite the fact that, y'know, Tomino wrote them to be *Space Nazis* . Gihren even favorably compares himself to Hitler of all people

[@averagefilipino742]

*angrily looks on Unicorn author*

[@kaihedgie1747]

@@averagefilipino742 What a giant middle finger the Laplace Box was :U

[@averagefilipino742]

@@kaihedgie1747 oh that was the 2nd thing thay pissed me off, the first one was the author trying his best not to show he's a zeon sympathizer( literally impossible)

[@cooldud7071]

The whole point of Zeon is that its leaders are evil but the people in Zeon believe they are fighting for true independence, which they technically are. I believe this adds further to the moral grey area, you're supposed to wonder about the morality of the average Zeon soldier, rather than if the Zabis are justified in their mass murder of their own people for the aims of establishing more power (and technically independence).

[@joedatius]

I agree I think the whole aspect of Zeon being overly and clearly the ultimate evil actually heightens Gundam far more as morally grey stories of war especially when alot of the time that morally grey aspect and sympathizing comes from the characters but trying to make it out as "well both factions are equally bad" is just fucking stupid and equally as stupid as the people who try to paint WW2 in the same light

[@Busterdrag]

Zeon practical humor is the best. Colony Drops are SUCH classics.

[@Kira22558]

Gihren agree with ya.

[@Lulu-ex7fc]

KOU! *clusterbombs hospital* YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! *steals nuclear weapon* WHAT IT MEANS *lands mobile suit on last African rhino* TO HAVE IDEALS *bows before statue of murderous autocrat* TO FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM *steals colony* OF ALL SPACENOIDS *nukes fleet* YOU'RE JUST A CHILD *drops colony* YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A MAN *suckerpunches girlfriend* YOU'LL NEVER BE A NOBLE, MORAL MAN LIKE MYSELF! *suicide dives mobile armor into EFF ship after ceasefire has been called.* SIEG ZEON!

[@akumaten]

Nina and Gato deserve each other. They are both equally insane.

[@nicholas.e5158]

KOU WAS THE WORST GUNDAM PIOLT OF ALL TIME! Kamile Amauro Ray and even Shiro is miles ahead of that guy.

[@mechadeka]

@@nicholas.e5158 I mean yes, Kou just being an average Joe was kind of the point. It just didn't pay off as well as it did with Bernie.

[@benlex5672]

@@nicholas.e5158 Bruh he's an oldtype that hasn't graduated from the military academy. Amuro is one of the first new type and a mech nerd, Kamile is arguably the most powerful new type in human history and a mech nerd, and Shiro is a veteran pilot that has been flying fighters before OYW even started AND he can survive 120mm rounds flying by him at 0 distance like a crewmember from Warthunder can. I can't imagine myself flying a fighter jet 4 months into military academy let alone piloting the most powerful mech in the military. Honestly, I blame Nina and AE for appointing him as the Gundam pilot when EFF wanted Burning for that role.

[@Kai-ow9gi]

Like how he wiped out not only his father, but a good chunk of their space forces

[@tppcrpg6311]

This wasn't Zeon, true Zeon has never been tried.

[@bthsr7113]

That's the communism jo lik e. Zeon is based on fascists.

[@bruceloh7926]

This one got me real good

[@MrPikaGammer]

@@bthsr7113 They're the same thing, one just completely seizes your business and the other forces you to give them your business' revenue.

[@codyyoung5946]

@@MrPikaGammer "You don't understand, one shatters your knees the other your arms, there is nothing in common about them!"

[@neeklmamp4955]

@MrPika Gammer don’t worry Sri one give you brain cance the other cardiac arrest

[@strelok230]

Zeon: "We fight for the freedom and betterment of all spacenoids!" Majority of Space colonists: "Yeah no we're pretty happy honestly, stuff really isn't that bad right now." Zeon: "So you have chosen death?"

[@SudrianTales]

Closest would be: Colonies: Wow! You guys are so close to independence and this Zeon guy is pretty cool. Zeon: You'll support us in war? Colony: No, no desire t-wait, why is Zeon dead?! And what are you doing to our colony! Zeon: *inserts gas* correcting a mistake

[@akemisayaka8905]

"Why do earthnoids hate us?!"

[@137cloud]

Basically, being a normal citizen in Gundam universe sucks.

[@iHusk]

And people wonder why the Titans were so spicy.

[@SomeOne-ke6vq]

Before I actually watched any Gundam, I always thought it was just a show about big cool robots fighting. Always a Zaku vs a Tri-colored RX Gundam. In a sense, it's like the first time I watched Evangelion. Cool mecha designs, lots of horror.

[@PerfectlySaneLutheran]

The chad zeon enjoyer: zeon did nothing wrong. The virgin feddie simp: b-b-b-but muh war crimes! The chad zeon enjoyer: did i stutter? SIEG ZEON!

[@christopherdavidson17]

The more I learn about the UC, the more I realize that it has to be the hardest Gundam universe. No other universe has this level of carnage and warcrimes.

[@bamantioindrahidayat1165]

Wh40k: am i joke to you?

[@menschman1464]

@@bamantioindrahidayat1165they said hardest GUNDAM universe. Gundam has a series of spin off universes.

[@deece1482]

​@@bamantioindrahidayat1165 warhammer is gay

[@lucaleali022]

Well the Cosmic Era doesn't run short on warcrimes either (when Kira and his buddies aren't there to save the day anyway)

[@octosalias5785]

I don't think enough empahsis is placed that Char saved the universe from these pricks. Even though he became a bastard in the process.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

CCA was an awful take that was just designed to have Amuro and Char fight one last time. I call it Chars midlife crisis.

[@SudrianTales]

Char just wanted a mommy

[@neroidius6915]

@@SudrianTales and he finally got one only for Amuro to bang her

[@NonsenseFabricator]

If Char wasn't hot people would consider him a moustache twirling supervillain. "Nyehehe I'm going to end all life on Earth!" "why tho" "I've done an incredibly wicked thing."

[@octosalias5785]

@@NonsenseFabricator He is literally Magneto evil in Char's Counterattack, it kind of bothers me lol. But before all that he smashed the Zeon family

[@austinreed7343]

This is why the Zanscare Empire was created; people didn’t think THIS was evil enough.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Always been curious as to wtf was the plan without Earth. Are 0079 colonies self sustaining? Do they no longer need any resources from Earth? I know there are asteroid mining operations for fuel and other resources but what about flora and fauna? Soil? Just cloning and hydroponics? Surely making Earth no longer fit to sustain life wasn’t a good idea…

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

Tyrants like them and the Woke never rhink about the consequences, they only think about "Muh-Freedom" and "Muh-Equality"....

[@benlex5672]

They are mostly self-sustaining (each colony produces about 80% of the food they need but all are vegetable-based) and each side has dedicated farming colonies that fulfill most needs (most are in Side-5, such as Texas). However, Colonies are heavily dependent on Earth's cheap Minerals and materials (cuz space mining is extremely expensive unless you are on the Moon, which even then was 3-4 times more expensive than mining on Earth). The most important stuff Earth can provide at a very cheap cost would be fertilizers. But yeah making Earth no longer fit to sustain life isn't a good idea. Neither was destroying Side-5 to make bombs out of it.

[@orbgyaj]

Zeon's hypocrisy is too close to reality and how some people act 🙄

[@sadnargacuga3422]

Best timeline to see a lot of war crime

[@XNT-Shiyosa922X]

The mother and baby lair from Shamblo attack still haunts me till this day

[@celiovicenteribeirofilho9740]

This to me, is a shattering moment of dismay and showcases the full hypocrisy of Zeon. The Shamblo bypassed the Torrington base and targeted a civilian area, even with orders from the Kirks not to do so in order not to leave their comrades' rear exposed, only to massacre people who were unable to even flee from it. It wasn't collateral damage. It was intentional. That's why I nearly had an orgasm watching the Delta Plus obliterate even Garvey's ashes by blasting the cockpit of the Shamblo.

[@dimitrifreitas2981]

Zeon: its a prank bruh. THE PRANK:

[@defenestrationismyfavoriteword]

nothing says "the titans didn't go far enough" quite like listening to zeekwank for two nanoseconds

[@SoloWing88]

Best outfit, best suits, best goals.

[@Tamachii12]

The Titans were so dumb that they turned into the very same thing it was created to fight against and even joined forces with it's target...

[@defenestrationismyfavoriteword]

@@Tamachii12 that's exactly why they didn't go far enough for you see, if treachery is the way of the Titans, a knife in the back of Neo-Zeon and rejoining the Federation would be a forgone conclusion given enough time (and flanderization). also they didn't commit the crime of having a fanbase of wehraboos which is of course, the most unforgivable crime of all

[@Hy93Ri0n]

The only thing the Titans did wrong was lose

[@matthewwells9003]

Titans are just Zeon minus the compentency and moral complexity (among the rank and file troops anyway, both their leaders are inept psychos). Lead by a Spacenoid (who looks like Dracula), then taken over in a coup by a Jovian (DOUBLE Spacenoid), same poorly thought out plan of making Earth uninhabitable and forcing humanity into space, same over-reliance on dumb and impractical super weapons, same mono-eye mobile suits, same everything.

[@antitheist3206]

Nowhere in the Geneva Conventions did it say you can't use giant mechs to blow up space colonies. I checked.

[@solaireofastora5999]

Zeon really be looking at large objects in space and bet that they can top the last one

[@cykablyat9207]

How to basic : cause a least amount of war casualties by Zeon

[@hogfry]

Zeon! The definition of: "it's never a war crime the first time"

[@bthsr7113]

Except they keep doing the same thing.

[@baririzqullah5782]

Zeon: "Heheh, it's time for us to do some little trolling"

[@kiocat]

I really appreciate your song choice... kind of reminds me how some of the music in the Thunderbolt anime seemed a touch cheerful and ironic. Love it!

[@Solstng]

This is one of the most top tier meme videos around

[@durandal9956]

Bro... This reminds me how pretty much wars in gundam are as terrifying as ww2, and besides it mecha style battle, it's still saddening

[@bsquaredbundles]

Pretty sure that's the point of all Gundam stories: Giant robots = cool War = not cool bro

[@nicholas.e5158]

The only thing Zeon did wrong was loose -Uc0079

[@corporategunner5972]

*Zeon:* The fictional space facist faction that even makes others like the Helghast go: "Woah! That's a bit too far! Even for us."

[@shauqiharris2772]

I guess even someone like Hitler has standards when it comes to genocide.