Zephrys Experiments | Will Zephrys Always Find Lethal? | Saviors of Uldum Interactions

[@nyan1chicken321]

Zehprys needs to go to Dr Booms lab and complete some puzzles.

[@RustamStetzman]

or just watch the walkthrough

[@MrKoalabeere]

@@RustamStetzman that wouldn't help at all because it needs to be able to solve puzzles in general

[@Kytrion]

This is very good idea. Just some machine learning :D

[@elyesaoz7107]

Nyan Chicken its still a op card

[@NN-cr6gx]

It looks like the inquisitor King Krush was a coincidence, looking at the previous offerings it looks like the revive card (7 mana) just turns up very often.

[@jvbteixeira]

Was about to say that. She is just a good card for turns where your minions died.

[@snapvigne4483]

Yeah I agree. Maybe even if the opponent was at 30 life, Zephris would suggest the 7 mana legendary.

[@ivansanfourche4494]

I think it gives you this choice every turn some of your minions died

[@Tresor62KIN]

Also zephyrs offers fireball who also gives lethal so i dont know why it would offer 2 card for lethal

[@IEatYourSandwiches]

@@snapvigne4483 It suggests it as a tempo thing as well as for lethal.

[@Sandlchi]

Blizzard specifically stated that Zephyris only takes boardstate into account. Him not considering frozen or 0dmg minions is dissapointing, the rest was to be expected

[@CaiRobinson]

That was my understanding to, and I was surprized at how it treated frozen minions. But in general i've found it to be very useful. I'm even running it in my priest deck

[@zekkekeipa6521]

Even Whitemane pick was just because Zephyris offers it often when something died this turn.

[@danielhello9558]

I think this way it stops it being too overpowered

[@abdulmasaiev9024]

Just the board state? Can't be right. If you play him on turn 2 into an empty board, you always get 3 drops. Always the same ones, but specifically 3 drops. So he also has to look at mana. He should also look at health by the same token, but it seems he doesn't.

[@Sandlchi]

@@abdulmasaiev9024 well, board state, mana and hp. He doesnt consider any players hand or deck though

[@Haru-ym9fi]

Literally any board: Zephrys: K A B A L S H A D O W P R I E S T

[@Med1umentor]

Only because how OP it is. I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't suggest it on a board without 2 attack minions

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

Med1umentor Who needs silence if you can just overtake a useless minion.

[@ingotylkowski3668]

What about T I R I O N?

[@McTerrox]

dont forget whitemane

[@locroyal4400]

Melnyx even a 1/1 could win u the game xd

[@kradonurb8830]

Zephrys: The solution always is TIRION.

[@Rurike]

I mean its just kinda the perfect card most times i feel

[@Omugaru]

He just puts his faith in the light.

[@teddywebb6663]

Thats because playing him on 10 puts you at 8, and the best value card for 8 is tirion.

[@Nukepositive]

Or Ysera

[@kradonurb8830]

@@Nukepositive Ysera is Cost 9 so I don't think so, Because Zephrysis cost 2

[@ColorPrinter]

The King Krush revive one was a coincidence, considering inquisitor shows up a lot in lategame options like that. The actual lethal option it gave you there was Fireball + Hero Power.

[@agr0nianTV]

Well shoot he got both :P

[@kevokev4009]

One was by chance and one was the actual lethal

[@YamilKacem]

That lack of interaction with minions with 0 attack is the most stupid of them all

[@snapvigne4483]

the frozen 30/30 is very sad too... just a simple silence...

[@EebstertheGreat]

Blizzard is looking to fix this. Right now, Zephrys seems to totally ignore 0 attack minions on both sides of the board unless it's an enemy minion with Taunt. I do wonder how they didn't notice this.

[@AziSlays]

@@EebstertheGreat do you really think blizzard properly tests their cards before printing them?

[@wilms2328]

All three of you are bitter nobodies. They spent a lot of resources on making this card, yet you feel the need to ream them for the fringe scenarios in which they fell short. Praise the card for how great it already is, enjoy the game and be nice for a change, jeez.

[@Qatrebew]

Blizzard doesn’t need a random loser like you defending them. You think they Will be Sad for some critique?

[@hellcopterts8895]

Enemy Health: 30 Minion: 30/30 needs only to hit ONCE but its Frozen Zephrys: Here, take this Windfury, i am helping

[@ototrofamakaoslabeslenen9507]

XD

[@ridwansetiadi8393]

Player: "I don't want windfury !" Zephrys: "Ok, here's Tirion."

[@aaaa-ni9hc]

At 0:30 did Zeph "think" Windfury was lethal? It's possible it guessed that the Ancient One couldn't attack because it already attacked, since we know it doesn't understand freeze. I don't think I've ever seen Windfury in a non-lethal situation.

[@golternator333]

I think so.

[@romaing.1510]

Wow nice guess

[@DHDriedHamKim]

Ive seen windfury at turn 4 when a Rat Trap was triggered at turn 3 and was free to hit

[@cornelladyas1134]

I think it because Zephyrs always try to utilize as many mana as possible. So may be if Hysteria play Zephyrs until 0 mana left, he may offer him Silence. But I never test it yet.

[@Saposhiente]

I saw trump get offered the same three cards when he already had lethal on board

[@Techn0Fox]

Blizzard should definitely address a lot of these issues. The ones as basic as silencing a frozen minion for lethal and Bloodlust should've been taken into account already.

[@IEatYourSandwiches]

maybe you should just learn how the fucking card works and what it's capable of instead of complaining about what it can't do

[@sachadontcry]

The card took months to code, the developers explained it was a hard process. The expansion just came out, you shouldn't be whining for a fix on day 2

[@caster269]

Wrought Bedpan Blizzard specifically said it takes board state into account so these two situations should be accounted for by him. The others it makes sense why it didn’t work but there’s no reason why these two didn’t. Also, you don’t have to be a prick about it. Chill out.

[@TheDirk1141]

It really isn’t as simple as your suggesting. The code they already have is probably the best they will achieve and any changes to it could cause more issues.

[@stevethebarbarian9876]

That's irrational. The 0-attack thing was clearly a bug that makes Zephrys very considerably worse.

[@Flourish38]

The only ones in here that I would say aren't working as intended are the frozen ancient one and the 0-attack board. Those should probably be found, since all you have to do is look at the board state. For all the other ones, I'm pretty sure Zephrys isn't granted access to that information (I'm surprised that it found lethal with the resurrected king krush, since the preparation one would suggest that it doesn't have access to the history bar, which is what I would expect)

[@Ceracio]

I would imagine it was a fluke (the Whitemane/Krush one). Whitemane seems to be the go-to 7-drop that Zephrys gives, the same way Tirion is the go-to 8-drop.

[@aymonverheij1863]

i dont know if he even really found lethal with the king krush one since in the video he has offered the minion that summons the ones that died this turn alot

[@FreakieKaktus]

The one with King Krush might not be intended as well, given it offers you Whitemane when Minions die a lot, so could be total coincidence. I wonder if it would offer you Whitemane still with a living Krush against a giant with taunt.

[@iziauxeriumlol9824]

Since it works off of board state, I would argue the double discover from Brann should definitely discover two lava bursts, as Zephyrs (based on the board) should know there is another discover coming

[@gbm7690]

Zephrys also doesn't offer blessed champion. You can have a big windfury minion like siamat on board. Blessed champion is +12 damage but the ai doesn't offer it

[@WoWFtw8]

no end-vid music made me think my headset just broke down

[@SwampHeatRG]

Croma there was end-vid music, just really low volume.

[@serialkilleryo]

@@SwampHeatRG Very very low level. Perhaps a missclick ?

[@NOMATfull]

@@serialkilleryo screamer incoming

[@serialkilleryo]

@@NOMATfull Hello, little kitty 😍😍😍

[@ds9150]

HysteriA : "So here's the situatio..." Zephyrs : "here, take Cabal Shadow Priest"

[@Jhawks4LIFE]

Well i mean....Cabal Shadow Priest is pretty good...

[@XGardet]

You should try: your opponent has 5 health You have a 6/1 tirion on the board You play zeffiris and go to 0 mana, does it offer moonfire to kill the tirion to have lethal?

[@blueportal4932]

Uuuuh i like that

[@אלעדאלפסי-פ3ב]

I dont think so

[@DonutMaster56]

XGardet Hopefully Tirion doesn’t get divine shield back

[@brennanweiss4135]

He probably offers moonfire by coincidence since he doesn’t care about special minion effects as seen in the brann clip, which probably includes deathrattles.

[@jzizka]

or 0 mana priest Silence card would do the same. Even on greater taunt.

[@wasylbasyl]

Zephrys doesn't look at your or your oponent hand and deck, only on board, so it's really disappointing they couldn't taught him about frozen minions and 0 attack minions. (I think I know why - if Zephrys does not see green border around minion he thinks it can't attack, was played this turn or something)

[@Cheemsburger21]

Dobrze prawisz towarzyszu

[@bickflick]

Randomowy Kowalski To code the card based on visual would be very strange indeed. Even stranger when we know even 0-attack cards aren’t considered exhausted for example, because they can be buffed and attack on the same turn (barring the turn they are summoned and actually are exhausted).

[@ShadowmancerLord]

It's 100% a bug, they specificslly brought up the frozen minion/silence situation in a previous interview so it definitely should work that way

[@dicemm5544]

Oh, maybe that's it. I hope Blizz does do something about the Freeze and the 0 attack, I assume your explaination of the green border is also why it doesn't offer silence.

[@kutyamen]

0 attack one is easy, they likely tuned down how important the card considers 0 attack minions, likely because it was suggesting Crazed Alchemist or cards that made your own ones able to attack to the detriment of other choices(vs Doomsayer is probably hardcoded though, similar to Jaraxxus). This overall makes sense, but can lead to interactions where it will miss lethal. Freeze is harder to explain, but it might be they similarly turned down Freeze's importance, as it may have suggested Icicle too often(or silences for your own minions). In both scenarios they likely need to include fixes where the value should raise for those if it is possible lethal.(as if that is indeed the case, the basic idea behind their lowered priority still holds)

[@dnssrg]

Devs said that Zephrys doesn't look what cards are in your hand (whether they have discount or not) so he can't help you in case of preparation

[@BunniBuu]

prep wasn't in his hand, though. it was active and already played BEFORE zephrys :P def something worth testing

[@hunter_michelie4425]

@@BunniBuu Zephrys considers the base cost of a card to determine if it will give you a solution that turn. As a result, all Cost reduction (active or otherwise) will be overlooked

[@1Crivella]

@@hunter_michelie4425 Yeah but why? If they say it should always offer you lethal than it should. An active cost reduction is information that should be available to zephyrs

[@matthewtaylor2890]

@@1Crivella cost reduction is considered information "in the hand" because it only affects your hand, that's why zephrys doesn't look at it

[@Korinengamecorp]

@@1Crivella Préparation does not affect the board, therefore, Zephrys doesn't know that a préparion is in play

[@oHeatoNo]

Poor Lord Jaraxxus, he was already the unloved, but now he gets burried 6 feet under... :(

[@rorre1650]

that's really true. I guess Blizzard wants him to be 'last chance card', and therefore it is playable only when any other hope is busted... or if you control the board really hardly, as to say against CW, who doesn't have any smork minions. Also its classic set. IDK tho why Edwin is still so broken while Jaraxxus became almost unplayable...

[@cedricgiraud2679]

The part with King Krush is a misinterpretation, Zephrys just propose this choice because minion(s) are dead, there is no link with lethal

[@tommyhui67]

The way to make it perfect is by using deep learning AI

[@mutzikatzi1]

I really hope that blizzard slowly updates Zephrys AI. So that he learns everytime, what people pick.

[@mattguy4140]

I don't think Zephrys can give you lethal, but rather something that can help you in the following turn/in the long run. On an empty board, for example, he gave you a Pyroblast to use next turn, but not a Fireball to use on the same turn. In the same situation, but with Prep active, he did not give you the Pyroblast because that would have won you the match during the same turn it was played. I think this is how he works, and that the Sacrificial Pact one was kind of a fizzle on his part. I would say it gave you the card meaning to deal with the Infernals later, but for some reason did not register that Jaraxxus would also be affected.

[@kyleedwards4903]

He can and will give you lethal if he spots it. Everytime i've seen a possible lethal, Zephrys has offered it. He has given me fireballs, bloodlusts and more, all perfect same turn lethals. Although i had an enemy at 5hp with a taunt, and i had a 6/6 on board and he gave me a destroy a taunt, which i was surprised by as either lava burst or fireball would have also been lethal but weren't offered

[@kyleedwards4903]

He will always offer sac pact against jaraxxus, because it is always the perfect card.

[@UltraMax1]

Blizzard, look at this video and fix this ALL. This is my wish,maybe Zephrys fulfill this)

[@НикитаМишенин-э9ы]

Technically there is nothing broken in there.

[@raptorwithwings]

Once this comment has 30 replies with no duplicates, it shall be granted. That’s how this works.

[@UltraMax1]

@@НикитаМишенин-э9ы Blizzard text in Zephrys that he always give u BEST card .What can be better than lethal?I dont think that miss lethal is better.So yes,this card is broken bc this card dont give u what is written on it

[@UltraMax1]

@@raptorwithwings good joke xd i like it)

[@UltraMax1]

@@raptorwithwings someone can joke and copy his comment twice

[@tsundude4320]

Me: Can zephyrs find lethal blizzard? Blizzard: well yes, but actually no

[@remyllebeau77]

Maybe if you narrow down the options by having just the right amount of mana, then maybe it would work better.

[@ducleminh46]

playing zephrys is easy, but knowing how to play zephrys is a different story

[@crimts]

Zephrys: *exists* Hysteria: I am about to end this man’s whole career

[@brontesenth]

He can only give you Classic Cards from Standard. So he can't get Naturalize, or Cold Light Oracle for fatigue lethal. He can't find Sylvanus or Ragnaros or Ice Block either.

[@mechathunandthecultofdeath4958]

*FOR A HANDFUL OF THESE, SPECIFIC MANA THRESH-HOLDS ARE REQUIRED TO NARROW DOWN YOUR WISH.*

[@nunosantos4217]

thats tech the players found, in reality Zephrys is supposed to just find it. If a 2 mana card gives you lethal, it gives you lethal regardless if you're at 8 mana or 2 mana. its a malfunction on the card not something that should be necessary to happen

[@ramonestefano]

Some of those misses were granted. For example, the issue with the Ancient One, I believe, is due to the fact the card pool is limited to "interesting cards". I believe it doesn't have silence or Spellbreaker in it, although I did get Mass Dispel for Lethal once (in which case, I believe it was not trying to give me lethal; Mass Dispel was good in that situation regardless). As for the cards in deck, I believe it was revealed that it would only take into account your hand size (NOT THE CARDS IN HAND), the board, the health, total mana, leftover mana, etc. The deck would be ignored, which is why it also ignored fatigue. As for Brann, again, it looks at the game state, meaning every time you would play Zephrys in a specific board state, it would always present you the same 3 choices.

[@fosso8803]

But that is bs it should be able to find Silence lethal

[@ramonestefano]

@@fosso8803 it doesn't have the card in the pool to give

[@fosso8803]

@@ramonestefano But it should

[@alicetheaxolotl]

@@ramonestefano Silence is in the pool. I think the reason the frozen Ancient One didn't work is it doesn't think of silencing your own minion for lethal (although it still should take that into consideration)

[@ramonestefano]

@@alicetheaxolotl cool. I didn't know it was an option.

[@creepybirdy]

3:50 i think the lethal zephrys was giving you was the fireball, whitemane seems to be the minion he gives you when you have 7 mana

[@timotheebrasseur2539]

I would say 7 mana and at least one frendly minion died this turn

[@creepybirdy]

@@timotheebrasseur2539 i dont know if zephrys actually takes a minion dying into consideration as he only looks at the current boardstate, i have been playing a lot of zephrys, and whitemane shows up alot at 7 mana even when you play zephrys as the first thing on your turn

[@mawillix2018]

@@creepybirdy For me it's Baron Geddon. But not only on 7. I was offered Baron Geddon even when I playes him on turn 3... It keeps offering me Baron Geddon, what should I do?

[@listlessh]

To be honest I like that Zephrys isn't always a perfect find. For a few reasons. 1. It would be way busted if it gave you the exact perfect card in every scenario. 2. It replicates some of the flavor of "wish" mechanics in old roguelikes/RPGs, where you need to be extremely specific with your wish, or you may end up with something unexpected (see: ADOM) 3. It makes using Zephrys take a bit more knowledge and skill - only people who watch HysteriA will know how to avoid theses problems ;)

[@christophercatoe3410]

Zephrys only has "public" information with no context at all. He knows your health,your weapon, your opponents health, their weapon, any minions on board, and their stats/abilities, and your mana. He doesn't know either hand, cards left in your deck, active spell effects, anything about the history bar, or anything about your opponents hand. He basically waltz on in without ever paying attention to anything that has happened before, and gives you a convenient card for your situation.

[@yisong6665]

From my understanding , the cards that Zephyrs gives you are decided by players data and Blizzard’s understanding of the card. Most silences are used on taunt and death rattle enemies rather than friendly minions. Although inquisitor is a new card and the samples of this card are little, blizzard believes it is good for late game. For the low play rate cards in the classic set, zephyrs is unlikely to give them to you even if that’s the only lethal option in your turn.

[@Sephsplaces]

1:54 that actually was liethal offered as you had a 5/2 weapon equiped

[@MrVPTino17]

oh shit

[@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIPKIIIIIIIIIIIIII]

What you talking about... The second was the working example... It's the first example which he was showing. 10 seconds before it...

[@stevanhaire5300]

@@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIPKIIIIIIIIIIIIII the Pyroblast wasn't offered, Zephrys offered the Lava Burst/Fire Ball because the rogue had 5 damage on the board and his opponent was at 10 hp

[@Sephsplaces]

@@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIPKIIIIIIIIIIIIII this whole video is about not being offered lethal, which he was on that example. I'm not saying the bug isn't there, I'm saying lethal option was offered

[@icymeow3417]

I love your channel for testing the waters in hearthstone, making random yet fun and entertaining videos.

[@edouardlhuisset7146]

The machine doesn't beat the human,let us choose the perfect card.

[@dusanristic4564]

Im 12 and this is deep 😔

[@tipoima]

Imagine making the interface for that tho. Especially on mobile. Too much work for a single card

[@caster269]

The UI would probably be convoluted and overwhelming, especially on mobile. Also, Blizzard doesn’t really print cards that aren’t understandable by new players. If an inexperienced player played it they probably won’t know what to look for and would be overwhelmed by the options. This is likely why we’ve never seen more than 5 choices displayed at once on a card.

[@ShadowMasterBearer]

Just make it have a textbox appear, and you literally wish for the card

[@EebstertheGreat]

@@ShadowMasterBearer For that to work, you would have to know the name of the card you want. The advantage of this system is that new players who don't know many cards can still find good stuff. But a bigger problem is that it would probably just be imbalanced. Zephrys is only looking for options that look good for the current or next turn. You can't just play it on turn 2 and grab a card that will be critical to your deck or the matchup down the line. If you could, it would be far, far more powerful.

[@sibu1234567]

To my memory kripp says you have to set up the board and mana for lethal. Like purposely having no mana so silence comes up as one of the options

[@annong000]

I wonder what Zephyrs could be with something like deep learning. Say that Zephyrs gives random discovers. And every time Zephyrs is played on online matchups, players could give either positive/negative feedback for Zephyrs. Then the situation of the event and the optimal card is recorded. Zephyrs played thereafter could refer to those records and minimize the scope of optimal cards, eliminating those that got the most negative feedbacks. And some months of training later, Zephyrs may give some perfect cards! I know this is quite unrealistic but.. would be fun if this becomes true

[@Vplayer_]

And troll may suggest wrong card/ or aproves when he miss lethal

[@Anon_Spartan]

Day one craft OMEGALUL

[@remyllebeau77]

Or you can just open one like I did. :) Although I didn't like most of the other legendaries that I got. Can't get everything I guess.

[@remyllebeau77]

@@Elsier1 I got Vessina, Paladin quest, Colossus, Zephrys, Rogue quest, Elise, Armegedillo, and Mage quest.

[@douglaslopes5913]

I just got two quests :/ priest and druid, but I dont have the dust for either of decks

[@antman7673]

Also Zephrys is not handing out silence against doomsayer.

[@golternator333]

He does not understand doomsayers ability

[@romaing.1510]

@@golternator333 the game knows alchemist is a hard counter to doomsayer

[@golternator333]

@@romaing.1510 well, that might be true. If it is, then it's a niche example of hard coding.

[@stevenhart6788]

@@golternator333 I think Zephyrs relies almost entirely upon hard coding with the use of buckets, which explains most of the "failures" in this video.

[@ViniciusVZR]

He doesn't look at the cards you casted or in your hand, he checks the board, enemy's life total and your mana i think

[@someoneidk3995]

Yes. And your hand size

[@Elcaballerodesigilo]

Hearthstone dev: Zephyr will always find the perfect card. Hysteria: I'm about to end this mans whole career.

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

Zephry can’t value mana as well. If clearing with a consecration is possible he won’t consider and instead pick flamestrike if you use him at 10 mana.

[@MyCrazySideYT]

You can't just play Zephrys and expect him to give you something you want. You have to 'nudge' him in the right direction, by leaving enough mana for a specific card, since filling the curve matters a lot to him (maybe too much even)

[@mawillix2018]

Zephrys is supposed to be hard coded to always offer lethal.

[@someoneidk3995]

@@mawillix2018 That is not true. He is hard coded to give you an OBVIOUS lethal. He isn't supposed to be as intelligent as a regular player that knows very specific niche interactions.

[@mawillix2018]

Crazy Actually, other than not being able to account for a lot of things, he does offer you non-obvious lethal, such as now, after the patch, silencing your own frozen minions to let them attack. What I meant with him being hard coded to offer lethal is the same thing blizzard meant. If there is a lethal (that he can see), even if it requires offering an option that normally wouldn't be offered, he'll offer it. This "'nudge' him in the right direction" is a thing when you're not going for lethal, or when accounting for specific cards he can't account for. "You can't just play Zephrys and expect him to give you something you want." Is not true when going for lethal. (Again, unless we're talking about very specific interactions that he simultaneously can't account for, and where you by nudging him can still get the card you want.)

[@someoneidk3995]

@@mawillix2018 Oh that's cool. I in a that patch went live. I was thinking about how everyone wants to find the very very Niche interactions (Like the Prep into Pyro play, or the Elven archer Fatigue Play) Things like Frozen Minions are pretty Obvious as you can simply see them, do I do support and am happy that they changed that and 0 Attack minions. My basiv rule for Zephyrs IMO: Can you see it on board? He probably sees it too.

[@mawillix2018]

@@someoneidk3995 In my original response that's the lethals I was referring to. I took the stance that it's on Blizzard to make sure that silencing your minions, and using 0 attack minions is a thing he can do, as the OP's comment suggests that it's on the player to find lethal, despite his bugs. I still stand by that stance now, and now Blizzard has fixed many such interactions. (Even Mass Dispel into attack works now, In the past there was multiple times when I needed it and he didn't offer it.)

[@DenkiRay]

You wish Blizzard would take in consideration every posibility like it should be. Like, the card should work with frozen minions but I guess those doesn't matter, right?

[@erwinmatys]

well it did technically give you lethal you had a 5/2 weapon so lava burst is lethal

[@alejandrom.]

Not enough mana.

[@hnicholson999]

Alejandro M. He had 8 mana

[@alejandrom.]

@@hnicholson999 He only had 6 mana.

[@FluxstyleProductions]

@@batoney8214 And arcanite reaper costs 5. So together that would cost 8

[@TorneraFoda]

@@FluxstyleProductions 6-8=-2

[@Conqueror933]

dang this was enjoyable, was waiting for you to test Zephyrs! also the music was amazingly fitting somehow

[@LemurG]

So it seems that Zephyrs will only give you cards that will directly find lethal (a fireball if the enemy hero is at 6 hp) but not cards that will indirectly find lethal (giving you a silence to allow the 30/30 to attack the enemy face).

[@kyleedwards4903]

I had a shaman at 5hp with a taunt. I had a 6/6 on board, it offered a black knight to destroy the taunt, when it could have offered lava burst or fireball for direct lethal. Still lethal, but vaguely indirect

[@LemurG]

Kyle Edwards huh, so maybe it can give kinda indirect lethals!

[@Cuestrupaster]

Some of them are so obvious since it doesn't look at your hand your opponent's neither at the decks...

[@rodrigonalos852]

It gave you pyroblast multiple times throughout the video, so maybes it was a matter of luck with the rogue one?

[@tommasoaiello2593]

Zephyr make a choice looking at both heroes healths, number of cards in both hands and in both decks he can’t see your and enemies cards you have to put zephrys in a situation when the lethal is obviusly

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

Tommaso Aiello That sounds far from perfect card

[@someoneidk3995]

@@Definitely_Melnyx So the perfect card for you is a Super computer? Sorry, but Zephrys isn't supposed to be an HS player's Big Brain as an in game card.

[@listlessh]

Also I've always loved how the card entrance sounds played over the music track in these videos makes it sound like some sweet Hearthstone techno mix.

[@Fatamerican101]

I'd be interested to see you using a hero power or something before playing Zephrys. Do you think that'll direct his searches to look for "lethal" at the lower cost cards that we wanted to use (like looking for bloodlust around 4:30)?

[@GaiaDblade]

It seems Zephrys has a 'pool' of cards to discover from, and assigns each card in that pool certain triggers for when they will show up in the discover.

[@stevenhart6788]

The comments do a pretty good job distinguishing those who think like a programmer from those who don't.

[@Jabooduable]

Yo people, blizzard never said that he would find every perfect solution to every problem. They legit said he would just be a bit of help. Hell the card itself literally says its a suggestion. None of these are bugs either.

[@Xeni0sWatch]

This video was amazing, I would like to watch another like this one

[@pastachief385]

You’re using him wrong, he doesn’t read your hand. If you had attacked with the weapon he gave at 2:25 he would’ve seen lethal with fireball Zeph only takes into account the health of both heroes and the state of the board, not your hand

[@linalessing1354]

bro he had only 6 mana left so the only lethal possible was double lava burst

[@kingali6963]

He will not pay attention to what you have in your hand, it depends only on: The servants on the board, the opposing class and your remaining mana crystals and only card from the classic game (Google trad)

[@alphadevilll]

No need to overestimate this card. It sometimes just gives you some preprogrammed cards for certain situations. Otherwise it gives tirion, Pyro or random generation cards.

[@icecrownpoint]

About Brann + Zephyr. He could give you Preparation + Pyroblast, so check is a bit incorrect. (Also, Zephyr doesn' t even look at hand or deck of player)

[@kepo6314]

I was waiting for this video 😁

[@ThLorax]

The 0 attack minion one is confirmed a bug and will be fixed. They said something about it on reddit.

[@konkous1]

They should repair the one with silence and bloodlust and maybe one with preparation, but others are ok.

[@alicetheaxolotl]

Preparation interaction isn't broken. Zephrys uses base cost for calculations. The other two, I agree those should've given lethal.

[@konkous1]

@@alicetheaxolotl Ok, I wasn't sure if it is wrong.

[@grelgen]

4:12 i think that might be a fluke, she was offered in several of your previous attempts

[@PeterZaitcev]

Blizzard said he never looks in hand or deck, so he would never see these bombs

[@SaerosExire]

There is a lot to improve on zephrys so lets try to list the interactions in one post: 1- As other people have written, the ones that should spot lethal are the frozen minion on board and the zero attack minions, sice the dev stated that Zephrys do consider board state, not hand or deck 2- However the King Krush resurrection seems coincidence rather than spoting lethal, since it pops up quite a lot as just a value 7 drop. 3- The prep pyroblast also seems wierd, by Blizzard statement, Zephrys don't consider hand cards (nor hand buffs, even though is "active" it affects your hand and Zephrys considers base mana cost) however I don't understand why on other occations it gave Pyroblast even when HisteriA didn't have the mana either... it seems like it just gives pyroblast at random sometimes for a later turn.

[@someoneidk3995]

It gave Pyroblast because it would be lethal NEXT TURN. It will either give you something to play This turn or next turn, preferring the former.

[@Erkbet]

A very versatile card that fits in almost every deck: it may not be perfect, but can really help sometimes.

[@stoyanstoyanov3245]

My guess is that he makes no difference between a frozen minion, a sleeping/already attacked minion, can't attack minion and a 0 attack minion. it treats all of these as "cant attack" or maybe "already attacked". this is why instead of a silence, it offered a windfury- to attack again. perhaps this is because it would need to take into consideration if the attack is due to the high stats of the minion or because of buffs that it might silence and lower the attack.i wonder if you have a huge health, 0 attack minion (not more!), would it offer inner fire for lethal. and would it offer divine spirit if you have a lightspawn on the board?

[@C454D]

Last one I feel would of been better to use a coldlight oracles for demonstration purposes instead of elven archer with brann on an acolyte as the requite is that the opponent must draw 2 cards to insure drawing the bombs. However as others pointed out, Zephy doesn't get access to that information. So remember: "your wish is my suggestion" is quite accurate. However if he isn't offering fireball all the time when the opponent is at 6 life then there will be issues!

[@thenicollas]

Zephrys need to watchs this video

[@literatemax]

He doesn't look at WHICH cards are in your hand, just how many you have.

[@keenanj7331]

Maybe this is giving blizzard more credit than they deserve but I think the fact that zephrys doesn’t find lethal always is a way to make it more fair an balanced.

[@anonym3967]

A way to make fireball more fair and balanced would be to sometimes have it bug out and not do its damage.. I would not give them credit for that if it happened though

[@alicetheaxolotl]

No, people just don't understand how it works. The frozen Ancient One and 0 attack Bloodlust should've worked, but all the others worked exactly as intended.

[@krauser3806]

I like how Zephrys suggests Ooze alongside pact against Jaraxxus as a possible bm option.

[@Robert-jy9jm]

Amazing video! Superb!

[@alexstarseeker8693]

If you wind fury a frozen minion it will be able to attack once. Freeze only freezes "the next attack" of the target. If the attacker has 2 attacks and is frozen, it wil attack once.

[@utk946]

this is not true bud

[@atChinome]

1:54 : on this spot he didn't missed lethal as he proposed lava burst and fireball while you had a 5 attack weapon (but y he did in the first try)

[@SuperJinx10]

I think it suggest three things always: 1st card Tempo 2nd card Perfect card/removal 3rd card Combo with your minions/Tirion XD

[@beepy6161]

1:50 lava burst plus 5/2 weapon is lethal

[@lordnemurirus6163]

I think that you need the exact amount of mana to find the perfect lethal. I saw a tutorial to Kripp as you could have high chances to activate Zephrys in the best moment before the lethal. And to be honest,I'm playing a golden one (got from pre-purchace),and every single time he found a fireball,a savage roar,a masa dispell etc. I don't think that could be so unlucky at discovering. But tnx anyway for the video,was pretty helpful.

[@Toyecaze]

Could you check the interaction with kalecgos on board pls? Im curious to see if zephrys takes for account the spell mana reduction from the minions ( can be made with apprenti sorcerer and radiant element too ) Thanks a lot and great video as always

[@stephenburley4581]

You should try in wild, to see if Zephrys can find a 50/50 lethal when you already have Crackle in hand. You should try in wild to see if Zephrys can find a 50/50 lethal buffing an ogre to attack past a taunt minion. You should try and see if Zephrys can find 50/50 Knife Juggler lethal by discovering a 0 mana minion.

[@someoneidk3995]

It know nothing about what is in your hanf. The only information it can see is Board effects and both players Health, as well as Hand size.

[@velikiykhadgar251]

But Zephrys don't look inside both players decks

[@oscarvanderlek3549]

Does zephrys detect can't be targeted by spells or hero power?

[@anarchistlilia]

Can ıt find with 6 mogo cultist (faceless maniplator)

[@andrehallqvist449]

Faceless does not activate the battlecry of the minion it copies, and you wont be able to play it with zephyrs taking the 7th slot anyways.

[@anarchistlilia]

@@andrehallqvist449 oow ok ı forget it hsd battlecry

[@elanromaine183]

Yo hysteria you need to do this again for some of these experiments . You have to minimise the chance of the algorithm to prioritise, e.g on 8 it will usuall give you cable or tirion and will prioritise that instead of silencing ancient, however on 0 mana he will be more likely to fish out a silence

[@Elnikoangel66]

I think you have to give him more info, for example in the 0 attack board, play him at 7 mana so you may have more chances for bloodlust to appear with 5 mana left

[@Perling]

Zephrys will change depending on remaining mana after its played. E.g. if you played him with all those minions on the board so that 5 or 6 mana would have been remaining, it would have offered Bloodlust for sure. It's far from giving perfect cards at all times, but if you know what you're getting at what mana pool, it's a damn fine/fun card to play :)

[@innapetkova8736]

the first one with the frozen ancient one he didn't give u silence because u already had it in your hand

[@picapaubiruta123]

Zephyris is the new funnel cake vendor K A B A L S H A D O W P R I E S T

[@TheKitsunefire]

I'm pretty sure if you already have lethal in your hand, that Zephrys won't find an "additional" lethal setup. Just a value play, because you should have already realized you had lethal. I think the most interesting part was when you used Preparation, and didn't discover Pyroblast, I guess it doesn't take additional game states into the interaction.

[@shadowdreampaul]

you actually don't know how zephyr works....zephyr looks at the board state, how many minions you and your opponent have in play, how many cards you and your opponent have in your deck and how many cards you and your opponent have in hand, nothing else nothing more, it doesn't look if you have already 5 dmg in hand (for example) so it can give you 5 more if your opponent has 10 hs and it doesn't look for active effects like preperation or spell damage.

[@pstb5]

5:13 I like how he offer edwin due to mana cost and card can be played/was played.

[@konkous1]

I saw somewhere that he offers massdisspell against taunts, so that is good.

[@KyleAlexJohn]

It seems like, more than anything in particular, blizzard only included a certain selection of cards in his pool to draw from, and which ones you get are based on any previously established conditions.

[@Definitely_Melnyx]

Kyle J I feel the same. He doesn’t check your hand nor is he mana efficient.

[@someoneidk3995]

@@Definitely_Melnyx He does check for mana

[@Al3nb]

Zephrys dont see cards in your hand, he know only class of cards

[@Vplayer_]

He could at least know key-word like taunt, lifesteal, etc. To give hand buff for this cards

[@lucaparise6394]

Actually he doesn't even recognize the 'immune' effect. I lost a game because my opponent was at 3 life with Mal'Ganis on board and I had Gul'Dan's hero power active. Instead of gave me sacrificial pact, he proposed me fireball and other direct damage, so I only managed to kill Mal'Ganis and the turn after my opponent's topdeck was just Reno Jackson with the consequence victory of the game.

[@cp0bo593]

Plot twist: Zephrys do not give you lethal card because you already have it in your hand.

[@MrLilandro]

Seems like you not read note for Zephrys: he do not know anything about both players deck, he know some situation answeres + your current and total mana + size of your hand. Blizzard say it in same say as present him. All you test (know Zephys any players deck?) is failed from idea. Only one realy missed lethal: zero attack minions and it is in machine logic: they can't attack. But true fail for genie.

[@samsteffens5702]

I also feel like it doesn't give you mass dispel when you want it, (i had 2 giants that could go face for lethal but there were 4 annoyotrons but mass dispel did not show up

[@fosso8803]

Thijs had the same problem

[@someoneidk3995]

It should see them now

[@DEFRaven]

Idk why the 0 attack didnt work. Board full of minions, no opponent minions, all of your minions yet to attack, you would think that savage roar or bloodlust would be offered

[@edwardness7497]

Zephyrs watches you from the hand miss lethal with King Krush... surprised he even bothered...