Zero Time Dilemma OST: BGM 39 ~Interminable Dilemma~ [CQD END 2/Payoff]

[@YuichiOtonashi]

I wish the epilogues were shown to us instead of being hidden in the cinema files with just text. I didn't even know they were there till I went back to listen to the songs lol.

[@toxagen1144]

thank you for the comment 8 years ago. Because I didn't even know there were epilogues until I saw this comment.

[@aplays7639]

I might be 9 years late to the series (nice) but I'm so glad to have been able to experience it

[@macheooo]

I get you man, I also played this game almost two years ago and I still can't get it out of my head

[@baptix-objectionlol592]

@@macheooo 4/5 years ago and I still can't get it out of my head too

[@macheooo]

@@baptix-objectionlol592 I still listen to the soundtracks to this day

[@baptix-objectionlol592]

@@macheooo you're not alone I have become addicted to it

[@macheooo]

@@baptix-objectionlol592 happy to hear I am not the only one

[@TheTrueBro]

When I heard that Morphogenetic Sorrow section I cried

[@UneclipsedGamer]

The True Bro yes! I really feel like this game gets way too much hate.

[@tomwatts703]

1:46 - 2:13 still messes me up to this day, what a soundtrack ZTD has

[@IschmarVI]

maybe this was all part of the snail's plan.

[@steez4778]

Life is simply unfair

[@Anikinoro]

@@steez4778 don't you think?

[@plightshift]

that snail got some absolute bangers composed for its video game trilogy

[@lewisgranadeno9314]

You’re right.

[@JoaoVitor-ge1uo]

Delta was just training them so they could save the future. He managed to get 2 billion people live when everybody would die, and later created a timeline where the whole mankind will be saved(and unintentionally made Junpei and Akane engage too). Delta is the real MVP.

[@ravus9935]

Then is Free the Soul even a crazy religious organization? Or was he just using that as his excuse for releasing Radical-6 instead of just joining Crash Keys or something?

[@mechashadow]

Why would these 8 people what the whole organisation of Free The Soul be unable to?

[@ravus9935]

+mechashadow Yeah

[@Schinak]

Free the Soul was just a tool. Without Free The Soul there would be no Dio to fuck things up in VLR and enable the Shifters from there to come to the ZTD history. Every single history, every death, it was all a tool to use and dispose of to create THIS history where humanity will be saved.

[@mechashadow]

+Schinak a much better tool than 8 ppl. Hell, Zero was trying to discover way more shifters in the first place..

[@SuperShesh2]

2:40-3:03 Why do I love this little tune so much ;_;

[@darlingana9249]

Because it's Morphogenetic Sorrow maybe? Lol, it's an iconic tune, I'll give you that.

[@prohacker2909]

Cuz it's da morphogenetic sorrow

[@n_p_]

Man, what a game this was... I teared up during these credits. Amazing ending.

[@jeremywright9511]

Its so so sad that this is the last game. So well written.

[@xBlueBugx]

+Jeremy Wright I feel like the game gave us enough for a sequel hook, but given the struggle to get even this game out, it may not come. I wish this series was more popular and not overshadowed by Danganronpa.

[@n_p_]

Uchikoshi said in a review that "if there are still fans requesting, I can not deny that there will not be new incidents arriving either". I'm definitely all in for another ride if they can somehow make it happen, but I'm also fine with it ending here. Or maybe he's not referring to a direct sequel at all, like maybe a spin-off game or something. In any case, I'm definitely playing Uchikoshi's future projects anyway, so it might not even matter in the end. And what comes to Danganronpa... Well, I played the fan translation about two years ago (jesus, time goes fast) and I really liked the game! Although it was a bit too anime for my taste, it had really fun and creative mysteries and a lot more gameplay (pacing was good also). But now that the fanbase has grown immensely, I've kind of lost my interest. I don't know why fandoms turn me off so bad, but it's a genuine thing that happens. I think I'll play Danganronpa 3 if it comes out on PC, but I'm not as hyped about it as I was seven months ago.

[@xBlueBugx]

+Twirkkhu I love Danganronpa games too I just wish people would give Zero Escape a chance, although I do not want it to be mainstream.

[@sk8erboi6574]

+Twirkkhu Have you tried his Infinity series? I've heard it was good but I've yet to try it myself.

[@MFMegaZeroX7]

This is a version of the credits that plays after the true ending. Ending title: Payoff 2 (also known as CQD-END:2)

[@SkyHakym]

2:40 Morphogenetic Sorrow 3:32 Blue Bird Lamentation We can debate about Zero Time Dilemma's story all we like, but you have to agree that this song is such a lovely song to end the series on. I wouldn't have the final credits theme any other way. I feel like if the animation for the game was more spectacular, we could SEE the scenes in the archives animated in the background of the credits... I don't want to just read everyone's happy ending... I wanted to SEE Maria strolling on the beach, Akane and Junpei making wedding plans, Sean breaking Mira out (even though I'm not a fan of Q-Team)... but no. Life is simply unfair. I'm waiting for the year 2028 when people will get into the files of the game and reanimate it into a beautiful game. As for the story... debates will go on and on for a while...

[@fllthdcrb]

Actually, 3:32 is another part of the "Morphogenetic Sorrow" theme. I can't hear any melodic resemblance between it and "Blue Bird Lamentation".

[@SkyHakym]

Daniel Dawson Yeah I messed up, listening to it again the whole song is Morphogenetic Sorrow. 0:13-0:17 is literally the infamous four notes heard in Seek a Way Out and Morph. Sorrow.

[@SkyHakym]

Griff - Right yeah, I replayed it again after cooling off too and... i was so stuck on expectations, expecting conclusion on characters like Snake and Santa (what Uchikoshi said he would do), and wrapping up the characters in the cinematic manner that ZTD thrived in. Not in archives. But that’s why the Boy with the Ring scene is like one of the best in the game! And after replaying, I appreciate the plot SO much more, moments like entering the VLR timeline, Carlos’ dedication, the theme of hopelessness and having no choice, all well done! Yea, Spike Chunsoft already improved the lighting for PS4, so lets see if fans take it one step further and improve the animation, haha. It’s a lot of work but fans will go far!

[@ok-yv9dd]

3:32 i can only hear morphogenetic sorrow

[@mariogarciaurena1104]

Yesterday, while playing the end I was thinking that the ride had been epic and that all the major plot-twists were already covered so I was heading to the great finale with the thought it would be a little bit more anticlimatic. Then... SPOILERS . . . Delta dropped that fucking bomb of information. I just couldn't believe it. Danganronpa's creator said that ZTD's ending was from another world and heck if it was. BIGGEST PLOT-TWIST IN THE FUCKING SERIES

[@TheTrueBro]

Mario Garcia Ureña do you mean . . . . . . . . . . . . The terrorist?

[@Klemeron]

kokubunji he probably means the play on the coin toss and the moral dilemma of shifting.

[@eeeeggnog._.]

What plot twist?

[@Dav10000]

@@eeeeggnog._. Complex motives

[@ShadyRush]

Cheers for uploading the whole OST! Having just finished the game and still contemplating on it, it's great to get to listen to the music as well.

[@obuma6459]

What an incredible experience this was.

[@tomwatts703]

Aside from being the point where it really sinks in that this is the end of the story, the end of Zero Escape, I think this captures the tone of the ZTD perfectly. Everyone is alive and you have a chance to make a better future, but only after the most horrific and harrowing experience. Countless deaths have happened and other timeliness have been sacrificed to reach this point; it's not a happy ending but a bittersweet one, and this track really accentuates that. Who knows, maybe with the popularity of Somnium Files (and a certain extra in the second game) Uchikoshi may eventually give us a little more closure on this story.

[@alexisrox44]

vlr spoilers listening to this ost makes me realise that kyle technically would never exist in the "true" ending of this game. like, putting aside everything, in the timeline that the game ends on, kyle has no purpose of existence. and that actually makes me sad; i can't explain why, but i loved kyle, and i wish we had a chance to see what his life was like growing up, considering how fondly he speaks of akane and such. i think it would've given them some more... charm? idk how to explain it, but i just wish he had more purpose, other than... well, to live in a moon base for his entire life to serve a single purpose and never be acknowledged again.

[@ThatoneFelicia]

The realisation is definitely depressing

[@Vadim_Slastihin]

Kyle would never exist in this universe. But he will remain in vlr universe thou. Just like Quark, old Jumpei and others who remain in that universe. They will continue to live in a world that was affected by radical 6.

[@AE86FTS]

I mean Sigma may choose to create him anyway. Akane says in VLR that Sigma loved him like a son

[@wedasantika6079]

@@Vadim_Slastihin Oh right, especially after listening to old Junpei's analogy about 100 bikers when we are playing as '???' in Kyle's body. So the people in VLR universe are like that surviving 9 bikers on the timeline where the rest are dead and that timeline still exists even if the past is changed. Additionally he also has no regret for giving up on Akane, especially after seeing what she has become, even saying it's not the Akane he knew anymore. He still has Quark and that's enough to make him happy.

[@jazzyfool3597]

Beautiful song,I was spoiled from EVERYTHING for ZTD but I still want to play it. I hope we can get an update for the series but if not,I think it had a good ending with a lot of interpretation to be led on

[@Geesaroni]

My feeling on reading everyone talking about this game is that you can either like the ending to this game, or like the ending to VLR, but not both. Since I played this game first I didn't know what I was 'supposed' to be missing and was vaguely satisfied with it, whereas I thought VLR's ending dragged on and on and on and contained far too many of the game's twists at the very end and explained everything in far too exhausting detail. For people who played VLR first, it seems to be the opposite, where ZTD's ending doesn't explain nearly enough and doesn't have 3/4 of the things VLR's ending 'promised.'

[@eeeeggnog._.]

Geesaroni I loved VLR's ending and I'm ok with ZTD's but it could've been better

[@bromaro]

I played vlr before ztd and hated it, I played ztd and loved it

[@Arkaine197]

I played ZTD first, like you, but i always thought the ending was rather meh, i was a big fan of the VLR ending though.

[@furretfreak]

SPOILERS: I'd like to believe that Carlos shot Delta, that motherfucker.

[@lautael5299]

He's a fireman, his job is to save lives. Do you really believe he would kill Delta ? I don't think.

[@furretfreak]

Nah, he probably wouldn't, considering his nature and character. But man do I hate Delta and his "complex motives" nonsense.

[@LeonGun8]

Even if he wasn't a fireman, his whole character is centered around his drive to save others to atone for failing to save his family. So yes, he would never conciously take someone else's lives. Heck,even in the section where you can choose to kill Akane, Carlos doesn't attacks first,he actually attacks AFTER he gets his hand chopped off. You know, legitimate self-defense,he was almost killed.

[@cameronsheard3164]

Why? He didn’t even do anything wrong In that timeline. Can you just shoot someone cus of something wrong they did in another timeline? That’s messed up.

[@unnetted]

​@@cameronsheard3164Also - Mira didn't get shot. Not only did she kill people in different timelines, she killed people before the game too. So why should Delta get shot? (Besides, the mind hacking ability would be pretty handy to have)

[@valini6652]

A single snail...

[@michirutaichi6436]

Life is simply not fair

[@PenguinPat]

They better explain those "complex motives" or I'm gonna explode.

[@Arudap]

Are you gonna... complexplode?

[@LeonGun8]

Are they seriously THAT complex? They seem actually easy to figure out. Basically, the whole thing was a test of will to push them to want to stop the upcoming destruction of mankind. The only other "motive" we do not know still is whether the ideas of his organization are also true or just a fake mask he used to rally supporters (Free The Soul claims to want to purify mankind).

[@Arudap]

True, I feel like "complex motives" is achieving meme status and nothing more, because people misinterpreted the scene where he's interrupted by Phi after saying that as a way for the game to not tell you the rest and get away with it, when he actually continues explaining at the end. Most things that remain unexplained, in my opinion, can be traced back to things we can deduce by the few times we get a glimpe of Zero's personality, which people seem to disregard in favor of having an objective, clear answer that doesn't require them to think things through. I'd have a lot to say about this but I digress. All I'm saying is: you can make it make sense if you really think about it, although I'm not saying there aren't plotholes or anything.

[@IschmarVI]

ALRIGHT, ZERO! EITHER YOU EXPLAIN YOUR COMPLEX MOTIVES OR I AM GOING TO PUSH THE YELLOW BUTTON!!!1111oneoneeleven

[@TheTrueBro]

-Saving humanity -Preserve his own self existence -Keep the pieces in place so all the events from the 3 games happen The complex motives can be resumed in these. The details? Oh gawd no, I don't want to imagine those, and I can actually picture them being V E R Y C O M P L E X

[@FeeshieBoi]

Oh goodness, Shinji Hosoe even added a bit of Reminiscence in the track. I love it so much.

[@takemesrsly5312]

I have searched these gorgeous pieces of gold since i first heard them so a LOT of thanks to you !

[@ravus9935]

RIP Zero Escape 2010-2016

[@ok-yv9dd]

Life is...

[@ozanbarsaydemir6009]

o k simply unfair...

[@Frost-E]

@@ozanbarsaydemir6009 Don't you think?

[@thevoidfish]

i love the bass

[@magna4227]

So im the only one who liked the ending? Altough is lacking in some ways its not horrible

[@khdayskh1314]

SPOILERS I understand that Delta held this decision game to make sure that Diana and Sigma would make babies. But honestly, the whole 'training' the 9 participants to find the religious fanatic seems a bit outlandish to me. couldn't delta have just outright told everyone his motives behind radical six? everyone save for Eric, Carlos, mira and junpei would have believed him. and even then, akane would have convinced junpei and then Carlos would have followed suit. And I also understand that the game also trained Carlos to be an ESPer/SHIFTer. but honestly, what difference would one less ESPer make?

[@fey2450]

"And I also understand that the game also trained Carlos to be an ESPer/SHIFTer. but honestly, what difference would one less ESPer make?" Maria.

[@khdayskh1314]

+skrublordFey what difference would it make to the entirety of the plot

[@MooreIsLess1]

The theory I have is that Carlos is kinda there as a symbol of the creator's respect to firefighters. Think about it, there's Akane in the incinerator, dying. Phi dying in an incinerator, and Carlos is heald in super high esteem (as a firefighter should be) but more so than people would usually speak. so I think Carlos is also a kind of mouthpiece for that. Maybe the creator experienced some kind of fire-related trauma is a child?

[@LeonGun8]

So,what difference to the world would saving Akane in 999 mean? The whole series is about how one meager change leads to big changes. And ZTD especially takes this to heart. Remember the whole snail thing? One snail, leads to a little girlt urning into a murderer, a man being wrongfully convicted leaving behind a pair of children, which led to a surgeon dying and a little boy never receiving treatment in time, and so on. BTW, you're assumming they would actually believe Delta's reasons. He's the leader of Free the Soul, who created the first Nonary Game. Their whole MO is that they want to "purify mankind".

[@khdayskh1314]

Honestly, I don't understand why the Decision Game would give the crew a reason to actually believe Delta either. Is the purpose of the Decision game to convey the whole exposition that FTS are actually the good guys trying to stop a random religious fanatic? If so, then it did a poor job of doing it. Delta had to pop up in the end and dump an exposition bomb. And think about it: so if they wouldn't believe Delta if he had just told them peacefully, they would believe him only after he made them go through the decision game? That doesn't make any sense to me.

[@scottdaniels7534]

Zero scape 4 possible? spoilers below...? I am curious to know about some characters who were never seen, but mentioned like Lotus's daughter Nona or Rebecca who mentioned the game to Diana in the first place

[@ozanbarsaydemir6009]

Uchi said in one tweet that it was possible but looking back i think most of the storyline is explained to the fullest. I don’t think there’s a point.

[@TheTrueBro]

The nonary games storyline is done for. Making a fourth game would be too much of a stretch imo.

[@mitsuruneterra6035]

The creator said it's possible if it's really popular But u know

[@hyperboreanverdantsilo7959]

happy new year. beat the game (and the series as a whole - including the somnium files games) yesterday on new year's eve.

[@bignosenoats626]

amazing game, though I still prefer VLR, I actually liked the ending, since it leaves it open for interpretation.

[@tim0201-j3v]

Try 1.5 speed start from 2:39 then enjoy!

[@Vadim_Slastihin]

Для русскоговорящих. Мне одному этот трэк до жути напоминает песню из советского мультика домовенок Кузя "не бойся сказки ,бойся лжи"? Уже 5 лет как игра вышла, а меня до сих пор мучает вопрос , у одного ли меня такие асоциации...

[@1nterfector]

Чем-то вайбы похожи. Если учесть еще что япошки те еще плагиаторы, вспомнить хотя бы тему mgs и зимнюю дорогу Свиридова. "Не бойся сказки, бойся лжи" эти слова хорошо бы оглавляли синопсис данной трилогии. Но я думаю это все же просто совпадения. Скорее всего.

[@MiguelJohnson-c7l]

Feest Springs

[@KesslerWB]

I despised the ending, but this is still a great track.

[@ct2651]

Lounge version of the main theme of the series XD

[@tadtorsh5165]

Rachmaninoff prelude op 32 no 12 anyone??? Melody is so similar

[@SuperShesh2]

Is there a difference between this and CQD end 1?

[@aaa-wm8lt]

yes

[@SuperShesh2]

+aaa ⁢ Well that's helpful. Mind pointing out what that difference is?

[@zeila150]

There's more going on in this version (for example, extra strings and percussion). Also, I think the bass part has slightly different rhythms/notes. The Morphogenetic Sorrow part is also slightly different in terms of overall flow, and lasts longer (or starts later) than the one in CQD End 1 There's likely more but that's the gist of it

[@SuperShesh2]

Thank you! That was very helpful.

[@MangaPlCTURE]

are you shitting me with that ending? :(( felt way too underdeveloped and rushed after zero is revealed. plots from VLR either dropped or handled poorly. when the entire point is to stop some psycho to destroy the world, you can't make his motives to actually also wanting to save the world from another psycho. at least not without going further into it at all... what happened to the meeting he invited akane to? why is radical 6 not important in about 9 outta 10 endings/game overs?

[@Schinak]

That meeting is irrelevant since it leads to the VLR events anyway Radical 6 was a tool same as every other history that was sacrificed to make this one happen

[@MangaPlCTURE]

It's very much relevant when it was an opportunity to connect the game to VLR properly. VLRs special ending teased all these secrets about Free the Soul, the origin of Radical 6, Kyle/?, etc. and none of it was explained. And considering the way they talked about FTS in VLR, it makes no sense to have Brother go ,,SIIIKE, I'm doing this for the good of humanity also!! but its too """complex""", so let's end this game/kthxbye"

[@mariogarciaurena1104]

+Makoto Naegi Kyle/? is supposed to be the player. In other Visual Novels of the Ever17 saga he also showed up.

[@MangaPlCTURE]

Mario Garcia Ureña Even if ,,?" is supposed to be the player, Kyle is a real character of which Sigma said he would be a major part for his actions in the mars site. Completely dropped.

[@n_p_]

You might have already heard of this, but it's been confirmed by Uchikoshi that the whole Kyle/? -thing was never really that important to begin with. I had a hunch that this would be the case, considering that the whole ending that introduces ? is a bonus/secret ending, accesible only after you get all the gold files. It wouldn't be very good design if they made it a big deal in ZTD, since the ending is not required in order to beat the game, and some people (if not most (including me)) didn't play through the ending (although I watched it afterwards). But he did say - quite ominously as well - that the ending might "speak" to you, the player, and that ? will have a role in the real world. In 2028, twelve years from now. twitter.com/Pain1227/status/762932061883736064

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