Zoe E can now One-Shot with Stormsurge. Most broken item ever?

I was so fixated on One-Shotting with Q that I didn't even realize that E was possible
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[@qwormuli77]

What seems to be a pretty widely missed thing about the "new Luden's" (Caster's Companion) is that the passive is now _WAY_ better for control mages or sources of continuous spell damage. Old Luden's charged all at once, before being able to be used, but Newden's charges the first in only three seconds. And the important bit: The first charge doesn't suffer from the 0.35 multiplier penalty, meaning that landing the first charge multiple times is much more effective than landing the same one multiple times (6x for 6 procs vs 2.75x for one fully stacked proc). The burst effect is still really valuable, though.

[@davidli6931]

TBH this seems to be the only good thing for DPS/"control" mages that's not basically around ten mages that are completely all burst no dps/poor poke.

[@dr.nightmare9093]

21:20 The reason Zoe Q scales with level is cuz it's 70% of her power budget and it'd be too vexing to balance it with standard rank point scaling

[@dynhoyw]

i like that you explained that to a multi-season challenger zoe main

[@h1de2m33]

@@dynhoyw To be fair there's some challenger one tricks that don't know aspects of their champs. Petu had no idea how Shen's Spirit Blade tether looks to an opponent if he's in a bush but the Spirit Blade is in his base because he literally only ever plays Shen and never fights it, he randomly found out in a Shen 1v1 vs another content creator.

[@haydenhenderson19]

@@dynhoyw I mean they didn't though right? They explained something that Pekin addressed directly in the video for anyone watching and reading the comments, and while that may include Pekin it's not like it was directly addressed to him. If you're not careful you're going to lose your tail when Pekin finds the genie.

[@MiaaaaaChan]

​@@dynhoywBeing good at a champ doesn't mean you neccesarily understand the reasoning behind her balancing from a designer's perspective.

[@dr.nightmare9093]

@@dynhoyw His reasoning is wrong, it doesn't scale with level to match the passive scaling.

[@aspyse]

I'm pretty sure any instance of non-persistent (non-dot) damage pops the sleep's double damage. Stormsurge should qualify, which means it had its damage doubled, plus the horizon bonus.

[@ShadowHunter31]

It's doesn't really double. There's a max that it can hit for. But yeah, that's definitely what's happening.

[@shredtilldead182]

Hey everybody! Welcome to the next commentary today we are playing some Zoe versus Yasuo on the PBE to test out the new item’s on…her

[@taezmyg547]

Uhm.. I do think that Zoe was a winner in terms of the itemization changes

[@nicohanley1816]

@@taezmyg547because i think i dont know if theyre gonna nerf storm storm storm stormsurge god i can’t speak

[@dvdjsvd]

Boom wadd'up SoloBlueCardTfOnly

[@RiptidexRiltreks]

anyways, idk if they're gonna nerf this item ... but if they do nerf it? maybe my opinion will change on it; but right now zoe(is)s one of the champions that can easily deal 35% of somebody's max hp very quickly.

[@QuantumFeldspar]

​​@taezmyg547 these suck because people always get it wrong, do better

[@SpyroX.I]

26:35 There is the E one shot for you guys

[@Limcube]

Not sure if you mention it later but storm surge can crit with shadow flame, the synergy is pretty good

[@pismonic9846]

LIMCUBE PLAYS LEAGUE?!?!? YOU SHOULD SO STREAM OR UPLOAD LEAGUE??!?! YOUR CONTENT IS SO FIRE ALREADY IVE BEEN WATCHING FOR FORVER IN BOTW

[@magnov983]

@@pismonic9846 holy shit dude remember to breathe, like damn

[@PekinWoof]

Don't think I mention it in this video but I know previous videos I did. Casters Companion procs (the 6 hits) also can crit

[@drag0n356]

Limcube playing league is something that seems like a very enjoyable thing to watch (very sad that I couldn't see you play league a long time ago, heard you had streamed it when you were starting out) and pekin did 937 damage with stormsurge no crit, curious to see if shadowflame would have killed due to the extra little bit of flat pen instead of the added 10% from focus

[@Sadfluffybear]

Good point but shadowflame would imo still not be great on Zoe, as Pekin said, your increments of damage are too high for the bonus effect to be useful. Shadowflame is good on control mages for the most part less good on burst mages imo

[@dillonpatterson4310]

There is no way they don't nerf storm surge on release. Its just so much added burst for poke mages who could chunk before and now they can kill. 35% really isn't that much of a threshold

[@willyboi1105]

They nerfed electrocute so they could give us a better version in the shop 💀

[@archsys307]

@@willyboi1105league = pay2win, its hard to climb unless you give in and buy expensive skins and champs and cs in your games to save up money for items in the shop and shit, stop trying to force me to farm

[@brainstormsurge154]

@@willyboi1105 Good point.

[@algebraizt]

I think its fine in concept they just need to pick. Its either too much damage early or too much damage too easily. Just buying the item has it do minimum 150, that's the same as an ignite (on a 20s CD) and too much for just hitting someone. If they want to keep the damage maybe make it a bit fiddly to apply like Talon's passive or something.

[@pota7opotato573]

this aged well.

[@hoolehoop]

just wanted to say that you are an inspiring person for my day-to-day live! thanks for everything pekin!

[@epbwacko]

23:55 the new titanic hydra active is a true auto reset tho! maybe theres a good combo to be done with it? like empowered auto + hydra w + instant empowered auto

[@corruptmnb]

been watching for about a year but don't comment much, and i would love to see full AP/hybrid kench with the new mage item changes! i'm a kench main but with demonic embrace being removed, i feel like his hybrid build specifically was kinda gutted

[@cashbag]

No shot you waited a year to comment AP Kench

[@darkbonesss564]

heard that riftmaker has the hp to ap thing now

[@chandlerfoster8238]

Riftmaker is the new demonic btw

[@samsox14]

Riftmaker is pretty nasty...

[@qwormuli77]

Hsteel Riftmaker Kench could have some promise. Then there's the new(or old) Liandry's for anti-tank AP. Sadly there's no mythic passive for size/q range anymore, though.

[@Zakaarus]

Zoe can become an E oneshotter with stormsurge-casters synergy because her E procs off stormsurge. Shadowflame is OP too against semi-tanks and bruisers if you want to finish them off from 70% health (it has especially high synergy as it increases the damage of storm surge and and the true damage proc, but also has anti synergy in that few scenarios have E do 35% health AND the the Shadowflame execute is what finishes them off)

[@morganlobrose7253]

this was awesome! I'm excited for the new items now

[@chad6060]

pekin you make this slog of a life less unbearable. love you dude

[@kiritosblades]

Riot PBE servers used to only bc in Chicago, but now they seem to be split between California (somewhere in cali) and Chicago. Sometimes my ping is around 50's-60's (chic) any other times around 90-110 (cali) I'm located on East Coast. Normally get around 53 for live servers in chicago which is where the NA servers are located currently.

[@xenowarrior_gd6912]

PBE servers are in LA, so people specifically in the western US get pretty low ping. My normal sits around 50, and PBE is 20 maximum

[@Eagle-Fly]

I love these Zoe Videos, made me become a zoe main, she's just too good

[@TiagoDinisSilvaPT]

Don't even know for how many years I've been following but you are the only decent (that I follow) and amazing Zoe player! Would even say 90% of Zoe I've got it from you. Just will never understand how u can be soooooo chilled ...OP

[@TiagoDinisSilvaPT]

Anyway.. 2M on her and hard stuck in silver for too many years 😅

[@aquapichu4863]

you should check out miss detention xx >3

[@lukemcpherson8002]

I think your bubble one shot Ashe cause the stormsurge woke them up from bubble and procced the bubble damage, which seems like a really great combo for Zoe.

[@aWildMoke]

You mentioned there's fewer magic pen options now, do you think that will make some mages less effective blind picks against tanks and bruisers??

[@rabidaas3317]

Can’t wait to see you play AP kogmaw on this patch ❤

[@darceyfrkovic3165]

Hey Pekin, AP ezreal must be nuts with these AP items

[@TheSquidofCreation]

PekinWoof I hope you've been getting the energy from my virgin sacrifices. Love the vids!

[@brandon952]

I get lower ping on PBE than on NA, I play from Alaska. Friends in Washington state experience the same thing, so it's gotta be somewhere on the west coast.

[@PandaRizzArg]

This new stormscourge thing opens a hole lot of new of meta posibilities !! 😂 lets gooo !! Full ap A-Z series !!! 😊

[@TheGhostwolf14]

The hydra actives reset AA though, might be a cool combo with your passive

[@whiteoilotter8202]

I’m so excited for Zoe next season

[@eetus5529]

just curious why you dont go for Q R Q at 12:35? seems like it would reach her there?

[@adamin97]

You know what? I've never ever saw a video calculating how strong wind should be to break apart a bullet on contact. That could be interesting video speculating how stron Yasuos windwall could be~ Anyway, nice game! Have a nice day!

[@vincentvindevogel2368]

Hiya, do you know if shadowflame works on twitch poison?

[@CZ2_Delta]

19:06 Kills Hwei with a single Q. Toxic Pekin : HAHA no Hwei duuude!!

[@kristofferhagen4242]

I could be mistaken, but I think I remember seing a Zwag video where he was testing on PBE server with low ping.

[@user-gt5ec5bz5r]

i have like 30 ping in pbe and im over on the west coast, in southern oregon to be exact

[@dumpworth9473]

What is that "U" icon next to the character portraits at 7:46? It appears right after you kill Yasuo.

[@Justme-ip3wc]

fistbump

[@longingsoul1]

I have lower ping on the PBE. So somewhere near the south west?

[@director3151]

Zoe basically has a hollow purple now

[@conelpa8388]

‘These bushes are gigantic’

[@raquelanselmo6647]

Does the lightning bolt wake them from bubble?

[@lumoproduction]

I think comet is the way to go with all those new item I feel like you don't even to proc electrocute to kill and you will get more out the comet proc with the stormsurge proc and the caster companion

[@mankimies692]

Did experimental hexplate bug get fixed

[@Nako3]

season 14 might be the Zoe season!

[@lolersthe4th880]

I think the thing that has me most perplexed about this video is just how much extra movespeed there is now. Pekin had 499 at the end there. Do a lot of items just come with it built in now? Are they out of combat passives? I know he has darkseal, but even then, Zoe edging 500 movespeed is like....

[@klemboi8077]

They had cloud drakes

[@hugoalmstrom9479]

Think this update was a nerf for qiyana, with bigger and wider lanes?

[@martazmudzkatagimontaz7806]

next season is must to take item haste rune on mages cause most of them have cooldowns

[@h1de2m33]

I get that Pekin is insanely good at Zoe but there's no way this isn't mortifyingly broken, no? Like there's no reason a champ should be able to one-shot me from level 2 and and all stages of the game going forward.

[@jowee6839]

I mean until the e oneshot part this looked pretty similar to a normal very fed zoe game on live servers, shes always been one of the best laning and snowballing champions held back by lacking any real escape or disengage tool to save her. I wouldn't be surprised with some small/medium nerfs after her winrate goes up a bit with the preseason stuff but it's nothing insanely different (like people being oneshot from full with karthus ult in preseason, that's a big change from live)

[@kristian4243]

Does Q work with treshs lantern?

[@hesoyamis3544]

It's the comeback of deathfire grasp

[@Azazel-uv3sx]

I usually hover 30 ping on PBE, central US

[@jhonedwardmoramora4672]

Did Pekin get First Blood? Nope. First Blood was by enemy Ashe around the 1:58 mark. Pekin's First Bloods: 23 Allies' First Bloods: 59 Enemies' First Bloods: 59 Win streak: 0 Lose streak: 10 Highest win streak: 3 Highest lose streak: 23 Total games registered: 141

[@DustinHarms]

I love the *effect* of Storm Surge, and I hope that stays Having said that....c'mon, it obviously does WAY too much damage lmao

[@akizuki2971]

“I don’t know what somebody’s doing if they don’t know what they’re doing” is possibly how I win half of my fights xD

[@xmalin1]

i used to get the same amount of ping as live servers. but now i'm at 70 ping in the servers so maybe they moved it from the normal na servers?

[@casseve5672]

5:01 my friend in washington state has really really really low ping on pbe, far lower than his ping on live servers. maybe its somewhere near there.

[@Justme-ip3wc]

26:35 There you go :)

[@InvaderZae.]

Nothing will ever be more broken than Deathfire Grasp

[@thepeachy757]

i was the pyke and my ping was actually 24ms so maybe its on west coast? however i still get insane lag spikes at random times that i never get on NA, which is how i died to that bel'veth in bush 25:57 . PBE is weird

[@TheFeelTrain]

It must be west coast. I'm the same. My ping to PBE is like 30 while my ping to normal servers is like 80.

[@doommaker4000]

West coast is one of the worst places they could put it. Europe is fucked, china and korea are fucked and those are the regions with the biggest League culture. Even NA east isn't happy...

[@xVibra]

I'm sure that the PBE servers are in Cali, since I have 70 ping on live, and 50 on pbe. I'm one of the few that has it lower. I remember that the original live servers for NA were more west coast, probably Cali as well, in like season 4 and prior, then they moved it more in land so East coast players weren't screwed. I think some East coast players had it better on EUW back then.

[@voidroad]

Looking forward to full ap nidalee with the new items, it wont be meta ofc but it looks fun

[@M0th3ater]

Normally i have 70 ping on live, but i play pbe with 29-33 ping. I think its gotta be somewhere on the west coast, like Vancouver

[@vatum20]

Pekin on Zoe is too clean, it's illegal.

[@lolzkai1]

I'm pretty sure bobqin gets good ping on PBE i swear its somewhere on the west coast or maybe even further up in canada, I get around the same ping as you on the east coast

[@chriss-fox]

isn't lich bane good on her?

[@timelischer6697]

How much dmg Nidalee Speer will do with thos items😅

[@marcosmohamed3046]

Stormsurge is the new Deathfire Grasp

[@tribalfury98]

I’m ready for the PBE ap ezreal game now dad

[@h1de2m33]

Stormsurge, Shadowflame and the defensive mage items giving 120 AP should all get nerfed iiho

[@GoldenCrow559]

Might be the first e oneshot in zoe history

[@majinwayzxp8540]

I don’t see this storm item making it to live the way it is lol 😅

[@jcrc1]

Is Ludens still in the game?

[@TheFeelTrain]

Being on the west coast I actually have lower ping to the PBE than to normal servers

[@Skchey]

Nice vid

[@larghedoggo9607]

I feel new season has way more damage inceasing items and no more mythic limitation🤣 They will for sure be balanced though

[@apkaisa]

Pekin I'd adore you even more than i already do if you cooked with AP Ezreal and my beloved AP Kai'sa

[@palmolive4541]

12:50 after talking about how much gold towers are worth and fighting so hard for mid tower you didn’t even get the gold for it 😭😭

[@taekwon4980]

it can also one shot with a faerie charm

[@bunjay8226]

im pretty sure pbe servers are in santa monica, weird that your ping is so high

[@greatgatorgaming6024]

Riot out here turning every mage into Zed

[@dosasosa878]

In cali i get 15-30 ping on pbe

[@hiding_behind]

so stormsurge is collector but ap

[@amyt.7401]

yayy new video

[@mattheweveryday]

pbe servers are in LA which is funny because I would get 20 ping on PBE servers but 50-60 in regular

[@mercenaryrex4578]

Somebody pls tell brother Pyke to change key binds. The man was STRUGGLING with this flashes/ignites

[@yautjamerk9159]

Not even a clickbait !!

[@lucasgaeth5327]

Y’all see the malphite blade of the ruined king?

[@taavidude]

Zoe one-shotting people? Not a surprise, she has been doing that ever since she got released.

[@ParallaxDawn]

What was that sound at 15:16 💀

[@amateur-disco]

Zoe sticking out her tongue/blowing a raspberry

[@rigohernandez9672]

It’s so weird my normal ping is around 65-78 but my pbe ping is 50 😢

[@Bluefooted23]

My normal ping is 60. My PBE ping is 12. Pretty sure pekin and all his friends live on the east coast.

[@shiah]

Whee, a Zoe

[@algebraizt]

So if you actually want to know about ping basically Riot has got a bunch of deals with Internet Service Providers and has essentially built their own 'highway lanes' for their players to use. The PBE doesn't use these lanes (or at least isn't given priority) so we're on much less impressive internet infrastructure when on the PBE.

[@Claritism]

R.I.P. ILLAOI.............. Illaoi has been murdered by these changes. Even if she gets good items, her tentacle placement will be absolutely destroyed due to the wide lanes. They killed top and mid illaoi in 1 fuckin patch. Items nerfed into oblivion, tower gold nerfed, lanes widened so she cant properly clear waves anymore. Guess even she could out strength Riot's heavy hand of death. I remember when Nagakaboros was the strongest being before being retconned out. I still believe she is the strongest. I will pray to her to have her strength restored.

[@ShadowHunter31]

I thought they only made mid wider? Illaoi is mostly played top, not mid.

[@Claritism]

@@ShadowHunter31 Mid and top are both wider. Some Illaoi's, me included, took her mid. IMO she has better match ups mid. She has decent sustain and great wave clear. The lane had better tentacle placements and the lane being shorter meant you could use your tankiness to woddle back to tower if you really needed to. Now all the lanes are wide. Even the jungle is wide. Its all so wide to the point Illaoi will struggle getting double tentacle hits. Everything is so far apart now.

[@akizuki2971]

I will not cry for illaoi players

[@Claritism]

@@akizuki2971 I cry for all players. Even those who play champions that counter me. No champion deserves to be murdered.

[@akizuki2971]

@@Claritism even teemo’s? Ever master yi’s???

[@gabrielellerfagundes24]

I read the title and thought E one shot was a mistake, like probably he meant Q right? Appatently, not

[@KynteGuru]

7:44 that hitbox

[@aspyse]

The Q recast indicator doesn't move smoothly with zoe, but the actual range is based on its distance from her.

[@Arbaiter]

New shadowflame works with Zoe passive autos, and that damage might just tip it over the edge for when you’re snowballing. Looks like it could be a 2nd item after a mana item on her if you’re ahead. Reminds me of how strong she was in s9 after ludens + oblivion orb, but MMR is fucky on PBE so can’t really tell if it’s ideal.

[@aspyse]

The issue with Shadowflame is that its passive only exists when the enemy is at 35%. With E -> Q -> A, the only thing that realistically crits is the last auto's magic damage. Shadowflame is better on burn/dot champs who can gradually bring you to 35% and then crit their damage for that 35% window. That said, if you're ahead enough to bring the enemy to 35% with one E or Q, then Stormsurge can crit for some pretty good damage.

[@XulteS]

2:15 could've just flashed to the ignite and kill her too 😢

[@packful]

I get low ping on pbe i think the servers are in sf or la i get 20 ping in oregon

[@devandhrew]

Pekin losing mid tower gold made me cry

[@jxstified7558]

These items juts make every champ Ive seen broken, all my KZbin is recommending me is new broken build for x champions.

[@melvilles.5257]

Siiick

[@sudokillall]

Much lower ping on West Coast than main server's

[@TwistedPJ]

Whenever i see pbe footage i am almost sure there will be massive nerfs over time and 6-7 patches after release dammages will be back (or close) to where it is now. After all riot wanted to reduce burst and os abilities not so long ago now they want us to os them all over again and suposedly they aim to reduce snowball and increase game length a bit. I mean sometimes riot's gameplan for league does not make any sense at all. At least this season they bothered making many changes which i like more than just almost no changes like this current season.