THE BEST *NEW* CDL TEAM IS… (FT. NADESHOT) | TIER LIST! | THE FLANK

[@youafruitcup]

Nadeshot being more involved with pro CoD again is a W. It sucks we go from 4 teams to 3 but those games between the 3 gonna feel like major finals even during LAN matches

[@ZentoraxLP]

Top 3 is better than top 4. A top 4 would always have the same teams on sunday, but a top 3 will probably have a new 4th on sunday

[@brandonmunroe853]

i agree but also look at it as the reg season games are gonna be good... like if teams arnt play 1 of the top 3, they are all going to be close and pretty unpredictable so it makes for better watching... just like watching the top 3 play eachother without the excitement. if that makes sense

[@jumpingilly732]

There will likely be a top 4 again once Falcons drops a bag for a team

[@youafruitcup]

@@jumpingilly732 not happening until next year tho

[@DefeatedCxd]

@@youafruitcupyeah most likely and idk who they even try to buy away from top 3 or whoever’s leftover

[@Pakgwarn]

- Someone makes a point - Ben J “h-h-hold on, hold on”

[@adamhachey8461]

CAN I FINISH MY POINT OR AM I GOING TO BE INTERRUPTED AGAIN

[@edmundmonge9587]

​@@adamhachey8461 This is chalked. I can't make my point. 😂

[@clipperfan1714]

Envoy has been on some the most stacked rosters.

[@ZentoraxLP]

Idk how he does this

[@ahasman1]

@@ZentoraxLP talent

[@mmorphy4258]

@@ZentoraxLP lol he’s just a great teammate so all those teams want him

[@alextv293]

@@ahasman1😂 grow up, he’s washed.

[@r3cti4y12]

​@@alextv293get some glasses fam, he ain't washed lmao

[@TheJabes]

for one of the majors you guys should try to get one big watch party. Like a faze optic and 100T watch party with everyone. It’ll be like the barstool guys when they watch football😂

[@TheJabes]

Love the content though guys, I appreciate everything you all do for the community

[@ItsManana]

Pat is an S tier hater, gotta give it to him

[@mmorphy4258]

He always plays his role correctly, in and out of game

[@alextv293]

He owned optic during his playing days, he’s a goat fella

[@ItsManana]

@@alextv293 you'd think for a guy who had as much success against a team as he had, that team wouldn't live rent free in the guy's head lmfao

[@kingderk]

​@ItsManana do you actually think pat cares. Its a fucking a esport for christ sake. Its optic fans with pat in their heads rent free.

[@DeejSZN]

@@ItsMananaBro is trolling delusional OpTic fans 🤣 He clearly knows they are a great team

[@808bluemont]

Watched the debate instead of the flank live like a paisan. Forgive me boss

[@kunalgupta9713]

You’re watching a yappathon either way bud

[@silas2192]

@@kunalgupta9713haven’t watched yet but that’s a sure bet lol

[@buffalo710sburner2]

@@kunalgupta9713lmfaoao

[@EarlobeJuice]

Yap vs yap hmmm I choose yap

[@ZooMaa]

Understandable boss enjoy the show 🫡

[@JoeWo]

Another W Flank

[@ZooMaa]

Joewo!

[@jsheen1993]

Stop using a CHRONUS Joe

[@afuriousblackman]

Please don't run from Biffle on LAN ever again

[@MV-ri7zu]

Its the "movement king" that turns into a crab on lan.

[@GeTMiXeDuP770]

U have walls when u play from home....You're a meme

[@skillsgaming2237]

W Flank. Ben instantly roasted & nadeshot special guest. What an amazing episode

[@flanksinatra007]

Dope having guests back on the flank!! Reminds me of the old days

[@blaze-vw9xy]

Need 3 hour long episodes more

[@ryxn_13]

20 minutes in , haggy and sam haven’t said a word 😭 free em

[@ReWPDAWG]

tbf the floor is set for nade

[@yvngrickyy9675]

Well you obviously aren’t paying attention

[@chrisdrake9934]

They where talking to nade duh and tbh I like haggy but he rants forever sometimes

[@brickgman326]

Haha. Haggy for sure made up for it after it though

[@zMythx]

Can we just agree that the Flank would be better if Ben stood as the behind the scene role ?

[@kylegregory7530]

No we can’t buddy speak for yourself

[@zMythx]

@@kylegregory7530 that’s why it’s a question.

[@kylegregory7530]

@@zMythx no thank you

[@zMythx]

@@kylegregory7530 you’re special

[@kylegregory7530]

@@zMythx “can we all agree” that’s cute

[@YaboiKinny]

That nadeshot vs. Aches thumbnail is comedy, I probably watched that video like 10 yrs ago 😂😂 holy shit time flies

[@WikDgunner]

"Can I finish my point, or are you going to keep interrupting" is a sentence that no adult man should ever say.

[@steezyfrey]

Love Ben J being Ben J within 30 seconds of starting. The man has no social etiquette haha

[@sebastianrolf829]

A great episode! Good analysis all around and really interesting to hear everyone’s rationale and points of view. Definitely even further made me excited for the season and most importantly made the outside of the top 3 interesting because that was a big issue last year that outside the top 4 was lacklustre and just felt neither audience nor players cared too much. Thanks again

[@johnnypadilla8182]

You gotta tip pat for the faze glaze that boy sweet like an orange peel

[@tylersquanto8938]

Haven’t heard this one before

[@TannerWendellStewart]

Optic won champs. They have the ring. They are top of S for mw3. Why are we pretending pats optic hate is fair, when every other year EVER, the team with the ring is Top of S… Faze dropped out of champs top 6… and in any other year, would have broken up the trio. Weighting faze over them, regardless of the ewc, (a single elim bracket) or the 7-1 record is the worst example of recency bias I’ve ever seen on the flank. Optic won when it mattered the most…

[@MattSantarelli]

zooma love the flank, been watching about a year now. any chance you can try to make the timestamps at the complete accurate time, It usually doesn’t bother me but hearing ben j yap about “soccer and its success lonely success in the G leagues of sports” when trying to see the tier list kinda bothered me. (Love the flank and just kidding except for Penj yapping”

[@WobblyRooster]

They’re there now

[@kyleadams3610]

“Path to my ass” was fuckin hilarious Haggy😂😂😂😂😂

[@ascarppy]

Pat: "Faze is obviously S tier because they just won a championship" Pat about the team that just won champs: "I think they're A tier"

[@itssHavoc]

Nadeshot & Aches on a pod in 2024. 🔥

[@Speedz41]

Man, its so dope to see nade really want to win and be back in cod. He did this shit himself 10+ years ago, he knows how to do this shit. shoutout nade, keep building cod man.

[@rj396]

29:50 “That’s nice Matt, thank you for sharing 😊” 😂

[@iZaners]

If faze beating optic sways your opinion then put LAT at the top of S because Scrap cyberbullied faze all year

[@justinbieber3697]

Exactly and TWO teams had Faze's number last year to Optic's one. Idk why they're not mentioning that though. Not to mention Optic beat Faze and didn't lose to them in the last 3/5ths of the season.

[@GabeDunn-cy2do]

The optic disrespect is crazy it was there first year together and the won champs

[@R34L100]

Lmfao I love ACHES he’s the man also FAZE TF UP

[@abdielzee3367]

here for the LAT hype

[@T_Nugs]

I guess I’m an old head now in cod, but the days of nadeshot and scump competing on who was starting stream first for the viewership was the peak of content. I’m hoping that the minimum salary being gone sparks some of that competitive streams. Havok took it serious and look what happened to him.

[@pushintree]

Something about throwing on the flank while at work keeps me sane im so hype for this upcoming season 🙏

[@kingsrky3931]

Zoomaa paying Aches for the flank is hilarious

[@kia2065]

Parasite ring checking that fraud was comedy. One of the greatest and smartest to ever do it

[@strike4177]

I need yall to figure out what the philosophy is for a tier list. Cause half of you wanna talk the past, half wanna talk the future. Atp you should each just make your own list and reveal them one tier at a time and debate that way 🤷‍♂️

[@tommyancharuk9941]

Happy that you guys are realistic and put optic first ! They won the biggest tournament of the year plus earned the most money this year !

[@CornyF]

Benjamin beans is gonna be a breakout AR, he has exactly what he needs to perform well

[@isaacjennings-c8y]

Can't wait for the new cdl season!

[@kalthebfg9]

Deadest opinions coming from aches as always

[@juannito6318]

Hes speaking facts tho

[@alextv293]

Ben J Rizzim is worse imo

[@rxlphie6742]

guys just salty at everything cos xdefiant my be the worst fps made

[@juannito6318]

@@rxlphie6742 you optic guys just salty cause hes spitting facts lmao 🤣 😂

[@rxlphie6742]

@@juannito6318 not an optic fan his opinions are just shit. How’s that sib team not better than legion last year 💀

[@mightypensword]

If you look at this from a variance perspective like they do in poker, if Optic and Faze are equal, there is still a decent chance that one could sweep the other for a whole year. The head to head record over an 8 or so match sample size doesn't necessarily mean one team is better than the other, especially if most of the games were close.

[@kai1x_]

A minute in and Ben is already tweaking. Get em outta here lol

[@Senad-t6j]

😂😂😂😂😂 Ben's knew he did it way to early 😂😂😂

[@Agent_Lemon]

Envoy back at thieves is my favorite part of the whole thing

[@brandondshave5472]

I wish I would have made it to asked them what they think about BO6 being like BO4 now they updated it to the point everyone has stims and it just refills after u get kills or time goes on in said match 🙌🏾🐐

[@JustReactionsHD]

I like the Attach and Sib duo

[@bigbossrob]

Shoutout to Nade man, yapped for 30 minutes straight (no water breaks) so inspirational!

[@syednafay5525]

GentleMates really got a Paco from Temu/Alibaba and called it a day

[@chrisporclean5686]

If the Vegas Falcons just waited for the off season to unfold, they could have the LA Thieves team. And with their money, they will have to LA Thieves team next year or the year after.

[@gucci_marcus]

Mack on Surge was like Karma on Optic. He was the scapegoat when the worst player on his team in Vanguard was Lamar. It's been 3 years and I still know that if surge are playing Berlin SND. Lamar is sitting in that back spawn building in every life. Mack deserved more credit on that team.

[@hunterkingfishing6253]

Did octane say what I think he said at 29:52?? Wtf is wrong with this guy

[@stev_.]

death penalty i fear

[@Slimedontmiss9]

I can’t believe Nade let that slide wtf … who says shit like that

[@mmorphy4258]

I’d lose my shit tbh, octane needs to be checked

[@kyleadams3610]

Bro I thought I was the only one who heard that

[@hunterkingfishing6253]

@@kyleadams3610 he might have said pet. Idk

[@rileyl5726]

I think overall these teams are more balanced than they were for MW3. Even with the LAT super team I feel like there will be more upsets

[@mwm433]

I might be the only one in this, but I feel like a lot of orgs built good teams this season and could be very competitive (praying it’s true 🙏🏾)

[@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter]

The league really needs stricter salary caps etc… if they limited each team to how much they could spend on a player like any other pro sport (NBA, NFL, etc..) it would prevent these super teams and allow for smaller teams to actually acquire t10 players

[@Yung_Banksy]

When Ben says “hold on” I lose it every time, please have a word Tom, its so hard to listen to. He’s the one we want to hear from the least but he talks the most

[@rubenpatino390]

A 2 hour flank I wonder why?? (Nadeshot probably)

[@DJuggernaut99]

No. Read the timestamps

[@ZentoraxLP]

King of yappin but we love him

[@Kobem14]

People forget how unstoppable simp/abezy are in treyarch games

[@XanderStarly]

Gentlemates are basically NYSL lower case

[@zackaryladydo189]

LMAOOOO I'm crying guy in chat " dip in challengers duarte"

[@ismaelsierra9946]

Man I really hope Envoy has a good season.

[@area6147]

Damn Adam Adamou broke GA's... No scrims for month

[@Stainer00]

W youtube promo nade im tuning into the watch parties

[@mwm433]

Cobra and mythix hello @loony, stack talent with that trio

[@Borrachito4]

I mean, teams looked at the challengers system last year and now Lynz, Gwin, Gio, Reall, Abuzah, Estreal, Kremp are in the league

[@JustSomeGuy009]

Chris had a TON to say this episode. Madone.

[@nite3018]

yo pat is comedy lmao

[@DelusionalThomas18]

Considering faze won champs (and ran the online circuit) the last treyarch game id say theyre the best team going into the year. Not to mention theyve been second place in everything since. Never leaving the top two power rankings in like 5 years. They dont get enough credit tbh. And im an optic fan

[@evassive2840]

One thing I have been thinking about is with there being 3 god teams compared to 4 does that mean every major one of the top 3 will have free road to winners final and other 2 will have to play each other for it compared to last year it not always but sometimes was just each side of winners having top 4 vs top 4 and winners match in winner finals

[@R34L100]

Faze Lat Optic

[@jhbobcat1]

Twitch chat makes me lose brain cells. Half these dopes don’t know much outside of L1 and R1.

[@joebanks1135]

I feel like lat could have a year like cold war faze and playing from Texas I feel there online games will be nuts also

[@newdarkagenow]

"theres only one sport where the 2nd tier players arent struggling and thats soccer" "College footballers make bank tho" "Ok theres only 2 sports" Meanwhile, im over here thinking of atleast a dozen sports where the 2nd tier get paid plenty enough to live comfortably. Not Bens best take ever.

[@RevolutMe]

Bro everything Tom said at the start of that top 3 debate was incorrect 😂

[@itissoldier7837]

Optic Fan 1. Faze. 2. Optic 3. LA I look at it with the issue of each team. LA are untested so you cant say who is better until we see some games. Optic is 2 because of 3 issues, Slow stats, SnD, and Pred. Honestly I think all of these issues come back to Pred. Optic slow starts always to me come back to who is taking that initial engagement. Shotzzy to me is at his best when he can just get lost flip spawns and hit people from weird and sometimes ratty/nerdy angles. When this happens optic just loses that player that's just pushing front. Pred would slow his game down in times he just needs to push face and take fights. Honestly I feel a lot of optics issues revolves around Pred not playing like the player that they picked up. And Faze can have a similar issue where a lot of their issues are falls around cellium not playing with his team taking weird nerdy ratty spots and not getting the most out of the engagement he's getting. All three of these teams are 1, 2, 3 and the difference between them is going to be who figures out those issues the quickest and can maintain this level without falling back on those issues mid season.

[@Shmeef_4L]

Gunless to Rokkr for the main AR feels like a must

[@dtraceh]

The Flank Tier List S: Zoomaa, Octane A: Parasite B: C: Ben J D: Aches

[@tmarston3944]

S: Aches A: ZooMaa, Parasite, Octane B: C: D: HELL: Ben

[@vaihn3567]

The players really finessed nade to get more on their salary. What a fleece😂😂

[@bstacks2289]

Tom was so use to optic smoking faze the past 2 years is crazy

[@CurlSQD]

PTSD hit him hard

[@vinciperri]

Gio estreal and Huke might be the 4th team for top 4 they are gonna be flying

[@emilivno555]

hell no

[@elijahcruz2141]

Optic winning champs again going back to back

[@carlosford741]

I love how when optic was running Faze pockets in vanguard/mw2 they still had faze on top but now it’s the other way around Faze is still better 😂

[@mango2538]

How does OpTic win champs and move down a tier. Pat is a pure hater 💀

[@BigWeinerTaylor]

Slasher might could make a t16 challenger team better lowkey

[@WaylanJackson]

I think Lynz will turn up this year watch

[@EugenGus-r9k]

Delpha Walks

[@ap32thrillz96]

Mack is gonna play sub? I could be wrong but I feel like he only played sub in the first MW, maybe it’s just the break he took.

[@alpra3571]

Path to Chris’s crack

[@lagunacinematics]

Ben is right, the league is full of Challenger players who proved themselves. Aches crashes out and chatters just clap like walruses lmao.

[@02S0uL]

The flank would undeniably be the best cod podcast Ever if benj didn’t talk as much

[@sonbuffio8043]

i usually dont care about pats takes but judging by last year optic and faze are even at number 1. both won two majors, faze was really disappöionting at champs, not as disappointing as optic in major 4 but its champs. lat is anew team so does not matter how the roster looks on paper they cant be above faze and optic. i think its pretty easy right now at this time to rank these three.

[@evanmlink2]

pat the nanlite pavotube lights are a little cheaper.

[@ImBrockatron]

Hate them or love them. Without pat and ben, this show would be an L.

[@adamhachey8461]

WOOOOOOMAAAA

[@AcidAdventurer]

The whole "path to pro" debate was absolutely faded from Chris and Patt. It was simply full of non sequiturs. Just because it isn't the best system or there are better systems that players are starting to favor, it doesn't therefore follow that Challengers gets you no exposure and has no influence on getting you picked up by a pro team.

[@Hookasaurus]

Yo nade needs to run watch party's for tournies from the compound since the team playing from Texas

[@Senad-t6j]

Ben j an nade need to glove up😂😂😂😂

[@marcelcueva7777]

@zoomaa when aches was going IN on Priestahh, felt like you should have defended him a bit. You’ve been vocal on how Preston is a good player, should have had some debate with aches there u missed the opportunity

[@topcatgaming5890]

Personally as nasty as LAT look, putting them in S tier is a insult to FaZe and OpTic considering they are both coming into this year with chips, LAT can very easily win everything this year but could also just as easily flop, would of made alot more sense having the 2 best teams from last year S tier and LAT A tier.

[@kyleadams3610]

Illey, huke, gio, estreal . Would be really good bro I wish inder was playing man🤦🏾‍♂️

[@krizp8942]

Does zooma not play competitive nomore ?

[@SlakksKF]

Bens point about the "All Tier 2 leagues in pro sports and esports" does he not realize the CDL isn't really succeeding. It's living on as a stable Tier 2 Esport but that doesn't mean its necessarily successful. If the foundation for the sport isn't popular (CDL Challengers) it just wont get the resources to improve or grow simple as that.

[@nekaTsaWepoH]

Pat is fucking hilarious

[@damianvela7637]

Ben saying that soccer is the only sport where they can develop players before they reach pro is such an L take. If any of you are baseball fans, especially Detroit Tigers, you can see that THIS year, we have the youngest baseball team in the major league with only one player on the current roster having past experience in the postseason. That is also stating the fact that the Tigers went on a 31-11 run the last two months after having a 0.02% chance to reach the postseason with a young squad. To say that soccer can only develop players before pro or even at the pro level, is so wrong and as well as being close minded. I usually don't comment at takes or opinions but that kind of threw me off and I thought I should say something. The Minor League system in baseball (depending on the org) can definitely develop prospects and get them to The Show in general.

[@ox5016]

Ben crowbarring in sports analogies when he literally knows nothing about sports 😂