First, its noted in the description that it's an HRV. Second, yes it probably would, but this test was conducted equal for all vehicles to show how the AWD performs with all "default" safety systems enabled. I'm sure the Mazda could do it with the TC off as well, however this is a pretty simple test with the bump only being less than 2 inches tall. Put it out in the real world with tougher real word conditions and there is not doubt the AWD of the Subaru will perform better.. And that is before even taking the ground clearance into account..

its a mistake!!

in the description its noted that its an HRV. Same awd system though.

@@jobob4321it’s not the same awd system

out of these three...

Yeah, controlled environments that can accurately demonstrate a specific vehicle system are the worst! lol

@@jobob4321 the thing is, you will never ebcounter this in real life.. so lame

​@@Masteur043 Yeah makes total sense. You should let the crash test safety guys know how lame it is to crash test cars in controlled environments. They should probably do it out in the real world to make it less "lame". Have you ever been off roading or in a ditch? one wheel with traction is a likely situation in those instances. Mind you off roading sounds pretty lame too doesnt it?

@@jobob4321 haha I practically live off the road so you won't show me how it works lol. First thing is a car like that isn't meant to go In the ditch. This is absurd. Crash test are not the same anyways so yeah parking lot tests are lame.

There is a clip for both Xmode on and off for the Crosstrek...

Foot was on the floor, the car is cutting its own throttle due to additional wheel slip. All vehicles were tested with TC on, as to show a fair comparison. Not most, but a lot of people buying these kinds of vehicles won't even know how to turn TC off. The reality is as well, is that part time AWD systems are at there best at lower speeds. If you were take into account highway speeds and AWD capability, the capability advantage of the Full time AWD Subaru would be even greater

@@jobob4321 Ah alright thank you for clarifying. Good idea for the traction control. Thank for for responding to my snarky comment.

@@jobob4321 youre just not seeing things clearly, the mazda with the tc off is a totally different vehicle totally different system. I can't get up my drive way when it's ICE in a crv but I can in my cx3 with the TC off

The 6-Time World Rally Champion.

@@perfectsplit5515 True, but irrelevant. Race cars have zero in common with production cars. Probably not one single part.

@@thebeans66 Technology developed in race cars make their way into production cars. Lessons learned in racing are applied to production cars.

Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqC9g6WjgJZkqNk

Great videos, thx for sharing! :-)

As noted in the description... but hey reading is hard right? Some would say not being able to do so would even make you a dummy....

Lol!

@Dashcam captures, if you look at that test performed by Mazda, do you notice how they have the wheels cranked to one side before attempting the climb? There is a reason for that. Because the Subaru is a full time AWD (like a vehicle always in 4x4), in order to turn tight, slow corners, the Subaru has to allow additional slip at the inside wheels, so that you do not get that bucking and skipping sensation as you would with a 4x4 truck. Mazda's test here is set up to specifically exploit that in a very specific situation. Because the Mazda is a part-time awd it uses predictive measures to pre-engage the AWD system. One of those factors happens to be the wheels cranked to one side. If you listen to the guy doing the talking, he even admits that the Subaru would make the climb with more throttle. This test is so specifically set up to make Mazda appear better, that its almost completely irrelevant. If i'm stuck or in some nasty stuff, typically i don't turn my wheels all the way to one side. So yes in this very specific situation (wheels cranked, low speed tight corner, and only at very low rpm, does the Mazda move up a little quicker.

Hey Clay - thank you for the response, Subura has always been" the" AWD drive car - Everyone else just getting into the game relatively speaking.. Reliable steady and proven... just needs a little more fun factor

@@deanprovost7277 Agreed! Unfortunately Subaru is (as many other brands are) falling into that mainstream trap, the vehicles are starting to become more generic and less fun ie. the loss of the Turbo Forester for 2019. It's sad to see the way the whole automotive market is shifting. Hopefully the WRX and STi remain fun after the 2020 redesign....

@@jobob4321 But the Subaru has a CVT....That's a deal breaker... I went with the CX-3

@@checkmateking2854 The CVT transmission is a matter of personal opinion. The CVT on the Subaru's is not the same as the ones found on other manufactures such as Nissan. The CVT on the Subaru is actually a decent transmission aside from maybe performance driving. That being said the Crosstrek, CX-3 and HRV are in no way performance vehicles. Again, the CVT may not be for everyone, but just jumping on the "CV'T's are bad" bandwagon without first trying out a modern one would be a mistake. Most people who don't like CVT's don't actually understand how they work.

It's noted in the description that it's an HRV and not a CRV as stated in the video. Same AWD system though. Perhaps some people have trouble reading? And they don't know how to drive? hmm. Didn't think there was that much that could go wrong with holding the wheel straight and pressing the gas. Your well thought out comments are appreciated though!

Clay Grenier I’m sorry I have just always liked Honda’s and was just being mean once again I’m greatly sorry

Logan H this is fantastic, typical toxic KZbin comments. Nice to see people like you get called out for being ridiculous.

@@RyanDaMannn he did say sorry

@@RyanDaMannn He said sorry. Did you see the other guy apologize for being a twat? No. You're biased as fuck.

Youre about the 10th person to not read the description and make that comment.....

Well, aren't you the observant one?

@@MrTxnok And using an apostrophe for guys is incorrect

Aren't you the "smart" one...I'm guessing not!

@@MrTxnok LMAO!! Well i certainly know what the difference between a *possessive* and a *plural* So that proves you guessed wrong, doesn't it?

Have you not heard of Honda's 1.5T fuel-oil dilution problem?

go on...

You didn't hear the Mazda rev as much because as soon as additional wheel slip was detected (as it started to make the climb) the vehicle would cut throttle on it's own in order to attempt to regain traction. The Subaru however, is programmed to realize that some slip at low speed is ok, and therefore doesn't cut throttle, allowing the engine to rev and make the climb.

@@jobob4321 should have hit the throttle. I own a CX 9 and I know you could still rev that engine during slip.

@@dthompsont3796 The throttle was pushed to the floor. Yes you can rev the throttle during slip, that isn't the issue that is causing the system to cut throttle. The problem is when additional slip is detected (once the vehicle begins to move forward) that the system will cut throttle.

Hey Ryan, In the automatic Subaru's the multi plate center clutch pack is always partially engaged to give it the 60-40 front to rear split, with the ability to go 50-50 as needed. Modern Subaru's also include a transfer control module on that center clutch pack that can cause the torque to shift 50-50 (or in between 60-40 and 50-50) predicatively based on steering angle, acceleration, etc. Both the front and rear diffs are open, meaning they use the ABS to transfer torque laterally. Cheers!

Clay Grenier thx for the explanation. I know every manufacturer has a different way of doing it

That they do!

Again misleading information about 60/40 torque split. Let's look for example at 2017 Forester. During stable driving (60, 70, 80, 90 km/h) activity of solenoid is set to 27% (just for the record - 100% means 50/50). What torque split that is? Probably close to 90/10. Full throttle from 60 km/h gives maximum 57% to the solenoid (99% from 0 km/h speed). That makes the system the same as i.e. Mitsubishi or the ones based on newest haldexes.

Not entirely true. When I tested it in the impreza with the Subaru diagnostic tool, the torque never reached below 39% to the rear on the Impreza based on the solenoid C position. (as explained in an earlier comment). Now the Impreza is a different AWD system than the 2017 or 18 Forester, however the 19 forester will be on the same system as well.

Yup, that's what we were trying to prove all along! Thank you for catching on! Those silly people who make the Nissan GTR and the Lamborghini Aventador (both 2 of the most capable AWD vehicles ever made) have no clue what they are doing! And why would anyone want an AWD in poor road conditions? 2WD is clearly the way to go. Thanks for the well thought out, highly intellectual comment!

This guy handsome and make excellent point (OffGridNorthwest). Anyone who replies otherwise try too hard to prove selves right lmao

Is this sarcasm? #coastalelite

Thats a fun opinion Craig, care to elaborate with anything other than hot air?

"X-mode" looks promising, although I question how long the clutches will last if you have rev it up to 2000+rpm just to get it to engage (as seen on another video that was done by Mazda to compare with Subaru). On the other hand, is this test applicable to real world scenarios where you only have one wheel on the ground? I've seen how much traction a wrx has on gravel with all four wheels with equal traction, but it is interesting to see what would happen if one where hanging off the edge of a road with only one tire on the ground (does this really ever happen though?) This test does prove the myth that we imagine car manufactures advertise saying it will transfer power to the wheel that grips (oh, that's right, to cover their ass, they say "wheels" that grip, meaning that you'd actually have to have more than one wheel with traction in order for the system to work.)

Edu.G The vehicles compared in this test are all in the same price bracket. Comparing a Subaru to an Audi or Benz in terms of capability is a huge compliment to the Subaru, considering the price difference.

Clay Grenier Definitely funny kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIPTdXWwe6t8Z8k How I wish we could have a Subaru Forester on this demonstration How legitimate this test is I don't know ,but on the basis of assumption that it has a level playing field for all car competitors. I would really want to Know how it performs

Clay Grenier kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaPIq6FsqM1sf6s I wish we could see some German cars put to shame in such a video It's definitely always good to compete with others who are above you Where i come from German cars get a lot of credit and I doubt their 4WHD capabilities

That is a pretty interesting test to be sure, however in the snow there are more variables at play than just the AWD. (although the AWD is a massive part) What kind and type of tires will play a huge factor. The weight of the car and wheelbase will also factor in, especially on the slalom test. The Audi and BMW use the full time AWD system (like the Subaru) and the Benz 4matic is a part time, likely why it seemed to struggle a bit more. In these particular tests it would have been cool to have a Subaru involved, however the Legacy would be more comparable to the cars in this test than the Forester.

Clay Grenier I will definitely buy a Subaru

They simulate 0 traction at the wheel. Dyno's measure horsepower and torque at the wheels. This test measures the vehicles ability to move forward if only one rear tire has traction. And here's a fun fact about dynos... if the vehicle moves forward, you have a big problem. So how is the vehicle supposed to propel itself forward if it's not going to move on a dyno? hmm....

In your mind, you are clearly incapable of understanding what the test is demonstrating. Try reading some of my replies above and educate yourself.

The lengths of the cars has nothing to do with what this test is demonstrating. You don't seem capable of grasping it so let me explain it to you. The test is demonstrating how different AWD systems transfer torque to different wheels when certain wheels have 0 traction (which is the purpose of the rollers, to simulate a 0 traction scenario) It also demonstrates that certain AWD systems can, and others cannot generate enough torque at a single wheel to move the vehicle forward, when the other 3 have 0 traction. The length of the vehicle has absolutely no effect on what this test is demonstrating. Length of the vehicle, and more specifically the wheelbase will change the dynamics of a vehicle in terms of stability vs. agility (longer = more stability and shorter = greater agility). But thank you for the very well thought out comment. I look forward to more. Cheers!

chapmanmerchant the wheels all day on the rollers

Probably yes. Traction control is great for keeping you on the highway, bad for situations where more torque is beneficial and some slipping is okay.

Math/ Think... none of the vehicles presented in this video were standard. Trim level to trim level the Crosstrek is in the same price range as the other 2.

as noted in the description!

would that have made a difference? I'm asking because I plan on getting a car and CX-3 is one of the candidates.

Yes, traction control is actually pretty bad for these types of situations. Great for highways, crap for crawling/getting unstuck.

Cheers, Teddy!

Some ppl have their butt hurt lol

Mazda on road not bad but subaru semi off road awd

Norm, Any journalist magazine will have their opinions about which vehicle is best and which is worst. And yes, this particular article, does not place the Subaru very high. However, this is one article. There are for more out there that place the Subaru at or near the top. You cannot take one sample and call it fact. You need to look at the whole picture Normy, and when you do, you'll see that their are more car journalist articles with the Subaru at or near the top, then at or near the bottom.

Clay Grenier Funny you seem to like CR for their rankings. I think the customer ranks the Subaru higher than it should be and the journalist follow as you can't money going against the flow. But then there is Mazda which no journalist disses and it's sales still drop with the lowest rentention rate in thr industry. Subaru has grown too fast and is caught in a number of tsb's and recalls. Almost like the customer is their paid beta tester.

Norm, the difference with CR is that they will give you stats, along with their rankings. fuel economy numbers, cargo an interior space numbers, acceleration numbers, emergency avoidance test numbers. They even give you reliability numbers based on actual customer complaints and categorizes them by type, (mechanical, electrical etc.) Numbers aren't opinions. It's not i liked the mazda because of opinion, opinion, opinion, or i didn't like the mazda because of opinion, opinion, opinion. If customers like their Subaru's then would that not mean they are good vehicles? All vehicles have the occasional recall, and it would be a falsity to say Subaru has any more than anyone else. If they are such bad vehicles, why are 96% of them sold in the last 10 years still on the road today? That's a stat no domestic can touch,

Norm T Is all you can do is bash on anything non-domestic? You are literally spending so much time of your life to bash on a video trying to compare 2 vehicles. You act as you know a lot but you just seem to know your way around the search bar. Your arguments and opinions sometimes make me laugh as a buick can actually be the best car in it's class. Keep dreaming like how you go around everywhere to bash your arguments like a cult following. Makes me sad to see people like you regurgitating information everywhere and just ruining the image of enthusiasts or just general consumers. It's your opinion to say whatever but you are exactly arguing like the people who believe vaccines cause autism. If 1 source says so to my view, then it must be true.

mystichisoka2 If they did over hype delivered I wouldn't have a problem as most cars perform as they should. But sometimes they don't and I have no problem calling them out, nor the people that are incorrect in supporting them. If it is a duck, I call it as it is a duck. Hard to argue with that.

It does work with the wheel turned. If you listen to the presenter (Mazda employee btw.) he even states that with a bit more throttle the crosstrek would climb. We literally had this conversation a few comments back, but since short be thy memory and ignorant be thy brain i shall take the time to explain it to you once again. Because the Subaru is a full time AWD, when the wheels are cranked to one direction, the system allows the inside tires additional slip (as they have to travel a shorter distance than the outside wheels) This prevents the bucking and skipping sensation that occurs otherwise (like in a 4x4 truck). The Mazda uses predictive measures (one of them being cranked wheels) to pre-engage the AWD system, and as such, required less throttle to make the climb. Maybe take notes this time so you don't forget :) And if we want to talk about power and torque.. name a domestic that makes the power or torque of a WRX Sti on 4cylinder engine. (Yes the Focus RS makes 350hp, but they have had block cracking and failure issues to the point it's already being discontinued after the 18 model year, so thats hardly a decent example) Enjoy your kool-aid Norm!

Clay Grenier The RS had the Mustang 2.3T head gasket installed as they have a different head. Either a supplier mix up or install. Not design flaw like a oil consumption in Subaru's. The WRX is a kids car with STi wing with flapping side windows that resemble add-ons on a golf cart. Older camparison of wrx and sti. www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-comparison-tests/reviews/a6306/2015-subaru-wrx-vs-sti/

Either way, the RS is gone after 2018. If it was super fantastic they wouldn't kill it off after 2 years. The oil consumption in Subaru's (now non existent in modern ones) was simply using too light of oil (to increase fuel economy) in an engine initially designed for heavier oil. If your older Subaru is consuming oil, use heavier oil. problem solved in most cases. Norm. the WRX and STi are absolutely fantatsic sports cars that offer reasonable practicality for the performance. Not to mention you can dive them in the snow, rain, gravel, dirt whatever, and they are always awesome. I agree the large wing is a bit boy-racer, and arguable immature. WRX don't have the wing, and the STi's have the no cost option to remove it. So if you don't like the wing, get one without. The comparison you gave illustrates how far the boxer has come in terms of development. The WRX engine was replaced in 2015 with the FA20, while the STI still runs on the old EJ257 (in need of an update to be sure). So yes the WRX makes torque quicker and carries peak for longer. It should, the engine is almost 10 year newer. What that article doesn't tell you is how conservative Subaru has tuned that new FA20. It is purposely held back (runs primarily off knock sensing and pulls timing) to not overstep that old EJ257. You can even run regular fuel in the WRX. That is how held back these things are. A simple reflash of the ECU and running on proper 94 octane fuel puts the HP numbers on this little 2.0L at almost 300. There are guys making 500awhp on stock blocks! It's a shame the market is all about fuel economy, green and electric.

Clay Grenier The Impreza is not a sports car but an economy and from sport. They add hp and awd and it makes a light weight tin box. Don't get me started on how great thr XV is either as it is a cuahy, slow and getting slower with age. None of the Subaru's are sports cars and none of them are luxury. They all are tinny, underpowered with CVT transmission that makes the engine rpms zing. They are more ultiatarian than they are luxury.

www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a26079/seven-fast-cars-that-got-slower-when-redesigned/?src=socialflowFBRAT

CHR is FWD only. not really in same class.

Cheers GT2026! Hope you enjoy the Crosstrek for years to come!

Hey GT2026, Our family is looking at the Crosstrek and it keeps coming to the top of the list in the class. I know that the car is a great one, but do you have any inside tips on what you don't like with it? Are there any cons right now for you? Thanks!

Hello Dr Leong Even though it is mostly only my wife and I who are passengers in our car now because our two children are adults and mostly find their own mode of transport, I clearly remember the aspects of a car that made our family comfortable and the driver (me) happy. Seeing that you asked about the cons, I'll start by addressing them first. The first con is luggage space. This is not storage for things like drink bottles, phones, iPads, tablets or books as the Subaru has space for those. This is about the space behind the back seat. For day to day family use, the space is adequate for family items such as a stroller, backpacks, sporting equipment, small bags or grocery shopping. For a family trip involving larger bags and possibly some camping or other large items, you'd need to scrutinise what is being packed and choose items diligently. There's always the option to purchase a cargo storage container that attaches to the roof rails. The second con is torque. The Subaru's acceleration is more than adequate for driving around city/suburban streets but I recently took the car on a trip that included steep mountain highways. The car had to work to match the speed of accompanying traffic when on fairly substantial inclines. Engine power appeared to not be efficiently transferred to the wheels. Engine revs consequently increased and interior noise was noticeably greater but it still didn't interfere with conversations or listening to music. The only other compact SUV that I investigated that exceeded the Subaru in the areas of luggage space and power/torque and came close in other aspects was the Mazda CX-5. They are the only Subaru XV/Crosstrek cons that I believe would impact on a family's and driver's enjoyment of being in and using the car. The positives far exceed the issues. For a family, the generous interior space, safety features, storage, air conditioning, visibility, audio system, comfortable seats, electronic/digital device support and leg room makes the Subaru an excellent choice. For a driver with a family in the car, the Subaru's excellent Eyesight system supports responsible driving practices, the adaptive cruise control adds security and safety, the visibility is excellent, the steering/acceleration/suspension make driving a pleasure, sat nav is easy to use, voice recognition and cabin lay out make controls easy to access, high ground clearance and X Mode adds confidence for off road experiences and, finally, the car looks great. I hope this helps.

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