Looks like it is going to be a fantastic little camp. Comfortable and warm. Looking forward to watching it progress.
@kiblerjim14 күн бұрын
Glad you had a good experience Patrick
@poppy.fishing16 күн бұрын
How about Saltlick retreat?
@douglaughner831218 күн бұрын
I've never loaded a ball without powder but I have got my powder soaked and needed to use a ball puller
@oldrover3007Ай бұрын
Great Video , thanks for sharing your years of Wisdom and experience with us it goes a long way. I do plan to purchase a Woodsrunner Kit when funds allow . So I’m watching as many videos as I can to learn as much as I can. I haven’t heard a bad word about Jim since I started looking at his products . I’m like forward to building something I can be Proud of . Thanks again Sir .
@clarkbono1892 ай бұрын
you remind me of my great great Uncle Popwho passed when I was 5 in 1970. going to subscribe and follow th progress.
@archangel200314 ай бұрын
The skills to design and build a high quality reliable flintlock is lacking. I've seen many a poorly placed flash hole. And when I was younger (back in the 1980's) black powder was the norm, but these days it needs to be special ordered, and Pyrodex is EVERYWHERE!
@archangel200314 ай бұрын
In my prepping plans, I bought guns and ammo, reloading supplies and all the support equipment to reload, but the chemicals needed for making primers, good reliable primers is not easy and can't be scratched together from nature like black powder can be made. So, my last rifle that I still need to get will be a good quality flintlock, because when all the ammo, primers and modern gunpowder runs out, that flintlock will still be shooting!
@emandejnozka13695 ай бұрын
Thanks, Patrick.
@johnndavis76475 ай бұрын
I use a spray bottle filled with 91% alcohol to clean my barrel between relays when I shoot matches. It removes oil and it cuts fouling pretty well. It dries really fast leaving no residue. And it's cheap. I feel sorry for people who can't get real black powder. Pyrodex can be made to work in percussion rifles. It works best in percussion revolvers and under-hammer rifles where the fire only has to travel a short distance and goes directly into the charge. For a fast follow-up shot, I like to keep a few mini-ball design bullets in my bag. They load quick and easy and they shoot to point of aim out to 50 yards in my rifle. Thanks for the video. You make many good points.
@PatrickJCameron5 ай бұрын
It just plain works! Wether you get it in a mason jar or at the drug store or liquor retail outlet. It just plain works.
@GaryPatterson-c3h5 ай бұрын
Good stuff sir.
@jackswenson60045 ай бұрын
I enjoyed your video. I have to comment on what you said about condensation though. Everyone has their own experience, and this is mine. A number of years ago I went hunting on a cold winter day with my Lyman Great Plains percussion rifle. On my way to my stand I saw a buck, took a shot and missed. I reloaded and continued to hunt. When I came back to the house that evening, leaving the rifle loaded, I hung it back where I keep it, hanging on the fireplace mantel above the fireplace, with a fire going. The rifle remained there for a week, until I took it out on another hunt. As I walked to my stand I spied an 8 point buck, drew a bead, pulled the trigger, and pop. All that fired was the cap. It spooked the buck, he ran a short ways and stopped. I put on another cap, pulled the trigger, and just a pop again. The buck jumped, but didn't run as far this time. I put on another cap, pulled the trigger, and pop again. This time the buck just looked up, and went about eating, casually, eventually walking into the brush out of view. I went on to my tree stand. When I got there I unscrewed the nipple and poured a little powder in the touch hole, replaced the nipple and recapped. After a while I see the buck walking towards my tree. I drew a bead and just a pop again. I'm really frustrated now. I walked back to the house and pulled the ball. When I pointed the muzzle down no powder came out. Did I dryball or what? I wound up putting the barrel into a bathtub full of hot water and running the ramrod in and out until finally a black cloud came pouring out of the barrel. So the only conclusion I can draw is that bringing a loaded cold rifle into a warm house and hanging it above the fireplace, enough condensation formed inside the bore to soak the powder. When it dried it turned into a solid cake that would not ignite, or even pour. Just what I experienced.
@PatrickJCameron5 ай бұрын
I have been giving your experience many hours of thought. In order for condensation to form on the steel and powder, It has to come into direct exposure to the warm moist air inside the house. The heat from the fireplace should have evaporated any tiny amount of moisture that might have come into contact via the hole in the nipple. It would take a large amount of condensation to turn the entire load into a large solid mass. The load does get packed to some extent when you seat the ball. Removing the nipple and pouring a tiny amount of powder in the touch hole should have eliminated any possible problem. Did carbon build up in the nipple cause a problem, blocking the ignition from the cap? This is an unusual experience.
@jackswenson60045 ай бұрын
@@PatrickJCameron I agree with everything you said, however I was just relaying what happened to me. As I said, I did unscrew the nipple and pour in a little powder, screwed the nipple back, capped it, still to no avail. When I finally pulled the ball back at the house, I could not pour powder out, even after hitting it with the ramrod. It took soaking the barrel in hot water in the bathtub for a few minutes to finally get a black cloud to start pouring out the muzzle. We know that we get ignition when loading with pellets rather than loose powder. You would think that solidified black powder should be no different from pellets? In addition to my muzzle loader, I have brought other rifles into a warm house after a hunt on cold days and had condensation form on them as well. Was condensation what caused my powder to solidify and not fire? I can't say for sure, but, right or wrong, it was my only logical explanation at the time.
@tonyenglish51536 ай бұрын
Good advice and information. Thanks for sharing.
@donfullbright84686 ай бұрын
Nice explanation
@damonbradley80566 ай бұрын
Hi Patrick, care to share some information on the rifle on the wall behind you?
@PatrickJCameron6 ай бұрын
That is a 54 cal southern mountain rifle built by John Bergmann of Granville Tenn. Hope to take a turkey with it some day.
@bgurtek6 ай бұрын
It's not "slide ruler". It's "slide rule".
@PatrickJCameron6 ай бұрын
You are correct. It has been 50 years since i used one.
@galenhisler3966 ай бұрын
Jim kibler longrifles are awesome! I have a colonial in 58cal and a woodsrunner in 54cal i love them . And he's coming out with a fowler in 16 and 20 ga. Anytime now can't wait! Anyway great gun hope to see you make smoke 🤠
@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods6 ай бұрын
Very good video. I do get tired of people over complicating flintlocks
@duybear40237 ай бұрын
I used pyrodex when I first started. In my defense, I have a Thompson Center Firestorm and the user manual specifically says pyrodex (and even pellets) are good to use. In the beginning, I basically did everything the user manual said. I've grown out of the pyrodex phase, especially now that I'm advanced enough to make my own black powder.
@duybear40237 ай бұрын
Oh, and don't mind the Thompson Center Firestorm. My next goal for growth is building something more traditional from a kit, like Kibler's. I've never done that before so the journey of learning continues.
@duybear40237 ай бұрын
Thanks for the advice! I started my flintlock journey not long ago and seeing this video sooner could have saved me a lot of frustration and profanity. I spent my first year just focused on reliability; I didn't even care about accuracy. Now I'm experienced enough to confirm what you're saying and agree with you.
@davidscroggins58537 ай бұрын
I do the same thing that I did in the military my drill sergeant taught me all the way back in 1978 Dawn dishwashing liquid and it's hot water as you can stand and you scrub that barrel until you think it's clean then you do it a little bit more you run patch after patch after patch through that barrel until it is dry that's how I do all my rifles black powder all the way up to an AR which is a dirty word I know
@johnbell39947 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this! As a Canadian, how hard is it to get black powder? Always considered getting one, but worried it would be hard to get the powder.
@shadetreemech290Ай бұрын
Make your own. There's videos on the internet.
@TheWoodlandEscape7 ай бұрын
Good stuff, Pat. Keep them coming.
@johncaster80377 ай бұрын
Thank you Patrick!
@johncaster80377 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your SMR kit thoughts! Beautiful heirloom to pass on!
@nigelkavanagh20487 ай бұрын
Great vid sir! And I have to say Jim kibler's rifles are without dought beautiful works of art!
@danh9667 ай бұрын
Your rifle is beautiful, and I am especially in love with how gorgeous the wood stock looks. I want mine to look just as nice. You mentioned you used "Jim Chambers oil finish". Did you just buy the 3-piece finish kit (Antique wood stain, Barrel brown & degreaser, and stock finish oil)? Thank you.
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
Yes. That is the kit that I purchased. All the products are EASY to use and produce great results. WEAR GLOVES when staining! t takes days to get it off your hands.
@danh9667 ай бұрын
Thank you for your fast response, and tip on the gloves. Once again, your rifle is beautiful.
@jerryakins16227 ай бұрын
I’m with you all the way ! Wise words indeed ! I’ve just got only one thing to criticize. And that’s the remark “I’ve never had a misfire “ ! Well let’s be honest how do we find out what works and what doesn’t ? As I was learning I’ve had a lot of them and now I’ve got very few. And ya I do a lot of shooting and take my flints to the bitter end and on my range I get to the end of them and I know it’s time to change it. Thanks for the good presentation, well done. 👍😃
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
All I can say it that I am super careful and serious when I do load my gun and make sure to keep my powder dry. BECAUSE, I could not take spending three days to call in a turkey and not have my gun go off OR endless days deer hunting, only to not have my gun go off. I have found a method that works for me and I am very strict on it. I am hunting turkey in Maine the end of the month. (10 hour drive and hundreds of dollars) then on to Ontario and more hundreds of dollars then 1000 miles back home. You bet I am careful and serious when loading my gun.
@trevorfitzgerald49967 ай бұрын
Great looking rifles, love to have one .
@453421abcdefg123457 ай бұрын
Wise words indeed! But of course they would be because you know very well what you are talking about. One very important aspect of long term storage is that many people make the mistake of storing a firearm muzzle up, this allows oil to drain down the vertical barrel and seep into the stock, it also allows the oil to congeal around the touch hole/nipple and prevent reliable ignition, if the firearm is stored muzzle down this does not become a problem, I have seen many good rifles returned from hot climate countries,(India/Africa), with the head of the stock so soaked with oil the wood has become soft. I look forward to many more of your videos! Chris B.
@453421abcdefg123457 ай бұрын
Very well observed Patrick, I did consider the Southern Mountain rifle with 2 calibre barrels, because these barrels are CNC profiled they will interchange without problems, so you could just buy another barrel and bore it out to 20 bore without problem, then just change the barrels as required. Stay safe! Chris B.
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
Good point. Don't know if there is enough meat at the narrow/waist of the swamped barrel for .620 bore. Would have to check with a custom barrel maker to get solid advice on max bore dia. that would be safe.
@453421abcdefg123457 ай бұрын
@@PatrickJCameron I did not know it was a swamped barrel, what is the minimum across the flat dimension of the barrel ? That would not be at a point of maximum pressure for the 20 bore, but I was thinking that you could just drop the smoothbore barrel into your rifle stock. if you measure a 12 bore barrel the muzzle end is only .060"thick. Good luck! Chris B.
@453421abcdefg123457 ай бұрын
I have just measured my swamped barrel and the narrowest section is .770" AF so at that distance from the breach it should be OK, it may be a little weak to support the muzzle section though. Chris B.
@duaneharshaw20807 ай бұрын
good information....from Alberta
@bbainter78807 ай бұрын
I've had condensation all over a centerfire rifle when it was kept in a truck in -10F temps all night and then brought inside, otherwise I agree with you - it's a rare enough problem to not really have to worry about it.
@shihanjulio7 ай бұрын
What did you have to do to get the patch box cover to "click"? My cover seems to fit but it doesn't click locked in place. Thanks for any advice.
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
it is IMPORTANT for you to know how close you are to making it click. A piece of paper is supposed to be 3 thousandths of an inch think. You are NOT that far off. If you tap the button with the handle of a screwdriver it will likely click. YOU ARE THAT CLOSE!. Ethan at I love muzzleloading shows how he addressed this issue on one of his latest Kibler Woodsrunner video easier than I can explain it. Basically one way is to dress the closing/locking edge on the spring with a file. A very fine file. One or two swipes at a time. Keeping the locking edge crisp and square. As if you were cleaning up a burr on the edge even if there is none there.
@shihanjulio7 ай бұрын
@@PatrickJCameron Thank you, I'll give it a try.
@shadetreemech2907 ай бұрын
My woods runner was the same way. They all are like that at first. The kits are just that precise. Go slow, you don't want to overdo it.
@rodsvintagesxschannel.30957 ай бұрын
What was total cost of kit to your door? Im also in province
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
My cost was approximately $1900.00 Canadian. including exchange, shipping and taxes.
@rodsvintagesxschannel.30957 ай бұрын
@@PatrickJCameron thanks for that. But i assume there are options for wood and fitting materials/ brass/iron. Id be interested in the southern mountain rifle kit he sells. In cherrywood in 45 caliber. .currently have an Italian 45 kentucky rifle in 45 and like the 45 calibers.
@edthompson72237 ай бұрын
Very nice job Patrick on that Flint lock . getting ready to start a S.M.R. from Kibler. I will take your advice on patients and take my time . And when you talked about the Grand kids ending up getting your guns . I smiled because I feel the same way .Thanks for the video and Happy Trials
@RobertLyon-o9z7 ай бұрын
Hi Patrick so I Ordered Kibler Kit and they offered an extra special stock with total figuring in it with carving it’s a bit expensive but I believe it will be worth it I built my first Muzzle loader in the later 70’s when Ontario introduced black powder season for deer and there were no guns to buy I have been shooting a Savage In-line with Rifle powder and have taken Deer Bear Turkey. Now I am switching to a flintlock? BTW nice ring which lodge?
@RobertLyon-o9z7 ай бұрын
Doric 424 Ajax Ontario……… I am picking mine up in May so I can get the Iron Nitrate and finishing products. I am looking forward to building it out. A few years ago I got a Boyle thumbhole laminate stock for May savage and had it bedded, since then I have shot running deer at 204M and 138M. Accurate beyond belief.
@trevorfitzgerald49967 ай бұрын
They look fantastic, give my eye teeth to get one. I have watched most of videos on Kibler rifles. Jim does an incredible job on them. One day some how, i will like one. I know here a firearm needs to be sent to a gunshop and the police told me no problems just need a form from them so it looks like problems are on your end.
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
Really no problems on this end. It is extra easy and simple to get a kibler flintlock shipped to Canada but some people just have not had the chance to explore the process. I have shipped several flintlocks to Canada and crossed the border with flintlocks dozens of times with no issues whatsoever. The second video explains the Canadian connections without boring Americans friends to death. Thanks for the comment.
@stephenfields62367 ай бұрын
For the fellow who wants to hold a Woods Runner before buying one ,should attend some black powder gun shows or historical event , and handle one there. They are everywhere now!
@stevemyers76987 ай бұрын
About 40 years ago I used to shoot competitions. I’m now 72yo and wanting to get back into black powder. I’m torn on the woods runner, and the southern mountain rifle, I love the woods runner but I like the iron furniture and set trigger. But I think I will drop the hammer real soon. Thank you.
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
It is a tough decision for the very reasons you mention. The identical composition of the woodsrunner to the original is a strong consideration. The woods runner is done on a different CNC machine and it a more complete assembly, requiring less work. 7-1/2 pounds. The 39 3/4 inch barrel is pretty handy. I would guess the trigger on my gun breaks at about 2.5 pounds. The brass will develop its own patina quick enough. Good luck with your decision.
@stevemyers76987 ай бұрын
@@PatrickJCameron the kit is about 10 x more than the last one I built in the 80s, but from all I’ve seem the quality is 100x better from Kibler, I think I’m going to just do it, I’m not getting any younger.
@shadetreemech2907 ай бұрын
@@PatrickJCameron I just finished my Woods Runner and made it with the Southern Ohio Artisan Workshop. The guy next to me did a Southern Mt. riffle. And I have also taken a tour of the factory given by Jim Kibler himself. And I can confirm the above posting. The Woods Runner is made on a more modern machine and consequently requires less work and just fits better. But, if you like the SMR then by all means go with it. You won't regret it. I chose the WR because my gun is going to be a deer hunter and the WR is more suited to that purpose.
@FuManchu-wg8sz7 ай бұрын
Thanks, this was just what I've been looking for all the info I need.
@johnrickard49447 ай бұрын
Great review on the woodsrunner. Iam on the fence also. If i was to order this gun i would get the carved version in 50 ca. The main thing thats holding me back is if it fits me. Iam 6 foot tall and weigh 155 lb. with long arms. I have the traditions Pennsylvania witch i love the looks of it with all of the brass inlays but it just doesn't fit me very good very uncomfortable to shoot. Sure wish i could fine someone in S E wisconsin that had one that i could hold.
@PatrickJCameron7 ай бұрын
I am also 6 feet tall but a touch over 200 pounds. I find the rifle fits very well. The 54 cal will be a hair lighter than the 50 cal. The swamped barrel certainly makes a big difference in the balance of the gun.
@sasquatch8857 ай бұрын
I put together a Woodsrunner in 50 cal and walnut stock. Working on a 45 cal SMR now. Also in walnut.
@shadetreemech2907 ай бұрын
I too am 6'2" and thin and I just finished my Woods Runner. It fits me pretty well. But, my Tompson Center really fits me well. It just has a longer stock. I hope this helps.