Kibler Woodsrunner Kit

[@nigelkavanagh2048]

Great vid sir! And I have to say Jim kibler's rifles are without dought beautiful works of art!

[@stevemyers7698]

About 40 years ago I used to shoot competitions. I’m now 72yo and wanting to get back into black powder. I’m torn on the woods runner, and the southern mountain rifle, I love the woods runner but I like the iron furniture and set trigger. But I think I will drop the hammer real soon. Thank you.

[@PatrickJCameron]

It is a tough decision for the very reasons you mention. The identical composition of the woodsrunner to the original is a strong consideration. The woods runner is done on a different CNC machine and it a more complete assembly, requiring less work. 7-1/2 pounds. The 39 3/4 inch barrel is pretty handy. I would guess the trigger on my gun breaks at about 2.5 pounds. The brass will develop its own patina quick enough. Good luck with your decision.

[@stevemyers7698]

@@PatrickJCameron the kit is about 10 x more than the last one I built in the 80s, but from all I’ve seem the quality is 100x better from Kibler, I think I’m going to just do it, I’m not getting any younger.

[@shadetreemech290]

@@PatrickJCameron I just finished my Woods Runner and made it with the Southern Ohio Artisan Workshop. The guy next to me did a Southern Mt. riffle. And I have also taken a tour of the factory given by Jim Kibler himself. And I can confirm the above posting. The Woods Runner is made on a more modern machine and consequently requires less work and just fits better. But, if you like the SMR then by all means go with it. You won't regret it. I chose the WR because my gun is going to be a deer hunter and the WR is more suited to that purpose.

[@clarkbono189]

you remind me of my great great Uncle Popwho passed when I was 5 in 1970. going to subscribe and follow th progress.

[@oldrover3007]

Great Video , thanks for sharing your years of Wisdom and experience with us it goes a long way. I do plan to purchase a Woodsrunner Kit when funds allow . So I’m watching as many videos as I can to learn as much as I can. I haven’t heard a bad word about Jim since I started looking at his products . I’m like forward to building something I can be Proud of . Thanks again Sir .

[@johncaster8037]

Thank you for sharing your SMR kit thoughts! Beautiful heirloom to pass on!

[@453421abcdefg12345]

Very well observed Patrick, I did consider the Southern Mountain rifle with 2 calibre barrels, because these barrels are CNC profiled they will interchange without problems, so you could just buy another barrel and bore it out to 20 bore without problem, then just change the barrels as required. Stay safe! Chris B.

[@PatrickJCameron]

Good point. Don't know if there is enough meat at the narrow/waist of the swamped barrel for .620 bore. Would have to check with a custom barrel maker to get solid advice on max bore dia. that would be safe.

[@453421abcdefg12345]

@@PatrickJCameron I did not know it was a swamped barrel, what is the minimum across the flat dimension of the barrel ? That would not be at a point of maximum pressure for the 20 bore, but I was thinking that you could just drop the smoothbore barrel into your rifle stock. if you measure a 12 bore barrel the muzzle end is only .060"thick. Good luck! Chris B.

[@453421abcdefg12345]

I have just measured my swamped barrel and the narrowest section is .770" AF so at that distance from the breach it should be OK, it may be a little weak to support the muzzle section though. Chris B.

[@trevorfitzgerald4996]

They look fantastic, give my eye teeth to get one. I have watched most of videos on Kibler rifles. Jim does an incredible job on them. One day some how, i will like one. I know here a firearm needs to be sent to a gunshop and the police told me no problems just need a form from them so it looks like problems are on your end.

[@PatrickJCameron]

Really no problems on this end. It is extra easy and simple to get a kibler flintlock shipped to Canada but some people just have not had the chance to explore the process. I have shipped several flintlocks to Canada and crossed the border with flintlocks dozens of times with no issues whatsoever. The second video explains the Canadian connections without boring Americans friends to death. Thanks for the comment.

[@galenhisler396]

Jim kibler longrifles are awesome! I have a colonial in 58cal and a woodsrunner in 54cal i love them . And he's coming out with a fowler in 16 and 20 ga. Anytime now can't wait! Anyway great gun hope to see you make smoke 🤠

[@emandejnozka1369]

Thanks, Patrick.

[@danh966]

Your rifle is beautiful, and I am especially in love with how gorgeous the wood stock looks. I want mine to look just as nice. You mentioned you used "Jim Chambers oil finish". Did you just buy the 3-piece finish kit (Antique wood stain, Barrel brown & degreaser, and stock finish oil)? Thank you.

[@PatrickJCameron]

Yes. That is the kit that I purchased. All the products are EASY to use and produce great results. WEAR GLOVES when staining! t takes days to get it off your hands.

[@danh966]

Thank you for your fast response, and tip on the gloves. Once again, your rifle is beautiful.

[@stephenfields6236]

For the fellow who wants to hold a Woods Runner before buying one ,should attend some black powder gun shows or historical event , and handle one there. They are everywhere now!

[@donfullbright8468]

Nice explanation

[@johnbell3994]

Thanks for posting this! As a Canadian, how hard is it to get black powder? Always considered getting one, but worried it would be hard to get the powder.

[@shadetreemech290]

Make your own. There's videos on the internet.

[@shihanjulio]

What did you have to do to get the patch box cover to "click"? My cover seems to fit but it doesn't click locked in place. Thanks for any advice.

[@PatrickJCameron]

it is IMPORTANT for you to know how close you are to making it click. A piece of paper is supposed to be 3 thousandths of an inch think. You are NOT that far off. If you tap the button with the handle of a screwdriver it will likely click. YOU ARE THAT CLOSE!. Ethan at I love muzzleloading shows how he addressed this issue on one of his latest Kibler Woodsrunner video easier than I can explain it. Basically one way is to dress the closing/locking edge on the spring with a file. A very fine file. One or two swipes at a time. Keeping the locking edge crisp and square. As if you were cleaning up a burr on the edge even if there is none there.

[@shihanjulio]

@@PatrickJCameron Thank you, I'll give it a try.

[@shadetreemech290]

My woods runner was the same way. They all are like that at first. The kits are just that precise. Go slow, you don't want to overdo it.

[@johnrickard4944]

Great review on the woodsrunner. Iam on the fence also. If i was to order this gun i would get the carved version in 50 ca. The main thing thats holding me back is if it fits me. Iam 6 foot tall and weigh 155 lb. with long arms. I have the traditions Pennsylvania witch i love the looks of it with all of the brass inlays but it just doesn't fit me very good very uncomfortable to shoot. Sure wish i could fine someone in S E wisconsin that had one that i could hold.

[@PatrickJCameron]

I am also 6 feet tall but a touch over 200 pounds. I find the rifle fits very well. The 54 cal will be a hair lighter than the 50 cal. The swamped barrel certainly makes a big difference in the balance of the gun.

[@sasquatch885]

I put together a Woodsrunner in 50 cal and walnut stock. Working on a 45 cal SMR now. Also in walnut.

[@shadetreemech290]

I too am 6'2" and thin and I just finished my Woods Runner. It fits me pretty well. But, my Tompson Center really fits me well. It just has a longer stock. I hope this helps.

[@rodsvintagesxschannel.3095]

What was total cost of kit to your door? Im also in province

[@PatrickJCameron]

My cost was approximately $1900.00 Canadian. including exchange, shipping and taxes.

[@rodsvintagesxschannel.3095]

@@PatrickJCameron thanks for that. But i assume there are options for wood and fitting materials/ brass/iron. Id be interested in the southern mountain rifle kit he sells. In cherrywood in 45 caliber. .currently have an Italian 45 kentucky rifle in 45 and like the 45 calibers.

[@edthompson7223]

Very nice job Patrick on that Flint lock . getting ready to start a S.M.R. from Kibler. I will take your advice on patients and take my time . And when you talked about the Grand kids ending up getting your guns . I smiled because I feel the same way .Thanks for the video and Happy Trials