if its the same pain then its likely to be an extinction burst. This is like being upset again about something that is ending or has ended. We can still be triggered. That spike could be 48 hours, 7-10 days, 4-6 weeks or 2-3 months, but just look at your skillset for dealing with this now. You dont need fear around the structure, youve got evidence that the pain is imroving, and got proof that youre recovering. Thisis a blip to be respected and see it as an opportunity to reset. If you hav eless fear of the pain itself that's great, but dont allow the fear to jump onto focusing on how good or bad you are at the process of recovery. that's just perfectionsism, self criticism or a sense of internal pressure. Allow yourself to be whereever you are and restart with what youve alreayd become good at. Your physiology sees you and it will follow your calmness.

You can recover from the symptoms of fibromyalgia.

Hi Janet. I know people who have recovered from sleep apnea. There issue was real. The body is an amazing piece of kit and can recover from much more than we can imagine. 😀

@@thepainhabit8343 And how did they do that? There are many kinds and mine is positional. A mouth guard hurt my jaw, couldn’t tolerate the cpap, and more. Would love to know.

@@janetfagan7536 hi Janet, seeing sleep apnea or any other symptom, pain or disease process as an end result means that there’s a process occurring before that symptoms appears. This doesn’t mean anyone is to blame for their symptom but rather than accepting it’s chance, genes or something they have to live with, there’s an openness to possibility for change. So if it’s the result of very stressful unconscious mechanisms that an individual had no choice or control of, but now are getting conscious and in control of, then the drivers of the symptoms lesson. If beliefs are part of those drivers, as well as actions, reactions, physical, psychological and emotional states, then controlling and regulating these can help create change in the only things an individual can control. Thoughts, beliefs, breathing, and movement - all chosen to take the body and mind to a state of rest and digest. Then stay curious and watch what happens to the resultant symptom that once was and change within it and from it is possible. The Way Out is a great place to start and there are many other recovery stories to explore, which may resonate with you if you do your research. Best wishes.

By relearning how to feel safe. There’s lots of research on how to do this. Look up neuroplastic pain. Pain reprocessing therapy is what this lady used but there are many options.

@@thepainhabit8343 do you have one on one coaching?

No. There is a wide range of therapeutic techniques for helping persistent pain. Look up Curable to get an idea of this kind of work.

Why Karim?

Would that simply create a false loop?

Hi Karim, it is not a mundane question, its a great one. It isn't the bath or any behaviour that is the problem. It is the intent with which it is approached and undertaken, that dictates the outcome. The intent of wanting to avoid the feeling, the pain, the moment or the circumstance present, is seen by the nervous system as the threat itself. That is what it is reacting to. It unconsciously reacts to its own reaction - conscious avoidance of the pain and any potential links to it. Being conscious of getting a bath and knowing that it is a safe thing to do and you're being compassionate, kind and representing that state whilst using an objectively warm and soothing circumstance to demonstrate that it is symbolically very powerful. The details of any behaviour are insignificant because if the intent is softly focused on authentic self-compassion, they'll bring a soothing effect.

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It places your body in the rest and digest state. This communicates to your primitive brain that you are safe. The more regularly you use this state, the calmer you feel. It becomes natural to feel calm.

Yes and they point to novel interventions for recovery.

@@thepainhabit8343 thank you!

@@ScottLilliI too have brutal pelvic pain 7 years ! Head to toe as well

And you can recover too. Keep the damaged discs but let go of the pain attached to them.

Yes. Any amplification of pain which is linked to certain conditions based on belief can be reduced without changing the structures or pathology through which the pain is experienced.

An online option is the Curable app. It explains the principles to follow in recovery from persistent pain.

Hi I've replied to you in more detail on the other comment. Kind regards Drew

Hi Natalie I’m sorry it’s been so hard for you and you obviously have a lot to deal with. I feel you would benefit from seeing a specialist in trauma therapy and not sure I have the right degree of expertise to be your first approach. I am open to new clients but it would depend on time zones and practicality if we were a good fit. Why don’t you explore the Pain Reprocessing Therapy website for a list of practitioners that you could consider initially. Regarding degenerative changes, whether these are found or not, they are not the cause of persistent pain, they just can appear in correlation with it. Pain can appear with degeneration and without it. Degeneration can appear with pain and without it. Because they may appear together in someone who believes one causes the other and is the only cause of their pain, is missing the opportunity to be open about other areas that they could see and possibly control.

Hi Di, yes inflammation is correlated with pain, but is isn't always causative with persistent pain. You have inflammation going on in your body all day long - but you don't have pain all day long. Yes you can have an inflammatory process with an acute injury or condition and have all the heat, swelling, redness and pain, that clinically confirms it and usually this is painful for three months. Beyond that time you can still have inflammation and ruling out sinister pathology linked to that inflammatory process and pain is vital. But once cancer, autoimmune conditions, infection or undiagnosed fracture are excluded, and the timeline suggest any trauma that occured has healed, if there was trauma at onset, then the brain and body, and the nervous system connecting them are the main suspects for ongoing persistent patterns of pain, rather than other circumstantial evidence that may or may not appear with pain.

Thanks for the link. It’s fascinating stuff isn’t it? 😀

Everybody has to arrive when they’re ready. It is hard to watch people suffer but I suppose our resistance to accept that as it is, is our suffering? It is what is it and we can offer our presence to the situation then see what happens. Keep going 👊🏻

Glad you enjoyed it!

Yes we’re biologically wired to first check for a physical cause. Once that’s been done and there’s no evidence of that, or any damage has been given time to heal, then ongoing pain is likely due to these mechanisms.

Hi Peiter, it's interesting isnt it? if the trauma was the cause then all spinal injuries should have persistent pain and if they don't that means there are other factors related to the pain other than the physical element. If you consider 1:5 people can get persistent pain with or without a structural element, there are more clues here to suggest its thoughts, feelings, emotions and behavioural reactions that influence pain. Some of these 1:5 with persistent pain have no objective trauma but somer others with a history physical trauma have no pain. So if we accept that a spinal trauma is objectively traumatic, and at least 1:5 could enter persistent pain without physical 'trauma' then i feel its the multiplication of object trauma plus the other factors influencing pain which means its a higher ratio in those with spinal injuries. Without a spinal injury, there's real opportunity to be encouraged that recovery is possible in many realms and i suppose with the definition of currently what is viewed as a permanent spinal injury, the viewpoint of what recovery looks like is narrower. Accessing friends, social life work, connecting with others, physical activity, sex and relationships - in the same way as before the injury is much more challenging and the peace those things brings us, with the balance to life which is gained through them, then losing access or finding them difficult, may explain why pain when it does appear, seems much harder to overcome. The good news is that a life free from persistent pain is possible, no matter what structure one believes is causative, and unchangeable, pain can always be changed.

Sorry i missed this message. I'll put up the recording in the group soon. cheers Drew

Wonderful!