That was an unanswer!

At least he is honest, when he says that he believes in Christian faith because it is what he was raised with and is the dominant belief system where he lives. If he was born in India, he would be a Hindu, which is proof that religion is based on nothing more than cultural and social reinforcement. There is nothing divine about it, anymore than there is anything divine about Judaism, Islam, or any of the other world religions.

Not sure how anyone would freely worship that nasty old dude, perhaps he uses fear to hold them in his spell 🤷

Thank you ☺️💕🪇❤

Zahnd is infuriating. Always presents a straw man, always misrepresents God. He’s a false teacher and has poisoned many minds. His God is not the God of the bible, it’s God as zahnd would like him to be. His explanation of the cross is total nonsense.

It works in the way you want it like god was thinking what you were thinking.😅

Perhaps another way to read the text is as a test.

When it comes to children and answers, you tell stories. There’s nothing wrong with telling your children stories. Know mythology. They hang onto mythologies, fairy stories. When your kid asks, “Where did God come from, you can honestly say, “I don’t know, but there are a lot of stories about that. Wanna hear one?” Christianity and Judaism have a book that has lots of great stories. It’s okay to tell them stories. Like Jonah-a great story about how to deal with people you don’t like. Or you can tell stories about Lugh-the God of Everything in Irish lore. Just tell kids stories. Just tell adults stories. Stories are terrific. We don’t have to KNOW, one of the nicest things you can do for your kids is teach them how to wonder.

I'm not sure the algorithm promoted this to me today. But by the time I get part-way through the "Why not be agnostic" part it, I'd had enough of your BS. I wrote a reply. It's too long for a TY comment. I should probably just do a stream.

Hey OTT thank you for sharing your thoughts and questions on the video.well worth the listen and watch

an honest and challenging conversation about the hard things in life OTT. forgiveness doesn't mean reconciliation and boundaries need to be set and there's the righteous anger thing justifing retribution and punishment to the offender or perpetrator -im not saying what I've written is right,for me forgiveness is the hardest thing to figure out or understand

1:05 BUT THAT'S ONLY DUE TO CHILDHOOD BRAINWASHING!!! If nobody was brainwashed as a child, as an adult they'd NEVER fall for that bullshit and religion would DIE!! The whole bible is fictional garbage!! NOBODY in the 30's AD in jerusalem ever reported even seeing a jesus, OR disciples, OR a ministry, OR miracles, OR any jesus crucified!!!! It was a FICTION story written in the 70's - 99 AD !!

Challenging the immutability of scripture is dangerous ground to walk on….

Excellent discussion with great recommendations. I can vouch for the Jewish Study Bible, and Peter Enns's book, How the Bible Actually Works, on display throughout the discussion. Thank you for a really inspirational conversation!

Thank you for sharing this video with us

Abortion is abomination

If Jesus is what God looks like, the EXACT representation, I don't think He commanded this at all. Now, they probably THOUGHT God commanded it!! The Bible shows us people's misunderstandings about who God is all over the place!! This is why in one place we see passages like this and in others we see the idea of swords being beaten into plowshares. All of this still goes on today, even after the nonviolent teachings of Jesus! People always think that God is telling them to go kill some people in the name of their "rightness" versus those other people's "wrongness", and, of course, God is ALWAYS on their side when doing it!! But if you stop the noise of worldly conditioning (things like tribalism), you can hear it clear as day.... "Love your neighbor. Love your enemies. Do not hit them if they hit you. Go with them two miles if they ask you to go one." The difference, I think, comes between alien ears and worldly ears. Worldly ears love violence. The kingdom of the world operates from a place of violence. As Toby Keith sang, "Oh, and justice will be served and the battle will rage, This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage, And you'll be sorry that you messed with The U.S. of A. Cause we'll put a boot in your ass, It's the American way." Indeed it is the American way, the worldly way, but it isn't the Kingdom of God Jesus way.

Many, many evils was done in the name of God and still is. Just watch any televangelist.

God’s word created life, and he has the right to take it, yes even babies. Babies are just like fully grown humans to him, we only are offended more because we are programmed to take care of them. To God a baby dying is the same as an adult. The entire nation that was wiped out was extremely sinful, and if allowed to continue God could see those babies would grow up and do the exact same sins. Therefore the entire nation was guilty, even the children

How do you trust if you have no basis for that trust?

“Well Pete, what do you believe?” and my answer was, “Well God, I haven’t the foggiest idea.” I’m there at the moment

Slavery, and drowning babies.

Countless genocidal attacks on men women and children detailed in the bible. How many mass murderings are commited by satan in the bible?

Evangelicals said, this year, that murder at God’s instruction is not sin…

What makes you think you don't deserve destruction and damnation?

Overall, the Bible may be the most violent book ever written. Especially if you accept ECT.

I think what's interesting is that people even make the argument that God is less violent in the NT compared to the OT. Have they not read Revelation? It is the literal destruction of all things other than those who are saved. The Earth and Universe itself

The is very little difference between the trinity and oneness. The primary difference is how someone defines the word 'person'. Most people who advocate for the trinity accept the definition of 'person' that allows for a 1:3 relationship between personhood and souls. Most people who reject the trinity do so because the very essence of their definition of 'person' is that there can ONLY be a 1:1 relationship between soul and person. It is impossible to convince someone who defines 'person' as a 1:1 relationship of that the term 'triune God' is not a prima facie contradiction. Both trinitarians and oneness agree that God is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Most oneness do not give special treatment to God the Father/Son/Holy Ghost over other relationships that God has with us like God the Healer, or God the Provider, or God of Peace, etc. Many trinitarians seem to elevate Father/Son/Holy Ghost above the rest of the relationships that God has with us. Most apologetics who debate the trinity waste a lot of time arguing issues that are not relevant to the actual disagreement. Most trinitarians and oneness agree on almost everything and use the same scriptures to make their points. The only three disagreements are 1) the definition of the word 'person'...which isn't even a biblical debate; 2) should Father/Son/Holy Ghost be treated different than other relationships; and 3) should baptism be in the name of the Father/Son/Holy Ghost (Jesus) or the titles of Father/Son/Holy Ghost.

Billions of people resurrected and then living to infinity?Why You Really Really Don't Want to Live Forever Brett Gallaher Huffington Post

Christians have long missed the point of the gospels. The hero is not Jesus, it's Pilate, who took a sensible decision to preserve the stability of Judaea and the authority of the Roman state in the face of a delusional cult leader who was going around telling everyone that the world was about to end.

Some interpretations of Total Depravity DO claim that it implies that man is inclined to behave as wickedly as possible all the time, as absurd as that is as an idea.

2Pe 1:16-21 We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory saying "This is my Son whom I love with him I am well pleased". We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain. And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it as to a light shining in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation for prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

I don't think that Jesus would think that casting stones is ever appropriate. He really lived his teaching on non judgement. It is very difficult for our cultural ego in this modern society to not cast that stone. Maybe each time we feel compelled to cast the stone that we are fully aware of that compulsion?

Really interesting discussion guys. Been a fan of the show for years and I hope you both are doing well, and I'm definitely looking forward to any episodes you two make in the future.

What is the reason for Ott # 84

You may have meant you a INTJ.

The writings of the church fathers, mothers and leaders i.e.. 'a Pete Enns' is, in my opinion, inspired works that can add to the Christian narrative in our times of understanding God's story for us.

Great conversation, some solid points.

amazing

Just so you know. Because you do not answer the question in your headline. Kyle did do the right thing.

Hebrews 6:4-6. It has long been used (or strongly implied) by my ex-church that this means anyone who once believed the truth they taught will be lost if they walk away from it. (It's also easy to see how any number of churches or denominations might use this text to spiritually imprison people.) I do NOT believe this, but this passage has made a tough road a lot more challenging, because every question can feel like God-alienating heresy. The overall stream of scripture and a growing understanding of how big and embracing God really IS have helped me not read this text in isolation, but I would still love to hear some good discussion on that passage.

Kill womens kids Born the cities Wiped out entire cities Wiped out 7 entire nations And after all Islam is terrorism

There is a thing called Inner Family Systems that describes her inner family system and how to heal our parts.

I want to meet with God in my own heart and then meet with God in Their heart. Me in Their heart felt a bit like my ketamine trip. No matter where we meet, the result is peace, joy, belonging, secure attachment.

Its great to see you two are back. :)

The Bible contains folklore and legend (Jonah in a "whale's" belly for 3 days).

Jason Brennan is just a troll.

THIS is REAL RELATIONSHIP! So far from RELIGION! The world NEEDS THIS!

44:30 i think this view is just deeply troubling. You would still have a child while you know that it is gonna die a horrific death at 40? I think that is basically like forcing someone else to take a poison that will kill them in 40 years from now. There is just no way you can justify something like that.

I want to say the same as teddy. I can't believe you guys don't get more views?!?! Your topics are awesome, and you are charitable and thoughtful and informed. Are you on other venues where you get more traffic?