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@HalSTFCServer
@HalSTFCServer 4 сағат бұрын
The 100 and 106 don’t hit their true torque curve until 2800-3000rpm
@HalSTFCServer
@HalSTFCServer 4 сағат бұрын
There are a ton of places to get Victory Parts. Witch doctors is an amazing resource. I bought my 4th victory recently 2012 Kingpin. 40k on the clock and runs like she’s new. Love these bikes. Super reliable. Super fun. And they just look amazing out the gate.
@SpicedRumFLHXSE
@SpicedRumFLHXSE 4 сағат бұрын
So he destroys one of the clips that keep the harness in place hahahaah great job ! Hahaha😊
@jameslakes5019
@jameslakes5019 10 сағат бұрын
😮 beautiful 175 nicely done
@d10dozerman2
@d10dozerman2 17 сағат бұрын
FYI... there are counterfeit Timken wheel bearing hubs on eBay.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 16 сағат бұрын
yes i know they counterfiet anything, but look for the Ebay authenticity guarantee and then ya good. and im cheap and not gonna spend $300 each, im just a deal finder and thats how i get by on do little money in my life lol ,they been on the truck 2 1/2 years and over 30k of towing and over 600 mile trip one way to Florida every month or so and thankfully still perfect, thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@CherezianRacing
@CherezianRacing 18 сағат бұрын
Your video helped me do my head gaskets greatly. What kind of clear did you use on the lights? And how have the lights held up 3 years later? Still crystal clear?
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 16 сағат бұрын
thats great and thanks for the feedback, I used Smart clear from local Finish Master automotive paint store and they still look great , on my wifes Hummer i did couple years ago one tail light is peeling a little at top ,but i only did one coat and two definitely help, and i didn't scuff or spray around the edge back side very well ,thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime and thank God my truck is still rolling along
@CherezianRacing
@CherezianRacing 14 сағат бұрын
@@Vassmotorsports ok thanks. I do enjoy your LLY and other automotive videos. Do you think i could get the same results using clear coat spray paint in a can?
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 13 сағат бұрын
@@CherezianRacing ive tried it before and believe it or not it kinda gives a slight yellowish tint even tho its supposed to be clear. not sure why and i definitely dont believe it will hold up as long, it was on one i was selling years ago
@AThomas-w4u
@AThomas-w4u Күн бұрын
Can you replace mind
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 16 сағат бұрын
what area are you even in ? im Gray Court SC
@AThomas-w4u
@AThomas-w4u 14 сағат бұрын
@@Vassmotorsports I’m in Arizona but moving back to Atlanta… man if I was still in Atlanta I would of drove it there
@matthewvaughn9631
@matthewvaughn9631 Күн бұрын
I need to borrow Jasper
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports Күн бұрын
he is a big help and always by my side 🤣🤣 thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of mine and Jasper's other videos sometime
@FixStuffDaily
@FixStuffDaily Күн бұрын
I stopped counting after 1,000 rounds in mine, only had 3 problems, all 3 with cheap steel case ammo, I really like mine even though it looks and feels dated these days.
@radvalve205
@radvalve205 4 күн бұрын
Good job, nice to see a old boat brought back to life!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 4 күн бұрын
thank you so much and Thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime, i love fixing and restoring things that other people just trash or scrap
@MJM1309
@MJM1309 4 күн бұрын
looks dangerous isn't there a propeller on the back of that boat.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 4 күн бұрын
yes but its way under the boat and special made just for wake surfing and water sports , definitely recommend with a standard outdrive or outboard boats. ,thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@Sidepiecepapi
@Sidepiecepapi 5 күн бұрын
Limp wrist
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 4 күн бұрын
doesnt matter how i shoot it ,it still jams , but i can hold any of my Glocks or Beretta and they never jam or malfunction thankfully, should be able to shoot a pistol "limp wristed" if want or need to cause never know what situation could be caught in. ,thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@royschultz1377
@royschultz1377 5 күн бұрын
Try a different magazine. I've got va 709 Slim, never had a feeding problem. Also, lifetime warranty...
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 4 күн бұрын
i tried an aftermarket mag and it wouldn't shoot 2 in a row so i sent it right back , I did call and they said they will cover it even tho im not original owner , have a Millennium Pro. 45 and its same way. , but they destroy them and send back a G2C because the law suit they have on the .45, i just haven't sent back yet, thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@royschultz1377
@royschultz1377 4 күн бұрын
@@Vassmotorsports Have had a couple of Taurus semi autos, never had a problem with any of them, except one was really picky on ammo
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 4 күн бұрын
@@royschultz1377 ive tried 6 different brands and they all do the same
@jeffreynye3019
@jeffreynye3019 5 күн бұрын
Lol. I didnt think there were sights on that thing. They really are a "plus".
@chadvoiles6557
@chadvoiles6557 5 күн бұрын
Great job brother
@alexalves3329
@alexalves3329 8 күн бұрын
awesome video,,thanks man,,ill be doing it around end of next month!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 8 күн бұрын
thanks for the feedback and hope it helps. thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime and good luck with your boat project
@dustindunphy
@dustindunphy 8 күн бұрын
This is great info. I have an 03 Av. It's been a great rig. Now my wife's 2010 yukon has a collapsed lifter on 7. I saw your other comments about a full delete. I guess we'll see where I end up. Thanks for your time making this!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 8 күн бұрын
thank you for the comment, its definitely a gamble trying just a lifter or all lifters. some get lucky and i didn't, its probably just a band aid for the most part , I have so many vehicles this one just been sitting around but i really plan to get on it soon as i took it for a ride down street other day and just to dang nice to let her sit around weather i keep and drive or sell but i want it right and doing full delete and even cam bearings so i can get her right this time , thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@davidgentz1731
@davidgentz1731 8 күн бұрын
😅 I was wondering about that I have a 383 that I got a couple lifters that are done over and over tighten some other stuff so I'm going to try that are I think that'll be good
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 8 күн бұрын
this will only work on these gen 4 LS engines with AFM. these are special lifters for those 4 cylinders so id imagine you would have a different problem with a 383 , and heads wont have to come off either. thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@BartBijvank
@BartBijvank 11 күн бұрын
Thanks for making this detailled video, learned a lot! All the best for your channel, keep on going Steve!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 11 күн бұрын
thank you very much and good luck with your project, not sure if you're a subscriber or not but thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@samjones1067
@samjones1067 11 күн бұрын
I own a 2009 Vision Tour and I love that bike. I wish Victory could come back under its own name, I love the brand.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 11 күн бұрын
ive been enjoying mine and hear.alot of people saying they wish they was still in business, thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime.
@basslinejunkies9976
@basslinejunkies9976 14 күн бұрын
nice
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 14 күн бұрын
Thanks, and thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@basslinejunkies9976
@basslinejunkies9976 14 күн бұрын
@@Vassmotorsports i will💪
@tonybologna139
@tonybologna139 16 күн бұрын
What kind of tent is that on the boat
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 16 күн бұрын
thats just a rain cover for my old tent and i figured out one night that it worked pretty good for this and was before i learned how to custom make boat interiors, seats, flooring and tops with full enclosures, but this definitely worked for this old boat and what i was doing with it lol , thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@joecarroll1735
@joecarroll1735 16 күн бұрын
Great job!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 16 күн бұрын
thank you for the feedback. just a can job but turned out decent and thats what he wanted , thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos, i did another one recently for myself heres that video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpywkqlpibZqn80si=Yhq5VnuZfCh0SmFA. and custom seat covers i made kzbin.info/www/bejne/haLcqYKcZ7eBp5osi=N1C7IUYUREpvOtHE. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4jPh3WMrrN_gdksi=zpSSOLyui8SexHpz
@rwksummit
@rwksummit 16 күн бұрын
😊
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 16 күн бұрын
thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime, did you see part 2 where its together? kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4PaYpR4Zdd8eJosi=ztbvhApK01L9Gdaw
@gregj4857
@gregj4857 19 күн бұрын
Poor coke on it. That will get rid of all the corrosion
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 19 күн бұрын
ive heard that but tap water is cheaper ,thanks for the feedback, and thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@reginahambrecht5297
@reginahambrecht5297 19 күн бұрын
Dog needs a lifejacket
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 19 күн бұрын
he can swim fine and loves jumping in after me , thanks for the feedback tho and thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime. jasper has a playlist with lots of his videos lol
@Crepit1
@Crepit1 20 күн бұрын
Squirt windex on it, and it will dissolve
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 19 күн бұрын
ive not heard that one yet but tap water is cheaper and works great hot , thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@brucetrotzuk7486
@brucetrotzuk7486 21 күн бұрын
Great video and commentary …. Thx for the tip on the ratchet weight for the steering wheel.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 21 күн бұрын
thank you for the feedback and thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@alessandrov-twin9755
@alessandrov-twin9755 24 күн бұрын
I was looking for a recent video about a guy purchasing a Victory recently, well now, lo and behold! I was looking for a second bike to baby my beloved Fatboy 110 SE even more, and even though my now Victory Judge was among several Harleys, she was the only sled I was staring at, when I found her in some dealership on the side of the road. Mine has the biggest motor created by Victory, the 106, but once you reach 100 C.I. or more, a v-twin motor is just a plain monster and a beast! love 'em! These bikes are loaded up with tons of torque, and to answer your question, "is buying a Victory in 2024 smart?" hell yeah man! Victorys are superior than those new "indians", so enjoy it! ride it hard and fast! and cheers man! 🍻🍻😎😎
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 24 күн бұрын
thank you i love my Victory too. , I love the custom look to someone who is not a hardcore bike person but love how its all factory that way , so far its been a good bike i just hope it holds up long term as everything for it is so expensive unlike a Harley where there are so many aftermarket parts and the bike only cost me 4k so I wouldn't want to spend much on any major repairs ,not to mention i do everything for myself and its hard to find alot of info on the Vics. also unlike a Harley where info and videos are plentiful , thanks so much for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime, heres one of both my bikes , this Victory and my 2000 Fatboy that i saved after Hurricane Ian had her flooded under water 5 days straight which i also have videos on all that and bringing her back to life like nothing ever happened if you want to check out my channel, and my friends Ness edition Vegas that i rode and made me want to try a Victory of my own and made me score mine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3KTqJl-gM9pZ8ksi=ZItuZtZyAebOhfhr. #2 Ness Vegas kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2OUgGuNqdF2pc0si=7teOPEWHn-wBVvzU
@fbanda20
@fbanda20 24 күн бұрын
Who rebuilt your controller please? I have the same thoughts on doing mine.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 24 күн бұрын
a guy on Ebay. just punch in ezgo txt controller and scan the list for the rebuild service. i believe his Ebay name was Desiel tech. thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime and good luck with your project
@Beretta96Dan
@Beretta96Dan 24 күн бұрын
Excellent job on the boat. I just bought a 1984 Ebbtide 179(17'9") with a 115 HP Mercury. I hope mine looks as nice as yours when I get through!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 24 күн бұрын
thank you so much and Thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime, maybe subscribe to the channel to help it grow. im always working on something and bringing things back to life saving from scrap, good luck with your project, its a alot of work but so satisfying when its done ,
@wookaflooka343
@wookaflooka343 25 күн бұрын
Still better than sigma
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 25 күн бұрын
what is sigma ?
@rickhoyt7398
@rickhoyt7398 25 күн бұрын
Great explanations. I learned a lot.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 25 күн бұрын
thank you. and glad if it helped
@rickhoyt7398
@rickhoyt7398 25 күн бұрын
Great job and attention to detail! I have a 2003 Bass Tracker but luckily my carpet is still real good. You made a great restoration!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 25 күн бұрын
thanks so much for that and the feedback, thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@JerielWilliam
@JerielWilliam 26 күн бұрын
Check the spring on the magazine
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 26 күн бұрын
thanks for the feedback, I tried a new Mag pol and it wouldn't shoot 2 in a row so i sent it right back ,was way worse than the factory mags, i talked to Taurus and they said they will fix for free so i need to send back. I always carry one of my Glocks and kinda forgot about this and another Taurus Millennium Pro. .45 that does the same way regardless of what brand ammo ive tried , thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@TommyPadgett-u5y
@TommyPadgett-u5y 26 күн бұрын
To much unnecessary verbage, all I need is replacement talk.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 26 күн бұрын
thanks
@stevereed8786
@stevereed8786 27 күн бұрын
I like this video. You even left in the sleeve mishap in which actually helps. Why did you choose not to drop the lower unit.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 27 күн бұрын
thank you for the feedback, no reason to drop the lower unless doing a new impeller and I know this one is good as ive only used the boat a handful of times since i did a new one 2 years ago , the bearing went bad because the boat was caught in Hurricane Ian and water inside the boat was high enough to reach the bearing for 5 days straight and I got her back on the water and trailered her to Destin florida and thats when it started roaring so i knew i had to replace, thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime, here is one when i found her after the storm and i have a playlist of videos work i had to do to her. , also have videos from before the storm. ive owned this particular boat 18 yrs now kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5KVdmZqhLuigtksi=_oYD8bLwKx-jWIOY
@cradlesafe5721
@cradlesafe5721 27 күн бұрын
No comparison to a victory...not even close.😊
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 27 күн бұрын
thanks again for the comments , I love both bikes and they both have down sides , ive owned my Harley 3 yrs before she got caught in Hurricane Ian and was under water 5 days straight and has 42k on her and she never gave me an issue till the flood and i put quite a few thousand miles on her , the Harley definitely rides a lot smoother and takes bumps so much better , my wife loves riding the Harley but only went on the Victory once and she said it doesn't ride as good and i knew first time i rode it she wouldn't like it after the Harley, I even tried to loosen the tension on the spring on rear shock as the guy before me was much larger and heavier so i figured he might have had it tight so wouldn't sag as bad but still kinda stiff when hitting bumps , thanks again for watching Vassmotorsports , I still have been riding the Victory more and love the paint job and kinda custom look to the general public that doesn't know bikes , but she sure doesn't have that Harley sound and cool factor
@cradlesafe5721
@cradlesafe5721 27 күн бұрын
Congrats victory brother! 8 gaskets to the entire engine! Harley i believe has 63? You idle at 55psi oil pressure. 75 running. Its a 200,000 mile motor. No pushrods. Superior design.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 27 күн бұрын
thanks for the feedback and I know some people believe that ,and dont get me wrong im loving it so far even tho some things i dont like about it as my Harley has me spoiled on the low end grunt and power that this bike just doesn't seem to have and im on a couple Victory groups on Facebook and for how few of any Victory bikes are actually on the road i sure see a lot of people having issues of all sorts and it kinda scares me and not sure how long or smart it is to keep it long term, at least with the Harley if something actually does go wrong i can get anything I want and parts are endless ,thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@cradlesafe5721
@cradlesafe5721 26 күн бұрын
​@@Vassmotorsportswell I've never had any issues with my hammer or vegas. Hammer is at 70,000 miles. Vegas is a 2011 with 7000 miles. 1st thing I did was open the exhaust. Now it's no baffles with the cats still installed. These scooters are way detuned from the factory. And I don't know what the previous owner did to your jackpot. However, that bike should have enormous torque right out of the gate. Not bad mouthing Harleys because I've owned them. Just saying what should be happening. Now that I'm 70 years old I'm seriously looking into a masterpiece of motorcycle machinery...Honda goldwing. Don't worry about parts. They'll be there for years to come. The only thing that I've ever seen wear out on victories were brake pads and tires. Lloyd's indian/victory dealer have some really hot stuff for victories. I mean cmon bro they're pulling 238/248 horse out of a 106. Victory builder has a screamer also. Cool truck your son came across. Good luck!
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 26 күн бұрын
@@cradlesafe5721 thanks again for reply. it does have a lot of torque if i nail it i guess i said wrong, if im just cruising around town and want to just lug or roll through the gears low rpm like i do the Harley it has a wierd sound and almost or makes me think its bad for the engine ,but my Harley can drive around barley over idle haha like itll lug along at any rpm any gear just cruising slow in town but the Victory i have to stay low in the gears and have rpm up to a certan point (no tack) or it sounds wierd the noise i hear , maybe im just not used to it cause my first Vic , but it definitely does have great torque if i roll on it hard , for a V-twin anyway. its far from a sport bike crotch rocket that ive grown up my whole life riding and im 49 now so last 6 or 8 years i started riding cruisers cause i dont ride like an idiot like i used to 🤣🤣
@billrutter7566
@billrutter7566 27 күн бұрын
What is the tramission code 4L60e ?
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 26 күн бұрын
yes its a 4L60e. but i wanted to make sure i got one from a H3 so i knew everything was the same just incase
@tayneallman
@tayneallman 28 күн бұрын
Hey I was just wondering where did you get the carpet for something like this? Trying to restore a boat right now too
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 25 күн бұрын
i got mine from local supplier called IDC in Lyman SC. its Malibu carpet and can most likely be bought from other retailers. i definitely recommend 20oz carpet not 16oz. thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@tayneallman
@tayneallman 28 күн бұрын
Hey I was just wondering where did you get the carpet for something like this? Trying to restore a boat right now too
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 25 күн бұрын
i got from my local distributor IDC in Lyman SC. its Malibu 20oz marine carpet , but I would imagine others carry it too , definitely dont bother with the 16oz. thanks again for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@tayneallman
@tayneallman 28 күн бұрын
Hey I was just wondering where did you get the carpet for something like this? Trying to restore a boat right now too
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 25 күн бұрын
Malibu marine carpet 20oz
@johncasor9698
@johncasor9698 28 күн бұрын
this is why i love a new out board engine,,, they are quieter and have a lot more power these new style engines unlike the old ones were very loud and slow, but no bellow boot to replace and they do have a large problem on charging up a battery, V 8 engines have a super charging system unlike the low charging system on a out board system so bring many extra battery if you are smart, Haha,,,
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 28 күн бұрын
yes outboard motors have came a long way for sure but im a poor man and cant afford the newer outboards especially something that would have 300+ HP. so ill just stick to my good old Mercruiser set ups. The outboard by itself costs more than my whole boat , any that i own haha. plus ive been working on small block chevy 350s since i was a teenager so i can work on these boats with my eyes closed thats another reason i love these so much lol. i couldn't think of having to have someone work on something for me and do everything for myself as i said im poor plus i dont trust anyone to do the work for me. you have to be really lucky to find a mechanic to trust ,thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@johncasor9698
@johncasor9698 28 күн бұрын
i learned a lot about how to replace the bearing, i had it done 3 years ago with the boot replacement, it cost $700... yep... labor $105 a hour in San Diego... Sunset marine in EL Cajon, Calif...
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 28 күн бұрын
thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching, that was actually not a bad deal especially being at a marina. .sounds like you came out good for having to pay someone to do it. most start at $1300 and up
@mikeknott7762
@mikeknott7762 28 күн бұрын
Very good
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 28 күн бұрын
thank you for the comment and thank you for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@780harold
@780harold 29 күн бұрын
Thanks for the help 🙂
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports 29 күн бұрын
im glad if it helped ypu and good luck with your, thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime
@offsimon
@offsimon Ай бұрын
It looks great.
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports Ай бұрын
thank you so much, and thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3KTqJl-gM9pZ8ksi=rsz8P0UqUA5hRjMC
@stevenmoore8943
@stevenmoore8943 Ай бұрын
Wolff engineering makes a better replacement part
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports Ай бұрын
thanks for the info, if I ever need one again ill look one up
@jeffmodjeski148
@jeffmodjeski148 Ай бұрын
Hello and thanks for your video. Can you tell me who you bought your kit from? Perhaps a part number?
@Vassmotorsports
@Vassmotorsports Ай бұрын
thank you and glad if it helped. I just go right on ebay and buy the cheapest kit i can find usually around $45 - $50 bucks and been using them on many boats over last 18 years including my Stingray that ive owned 18 years , and alot of them are for friends that have owned their boats for many years and only trust me to work on their boats. some will say only buy the $350 or 400 quicksilver or Mercruiser set , and i have 2 times in the past and see no real difference, ive gone 6 or seven years on these cheap kits ,and only changed then because that boat stays in the water all summer and didn't want to chance it and the other is one of my personal boats ,now for piece of mind few years ago i started picking up a good Quicksilver shift cable bellow ,( the small one) just because that is the weak link if any in the cheap kit as it gets stretched the most and thinest material, bearings always have done good for me until one of mine in the stingray got water in it from Hurricane Ian and to much water got inside the boat and was in for 5 days straight and up to bearing height. thanks for watching Vassmotorsports and hope ya check out some of my other videos sometime, can see some of my Stingray before and after the Hurricane