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@BernasLL Күн бұрын
On no, the brainworm is winning.
@hazzardalsohazzard2624 Күн бұрын
The last guy sounded like the potion seller.
@Gallachad 6 күн бұрын
So real
@BorninPurple 20 күн бұрын
Inspiration: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWHZeoCPhbGdgpYsi=FpCQGR53c5pX90Da
@jcee2259 29 күн бұрын
It was cold steel that lacked liberty to do anything. Be careful for what is wished..
@JaebongBak Ай бұрын
you had my like and sub in the first 5 seconds.
@bassammzaiel1630 Ай бұрын
So did Arabs keep producing weapons and armor during the Ottoman Empire, or did that end with the mamluks?
@IchorSanies Ай бұрын
Holy fuck bro thinks boxing is gonna become niche
@IchorSanies Ай бұрын
Bro George was not gone fore 20 years tf?
@treeeeeeeez 24 күн бұрын
Its kinda funny saying things like that, and that Marciano has 30 wins, also at 13:25 comparing heavyweight fights compared to lighter weight classes, they aren’t the same thing of course the fighters at a lighter weight are faster. Better to compare to the fights of the Four Kings era.
@Jeromewhite123 Ай бұрын
It's a mindset. No one wants CTE.
@AdaptiveApeHybrid Ай бұрын
This was very interesting, ty for the upload
@hippo4214 Ай бұрын
btw i thought pad work came from rocky marciano's coach, thats what i read on wiki he used to use foam and tape it to his hands thus making the first pads, but there is no footage of rocky hitting pads so its probs fake news now that i think about it.
@hippo4214 Ай бұрын
the best boxer who were old school in modern boxing, was james toney, he was crazy good, and learned all his moves from the 1950s fighters such as the great ezzard charles and archie moore
@hippo4214 Ай бұрын
it does suck, the giant ass gloves i think made the sport more generic, i miss the 1950s when the cross guard was all the range and the 6oz gloves are more realisic then using giant pillow gloves as shields. now almost all fighters realy high guards, 15 rounds were better, there was more variety in styles back then as well. phily shill, guys with low hands like gene tunney,
@fathor9047 Ай бұрын
I think you can say this about other sports as well. In the past, there was a difference between European and South American football, a different style. Today, they all play the same way.
@hummerstattoo9769 Ай бұрын
The old greats would get hur if they was fighting todays boxers,because boxers now are more technical
@tqwrd Ай бұрын
Yeah but the greats throw more punches and where more resistant..
@hippo4214 Ай бұрын
put the new school guys in 15 round fights with 6oz gloves and i bet they all gass out then get smashed in the later rounds
@موسى_7 Ай бұрын
Amud is basically the Arab version of a Japanese kanabo. I want to see a real one. Are they in museums? Can't find images online.
@موسى_7 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, we Arabs seem to care little about our medieval martial history, because I can't find an image of an عمود (pole) weapon, and I only barely found a دبوس mace in Google.
@AdVd-us9cr Ай бұрын
What a waste of good men
@AdVd-us9cr Ай бұрын
The bef where al sharp shooters
@AdVd-us9cr Ай бұрын
A great army but in december 1914 nearly all of them were dead
@LionClanChief Ай бұрын
2:04 That armor is based on Bagirmi armor. the Bagirmi state and people are in central Africa not modern Sudan, the image I believe is based on an illustration from the early 1800s, so this definitely wouldn’t represent Malinke horsemen. 12:50 - 13:40 Quilted armor was used in West Africa too before the more recent era. It’s said the Sarki (king) Kanajeji of Kano introduced metal helmets, chainmail and quilted armor known as Bantan Lifidi to Hausalands after being defeated by Umbatu. Horses had chanfron plates on their heads. This armor style probably through Bornu who likely got it from further east. I think it’s mentioned in the Kano Chronicle. This king goes back to the late 14th and early 15th century. I don’t know how accurate this is mind you but, this is what I’ve read. If this has been disproven please show me. 21:30 - 22:45 Yes the quilted armor represented here we do not know if Malinke had or not. It seems unlikely they did. There is no evidence for this exact type of armor being used by the Malinke. The first mention of Bantan Lifidi type of armor in sources for the Western Sahel is in the Tarikh-as-Sudan, and it is riders from Kebbi (Hausa city state) who are wearing it, and the Songhai riders do not. So exactly what they used we do not know. Metal armours are not mentioned anywhere for Mali (although it is very probable that the elite could access to imported chain mail shirts), although metal helmets are possible since they appear later in Songhai sources. The Djenne terracotta riders appear to have helmets, but it can't be known if they depict metal or leather and this could have been a headdress for all we know. There is mentions of cotton armour for the Wolof (not the quilted armour) a source states: "They have long strips of cotton, that they roll and wear from the groin to the chest very compressed, and armed in this manner no arrows or assegais can go through". But, this is for the Wolof we do not know if the Malinke used it too or, how far back this goes. 26:45 I believe the armor they’re referring to is the Bornu and Hausa armor known as Dan Gaba in Hausa and Halendo Katede in Bornu, as you’re saying there is no evidence of the Malinke using this in the 12th century or any kind of plate body armor. 26:55 - 27:40 The Edo I don’t believe had plate armor either their armor was made of tough Pangolin Hide armor to capture leopards, elephant skin breastplates which incorporated iron. There is also mention hippopotamus hide being used too as well as crocodile skin armour. Mind you, the helmets were made of the same material as well as padded basketwork and potentially brass. So they didn’t have metal plate armor exactly either. 31:22 that warrior is more so a Fulani warrior that armor as it is existed but, it isn’t Malinke. The sword shown there is a Guduf sword, that’s North Eastern Nigerian. The Malinke like other Mande would have used the Mande short swords and likely the curved blades but, again we can’t be certain how far back certain styles go. 36:16 I’ve heard Malinke shields would have been basket like and or leather. Got to take the Djenne terracotta art with a grain of salt the Malinke Empire did not dominate this region I believe. it’s possible they had their own unique traditions so the art may not represent the Malinke warriors accurately either. 44:40 Zulus are in Southern Africa not central.
@TableKnightsEntertainment 2 ай бұрын
The hema content I live for
@adelmolla4216 2 ай бұрын
When are you going to do a livestream again?
@BorninPurple 2 ай бұрын
AMO Pankration's channel: www.youtube.com/@AMOPankration
@iivin4233 2 ай бұрын
19:50 There is an article from Texas A/M about this. It is one of the most repulsive articles I have ever read, because it is entirely about how modern soldiers have been made to kill. If that article is right, then you are right. Soldiers can be trained to kill by training their reactions. They default to their reactions. However, the article's point is that soldiers develop a huge amount of psychological problems after this process because they did kill so easily, but they never learned a reason why they should be killing. The article thought we had a moral obligation to give soldiers that reason... But more to your point, people can learn to kill easily. It is not as easy to make them feel good about it, though. My OP ed o do that, takes either desensitization, dehumanization of the enemy or sociopathy inherent in the individual soldier to make it easy to kill. I'm sure religion can do the job, too. The A/M article proposes that we teach soldiers just how moral it is for them to be following their country's orders and defending themselves by killing their enemy. No word on the morality of defending oneself from bullets fired at you by someone whose land you stepped onto. Maybe that A/M writer will get back to us on that.
@BorninPurple 2 ай бұрын
The only thing I can say to this is the type of PTSD sufferred by modern soldiers are also evident in historical sources where people write their own accounts (when it's not embellished with artistic licensing). The average person who had seen war back then would very much be able to relate to the soldiers who have gone through war today.
@vorynrosethorn903 2 ай бұрын
It is the mechanization of humans, which I suppose is appropriate for the type of managerial and materialist order has been imposed on society. "We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise".
@BernasLL 2 ай бұрын
The moral obligation to give soldiers a reason to kill is of particular consequence and responsibility. If you f up on when recruitment demands strain training, you end up with a lot of men with the tools to rationalize taking that killing home, to personal, or more likely, political enemies. Of note, I'd say the portuguese 25 of April revolution is a case study of this. Portuguese soldiers had been troublesome during the first 35 years of the XIX century (even dueling a prime minister, leading several revolts and coups, counter-revolutions and even massacres. Not to mention the whole bloody portuguese XIXth century, kickstarted by Napoleon but continued on by liberals and conservatives). By 1960s, the regime had turned slowly from fascism in demands of international geopolitics, and so it was teaching its soldiers the latest regime propaganda, that all humans were of importance to the nation, and all "races" had a place in the "empire". Of course we see racist abuses, on both sides of the colonial war (and I don't mean to downplay this), but my point was, by the 25th April 1975, the soldiers had learned that killing fellow men was a terciary tool, politically and ethically, with those such as Spinola and Deslandes leading both as military leaders and through social political reform, teaching otherwise unpoliticized soldiers a primary role outside of killing and martial defense, putting them to work as school educators, builders, and as police forbidding them of abuse of power, encouraging dialogue and other conflict solving. (I'm using Luís Nuno Rodrigues work on the period for this perspective) So, the middle ranks lead over a mostly bloodless revolutionary process and transition to democracy (despite a troublesome hand off of the colonies to new dictatorships and internal civil wars, to international applause). Of note, when political tensions rose and some sectors of the military political establishment are radicalized into seeing each others as enemies, even then they hesitated turning to arms long enough for politics to sort themselves out. I think that has to be merited to the new modern rationality behind killing that was specifically given by the latter Estado Novo; the republican stock of 40 years before would have lead over a very bloody affair very quickly.
@vorynrosethorn903 2 ай бұрын
I mean they'd probably not be terribly impressed by the overall level of physical fitness and skill, but for them it was a way of life, and it would probably just seem mid level given they fact that everyone is well fed even if some are too much. They would probably be fairly impressed by the academic side of things and the equipment, their criticisms would probably be directed at low budget sharps for handling wrong, and the luxurious use of premium steel in making them that way. They came out of very different cultural and religious norms and to be frank I don't think they would care very much about HEMA even after being aclimatised, rather they would be very critical of our lack of virtue, our insulting of the hierarchical structure of reality and our godforsakenness, we'd probably be compared to the followers of Baal or assumed to be deep in the thrall of the anti-Christ. As such they might feel rather disinterested in the quality of our swordsmanship training.
@iivin4233 2 ай бұрын
All good points, but I think the professionals would immediately try to grapple with modern military technologies. That is what many of them did historically. Of course, their reactions would run the gamut. I wouldn't be surprised if modern discoveries and culture broke the faith (if they ever really had it) of some. That's what happens today, and they were just humans. There would be so many modern facts to reckon with that their worldview couldn't explain. How could a culture like ours produce (seemingly) so much food? What does it mean that our apparent villainy produces so many unarguably positive results? I think any peasants that traveled forward with their lords would convert much faster than their masters. The value propositon for them is just so much greater.
@BorninPurple 2 ай бұрын
You're missing a point which is that, organisation and training wise, if push came to shove, soldiers today would be able to train extensively with close combat weapons, with greater facilities. It would really be a matter of getting experience "on the field." Most knights, bughers, professional soldiers etc, would gawk at the amount of time and training that could be done to make soldiers effective in things like weapon use, formation fighting, cavalry maneuvers etc. Ultimately, the type of fighting that was done was not that complicated once you get the paedegogy and repertoire of moves. We tend to think that these treatises are a mystery but they're not, we tend to overthink it in a lot of cases. Ultimately, we would economically have far more time and energy to train soldiers with weapons. The Eastern Romans had standardised training and did far better in a lot of cases, so there's no reason to believe we would not (and they had far less than us).
@vorynrosethorn903 2 ай бұрын
I'm fairly sure that wouldn't happen, they were stepped in the theology of Christianity down to their very core, most aspects of their thinking were shaped by it on an intrinsic level and they would probably fairly easily separate technological progress from the morality of the society as they wouldn't link material progress to virtue in the first place, possibly the opposite depending on how curmudgeonly they were. Peasants would be more likely to be cowed but they would probably have a much harder time of things, the separation for their community would be traumatizing and they would probably think they had been summoned to hell, I'm not sure that could be clarified given that our society would seem hellish to someone utterly stepped in an ethos of community, faith, superstition, tradition and hard work, democracy would seem mad and they would be panicked by the fact the Saracens had got past the border of Hungary. It would end up like the American from the reservation in a brave new world. A priest would probably adjust relatively quickly as they were well educated, expect them to seclude themselves in a monastery and write rebuttals to Catholic theological innovations in Latin. A Knight would probably start a mass casualty event if he was handled improperly, if he knew that you weren't under the code of conduct due things would quickly go south considering that he was bond by oath to perpetual war with the infidel. While higher nobles who were also knights performed a political role knights themselves were warriors so it would not be far off from summoning Mongols or Vikings and then showing them weakness, a knight would be a bit less volatile, but if you told him the wrong thing he might well be more. A noble would be fascinated by everything but would probably completely detest it. Medieval people operated within a very specific worldview but as it was theologically based it would not be easy to disentangle, people with that mindset existed much later among royalist groups and someone like General Wrangel of the White Russian Army would probably have been able to have a completely normal conversation with them until they worked out he was Orthodox. Even today among groups like the Cossacks a view of monarchy, hierarchy and patriarchy as sacred reflections of God's divine influence on the natural order is current, on top of an extreme fatalism about the failure of their ancestors to die in place of the martyr Tsar (and guilt over conceding to the soviets in hope of survival, I was reading a novel about the survival of a mainbranch romanov building a corporation in Japan and thinking in reality they would be drowned under a tide of fanatical Russians of this type hoping to enthrone them, and these people are probably on the level of the kamikaze, if not more, it's not quite a death cult, but they just need the purpose and they'd practically dance into what they see as the only atonement which can make up for the sins of the past and of Russia as they would put it), it's what makes such groups interesting, they have attitudes which in one sense would be self-explanatory to people 1000 year ago, and in another are an echo of traditional perspectives that go back 4000 years or more.
@vorynrosethorn903 2 ай бұрын
@@BorninPurple From what I've seen that would only be true to a certain extent, they would not be impressed by our level of competence with formations or drill at all, cavalry re-enactment would probably be painful for them to watch especially.
@bassammzaiel1630 2 ай бұрын
How large exactly were the tabarzins the abbasids used compared to Dane axes? All tabars I’ve seen besides a few ceremonial ones seem to be intended for one handed use
@BorninPurple 2 ай бұрын
Based on what we have, it's implied one handed however some tabarzins are long enough to be two handed. All the tabarzins you've seen aren't ceremonial. They're heavily embellished but were used on the battlefield.
@bassammzaiel1630 2 ай бұрын
@ Thank you for responding, I haven’t heard of 2 handed axes being used on the battlefield back then until now and it’s pretty interesting to hear about. A dane axe could get pretty large at around 150cm long. Did the Tabarzins ever get to be so large?
@BorninPurple 2 ай бұрын
@@bassammzaiel1630 Some depictions of tabarzins are two-handed, some surviving ones look like they can be used one or two-handed. Unfortunately, we don't have the measurements for them so I wouldn't be able to say.
@موسى_7 2 ай бұрын
Why was military swordfighting simpler than duel swordfighting? Is it because armour renders fancy technique obsolete?
@BorninPurple 2 ай бұрын
Military swordfighting is far more utilitarian in nature, and requires less specialisation in order to be effective. You're only ever going to use those techniques in war, or in situations of negative-sum violence.
@ilikepotatoes1345 2 ай бұрын
3:30 So kite shields would've already been in some form of use in West Europe in late 10th century, correct?
@BorninPurple 2 ай бұрын
Yes
@JCOwens-zq6fd 3 ай бұрын
True. The whole thing is further complicated by the fact that the ancients didn't care as much about naming & classifying every single thing like we do. Nor do we know what their languages even sounded like in mamy cases. Much less what they called specific things etc. It can be rather mysterious but this is also part of what draws some of us to the study of arms to begin with.
@raswerdelad 3 ай бұрын
Sword world is littered with this kind of stuff, apparently. I’m ignorant of all languages but my own so… Appreciate you and your studies!
@theghosthero6173 3 ай бұрын
Very great point raised once again
@michaldudas7174 3 ай бұрын
This is a great lecture sir, thank you! I saved it and I'll watch it again, making notes and looking ito some encyclopedia to have more from it. It would be so much easier to understand and learn from it if you made something like a presentation or showed pictures, wrote transliterations of words you use, just you standing in front of a blackboard writing on it would help - I understand that it's your work you'd have to do it for free for us the public to appreciate, so I'm not saying you should or have to do something like that, I'll happily listen to your other videos just pausing them and thinking "oh, what word he just used, how it should be written, oh, he is now talking about that type of weapon, I'll look it up" but I'd be grateful for any help from you that would make the lecture more illustrative! :)
@WorthlessWinner 3 ай бұрын
It only takes one person to ruin a club for everyone. This sounds similar to what happened at my college's board and card game club in 2010.
@RiverofGrassFencing 3 ай бұрын
This is the same issue HEMA has hit a wall with. When the language isn’t the host language of the student or researcher this happens. Because of second hand study. Someone translates a German work for example to English. Each guard name has an English equivalent, as do the actions, but those who have not studied the material themselves and have learn from someone else’s work will use the German, as they have created site word associations. The same is true here.
@elshebactm6769 3 ай бұрын
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@BernasLL 3 ай бұрын
You're right on Orientalism, and I'd point out it has roots actually even quite a few years before the medieval age. In "Racisms", Francisco Bettencourt says quite a few stereotypes are found even in the roman era.
@elshebactm6769 3 ай бұрын
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@isamartell 3 ай бұрын
While I generally agree with what you are saying about Razmafzar, and have come to the conclusion that his interpretation of how to fight is incorrect, I will say that you are wrong in saying that he goes from Sassanid to Safavid. If you read his books, particularly his Lexicon, the documentation goes through the various stages of the language, which comes from the various time periods. The reason why, in my opinion, the research sucks is because it has been headed by Europeans who mainly apply European concepts to Middle Eastern weapons, instead of going from the culture of the region and building from there. Like you mentioned about Polish. Also, I think the issue is that Muslims aren’t doing the work. While it’s not necessary to be Muslim and there obviously others in the region, Muslims will understand the culture more. I think the thing is that we need the base things off cultural training such as Pahlavani, so I went out and found a pahlavan to train me and now I see how these movements directly relate to weapon movements.
@موسى_7 Ай бұрын
Muslims seem to lack interest in the military aspects of their history. Like I can't find any images of medieval Abbasid weapons in English or in Arabic.
@adrianjagmag 3 ай бұрын
If only there were people alive who have Indo-Persian and Middle Eastern weapon use in their martial lineages...oh well, guess we'll never know 😉 Speaking of Razmafzar, it is really baffling how people who are willing to practice Kyokushin Karate and give it so much importance won't unbiasedly look at the Indo-Persian world as a whole and instead seem to think 'Persia' (aka moden day Iran) was the centre of the world be it martial arts, metallurgy, culture, thereby completely failing to take into account how interconnected the ancient world actually was, and how arts evolved as they spread and even in some cases expanded. A good example is Gurz, Shishpar and Gada. All maces, but there's much more variation seen on the Indian subcontinent as you see Persian maces, Indian maces and then hybrids both in form and use. The same term can be used to describe a very different weapon based on geogrpahy and martial tradition.
@snakesnake6799 3 ай бұрын
alfrusiaa and almurrwa are Arabic culture for more than 3000 years with some evidence it existed for longer , also Arabic sword fighting is more of using the sword as a mac even the Arabic sword reflect that by having Stright edge with a rounded tip and weighted toward the front .. mameluke training came from the Abbasside and its similar to the way Arab raised their children during and before the ummayed .. and the sword was something the Arab were extremely proud of it and will not mix its tactic with others, but Havey Caverly and archery were Turk and Persian tactics.
@adrianjagmag 3 ай бұрын
Not even Khadga and Patissa are used as maces, forget Saif. I would instead posit that people were getting more refined swordsmanship training separately as opposed to combatives overall taught to massed warriors. Curved cavary sword use spread from/with the Steppe Cultures of Central Asia, so it wasn't purely Arab to begin with. Shamshir are Persian in origin. Are you telling me Middle Eastern sword use developed in isolation without any contact with other styles of use? As to the 3000 year old claim, laughable. Everything evolves.
@adelmolla4216 3 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this video. It has been educational and it has provided the necessary context. Thank you very much BornInPurple!
@Tsurukiri 3 ай бұрын
Interesting choice of the strikes you have there. To me, it's just starting from the right shoulder, diagonal downward, then from the lower left, diagonal upward ending to the lower right. From there, diagonal upward ending to the left shoulder. From there, diagonal downward ending to lower right, and then lift the sword on top of the head and cut diagonal downward round strike to your right, ending on the right shoulder. It is possible to repeat the sequence from there. This style of cutting is simple, but can be found for example in Filipino sword styles, utilizing big sweeping cuts. Works very well in sparring with a shield, even a big one!
@TheOfficialSaracen 3 ай бұрын
Hey Thats me! I really appreciate you reviewing my stuff and all of your insights and tips and tricks, and about where I learned cutting while stepping was from the Sienewski school of Polish saber
@isamartell 3 ай бұрын
If you would’ve watched those matches from Icebreaker, I let them play out in real time, then did the breakdown.